So.. Starfield...

[steelpanther24]

3 hours ago, bjornk said:

 

Negative reviews = review bombing

10/10 fake reviews = Just a balancing act

 

Self negating, dumbass logic.

 

I don't think you can reason or even discuss with someone who makes such statements (wrt to shills) "No such thing, people like games or they don't."  I think you are being trolled because I doubt anyone could be that oblivious to their logic flaws.

[sila]

Well, in brighter news... Bethesda released a news update for starfield that states they expect mods to be officially supported on all platforms early next year.

 

Glad we won't have to wait too long for the creation kit.

https://steamcommunity.com/ogg/1716740/announcements/detail/3687940304703443231?snr=2_9_100003_

Edited September 13, 2023 by sila

[bjornk]

36 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said:

I think you are being trolled because I doubt anyone could be that oblivious to their logic flaws.

I truly wish that was the case.

[Guest]

I feel vindicated when I read posts about Starfield. 

This game have the worst graphics I ever saw in a Bethesda game. 

If we consider the technology available at the time of release, Daggerfall had better graphics than Starfield. 

 

The woke content is a minor nuisance. From what I read is just a option during character creation, so no big deal. 

But the graphics, the models, the fucking filter. It is disgusting just to look at it. 

And I read they spent 10 years and 200 million dollars developing this garbage. 

I also read it came with a plethora of bugs, so many that is unacceptable for a AAA studio. 

 

But hey, keep posting about how great it is. If you are a religious person, you need a religious icon, so embrace it. 

[emes]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

I feel vindicated when I read posts about Starfield. 

This game have the worst graphics I ever saw in a Bethesda game.

 

I think Oblivion was the only time I was somewhat impressed...but I didn't have a machine that could even play it smoothly upon release.

 

I hated the look of Morrowind (low poly and ugly to me, as I loved the aesthetics of Daggerfall's 2D artwork), and the first time I installed Skyrim (I waited for the full LE bundle), I was taken aback at how inferior it looked to my modded Oblivion build. The game didn't really feel tolerable until I did the STEP build.

 

I'm assuming the same will be the case for Starfield: Bethesda just doesn't do very impressive games on their own, but they're great platforms for player-made content. Hopefully, in half a decade or so, we'll have something much nicer to look at, with better gameplay than the default.

 

It would certainly be nice if they'd actually make games that were great upon release...but that's not what I play their games for. ?

[FauxFurry]

6 hours ago, bjornk said:

 

Neither are shill reviews.

I have to wonder why people continue to forget that critics are not only fallible, they are often for sale. Rotten Tomatoes was revealed as having been compromised recently but that is far from the first time. FilmThreat used to have a recurring feature on the latest critical corruption before placing much of their focus on their Youtube presence.

It is for the best to just go through a smattering of commentary to take in a variety of differing viewpoints before giving a piece of media a chance or not rather than taking any opinion piece as gospel. If video games are to be seen as art, perhaps people need to accept that, in the end, art is subjective.

 

[robert_d_negro]

can you feel the difference ?

 

it does not feel like they diluted the npcs with less lines per head but at the same time they make the dialouge more forgettable... or lets say... if i need fast travel from one dialogue to another i care less about it... in retrospect this was such a misguiding pr move i almost want to apploud them for doing that

 

 

[Guest]

I think this game could used a bit more adult stuff in the setting honestly.

 

I kinda miss from it, but I guess modding will solve it eventually

[Wandering_Mania]

2 hours ago, robert_d_negro said:

it does not feel like they diluted the npcs with less lines per head but at the same time they make the dialouge more forgettable...

Personally I think there's too much talking in SF, and all to say something that could have been said in one sentence. And sometimes it's at the stupidest places.

Like in the Vanguard questline:

Again heavy spoilers don't click if you don't wanna know.

Spoiler

In the middle of a Terramorph attack the only survivor, some researcher, gabs your ear off about: Turning on the turret systems, and how something like that has never happened in a smaller settlement, and blah blah blah blah....

 

There is an active, and very dangerous enemy out there, and she's wasting time yakking your ear off...

 

I'll take 'Things that would never happen in the real world' for $500 Alex.

Then you got the companions that incessantly bother you about 'I need to talk to you about something' in the middle of hostile locations. I mean have they never heard the phrase of:

"Every time you open your mouth you give away our position." ~ Reaper ~ played by Karl Urban ~ 'Doom(2005)'

 

1 hour ago, Resdayn said:

I think this game could used a bit more adult stuff in the setting honestly.

Agreed. Especially knowing NASA's 'history' of how 'close' many of the crews are. But again, look who we are dealing with; Bethesda, the maker of 'PG-13' versions of 'M' rated games. I mean they barely have any cursing, zero nudity, and a minimal amount of 'blood and gore'. Granted FO had a lot around the raider and Super Mutant bases; But this ain't FO, and it's still rated 'M' for some reason unknown to any logic.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Agreed. Especially knowing NASA's 'history' of how 'close' many of the crews are. But again, look who we are dealing with; Bethesda, the maker of 'PG-13' versions of 'M' rated games. I mean they barely have any cursing, zero nudity, and a minimal amount of 'blood and gore'. Granted FO had a lot around the raider and Super Mutant bases; But this ain't FO, and it's still rated 'M' for some reason unknown to any logic.

 

I find the how to say brothels and sex stuff especially around Neon a bit very lacking, considering place should crawling from it.

 

 

[Travestea]

I definitely have my complaints with the game, but reading some of the reviews (and some of the views of folks in here), I feel like I'm not even playing the same game as them.

[Miauzi]

Vor einer Stunde sagte Travestea:

Ich habe definitiv meine Beschwerden über das Spiel, aber wenn ich einige Rezensionen lese (und einige der Ansichten der Leute hier), habe ich das Gefühl, dass ich nicht einmal das gleiche Spiel spiele wie sie.

 

You play a game called "StarField" and I, for example, also play a game with the same name ... only because it is about something INTERACTIVE - the own views, knowledge of the respective player are an essential part ... that's why ALL players play their -> own game.

[nIn nIn nIn]

46.5 hours of gameplay in a week and a day = this game is better than some of you care to admit.

 

I play at 4k resolution on high settings. The game looks great. Can it be prettier? Sure. Will mods make it prettier? Absolutely. Will prettier improve the game experience? The jury is out on that - we will need to see some massive performance improvements first.

 

Despite the obvious performance issues on near high end hardware, this game is a shit load of fun to play. If it's not for you, please just kindly fuck off and leave us to enjoy the game.

[BAB PEEG]

5 minutes ago, nIn nIn nIn said:

46.5 hours of gameplay in a week and a day = this game is better than some of you care to admit.

 

I play at 4k resolution on high settings. The game looks great. Can it be prettier? Sure. Will mods make it prettier? Absolutely. Will prettier improve the game experience? The jury is out on that - we will need to see some massive performance improvements first.

 

Despite the obvious performance issues on near high end hardware, this game is a shit load of fun to play. If it's not for you, please just kindly fuck off and leave us to enjoy the game.

 

[Wandering_Mania]

8 hours ago, nIn nIn nIn said:

46.5 hours of gameplay in a week and a day = this game is better than some of you care to admit.

100 hours in, with 2 different characters, one of them finished the main story, the second still working on it; And yeah, it's not a 'bad' game, but it still ain't all that great either.

I mean, it's a mediocre game from a studio that refuses to ditch it's 20+ year old 'Franken-engine', and has a bad case of the 'It's good enough' syndrome.

 

8 hours ago, nIn nIn nIn said:

Despite the obvious performance issues on near high end hardware, this game is a shit load of fun to play.

Once you know what your doing, that is true. But there is a problem with the 'first time playing' learning curve, as the game tells you next to nothing; And don't even give you maps of where there are 'known/active settlements/stations'. Which would be a lot more useful, and helpful.

 

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

I find the how to say brothels and sex stuff especially around Neon a bit very lacking, considering place should crawling from it.

Well, that's the 'PG-13' nature of BGS. Anything that could possibly cause 'American outrage' is intentionally left out; And for some reason most Americans are overly sensitive over anything sexual. I mean Mass Effect 1 when it first released had a hit piece done on it by FOX News, simply because Liara T'Sony could be romanced by a FemShep. Even though it showed nothing, and the Asari are an all 'Female looking' species. I'm actually more surprised that 2077 didn't get the same treatment because of a Fem V and Judy, and that scene actually had nudity.

 

But BGS has always played it safe ever since the 'Daggerfall incident' where people found out that there was 'atomically correct' skins under the rags of some races. As they have never done anything to 'upset the balance', but are now falling behind the times.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Well, that's the 'PG-13' nature of BGS. Anything that could possibly cause 'American outrage' is intentionally left out; And for some reason most Americans are overly sensitive over anything sexual. I mean Mass Effect 1 when it first released had a hit piece done on it by FOX News, simply because Liara T'Sony could be romanced by a FemShep. Even though it showed nothing, and the Asari are an all 'Female looking' species. I'm actually more surprised that 2077 didn't get the same treatment because of a Fem V and Judy, and that scene actually had nudity.

 

But BGS has always played it safe ever since the 'Daggerfall incident' where people found out that there was 'atomically correct' skins under the rags of some races. As they have never done anything to 'upset the balance', but are now falling behind the times.

 

I understand the thought behind the choice, in my perspective it's rather baffling, but I'm not american ?

 

Bethesda always felt a bit targeting more the younger side of the audience ?‍?

 

I just feel the absence of adult topics hurts the game's world building ?

 

I do like Neon, it has a vibe, but for a "pleasure" city, it lacks quite a lot of the pleasure ? I mean drugs are one thing, but nothing really stops those be a bigger role in other cities, maybe not in the UC cities, but you get it.

 

I think Mass Effect 1 was around 2007? Perhaps? I think it was partially on the gay romance as well, since same-sex romance in rpg games were rather far and between or non-existant, we had like a confession in Kotor 1 maybe before . I think from 2009-ish they become more standard in rpg games.

 

But again, I don't really watch Fox News or read them ?, so I maybe incorrect

 

Nowadays that aspect is pretty common in rpg-s, so not much outrage farm for the media, tho I think having a bit adult vibe in Starfield wouldn't do much, when BG3 took the lead on it and we had cyberpunk before. ?

 

Outside the lack of adult vibes, I'm having quite a fun with this one, maybe even more than previous releases of bethesda at vanilla, but I guess I enjoy the scifi-rpg ?

Edited September 14, 2023 by Resdayn

[Wandering_Mania]

25 minutes ago, Resdayn said:

I think Mass Effect 1 was around 2007? Perhaps? I think it was partially on the gay romance as well, since same-sex romance in rpg games were rather far and between or non-existant, we had like a confession in Kotor 1 maybe before . I think from 2009-ish they become more standard in rpg games.

True, it seems odd to say as it wasn't really all that long ago, but those where different times; And gaming was still in it's infancy of garnering 'mainstream appeal'.

 

27 minutes ago, Resdayn said:

But again, I don't really watch Fox News or read them ?, so I maybe incorrect

Nether do I, hell I outright hate them, and even usually call them 'Faux News' (pronounced the same way as normal).

 

31 minutes ago, Resdayn said:

I do like Neon, it has a vibe, but for a "pleasure" city, it lacks quite a lot of the pleasure ? I mean drugs are one thing, but nothing really stops those be a bigger role in other cities, maybe not in the UC cities, but you get it.

Yeah, that's BGS falling behind the times, and 'playing it safe' even at the cost of upsetting their 'core audience'. But I'll bet once the SFCK (that just looks wrong somehow) releases, someone will make an entire 'Pleasure Planet' with all the 'Sodom and Gomorrah' style of 'fun'.

 

39 minutes ago, Resdayn said:

Outside the lack of adult vibes, I'm having quite a fun with this one, maybe even more than previous releases of bethesda at vanilla, but I guess I enjoy the scifi-rpg ?

Yeah, I will admit that it's somewhat better than past titles that outright contradict their own lore... I'm looking at you Skyrim! But it still isn't anything close to the 'Messiah of Space games' that it was hyped up to be.

[prinyo]

19 hours ago, sila said:

Well, in brighter news... Bethesda released a news update for starfield that states they expect mods to be officially supported on all platforms early next year.

 

Glad we won't have to wait too long for the creation kit.

https://steamcommunity.com/ogg/1716740/announcements/detail/3687940304703443231?snr=2_9_100003_

I didn't see anything about the CK In that message. Only about the payed mods coming in a few months. Did I miss something?

[Travestea]

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

But BGS has always played it safe ever since the 'Daggerfall incident' where people found out that there was 'atomically correct' skins under the rags of some races. As they have never done anything to 'upset the balance', but are now falling behind the times.

 

Don't forget the Oblivion incident that required them to bump the rating up to M (all because of an unused file). But yea, they're oddly afraid to grow up when there's a game that came out to wide acclaim last month that has bestiality and anatomically correct models and customization. "We make M rated games, but there's no sex, nudity, and only light swearing" about sums it up.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

True, it seems odd to say as it wasn't really all that long ago, but those where different times; And gaming was still in it's infancy of garnering 'mainstream appeal'.

 

Aye, things change.

 

24 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

 

Yeah, that's BGS falling behind the times, and 'playing it safe' even at the cost of upsetting their 'core audience'. But I'll bet once the SFCK (that just looks wrong somehow) releases, someone will make an entire 'Pleasure Planet' with all the 'Sodom and Gomorrah' style of 'fun'.

 

 

There is a hoping, I hope the future dlc-s expands the Settled Systems, cause I would explore more of the society of House Varuun, main quest was ok, but

Spoiler

I dont really care on the multiversal stuff, more interested in the society, politics and exploration, than play DR Strange and grind.

 

As for Neon, future should be bright, maybe we can make it match night city in sins ?

 

25 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Yeah, I will admit that it's somewhat better than past titles that outright contradict their own lore... I'm looking at you Skyrim! But it still isn't anything close to the 'Messiah of Space games' that it was hyped up to be.

 

It has flaws, but I think it lot less barebone than fallout 4 was, we often forgot how was skyrim when it was vanilla ?

 

I didn't had any high expectations, I expected a bethesda game in a space setting, feels like that, works fine.

 

Modding can rough some edges.

[steelpanther24]

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

True, it seems odd to say as it wasn't really all that long ago, but those where different times; And gaming was still in it's infancy of garnering 'mainstream appeal'.

 

I told a friend in 1998 that AOL will be the death of the internet, or at least the great internet.    Basically, when the normies get involved in anything, they make it bland since if it is too "spicy" then uh oh...someone might get hurt.    That said, one of the controversial  issues with SF isn't that it has modern political correctness in it, but that Nexus removed mods that allowed players to define their SF world.  

 

That, from a game modder perspective, is a grave sin.   If you don't like a mod......don't download it.    If you (the LL community in general, not you specifically) love SF and don't want to read criticism, then....don't.    Regardless of the politics behind such a move, the restriction or the forced blandness of a game (due to the fear that someone, either a person wrapped in a flag of the country of your choice, or someone with hair colored the pastel of your choice might complain) runs counter to what we game modders seek to improve.

 

I figure SF so far can't compete with NMS (in terms of space travel) or even with the fun PvP space battles in Star Wars:galaxies.....when you had a crew to man all the battle stations.   That is what I want, but I figure i will buy SF, esp if there is an active non commercial mod community.   Heck, I bought Sims 4 because of the sheer number of mods here at LL...though I have yet to load it and play it because I have to work sometime.

 

 

[Riggswolfe]

23 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

I feel vindicated when I read posts about Starfield. 

This game have the worst graphics I ever saw in a Bethesda game. 

If we consider the technology available at the time of release, Daggerfall had better graphics than Starfield. 

 

The woke content is a minor nuisance. From what I read is just a option during character creation, so no big deal. 

But the graphics, the models, the fucking filter. It is disgusting just to look at it. 

And I read they spent 10 years and 200 million dollars developing this garbage. 

I also read it came with a plethora of bugs, so many that is unacceptable for a AAA studio. 

 

But hey, keep posting about how great it is. If you are a religious person, you need a religious icon, so embrace it. 

 

I get not liking a game. But come on, at least be factual in your complaints about it.

Worst graphics of a Bethesda game? Hardly. It's like all of their games. The graphics are an incremental improvement over the prior game. Starfield looks better than Fallout 4 that looked better than Skyrim etc. Oddly, it feels like some of the graphics like skin and hair texture were downgraded from the 2022 preview. I have a sneaky suspicion that's because of the Xbox Series S holding them back since it's a weak console compared to the X and PS5. Starfield's lighting is definitely an improvement over prior games though in some places it is too bright. NPC hair looks kind of bad sometimes and the trees in New Atlantis are pretty bad but other than that the graphics are an improvement over their prior games.

I won't comment on the whine about the pronoun switch at character creation. 

Plethora of bugs? Nope. It's got some bugs but less than Fallout 4 or Skyrim had at launch. I think I've had maybe half a dozen bugs in my 100+ hours of playing. None of them broke quests and were mostly just annoyances like my landing pad shipbuilder console stopped working so I had to destroy and rebuild it.

 

[sila]

3 hours ago, prinyo said:

I didn't see anything about the CK In that message. Only about the payed mods coming in a few months. Did I miss something?

They said full support early next year.

 

Full support for mods means the creation kit would be included.

[Kargrin]

Looks like the new formats that Bethesda uses is hell to mod at least without tools. (according to the latest info from Hexabit's in discord)

[Wandering_Mania]

2 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

I figure SF so far can't compete with NMS (in terms of space travel) or even with the fun PvP space battles in Star Wars:galaxies....

Well I don't know about those, as I never played either; But I do know it's completely outmatched by Empyrion, on both of those subjects, plus a whole lot more.

 

2 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

I told a friend in 1998 that AOL will be the death of the internet, or at least the great internet.    Basically, when the normies get involved in anything, they make it bland since if it is too "spicy" then uh oh...someone might get hurt.

There was an old interview with someone, by someone, so old I can't even remember any details besides what was said; But there was a set of lines asked that went:

 

"What is this internet? Is it a 'techno-utopia'? Or a 'digital-dictatorship'? [The guest that night] took a contrarian view. He [saw] it as an instrumentality used by oppressive regimes to crack down on dissidence."

 

And I've been saying it for quite a while now; The internet started as one, and moved into the other. It started as a 'techno-utopia', and with mainstream access, became a 'digital-dictatorship'.

 

2 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

That, from a game modder perspective, is a grave sin.   If you don't like a mod......don't download it.    If you (the LL community in general, not you specifically) love SF and don't want to read criticism, then....don't. 

Words to live by: 'If you don't like the show, change the channel.'

Something a lot of people have difficulty doing now days, as many seek out things they know they wont like, just to hate who, or whatever, they may find. Those types of people, are the ones that need to find a hobby for themselves, as they have far too much 'free time' on their hands.

 

But yeah, suppression of mods, just because one does not personally agree with what they do, weather it be removing a flag, or forced pronouns, is not what modding is about. Modding is about making the game how you, the player, want to play it.

You want to have a 'mini-gun that fires mini-nukes' and is completely OP? Done.

You want to remove a flag that don't belong in the game? Suppressed.

 

I mean what's the difference between those? Nothing, except for an overly narcissistic site founder that sill thinks 'his site' would be just fine without the community that made it work.

Without those that make, and use mods, there is no mod site. Just a random page on the net that has the capability of hosting them.

 

But anyway, SF has potential, but only because of the same reason every other BGS game had it; And that is because of the mods that can be added, and what can be changed/made by the community that plays it.

 

P.S. Sorry about the rant.