Naked Defeat AE/SE

[gerroth]

6 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

did you set prison chance? Prison Chance is rolled before Slavery (its a new outcome) and if its true you wont get enslaved.

But you need Prison Overhaul Patched for it to work, so withoiut that you are released (I will add a check to prevent that next update).

 

See if that is the case for you and if so set prison chance to 0% and try again please. thx

 

Prison chance was 0%. Isn't it just for guard punishment?

 

 

6 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

EDIT: ah, also make sure you are not in zbfslavefaction (counting as enslaved), are not defeated by guards (seems not from the log, tho :D)

 

How do I check this?

 

 

 

[Nymra]

 

5 hours ago, gerroth said:

How do I check this?

zbfslavefaction 

 

if you have DDe installed you also have SUM (Skyrim Utility mod) from Inte.

you can check your curreent factions in its MCM under factions. You have to register the player first somehow, but that is one way to do it.

 

otherwise you could check this:

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/91753

 

I am working on 4.61 and changed some of the checks there so I can see more infos in the log. I will send it to you in a PM so you  can try if that fixes it. 

[gerroth]

26 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

 

if you have DDe installed you also have SUM (Skyrim Utility mod) from Inte.

you can check your curreent factions in its MCM under factions. You have to register the player first somehow, but that is one way to do it.

 

otherwise you could check this:

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/91753

 

I am working on 4.61 and changed some of the checks there so I can see more infos in the log. I will send it to you in a PM so you  can try if that fixes it. 

 

You were completely right! I was in that faction.

 

Once I removed it with player.RemoveFromFaction( <ID>) slavery worked again.

 

I even have a suspision what could have caused this, because in an earlier defeat my Character ended up as "Public Whore" after being sold in Simple Slavery, which for some reason tried to start the Sanguines Debauchery event (which I never installed or ran), which probably ended Public Whore, without starting a new enslavement, and never removing that flag.

[Nymra]

24 minutes ago, gerroth said:

 

You were completely right! I was in that faction.

 

Once I removed it with player.RemoveFromFaction( <ID>) slavery worked again.

 

I even have a suspision what could have caused this, because in an earlier defeat my Character ended up as "Public Whore" after being sold in Simple Slavery, which for some reason tried to start the Sanguines Debauchery event (which I never installed or ran), which probably ended Public Whore, without starting a new enslavement, and never removing that flag.

 

this might be the case. 

I also noticed that a slavery event started from Naked defeat adds the faction too, asuming that the follow up mods remove it again. this is an old artifact that I removed now, maybe this further decreases the chance of this happening.

I will also add a check in the Systems page so we can see player slave faction in naked defeat nativly (and maybe I can add a "remove" for both this and dhlp suspend,. hmm. yes

 

ok, nvm just thinking out loud here

[Lucci213]

A set of 3 bugs.

 

Stuck on Bleedout

• load game
• die to environment (fall damage, traps, console command "kill")
• stuck on bleedout stage
• Papyrus.0.stuck-on-bleedout-environmental-death.log
• can be fixed by drinking a health potion
• dying again will no longer trigger the bug
• but if you reload, the first death via environment will trigger the bug again

 

Skeever no Defeat

• fight skeever
• enter bleedout
• after a few seconds, get up like nothing happened
• Skeevers still hostile and will continue attacking
• Papyrus.0.skeever-no-trigger-defeat.log
• Sidenote: if that was your first death after loading a save, it will trigger the "Stuck on Bleedout" bug

 

Bears as Spriggans

• fight bears
• enter bleedout
• "Defeated by Spriggans" message appears
• was in a cave with only bears
• bear sex scenes happens 
• after rape, get tied to furniture
• previously they would rape me then let me go, which makes more sense since bear got no hands
• Papyrus.0.bears-as-spriggans.log

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, Lucci213 said:

A set of 3 bugs.

 

Stuck on Bleedout

• load game
• die to environment (fall damage, traps, console command "kill")
• stuck on bleedout stage
• Papyrus.0.stuck-on-bleedout-environmental-death.log
• can be fixed by drinking a health potion
• dying again will no longer trigger the bug
• but if you reload, the first death via environment will trigger the bug again

 

Skeever no Defeat

• fight skeever
• enter bleedout
• after a few seconds, get up like nothing happened
• Skeevers still hostile and will continue attacking
• Papyrus.0.skeever-no-trigger-defeat.log
• Sidenote: if that was your first death after loading a save, it will trigger the "Stuck on Bleedout" bug

 

Bears as Spriggans

• fight bears
• enter bleedout
• "Defeated by Spriggans" message appears
• was in a cave with only bears
• bear sex scenes happens 
• after rape, get tied to furniture
• previously they would rape me then let me go, which makes more sense since bear got no hands
• Papyrus.0.bears-as-spriggans.log

 

thx for the detailed report.

 

1. Stuck on Bleedout:

I think I found out why this happens and added a fix for that in 4.61 (coming soonish)

 

2. Skeever no Defeat
I could not find that in the logs. The scene when fighting the skeevers looked like it played.

But no DefeatType was determined so I added some checks to prevent this in 4.61

 

3.this looks like its in order, hmm. The bears seem to have the Spriggan Faction.

But now ofc I think this might apply to all wild animals... damn.

Might have to think more about how to scan actors better.

 

 

 

[Corysia]

18 hours ago, gerroth said:

Did anyone get simple slavery to work with the latest patch? If I set slavery chance to 100%, they will just let me go. 

Papyrus.0.slaver.not-working.txt 70.99 kB · 1 download

SS++ worked fine for me.  But I'll keep an eye out for that faction stuff.  I didn't know about that.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Corysia

[gborogboro]

20 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

1. did you enable ragdoll in naked defeat MCM?

2. do scenes from other mods start normal?

3. did you add new mods before starting a new game? 

4. where is papyrus.log?
5. did you enable ragdoll ending or idle poses in Sexlab MCM / animation settings? 

reinstalling the mod why? you dont even know if it is related yet.

 

Thanks for the fast reply

 

1. nope

2. Yes (testing with SLEN)

3. Yes night of wolfs (its an werewolve replcer) and racecompatibilty AIO, but both shouldnt have to to with defeat/bleedout/ragdoll

4. look into it send you the part, when iam using the surrender key (debug)

5. Ah in deed, i checked wait idles, maybe i should disable them? ?

 

And: reinstall didnt do the thing xD

 

Edit: never mind was the sexlab idles. thx for the hint and sorry for the false bug report

 

papyrus nade.txt

Edited April 26, 2022 by gborogboro
resolved

[Lucci213]

3 hours ago, Nymra said:

But now ofc I think this might apply to all wild animals... damn.

Might have to think more about how to scan actors better.

Can confirm that on some level. I surrendered to a rabbit and it also gave me the "Defeated by Spriggans" message

 

3 hours ago, Nymra said:

2. Skeever no Defeat
I could not find that in the logs. The scene when fighting the skeevers looked like it played.

But no DefeatType was determined so I added some checks to prevent this in 4.61

Bit of followup to this. Creatures in general seem to have trouble getting detected.

• Critcal Defeat triggered by Skeever 
• message appears: "No race detected"
• message appears: "Nobody there to take advantage of your situation"
• Area was indoors, search radius of 8000, multiple skeevers right in front of me
• Papyrus.0.skeever-no-defeat-2.log

 

• Bleedout Defeat triggered by Hagraven
• message appears: "Defeated by Humans"
• there was a Witch (human) during the fight but she was dead way before the Hagraven dropped me into Bleedout

• message appears: "Nobody there to take advantage of your situation"

• health refilled, was able to stand up and fight again

• Papyrus.0.undetected-hagraven.log

 

• fight the same Hagraven from above scenario
• Surrender this time (it's only fair  )
• message appears: "No race detected"
• Hagraven right in front of me, Spriggan in a nearby cage
• message appears: "You are fucked by everyone"
• got fucked by a spider that was chillin in another room
• Defeat scenario procedes as normal with my Hagraven captor, Spriggan whipper, and a Spider that fucks me silly
• Papyrus.0.creature-surrender-no-race-detected.log

 

Sidenote: do you think you can add a pathfinding check for NPCs during defeat? Some dungeons have prisoners in locked cages that can magically teleport out of their cage and join in as a whipper/raper. Additionally, it leads into some awkward scenarios where I would get sent into Bleedout, my lingering poison/fire kills the last bandit, but since the prisoners are still alive, the guys inside the locked cells are now fucking my lights out and strapping me into bondage furniture.

Fun times, but a bit immersion breaking.

[Nymra]

31 minutes ago, Lucci213 said:

Can confirm that on some level. I surrendered to a rabbit and it also gave me the "Defeated by Spriggans" message

 

Bit of followup to this. Creatures in general seem to have trouble getting detected.

• Critcal Defeat triggered by Skeever 
• message appears: "No race detected"
• message appears: "Nobody there to take advantage of your situation"
• Area was indoors, search radius of 8000, multiple skeevers right in front of me
• Papyrus.0.skeever-no-defeat-2.log

 

• Bleedout Defeat triggered by Hagraven
• message appears: "Defeated by Humans"
• there was a Witch (human) during the fight but she was dead way before the Hagraven dropped me into Bleedout

• message appears: "Nobody there to take advantage of your situation"

• health refilled, was able to stand up and fight again

• Papyrus.0.undetected-hagraven.log

 

• fight the same Hagraven from above scenario
• Surrender this time (it's only fair  )
• message appears: "No race detected"
• Hagraven right in front of me, Spriggan in a nearby cage
• message appears: "You are fucked by everyone"
• got fucked by a spider that was chillin in another room
• Defeat scenario procedes as normal with my Hagraven captor, Spriggan whipper, and a Spider that fucks me silly
• Papyrus.0.creature-surrender-no-race-detected.log

 

will check on these and get back to you, thx.

I already found a possible cause for this. a small bug from the resent rewriting of the actor detection. 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Lucci213 said:

Sidenote: do you think you can add a pathfinding check for NPCs during defeat? Some dungeons have prisoners in locked cages that can magically teleport out of their cage and join in as a whipper/raper. Additionally, it leads into some awkward scenarios where I would get sent into Bleedout, my lingering poison/fire kills the last bandit, but since the prisoners are still alive, the guys inside the locked cells are now fucking my lights out and strapping me into bondage furniture.

Fun times, but a bit immersion breaking.

 

no

but what I can try to do is scanning for actors who have a prisonerfaction or zbfslavefaction on them.

the factioncheck for humans is still very basic, so further details will be added bit by bit. 

sadly, many mod added NPCs might lack a suitable faction and therefor cannot be recognized.

 

 

 

[Nymra]

in the mess of testing this mod
 

my beautiful (and very busy) assistants Tanya (left) and Tahlia (right) 

 

[DonQuiWho]

Hi @Nymra

 

You asked for a pic of my reported weird semi t-pose

 

1 - Outside Heljarchen Hall.  Just enslaved a bandit using PAHE.  Killed another bandit which died just before the PC entered bleedout.  Had Ragdoll 'On' so that might affect it?  Oddly, the event continued, but with no bandits remaining, the mod dragged in the Heljarchen Hall housecarl as the enemy protagonist who  also di the post coitus whipping  LOL

 

2 - in Castle Royal entry hall.  Bunch of bandits.  Followers still in the fight, and on bleedout, whilst waiting to see if followers got defeated and it would end, got this same pose whilst waiting

 

Hope these are of interest / help

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, DonQuiWho said:

Hi @Nymra

 

You asked for a pic of my reported weird semi t-pose

 

1 - Outside Heljarchen Hall.  Just enslaved a bandit using PAHE.  Killed another bandit which died just before the PC entered bleedout.  Had Ragdoll 'On' so that might affect it?  Oddly, the event continued, but with no bandits remaining, the mod dragged in the Heljarchen Hall housecarl as the enemy protagonist who  also di the post coitus whipping  LOL

 

2 - in Castle Royal entry hall.  Bunch of bandits.  Followers still in the fight, and on bleedout, whilst waiting to see if followers got defeated and it would end, got this same pose whilst waiting

 

Hope these are of interest / help

 

that is in fact just the normal T Pose for skyrim. 
means that in fact a hkx file is missing or not suitable. hmm.

 

I think I added a check for the number of the pose playing, but I need to check the log directly to be able to tie it to the event. 

I had this happen ONCE but could not reproduce it since. 
I have it on the list tho... 

[Nymra]

Naked Defeat 4.70 - News- 
 

TLDR: 4.70 will have crawling animations

even when there are some bugs piling up I will take my time to finish 4.70 with style. It is a bigger jump because it will contain a milestone that I set for myself and that I failed to implement several times before.

I will now be able... tadaaa... to force the player into crawling haha. Ok that is a small thing for a modder, but for me it was quite something to accomplish. so many thanks here @huanrenfeng who kindly provided me with all the necessary knowledge and the scripts. 

 

So yeah, with beeing able to do that I am now rewriting both the initial defeat phase (find a good spot...) AND the Outro (Run!) to include crawling and add some new checks and ideas to make it more worthwhile.

 

 

[Nohrin]

Is there anyway to get aggressors to stop walking away from me after defeating me? They sometimes walk far enough away to not be selected as rapists. I even bumped up interior scan range to 7500.

 

Edit: Also, Captivity says "Probability of getting tied to bondage furnitures after sex." But I often get tied to bondage furniture before the sex scenes even take place. How do I set it up so Sex is guaranteed, and bondage is random? I got "Defeat Chance" set to 100% and "Captivity" set to 66%. Short Defeat to 75%.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Nohrin

[Nymra]

21 minutes ago, Nohrin said:

Is there anyway to get aggressors to stop walking away from me after defeating me? They sometimes walk far enough away to not be selected as rapists. I even bumped up interior scan range to 7500.

 

this is on my list, but its weird because for me this happens only outdoors when I m defeated at a road by travellers for example. 

In the future I want to make aggressors play an idle package to stay in the area. 
I recommend using search radius 10.000 indoors. 
BUT it should be impossible for actors to walk that far. Does it take very long between rape and scene start? 

Also the actors are catched quite early, not when the scene actually starts.

well feel free to send a papyrus log, maybe your problem is different (see below)

 

21 minutes ago, Nohrin said:

Edit: Also, Captivity says "Probability of getting tied to bondage furnitures after sex." But I often get tied to bondage furniture before the sex scenes even take place. How do I set it up so Sex is guaranteed, and bondage is random? I got "Defeat Chance" set to 100% and "Captivity" set to 66%.

Short Defeat to 75%.

well, you should read the MCM infos, they are there for a reason:

 

"Short Defeat Chance": Chance that defeat will only be one scene instead of the full defeat cycle. Can be either one of the following: "Fucking", "Golden Shower", "Whipping", "Wiggle Free", This respects your other settings, so whipping or golden showers on 0% will not use those scenes.

 

so basically short defeat is the "issue" here. you need to set it to 0% to gurantee sex all the time. 

[Aladsk]

I love the concept here, though I would like to ask if it is possible to disable any rape content and simply keep the bondage elements of this mod.

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, ThePopato said:

I love the concept here, though I would like to ask if it is possible to disable any rape content and simply keep the bondage elements of this mod.

 

hmmm, yeah, this was asked a long time ago, I remember. Back then I barely managed to update the MCM, hehe. 
Yeah, that would be possible, but conceptwise I would have to think about how to design it as a toggle or slider. 
I will think about it. But yeah, its doable.  
 

[Chlodwig]

I encountered an issue with  Naked Defead when you got POP installed

 

I got Combat Stripping active but  only set to a 1% Deafeat when Striped.

Now that causes a Problem with POP I was sent to Prison and the Jailmaster made this Parade thing and the Whipping

triggered the Combat Stripping and that Triggered Naked defeat 

So people from the crowd had sex with my pc while the Jailmaster contineud whipping  (not to mention that spectator crowd was active)

and after that I was sold as slave.... because Naked Defeat triggered SS+ 

And that breaks a bit the immersion...

 

Not sure if there is anything you can do besides giving a warning that this combination can lead to strange results.

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2022 by Chlodwig

[Nymra]

28 minutes ago, Chlodwig said:

I encountered an issue with  Naked Defead when you got POP installed

 

I got Combat Stripping active but  only set to a 1% Deafeat when Striped.

Now that causes a Problem with POP I was sent to Prison and the Jailmaster made this Parade thing and the Whipping

triggered the Combat Stripping and that Triggered Naked defeat 

So people from the crowd had sex with my pc while the Jailmaster contineud whipping  (not to mention that spectator crowd was active)

and after that I was sold as slave.... because Naked Defeat triggered SS+ 

And that breaks a bit the immersion...

 

Not sure if there is anything you can do besides giving a warning that this combination can lead to strange results.

 

 

 

 

problem is, that its somehow not possible to perfectly catch when the PC is in prison.
I tried two methods now suggested by @Inte (one with catching mod events, one with checking a value from the mod itself liek described on the POP page) but both seem to fail.
I tested this few times but somehow did not get reliable results.

 

Meaning: atm I cannot achieve compatibility with POP. I will give this another go later, I just got frustrated from the playtests. 

In the end I though its my savegame that is not the best anymore, but when you have this problem its not just me, so thats a valuable feedback. 
Also might be the latest changes I made to the integration of POP did not make it into the last update. 

I ll get back to you

EDIT: ah, only reliable method right now is to manually turn ND off when prison sentence starts

Edited April 30, 2022 by Nymra

[Chlodwig]

It must be a hell of a work to get that all done with all these diffrent mods available influencing each other...

 

But I think I deinstall POP and some other mods its getting to much and its sometimes impossible to say how to set up the mods correctly so that it works smooth without

having every 5 meters a animal trying to jump on you or a guard wants to search you etc.

[schweinehund]

Hello, I really like the new potion thing. Would it be difficult to expand towards alcohol?

[Nymra]

7 hours ago, Chlodwig said:

It must be a hell of a work to get that all done with all these diffrent mods available influencing each other...

 

oh yes....
I in fact have a high priority for compatibility (in the boundaries of my abilities) but its really tough and often time consuming, even when I do not even use that mods myself.

 

7 hours ago, Chlodwig said:

But I think I deinstall POP and some other mods its getting to much and its sometimes impossible to say how to set up the mods correctly so that it works smooth without

having every 5 meters a animal trying to jump on you or a guard wants to search you etc.

 

yes  yes
that is the only way that I could make kinky skyrim work in the end: get rid of basically all mods that start sex or other stuff outside certain parameters (like quests)... 
with naked defeat I can now "bundle" some features in one mod for example, next thing I want to add is stuff like estrus tentacle attacks and traps

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, schweinehund said:

Hello, I really like the new potion thing. Would it be difficult to expand towards alcohol?

 

this is planned. I dont know yet how customizeable I want to make it, since I do not want to overload the MCM. 
plus I like it when stuff has additional effects. alcohol could be fun, when you fight drunk and get downed you could get a "wake up after blackout" event that skips all the rape and just strips, applies cum and spawns the PC somewhere wild, haha. 

but yeah, I wanted to add all the consumables eventually 

[bevo67]

Is there a way to clear followers with console commands? I can’t seem to remove Lydia (maybe due to follower mod) and I think that’s making defeat hang at bleed out. Thanks!