So.. Starfield...

[Wandering_Mania]

Fun. That other site is at it again:

 

[FurryestX]

On 9/7/2023 at 12:15 AM, isee said:

It has a lot of potential, to be honest I'm glad they're still using the same engine since morrowind. We know how their games work before they even come out. We can plan, texture and even model months in advance of the game and subsequent creation kit release.

 

Whenever anyone whines about the engine being old and that Bethesda should just scrap it I chuckle a little. Unreal engine predates it. Sure they make a big deal every decade or so about their shiny new unreal 4 or 5 but it is the same engine. You can port most things over from the old code and they work decently with just a mild (in coding terms anyway) amount of work. Sure they add new bells or whistles but every engine used to do that.

 

I'm not saying the creation engine is a masterpiece or anything, but you can be damn sure that if Bethesda ever switched over to using a 3rd party engine like everyone thinks they want it would likely run far worse then Starfield does now, and we would never get official modding tools for any of their games ever again.

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Actually there are around a hundred lines of voiced dialogue for your character in Starfield. It's just hidden and there is a decent chance that a player could sink hundreds of hours into the game and never hear any of it.

that has gotten me, even more angry

[Miauzi]

Vor 20 Minuten sagte FurryestX:

Das hat mich noch wütender gemacht

 

on ANY other "engine" we would have real ROLLING wheels .... for example on a buggy with which I explore the area after the landing of my ship

and NOT on foot in a 40 kg space suit - because there is already nothing available - which can ward off weapon damage from halfway.

Now all I need are the 2 squires who run ahead of me and imitate the clattering hooves of the horses with the coconut scales.

the "monty python" troupe at least still had a black sense of humour and let the constraints of their small budget flow into the plot in an innovative way ...

but big-face Todd H. has created a game of the next generation - which is only possible with mega-hardware.

Am I angry?

Nah - I got exactly what I expected ... a big pile of bloated mediocrity.

 

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And what kind of spaceship is this anyway?

Space like in a big Yankee motorhome ... but the cargo space is as small as in an "Isetta" or a "Messerschmitt Kabinenroller".

[hhh7775]

On 9/6/2023 at 6:11 PM, FurryestX said:

 

AH YEAH

 

YOUR CHARACTER DOESN'T HAS A SINGLE ONE VOICED DIALOGUE

While Fallout4 Had ALL dialogues VOICED in Both Sexes

Personally, I'd do with NEVER having a voiced protagonist again in a Bethesda game. Fallout 4 felt incredibly limiting from an RPG perspective because, no matter what you did, and EVEN with heavy modding, there was always that trace element of being Nate or Nora deep down. I don't mind having a small background like Fallout 3 as a vault kid, even more prefer the sort of ambiguous background the Courier has in FNV, but to have a largely fleshed out character in terms of backstory being dumped into my sandbox RPG? Hell no. If I wanted to play AS a somewhat predetermined character, I'd just play Mass Effect, or just go all out and play Witcher or something along those lines.

Starfield is vastly better for not having a voiced protagonist, and I have no clue how, if being honest, you've found *less* dialogue options here in 20 hours, then in Fallout 4 in 5 hours, given Fallout 4 is INCREDIBLY limited in the types of responses you can have, as well as the number of responses you can have in the base game in any one conversation. Starfield definitely isn't on the level of say, Fallout New Vegas, but this is probably their best attempt I've found personally when it comes to base game dialogue and the amount of options you have, all the more considering Skills you invest into, your traits, and even your background can lead to unique and helpful dialogue in the right circumstances.

I like Fallout 4, don't get me wrong, but its easily, perhaps minus Fallout 76 (which I've not played to this date) the worst roleplaying experience Bethesda has made in either Fallout or TES, not including spinoffs of course that are hardly RPG's, if even RPG's at all.

[Wandering_Mania]

6 hours ago, Riggswolfe said:

These incels need to get over it.

And people like you need stop casually using that word; As it is nothing more than an insult to a lot of people that have no choice in the matter.

I mean, why do you feel the need to spout insults at people that are 'down on their luck' in that department?

[emes]

15 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Fun. That other site is at it again:

 

I always thought the idea behind modding was that it enabled people to set up the game to be however they wanted it to be on their own computer...for themselves. Seems silly that mod-hosting sites are now the moral arbiters about what kinds of mods people should have access to.

If I want to mod my Starfield so that the entire population of the galaxy is hot translucent goo girls, I should be able to!. And if other people want that for their games, they should be able to as well!

[BAB PEEG]

Game took ten years huh.

[bjornk]

3 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

And people like you need stop casually using that word; As it is nothing more than an insult to a lot of people that have no choice in the matter.

I mean, why do you feel the need to spout insults at people that are 'down on their luck' in that department?

 

Ask them why they advocate trans, feminist etc. ideologies, and they'll tell you "cause they are discriminated against", yet they themselves never hesitate to insult, scorn and discriminate against others. People demand tolerance and rights for themselves, yet are always unwilling to give it to others. Modding sites see absolutely no problem hosting trans, loli, furry, bestiality etc. mods, yet ban people for wanting to make their game feel "straight". Hypocrisy is clearly no longer seen as a bad thing in the new millennia, everyone's perfectly happy with it as long as it fits their agenda.

[Wandering_Mania]

25 minutes ago, bjornk said:

Ask them why they advocate trans, feminist etc. ideologies, and they'll tell you "cause they are discriminated against", yet they themselves never hesitate to insult, scorn and discriminate against others. People demand tolerance and rights for themselves, yet are always unwilling to give it to others. Modding sites see absolutely no problem hosting trans, loli, furry, bestiality etc. mods, yet ban people for wanting to make their game feel "straight". Hypocrisy is clearly no longer seen as a bad thing in the new millennia, everyone's perfectly happy with it as long as it fits their agenda.

Yup, I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

1 hour ago, emes said:

I always thought the idea behind modding was that it enabled people to set up the game to be however they wanted it to be on their own computer...for themselves. Seems silly that mod-hosting sites are now the moral arbiters about what kinds of mods people should have access to.

Well, ideally that is the concept. But now days you got the twatter NPC's infecting everything with their brand of rot. It's enough to make you sick.

[bjornk]

40 minutes ago, BAB PEEG said:

Game took ten years huh.

 

Hah! Don't you guys have 4090s!?

 

Bugthesda is not only utterly incompetent developer, but also doesn't give a shit. They literally broke Skyrim LE by their final patch and left it broken. All of its memory allocation issues, crash issues, string count issues, save game issues, lipsync issues etc. etc. all solved by modders, for free.

 

Link for the SF discussion.

 

 

[DocClox]

3 hours ago, BAB PEEG said:

Game took ten years huh.

 

Someone from the team in question responded to the thread.

 

 

It seems as if this sort of shenanigan is fairly common in the AAA Gaming industry.  Apparently most of the "Game Ready" driver releases are special cases workarounds for the shortcuts taken by one game or another.

Edited September 12, 2023 by DocClox

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte Björnk:

 

Fragen Sie sie, warum sie transsexuelle, feministische usw. Ideologien vertreten, und sie werden Ihnen sagen, „weil sie diskriminiert werden“, doch sie selbst zögern nie, andere zu beleidigen, zu verachten und zu diskriminieren. Menschen fordern Toleranz und Rechte für sich selbst, sind aber immer nicht bereit, sie anderen zu geben. Modding-Seiten sehen absolut kein Problem damit, Trans-, Loli-, Furry-, Bestiality-Mods usw. zu hosten, verbieten aber Leuten, die ihr Spiel „hetero“ wirken lassen wollen. Heuchelei wird in den neuen Jahrtausenden offensichtlich nicht mehr als etwas Schlechtes angesehen, jeder ist damit vollkommen zufrieden, solange es zu seinen Vorstellungen passt.

 

Heavens - what a bullshit term -> "transsexual ideology"??

Just because we send a sign of life and no longer want to be stabbed in dark alleys at night by trans-haters - now the "do-gooders" are outraged and feel startled in their small-chequered suburban menatlity.

It is once again the typical mechanism - which declares the victims to be the actual perpetrators ... because if we did not exist visibly at all - no one would "feel compelled" to destroy our existence.

By the way ... the biggest tranny haters also regularly go to tranny brothels ... to be able to let off steam there LEGALLY.

(a long-time friend of mine worked in this field for many years ... in the end she could only numb the daily insults and humiliations with strong drugs).

And now World War 3 has broken out - because you can no longer officially share such people-despising mods.

?

[bjornk]

17 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Heavens - what a bullshit term -> "transsexual ideology"??

Just because we send a sign of life and no longer want to be stabbed in dark alleys at night by trans-haters - now the "do-gooders" are outraged and feel startled in their small-chequered suburban menatlity.

It is once again the typical mechanism - which declares the victims to be the actual perpetrators ... because if we did not exist visibly at all - no one would "feel compelled" to destroy our existence.

By the way ... the biggest tranny haters also regularly go to tranny brothels ... to be able to let off steam there LEGALLY.

(a long-time friend of mine worked in this field for many years ... in the end she could only numb the daily insults and humiliations with strong drugs).

And now World War 3 has broken out - because you can no longer officially share such people-despising mods.

?

 

Perhaps you should've done a little bit of research before calling something you had no idea about as "bullshit" and then bravely flaunting your ignorance with your "personal" experiences. If some people are calling something as an "ideology", perhaps you should've considered that it could be something that go well beyond "tranny fucking/stabbing". You insult and criticize so called "do-gooders" for getting angry about pronouns and call the "straight" mods as "people-despising" as if wanting to play a "straight" game is purely out of malice against trans people. You can't even ask yourself why trans pronouns have become a thing if not a result of an "ideology". Anyway, I'm not here to entertain your ignorance and this is the second time you have made sweeping generalizations and then spewing insults, which clearly proves my point about the likes of you.

 

[Riggswolfe]

3 hours ago, bjornk said:

 

Perhaps you should've done a little bit of research before calling something you had no idea about as "bullshit" and then bravely flaunting your ignorance with your "personal" experiences. If some people are calling something as an "ideology", perhaps you should've considered that it could be something that go well beyond "tranny fucking/stabbing". You insult and criticize so called "do-gooders" for getting angry about pronouns and call the "straight" mods as "people-despising" as if wanting to play a "straight" game is purely out of malice against trans people. You can't even ask yourself why trans pronouns have become a thing if not a result of an "ideology". Anyway, I'm not here to entertain your ignorance and this is the second time you have made sweeping generalizations and then spewing insults, which clearly proves my point about the likes of you.

 

 

And what is this so-called ideology you rant about? Equal rights and less hate? Oh noooo. You're up in arms because some dude made a mod to remove an option that literally doesn't hurt anyone and it got removed by Nexus because they saw it for what it was. A pathetic political statement disguised as a mod. 

 

11 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

And people like you need stop casually using that word; As it is nothing more than an insult to a lot of people that have no choice in the matter.

I mean, why do you feel the need to spout insults at people that are 'down on their luck' in that department?

 

Lol. What a wonderful troll response. 

[Psalam]

Let me just intercede here before this gets rough. Political speech is not permitted on LL. I was hoping this would just go away as Members showed some maturity and ignored the politics for the games/mods. Since that hasn't happened let me put everyone on notice that any posts that just might be considered political will be removed. Further sanctions may also be indicated.

 

I'd rather not lock this Thread since it would just have to be replaced by another BUT if that's what it take to keep order then so be it.

[bjornk]

38 minutes ago, Riggswolfe said:

And what is this so-called ideology you rant about?

 

I'm sure you have access to a search engine.

 

46 minutes ago, Riggswolfe said:

Oh noooo. You're up in arms because some dude made a mod to remove an option that literally doesn't hurt anyone and it got removed by Nexus because they saw it for what it was. A pathetic political statement disguised as a mod.

 

A mod to remove a pathetic political statement from a video game.

[emes]

1 hour ago, Psalam said:

Let me just intercede here before this gets rough. Political speech is not permitted on LL. I was hoping this would just go away as Members showed some maturity and ignored the politics for the games/mods. Since that hasn't happened let me put everyone on notice that any posts that just might be considered political will be removed. Further sanctions may also be indicated.

 

I'd rather not lock this Thread since it would just have to be replaced by another BUT if that's what it take to keep order then so be it.

 

Respectfully, it's a bit difficult to avoid political speech when the subject matter is: Political activists are shutting down modders and mods they personally disagree with.

This is a case of politics coming for those who prefer to avoid politics. (Some of us like to lose ourselves in games to get away from that stuff.)

 

I'm really excited for what the mod community will be able to do for Starfield in the coming years, and I hope that Loverslab, at least, will refrain from mod censorship, and will continue to allow any mods for the game, so long as they aren't outright illegal (well, provided we don't see ridiculous laws being passed in the near future).

 

I just want to play the games I buy the way that *I* want to play them...even if other people are adamantly opposed to my personal preferences and don't believe I should be allowed to have them.

[Psalam]

22 minutes ago, emes said:

 

Respectfully, it's a bit difficult to avoid political speech when the subject matter is: Political activists are shutting down modders and mods they personally disagree with.

This is a case of politics coming for those who prefer to avoid politics. (Some of us like to lose ourselves in games to get away from that stuff.)

 

I'm really excited for what the mod community will be able to do for Starfield in the coming years, and I hope that Loverslab, at least, will refrain from mod censorship, and will continue to allow any mods for the game, so long as they aren't outright illegal (well, provided we don't see ridiculous laws being passed in the near future).

 

I just want to play the games I buy the way that *I* want to play them...even if other people are adamantly opposed to my personal preferences and don't believe I should be allowed to have them.

Nonetheless, political speech is not tolerated here. Talk about the mods all you want. Avoid chatter about their politics.

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, Psalam said:

Talk about the mods all you want.

Alright, here's a mod that SF desperately needs:

'Increased exp gain', for basically everything.

 

It takes so long to level, and you only get one perk point per level, that it is just a complete slog to get anywhere. By the time you actually start to see anything good, you have had to play 50 some odd hours in. No wonder so many people hate the "game", because there is no fun, until long after you have already gotten bored with it.

[t.ara]

At least is the way of language inside of this game !quality!, compared with endless other games. The pronounce speech is a honest add, suiting to the rest of content.

I am disappointed of LOT of other companies and their rascim and rude use of dialogues to get their games "more interesting", which mostly has influence on lot of underaged gamers/kids/children and also this sadly has bad effects on grown ups at the same time.

The listing of such "bad-dialogue-games" is endless LONG! Same is for crime and brutal stuff. But that´s another aspect, indeed.

 

The most of content +18 is also or mostly ! played underaged...the dialogues mean a lot and do cause and harm a lot.

Bethesda here is going a very moderate and positive route-also inside of this game, which is a honest and positive aspect - but that´s my personal opinion, as usually.

Even inside of SKYRIM I get the dialogue to put on some cloth when running naked around. This seems to me well made.

 

Games which need this sort of bad "sexistical/racism" language mostly are not in quality. This sorts of dialogues are NOT necessary to listen to or to read from screen. This only is coloring gamers, which later talk in a same style with their friends, partners or inside of youtube-clips. For the one it may be entertainment, but for others it is not. The entertainment suddenly stops if suddenly the grown ups are becoming confrontated with that language spent by their children. Games educate quietly.

 

You can compare the quality difference between mafia (original) and it´s remake with some technical improvements and it´s flatten rude nonsence dialogues: while the original title is shining in it´s old and simple graphics together with the story and a well sorted language, the new version lacks on it´s dialogue and on it´s overall athmosphere, which can not and never reach or top the original. There are also other important examples of games, which are showing this in a simple way. The successors of games do not need rude dialogue, nor do they need a "blood-party", roling around heads and endless crime. ?

 

 

So this "pronounce" I did not get while I made my character...in starfield, I only thought that there is something curious like a mistake of pronounce, standing there: her/she aside and he/him. So from my impression they made a "mistake"...it looked like another bug:-))  lol

 

Today I will delete the game because I am finished with it. I played what I liked to see and found it is same way like FO4 not touching me.

If later I want, I can install it again.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by t.ara

[Vallsz]

On 9/7/2023 at 11:42 PM, bjornk said:

 

Looks like even 7/10 was pretty generous.

 

 

Review bombs are not reflective of anything.

[bjornk]

8 minutes ago, vallixas said:

 

Review bombs are not reflective of anything.

 

Neither are shill reviews.

[Vallsz]

1 minute ago, bjornk said:

 

Neither are shill reviews.

 

No such thing, people like games or they don't. And the only reason people are giving it perfect 10s is to combat the review bombers who literally openly stated they were making hundreds of accounts just to bomb it on launch. The same happened to FF16 after it was review bombed. Calling everyone a shill that likes a game that you're biased against doesn't make it true. Thankfully the score is starting to rise now that the trolls are losing interest. 

[bjornk]

3 minutes ago, vallixas said:

No such thing, people like games or they don't. And the only reason people are giving it perfect 10s is to combat the review bombers blabla

 

Negative reviews = review bombing

10/10 fake reviews = Just a balancing act

 

Self negating, dumbass logic.

[Vallsz]

16 minutes ago, bjornk said:

 

Negative reviews = review bombing

 

 

Correct, especially when they're announced by multiple fanboys before even release. Metacritic does nothing about this, so fans take it into their own hands. Curious how you seemingly ignore the obvious review bombing. Though one should not expect care from someone who has days now done nothing but antagonize the game, the review bombing suits your bias. oof first defending anti-lgbt mods, throwing around the word "shill" for people who like the game. You're so close to screeching about wokeness in a few minutes.

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by vallixas