So.. Starfield...

[Angrybird]

Small review, I've reached Neon and will prob stop playing until patches and mods have matured.

 

The game is a joke as a AAA game from a million dollar company, loadings, no landings, small boxes etc it has been said before, gamebryo had run its course 2 games ago but it seems they'll keep a it. At this point only an indie studio could get away with such quality.

Aesthetically it looks soulless without much artistic input, NASA punk will be good synonym for uninspired in the coming years, this is mostly an issue in the 1st city which is probably one of the least interesting places I've ever seen in gaming big load of nothing almost as bad as the randomly generated planets, the smaller settlements in closed spaces and interiors in general are much better designed, unfortunately the nasa spunk extends to the ugliest fashion I've ever seen and overall ugliness in npcs, lods are as terrible as they've always been and look like garbage after playing any other big open world game.

 

Since it is such a failure as a big name release I'll compare it to Fallout 4 instead.

 

 

Quest design has remarkably improved, they weren't all about going to x place and shooting everybody, quite a lot of talking with options and skill and traits checks, I could convince or steal, convince or shoot, end the quest by talking to another person other than the quest giver with other options, I also pushed some switches around while quest giver talked me trough(yes remarkable for bethesda). MQ is still kinda bad but it might be better than fo4. Unfortunately the nasa spunk makes what people say not that interesting, fallout is simply a better designed world.

Exploration wise I think the standard model is better, big world see location go there, the star map fails to convey any of that feeling the interesting location simply becomes icon on map instead of big factory, thought if you land on icon it's probably a better experience or at very least equivalent to fallout's 23th building with synths.

 

No comment on random generated stuff it's big nothing, you run around to set up outpost with most resources then send em all to main base, base building is better now and you have top over view to plop down modules it has some problems but better than moving around shack walls in 1st person view. Other customization features are on par nothing much to say there.

Combat is fallout 4 again but more brain dead sometimes it feels like they are getting better but then go right back at it, on par or inferior i think it's better in open spaces. The UI is a nonsense clusterfuck inferior to the pitboy, or it certainly feels like it after the 50th time you chose to fast travel, slow and unresponsive.

 

 

If you liked fo4 you'll probably enjoy this, it feels like a full conversion mod after all, what we like about bethesda games is still there, my criticism are on the pretense that this should be a big name game from a big name company that is worth 70$ or more, absurd, I'm sure modding will make it better but I'm judging the work of the developer which is subpar.

Edited September 7, 2023 by Angrybird

[sen4mi]

I see a lot of potential.

 

And, I see some rough edges. (For example "This is a good spot to write a bunch of science stuff" might become a meme...)

[steelpanther24]

Seems I am going to keep getting my fix with NMS, at least until some mods come in to fix/improve SF, hopefully it will be on discount by then.   However, I liked Rebel Space, ME series, Fragile Allegiance, Alien Legacy and some other games that weren't exactly perfect, so there is no account for taste. 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, t.ara said:

This needs no further words...I go back modding...and playing FUN games

The creation engine is a good engine which is offering perfect nice pics onscreen, but you have to fill it with a professional content.

 

 

I've made three plugins today: one for the Caranthir Tower (tweaking of the tome formulas), one for the Valtara Tower (imagespace and lighting) and one with two new magelight spells, with double the radius of standard magelight. 

I love playing with the CK. 

 

As for the Starfield videos, I can't stop laughing. Games have been bad for years already. I just didn't believe today's developers could go lower after Cyberpunk, but now they did. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Wolfstorm321

[Wandering_Mania]

I think my major problem with SF is that it's all sooooooooooo slow going. Everything is dragged out to an excessive amount.

 

I mean you can't even strip weapon mods from found guns like in FO4, to put them on a gun you are using. And to even build most of the weapon mods you need to research some tech, after you unlock some obscure 'specialized skill' via leveling that does nothing else but allow that research to be done. No wonder there's a 'New Game+' mode, you fuckin' need it to actually be able to have some fun in this game, and play with the weapons you want.

 

And it's somewhat the same with ship building, armor mods, health items, and everything. They made overly complex systems, just to drag everything out to an extreme level. When none of those systems are even needed, nor wanted. It's all filler.

 

And then there's the load screen tip of "You can trade with any civilian ship if you hail them"; But there are none ever seen, it's 99% of the time all empty space, only leaving the question of: WHAT FUCKING CIVILIAN SHIPS???!!!

 

If the game ain't a massive joke, it's a massive taunt, and if it ain't that, then it's just a massive grind; And it's always at least one of those at any given time, sometimes all 3.

[Alexi-1]

4 hours ago, OmegaBlaster said:

 

That proves my point though. Skyrim had higher player number than SF from more than a decade ago when Steam had less than 1/4th the playerbase. FO4 managed 500k for comparison in 2016.

 

Compare SF to BG3 or ER or Hogwarts or any other big fantasy game numbers recently. Hard sci-fi has a more niche appeal. Even if you assume GP shed some Steam numbers, you are still probably looking at something like 500k on PC.

I don't know what ER is supposed to stand for but BG3 and Harry Potter are not comparable to a brand new franchise with no history. New brands do not get that kind of launch.

 

The biggest issue holding it back right now in terms of PC players is probably the fact that its performance is absolutely trash. There's a lot of reviews that cite refunds for performance and it's a major talking point in discords and streams that is probably turning people off.

[OmegaBlaster]

11 minutes ago, Alexi-1 said:

I don't know what ER is supposed to stand for but BG3 and Harry Potter are not comparable to a brand new franchise with no history. New brands do not get that kind of launch.

 

The biggest issue holding it back right now in terms of PC players is probably the fact that its performance is absolutely trash. There's a lot of reviews that cite refunds for performance and it's a major talking point in discords and streams that is probably turning people off.

 

Elden Ring. Which is a new franchise that got almost 1M concurrent on Steam alone. And if the argument is that ER got to where it is because From built up their prestige via the Souls games, then the same argument applies to Star Field which is sold as a Bethesda Studio title.

 

As for BG, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that two CRPG released 20+ years ago majorly contributed to BG 3's popularity. 

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, OmegaBlaster said:

As for BG, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that two CRPG released 20+ years ago majorly contributed to BG 3's popularity.

It's not only a 'stretch' it's complete horse pucky. The reason BG3 was popular is mostly because of Larian's previous titles, Divinity 1&2.

 

Where as SF only got the publicity it has is because Bethesda, mod support, and no new franchises coming out of BGS for over 20 years.

[Alexi-1]

1 hour ago, OmegaBlaster said:

 

Elden Ring. Which is a new franchise that got almost 1M concurrent on Steam alone. And if the argument is that ER got to where it is because From built up their prestige via the Souls games, then the same argument applies to Star Field which is sold as a Bethesda Studio title.

 

As for BG, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that two CRPG released 20+ years ago majorly contributed to BG 3's popularity. 

I don't really think it's fair to call Elden Ring a new franchise. There's a reason people refer to these games as "Soulsborne", because that has become the defacto franchise. We're also talking about Fromsoft here, who have consistently delivered and iterated and delivered and iterated upwards throughout their entire existence. 

With that said, I also think Fallout 4 and 76 have soured people on Bethesda, and that had they actually delivered anything new or good people would have been more interested.

I still think the biggest issue here is performance. If we look at the Steam hardware survey it becomes pretty obvious that only about 30% of people have a 3000 series and above gpu. And I can tell you from experience that 2000 series and below performance gets below 30fps on all low settings. If 70% of people can't play the game on anything remotely approaching acceptable performance, then 70% of people are not going to be playing it. If we're sticking to this comparison - Elden Ring runs at a smooth 60fps on mid settings on a 2060, BG3 runs really well on older hardware, and HP I don't know but I given I heard nothing I expect it had few issues here. All of these games were accessible to most of the market. Starfield is not accessible because of its absolutely terrible performance. It's been put in the "I'll play it later when I've eventually upgraded and modders have fixed it" category for those people who may or may not forget about it depending on whether mods keep it relevant and in the news or not.

Edited September 7, 2023 by Alexi-1

[Alexi-1]

9 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

It's not only a 'stretch' it's complete horse pucky. The reason BG3 was popular is mostly because of Larian's previous titles, Divinity 1&2.

I'm sorry but what? You don't consider Dungeons and Dragons to be an existing long running and popular franchise with millions of existing players and hype for everything released within its universe?

The fact that BG 1+2 were quite a while back is not the point. The franchise of Dungeons and Dragons didn't stop being popular between now and then, it actually grew massively and even mainstreamed in that time.

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, Alexi-1 said:

You don't consider Dungeons and Dragons to be an existing long running and popular franchise with millions of existing players and hype for everything released within its universe?

Yes, that was also a contributor.

But how hyped was the BG2: Enhanced Edition by Beamdog? Not very.

How many content creators talked about that one when it came out? Not many, if any.

So it only stands to reason that it was mostly on Larian's popularity.

 

Still this is a Starfield discussion. And talking about Baulders Gate is going off topic.

 

But another thing I hate about Starfield is how little ammo the vendors have to sell, and how you can't even make any in the workshops. With the bullet sponges and limited ammo, you always find yourself running out.

[Kargrin]

5 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

Seems I am going to keep getting my fix with NMS, at least until some mods come in to fix/improve SF, hopefully it will be on discount by then.   However, I liked Rebel Space, ME series, Fragile Allegiance, Alien Legacy and some other games that weren't exactly perfect, so there is no account for taste. 

Any skimpy female mods in that game?

[Mexicola88]

5 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

I think my major problem with SF is that it's all sooooooooooo slow going. Everything is dragged out to an excessive amount.

 

I mean you can't even strip weapon mods from found guns like in FO4, to put them on a gun you are using. And to even build most of the weapon mods you need to research some tech, after you unlock some obscure 'specialized skill' via leveling that does nothing else but allow that research to be done. No wonder there's a 'New Game+' mode, you fuckin' need it to actually be able to have some fun in this game, and play with the weapons you want.

 

And it's somewhat the same with ship building, armor mods, health items, and everything. They made overly complex systems, just to drag everything out to an extreme level. When none of those systems are even needed, nor wanted. It's all filler.

 

And then there's the load screen tip of "You can trade with any civilian ship if you hail them"; But there are none ever seen, it's 99% of the time all empty space, only leaving the question of: WHAT FUCKING CIVILIAN SHIPS???!!!

 

If the game ain't a massive joke, it's a massive taunt, and if it ain't that, then it's just a massive grind; And it's always at least one of those at any given time, sometimes all 3.

You hate this game but still play it. Yeah totally cool.

 

You are one of the cool guys...

[Mexicola88]

1 hour ago, Kargrin said:

Any skimpy female mods in that game?

There is no CK yet.

[bjornk]

 

Looks like even 7/10 was pretty generous.

 

[buzzbombr]

3 hours ago, Alexi-1 said:

Starfield is not accessible because of its absolutely terrible performance. It's been put in the "I'll play it later when I've eventually upgraded and modders have fixed it"

Yep. That's me, and I'm just one guy who decided to post. I VERY much wish I could play this game. As soon as I am able, I will do so. Whether that be due to a new hardware purchase or a "Eureka!" moment (lots of skull-sweat and hard work) from a modder who makes the game more accessible for older hardware, I don't know. I'm just waiting until I can make the first happen, or the second happens. Literally whichever comes first.

 

I really don't care what the haters say. It's a new Beth game!! That just doesn't happen very often. I've played all their single player PC games since Oblivion and they've all had their bugs and problems, but it darn sure didn't stop me from exploring that big-ass sandbox! Hours and hours and hours. Nothing I've ever played has soaked up my free time, fired my imagination, and got me more involved than their games do. It's cathartic. Then you just keep modding and modding and modding. It gets better and better and better. For YEARS! I cannot name anything else I can spend $70 bucks on that keeps me engaged and entertained for years. Beth games have their quirks, which we're all familiar with, but nobody does that whole package better than they do. Nobody else is even close.

 

TLDR: I'm a Bethfanboy and I haven't purchased Starfield yet, simply because I can't play it on my hardware. That really sucks, but I'm betting there's LOTS more like me. I just hope we all get to play. Sooner rather than later.

[OmegaBlaster]

4 hours ago, Alexi-1 said:

I'm sorry but what? You don't consider Dungeons and Dragons to be an existing long running and popular franchise with millions of existing players and hype for everything released within its universe?

The fact that BG 1+2 were quite a while back is not the point. The franchise of Dungeons and Dragons didn't stop being popular between now and then, it actually grew massively and even mainstreamed in that time.

 

If you're going to argue that BG3 was helped by the popularity of DnD, and Elden Ring by the popularity of Dark Souls, then you cannot say Star Field is a new franchise without any boost. It's similarly bolstered by the reputation of Bethesda open world games, and it being perceived as like 'Skyrim/Fallout in Space'. 

 

The reality, as it stands, is that in current day, High Fantasy has greater mass appeal than Hard Sci-Fi. And Star Field chose to go down the hardest Sci Fi route and deliberately chose to obfuscate all the 'fantasy' element until the very end. 

Edited September 8, 2023 by OmegaBlaster

[Reginald_001]

On 7/14/2022 at 7:55 PM, thaclone said:

 

tbh:
DNA manipulation should be a thing in 300 years
just adding genoms from animals to make a superiour human should be very easy in the future - so let's just hope for the best

They just made and released a movie about why that's not such a good idea

 

 

 

[Wandering_Mania]

7 hours ago, Mexicola88 said:

You hate this game but still play it.

I never said that I hated it. I have valid critiques of some elements of it.

Besides since when was having valid critiques of anything deemed as "hating" before SF? NEVER! But now it is? Whats up with that?

[Alexi-1]

I think another factor we've all missed so far in the Steam data that just struck me this morning is the fact it's on Gamepass where you can get a 1 month trial to play the game for free, or pay a fifth of the price to play it for a month. On top of the fact Gamepass has 25million existing subscribers. Obviously a lot of them are going to be console, but I'd still guess at a few million of them being PC. This will be sucking a considerable number of players out of the Steam data.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Alexi-1

[Wandering_Mania]

Well I think I just found the most bullshit part of the game. Hell, it's the 'Lord of all bullshit'. I mean if bullshit where people, then this would be the Jesus Bullshit Christ of the bullshit race.

Heavy story spoilers, so don't click that spoiler section if you don't wanna know.

Spoiler

So eventually you meet these people called 'The Starborn' who are also after the artifacts that Constellation are collecting; And they end up telling you that the artifacts are pieces of a "stargate" to something called 'the unity', which is some kind of 'multiverse'. Bringing in the whole theory 'multiverse theorem' along with it: "Every choice/action that can be made or happen, is made and does happen, but there is one universe for each divergent choice/action."

 

BGS made a 'NASA-Punk' game, and included one of the least probable 'universal theorems', with the smallest number of believers. Talk about bullshit to the most extreme level.

 

[FauxFurry]

7 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

I never said that I hated it. I have valid critiques of some elements of it.

Besides since when was having valid critiques of anything deemed as "hating" before SF? NEVER! But now it is? Whats up with that?

It has been considered 'true' (from a certain point of view) since at least 2014. There is only complete fawning praise or hatred (usually borne from some form of ideology assigned to the supposed 'hater' by the accusers).

[FauxFurry]

34 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Well I think I just found the most bullshit part of the game. Hell, it's the 'Lord of all bullshit'. I mean if bullshit where people, then this would be the Jesus Bullshit Christ of the bullshit race.

Heavy story spoilers, so don't click that spoiler section if you don't wanna know.

  Hide contents

So eventually you meet these people called 'The Starborn' who are also after the artifacts that Constellation are collecting; And they end up telling you that the artifacts are pieces of a "stargate" to something called 'the unity', which is some kind of 'multiverse'. Bringing in the whole theory 'multiverse theorem' along with it: "Every choice/action that can be made or happen, is made and does happen, but there is one universe for each divergent choice/action."

 

BGS made a 'NASA-Punk' game, and included one of the least probable 'universal theorems', with the smallest number of believers. Talk about bullshit to the most extreme level.

 

That theory ironically is built around the idea that one's choices do not matter as they have no real consequences due to everything inevitably happening in one universe or another. It does provide an excuse for a New Game Plus feature in story, though.

[Wandering_Mania]

3 hours ago, FauxFurry said:

It does provide an excuse for a New Game Plus feature in story, though.

Well one excuse anyway. Because the progression takes so long to do anything, simply due to a major lack in enemies to shoot, you'd never get anywhere in a single game. Making it a necessity to have the new game+.

[steelpanther24]

22 hours ago, Kargrin said:

Any skimpy female mods in that game?

No, you don't even play a human.