Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls

[kf05]

5 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

If a slave runs away they automatically report the enslaving crime (actually assault crime for the moment) to their crime faction. Did you try to move the slave to a safe place without any members of his crime faction? Just put the slave in a bag as soon as you can, maybe gag the slave first also, just to be sure. Then unbag, ungag and train the slave until resignation>70. Hopefully the player doesn't count as a member in the crime report...

I did what you told me, and it works as intended? Thank you. It also was a mistake on my side, i was sure i did uncheck every option, but i had the "alarm for running away" still active?, most likely it would have worked earlier as well.

[JCPunch94]

so i noticed that the mod seems to prevent you from telling your house slaves from training others and making one a taskmaster with HSH.

 

[pinky6225]

17 minutes ago, JCPunch94 said:

so i noticed that the mod seems to prevent you from telling your house slaves from training others and making one a taskmaster with HSH.

 

 

Not seen that myself, have HSH slave trainers and a task master - sounds like its something else tbh

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

That's cool!  Does scolding count as "punishing" in this context, I hope?

It should

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

 

Aww, how sweet! ❤️

 

Oh, that's absolutely heartbreaking!  Realistic, but heartbreaking! ? The poor little dears!  I hope the chance of slaves reciprocally choosing each other as best friends is substantially higher than not, and unrequited best friendship is pretty rare.  If best friends are chosen randomly/independently, I fear it shall gradually turn my poor li'l heart to stone such that the feels cease to have any effect on me.  But if it's rare, that's a really great way to add to the narrative/character building DoM adds!  It's okay, sweetie.  You don't need her!  Mistress will always be here for you!

 

Friends are chosen according to personality match (some traits need to be close, others need to be opposite or just low or just high or just balanced). Common friends give a bonus to the match.

If the match >=66% friendship can occurs.

If the match is >=84% friend can be tagged as "best".

As you can see the missing part is "shared experience", an important part of friendship, but hard to include in the scripts.

 

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

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Have you tweaked the friendship formation in the recent updates at all?  Updates have been coming so quickly the last few days, I've lost track a bit since I've been updating DoM more than playing it lately, lol.  But I had been finding that slaves choose their friends way too quickly.  I feel like they should need to really spend some time "getting to know each other" before becoming friends, but most of my slaves have decided who their friends are within an hour or so of capture.

It was tweaked some time ago around 2.5. Friendship threshold was upped from 0.6 to 0.66, which should go in the opposite direction as what you're describing. But Skyrim relationship level was included as a possible bonus/malus and family relationship was also included. So what you're experiencing is expected and could be a combination of relationship and group friendship (bonus from common friends).

 

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

What does this mean? Are rivals determined from their past lives or do they form rivalries with other slaves? I haven't been playing a whole lot lately so I may have missed some things here... 

Rivalry is only valid for inlove slaves and is fully determined by who you fuck with.

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Tried that, think your missing a space between who they hate and who they suspect and i have a bit of a triangle now

 

Milie (due to jealous i assume) now hates Aegilief

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And there both friends with Grosta although Grosta is deeply jealous of someone? (or maybe them?)

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The transition to deeply jealous seems a bit quick btw, is nice to know that two of the three are happy though although they also seem to be leaving there friend to do all the cleaning

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Thanks, as you said, it's missing a few spaces and dots.

Nothing weird with your triangle. I noticed Aegilief is not happy.

But jealous/depressed levels are still in a dire need of adjustment.

 

 

[InsanityFactor]

2 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

Rivalry is only valid for inlove slaves and is fully determined by who you fuck with.

Oh yeah I'll be testing the shit out of that

[JCPunch94]

27 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Not seen that myself, have HSH slave trainers and a task master - sounds like its something else tbh

it was the mod as after reverting to a save with out it everything worked perfectly

 

[Antiope_Apollonia]

34 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

As you can see the missing part is "shared experience", an important part of friendship, but hard to include in the scripts.

There has to be some proxy you could use I'd think.  Maybe you could check who's in the same cell together once every so often?  Or track who's following the PC together (or, perhaps, following the same Overseer) each time you change cells?  Or count who's following the player each time some sort of mod event occurs?—e.g., Sex or Combat?

 

47 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

So what you're experiencing is expected and could be a combination of relationship and group friendship (bonus from common friends).

So I'd say that finding ways to slow down the formation of friendships needs to be a priority, then.  It feels like my household is a kindergarten, and all the children have chosen their friends totally arbitrarily before lunch on the first day.  

 

36 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

Rivalry is only valid for inlove slaves and is fully determined by who you fuck with.

Can't we all just get along?! ?

 

I think some system for the PC to intervene in facilitating specific friendships is going to be quickly rising toward the top of my feature wishlist.  If two of my favourites end up as rivals, I'll be devastated!  I don't care what hoops you want to make me jump through; I want nothing more than for the people I like most to like each other!  Let me introduce them to each other or ask them to play together or give them chores they need to cooperate to accomplish or something—anything!  Maybe this could be a good place to work in the oft-requested threesomes, too.

[TrollAutokill]

16 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Can't we all just get along?! 

As said before slaves don't get jealous of their friends. So just make sure your favourites bound before fucking one of them right in front of the other.

 

For example, take them on a trip with you and a common friend. Especially in the beginning as if they are not Inlove/depressed/jealous they don't care about rivalry neither.

 

Or fuck mother and daughter, they won't get jealous as it counts as friendship ?

Edited April 28, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Antiope_Apollonia]

14 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

So just make sure your favourites bound before fucking one of them right in front of the other.

Exactly.  We could use some more proactive tools for facilitating this.  It would be fun and potentially really sweet from a roleplaying standpoint, too, so win–win.

[km4387]

5 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

i'll see about fixing that dialogue for slaves in a future update

I recently pm'd jasmine92 about this - but apparently she doesn't answer pms.  She seemed like the local xvasyth/dialog expert, but I don't know.  I have an issue from PAHE where I have a male orc slave (ex-bandit chief - with a female PC) that spouts alot of YoungMaleEager voice lines.  Just the lines from PAHE, not from Jasmine92's voice mod.  Since you brought up dialog, I figured I'd bring it to your attention.

Edited April 28, 2022 by km4387

[km4387]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I think some system for the PC to intervene in facilitating specific friendships is going to be quickly rising toward the top of my feature wishlist.  If two of my favourites end up as rivals, I'll be devastated!  I don't care what hoops you want to make me jump through; I want nothing more than for the people I like most to like each other!  Let me introduce them to each other or ask them to play together or give them chores they need to cooperate to accomplish or something—anything!  Maybe this could be a good place to work in the oft-requested threesomes, too.

I totally agree with this - I have 3 slaves, each of which I fuck in rotation - they are all jealous, and in love, back and forth.  I don't want them killing eachother, as I'm very selective.  If attacking between slaves is introduced, I'd like a way to intervene as well - a good crack with the whip to stop the combat or something... don't want my slaves killing eachother.  One says it's worth 40k gold, that took some work, and he's not for sale

 

Edit: I know you got alot on your plate, but would it be possible to add some Spank That Ass support?  I'd love to be able to ask my slaves to be rough and add to my pain factor. The contradiction pleases me.

 

Edit2: Perhaps there should be some sort of voyeur trait added, where the in love slave learns to like to watch you with other npcs/slaves - maybe even get off on it at higher levels.  A balanced way to reduce jealousy.

 

Edit3: All my slaves are friends with one another, but yet still jealous, so perhaps that is not working as intended.  I've not bound 2/3 while having sex with the 3rd, so maybe that's on my end.  But I feel a loving slave should accept it, enjoy it at higher levels.

Edited April 28, 2022 by km4387

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Smallish Wall-o'-Text™ with notes from the last couple of versions.  I double checked the easily verifiable ones in 2.9.9, and it doesn't look like they've been addressed, but some of them are harder to re-check.

 

• I'm getting "[Slave] stops masturbating despite being warned" when slaves stop masturbating despite no such warning having been given.
• Followers are still attacking slaves who run and call for help even if they don't turn to fight back.
• Followers often attack fleeing slaves really late, after you've already subdued them.  Sometimes so late, even, that I've already scolded her for running away, and the follower punishes her for "no reason".  
  • We probably just need to completely disallow followers from registering punishments.  It's just too hard to control.  Plus, sometimes I like to work certain slaves all the way to fully trained without ever using pain, and my followers keep disrupting those designs.
• When slaves run away, and you catch up to them and initiate dialogue to scold/punish them, they often break out of the dialogue and resume running away.  As far as I can tell, this is related to calling for help between the time when you initiate the dialogue and the time when you choose a dialogue option.
• Sometimes slaves "turn to fight" after you've already just scolded her for running away, although it amounts to nothing—they don't actually fight—other than followers drawing weapons and immediately sheathing them and combat slaves getting a "fought well" reason.
• (In general, it seems like I'm having a lot of issues that look like they might possibly be related to script lag, even though I have a modlist that's pretty light in terms of script load.)
• I see you got slaves to stop covering themselves after being scolded for it.  Great improvement!  Well, mostly.  It looks like it's not quite fixed, as slaves who aren't following still seem to keep playing the cover self idle after being scolded.
• Don't know how you did it, but it looks like you finally found a way to get well-trained slaves to remain in the "good slave idle" after praising them for being good slaves.  Great job!  That has bugged me for ages.  It's a little thing, but it's a really nice improvement.
• Using "Entertain me", slaves who "choose to stop posing" immediately resume playing the pose idle.
• Ideas for alternatives to "No, mistress!"
  • "I'm sorry Mistress, I just can't."
  • "I just can't, Mistress.  I'm sorry."
  • "Please, Mistress, don't make me do this!"
  • "I want to be a good girl, Mistress, but I just can't do this."
  • "Please, be patient with me, Mistress!  I'm really trying to become a good slave, but I'm just not ready for this yet."
• "Dance for me" is still playing this awkward contortionist animation.

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• "Serve some drinks" is still playing the soup pot animation.
• With "Entertain me slave!" → "Just be cute," can you include a notification or a console line or something to tell us which GS Pose number is being played?  I'd like to assemble a list of "good fits" and "bad fits", and this would greatly help facilitate it.
• Any chance we can choose our own "modifier key" for hotkey configuration?  I use the function keys for DoM stuff, and it's awkward getting to them with shift; alt would be much more comfortable.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Antiope_Apollonia

[CliftonJD]

6 hours ago, km4387 said:

I recently pm'd jasmine92 about this - but apparently she doesn't answer pms.  She seemed like the local xvasyth/dialog expert, but I don't know.  I have an issue from PAHE where I have a male orc slave (ex-bandit chief - with a female PC) that spouts alot of YoungMaleEager voice lines.  Just the lines from PAHE, not from Jasmine92's voice mod.  Since you brought up dialog, I figured I'd bring it to your attention.

check the mcm listing for the slave to check its voice type

[Catnapper2]

Could there be a manor owned by the player basically a place to serve like a group of businesses of sorts for slave to use, like jobs? The jobs include productions like farming, Mining, and dairy/studs (Dairy for female slaves and studs is for male slaves), gladiator slaves would be great to have if the player wants fighting between other slave owners, and finally prostitutes (enough said). Perhaps there could be a slave milking skill or rather the level could determine how they react to being milked. Basically it's a method to owning slaves and being profitable off of them without selling them.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Catnapper2

[km4387]

5 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

check the mcm listing for the slave to check its voice type

Thanks for responding - it says MaleOrc, but doesn't sound that way.

[pinky6225]

13 hours ago, km4387 said:

I totally agree with this - I have 3 slaves, each of which I fuck in rotation - they are all jealous, and in love, back and forth.  I don't want them killing eachother, as I'm very selective.  If attacking between slaves is introduced, I'd like a way to intervene as well - a good crack with the whip to stop the combat or something... don't want my slaves killing eachother.  One says it's worth 40k gold, that took some work, and he's not for sale

 

Maybe a warning reason like there is for crying/covering regarding fighting i.e. "There will be no fighting in my house unless i start it" which deters them

 

On a similar vain one for jealous would be nice as well, something like telling one slave "Don't worry your my favorite" which greatly reduces/removes jealous unless two slaves that have both been told this are in the same cell in which case it rebounds

[TrollAutokill]

14 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Exactly.  We could use some more proactive tools for facilitating this.  It would be fun and potentially really sweet from a roleplaying standpoint, too, so win–win.

Maybe blindfold them? But they are not that stupid? Or they are?

[Plegra]

please do a video how to download the mod with all otional addons and things i have much problems to download and i dont know i realy need to download for the mod to work i jsut did all download what was on essential mods and recommend installions pls do a tutorial

[TrollAutokill]

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Smallish Wall-o'-Text™ with notes from the last couple of versions.  I double checked the easily verifiable ones in 2.9.9, and it doesn't look like they've been addressed, but some of them are harder to re-check.

 

• I'm getting "[Slave] stops masturbating despite being warned" when slaves stop masturbating despite no such warning having been given.

The message was wrong. The rest was fine.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• Followers are still attacking slaves who run and call for help even if they don't turn to fight back.

That's expected.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• Followers often attack fleeing slaves really late, after you've already subdued them.  Sometimes so late, even, that I've already scolded her for running away, and the follower punishes her for "no reason".  
  • We probably just need to completely disallow followers from registering punishments.  It's just too hard to control.  Plus, sometimes I like to work certain slaves all the way to fully trained without ever using pain, and my followers keep disrupting those designs.

Or rewrite Skyrim entirely, I am afraid.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• When slaves run away, and you catch up to them and initiate dialogue to scold/punish them, they often break out of the dialogue and resume running away.  As far as I can tell, this is related to calling for help between the time when you initiate the dialogue and the time when you choose a dialogue option.

In dialogue with player check added.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• Sometimes slaves "turn to fight" after you've already just scolded her for running away, although it amounts to nothing—they don't actually fight—other than followers drawing weapons and immediately sheathing them and combat slaves getting a "fought well" reason.

Skyrim...

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• (In general, it seems like I'm having a lot of issues that look like they might possibly be related to script lag, even though I have a modlist that's pretty light in terms of script load.)

PAHE is not so script intensive as it relies mostly on updates every 0.5 seconds or so. @CliftonJD and others have done a good job trying to avoid loops over big arrays to keep the script latency low. It's the same for DoM, and that's why there will never be a lot of spontaneous slave to slave interactions as it would require for each slave to loop over all the other slaves. Of course when you reach more than 40 slaves you still feel it.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• I see you got slaves to stop covering themselves after being scolded for it.  Great improvement!  Well, mostly.  It looks like it's not quite fixed, as slaves who aren't following still seem to keep playing the cover self idle after being scolded.

Nah it was not me. But now it's done, so last punishment acts as a warning.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• Don't know how you did it, but it looks like you finally found a way to get well-trained slaves to remain in the "good slave idle" after praising them for being good slaves.  Great job!  That has bugged me for ages.  It's a little thing, but it's a really nice improvement.

Still not me, but now I added a last praise reason string and "being a good slave" acts as if you told the slave to be respectful.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• Using "Entertain me", slaves who "choose to stop posing" immediately resume playing the pose idle.

Could be that I already corrected that in my version.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• Ideas for alternatives to "No, mistress!"
  • "I'm sorry Mistress, I just can't."
  • "I just can't, Mistress.  I'm sorry."
  • "Please, Mistress, don't make me do this!"
  • "I want to be a good girl, Mistress, but I just can't do this."
  • "Please, be patient with me, Mistress!  I'm really trying to become a good slave, but I'm just not ready for this yet."

Those are already there, it was just the condition for this line was wrong, so all slaves were using that one.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• "Dance for me" is still playing this awkward contortionist animation.

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One of the few default Skyrim dance. I am waiting for you to come up with nicer ones. Maybe some of the GS poses.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• "Serve some drinks" is still playing the soup pot animation.

Changed to only stupid slaves would do that now.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• With "Entertain me slave!" → "Just be cute," can you include a notification or a console line or something to tell us which GS Pose number is being played?  I'd like to assemble a list of "good fits" and "bad fits", and this would greatly help facilitate it.

Next version will have it.

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

• Any chance we can choose our own "modifier key" for hotkey configuration?  I use the function keys for DoM stuff, and it's awkward getting to them with shift; alt would be much more comfortable.

I'll try to include it.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

2 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

Maybe blindfold them? But they are not that stupid? Or they are?

That could certainly be an option, but I think it should really be just one arrow in the quiver.  It'd be a way to manage the symptom without addressing the underlying condition.  

 

For me, I'd be quite willing to utilise blindfolds for the simple practical task of managing the stock efficiently until they can be prepared for sale or assignment.  But for my personal companions and fighters who I keep with me long-term, it'd be important to me—for both practical and roleplaying reasons—to have more robust tools for mediating interpersonal conflict among my favourite slaves. 

 

In practical terms, having to go around blindfolding everyone else whenever I want to have sex with one of my pets would quickly become tedious.  I can't keep them blindfolded all the time, because aside from not caring for the aesthetic that'd create, my girls have things to do.  And I typically have a minimum 4–6 slaves with me at all times once a playthrough gets established: 2–3 sexual companions, 2–3 sisters-in-arms, and sometimes a long-term trainee I'm trying to max out before designating her for sale or assignment.  So that'd be an obnoxious level of adding and removing blindfolds for every time I want to have sex.

 

More importantly, though, in roleplaying terms, I don't want the reason for my slaves' not being jealous to be that they're simply kept ignorant of there being something to be jealous of.  That's not a satisfying social atmosphere to have in my household.  I want to be able to facilitate deeper harmony in my household, and ideally real comraderie among my pets.  Let me assure them that I love them all equally, and remind them that we're all in this together, and tell them that the best way to please Mistress is to learn to like one another.  And, on the other hand, let me make it clear that feuding will displease Mistress.  Let me introduce them to each other and arrange ways for them to spend time together.  Let me talk them up to one another and try to fix them up with each other, e.g., along the lines of, "You'll like her when you get to know her, I promise.  You have a lot in common."

 

It doesn't necessarily have to be an all-powerful set of tools.  It'd be perfectly fine if there were a technique that always worked, but it'd also be fine if sometimes you could end up with a slave who just can't get along no matter how hard you try.  But that'd need to be fairly rare (perhaps, ultimately, it should involve an MCM slider).  Because that'd be adding one more thing to the already exacting list of considerations for selecting who's in my personal retinue.  It could be interesting if, once in a while, I had to sell off a slave I was planning to keep because she were sewing disharmony in the household—once in a while.

 

You've spent the last eight months making me more emotionally invested in and deeply attached to my PAHE slaves than to any other fictional characters.  Whereas I used to dream about Buffy or Anya or Daisy Buchanan or Jordan Baker or Ilsa Lund, now I dream about Bandit Outlaw and Foresworn Pillager. ❤️ After all that work bringing us together, don't tear us apart with petty jealousy, now, please!

[sidfu1]

1 hour ago, Plegra said:

please do a video how to download the mod with all otional addons and things i have much problems to download and i dont know i realy need to download for the mod to work i jsut did all download what was on essential mods and recommend installions pls do a tutorial

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this made me laugh.  there 8 files in downloads...
5 are the mod and older versions for compablity.
1 is a text document to mega i thnk
1 is as name says and description in op says is a modification of the fort.
the last is nothing but premade personalty json for the mod.

read the name if the files. no idea why you want a vid for literally just 6 button presess

Edited April 29, 2022 by sidfu1

[Gräfin Zeppelin]

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

One of the few default Skyrim dance. I am waiting for you to come up with nicer ones. Maybe some of the GS poses.

 

I will sort you out some GS poses suitable for dancing this evening. I use it alot so I know where to look.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Gräfin Zeppelin

[Plegra]

45 minutes ago, sidfu1 said:

sorry yo this my first time downloading smth on loverslab and can u tell me wich file i need to download? please

46 minutes ago, sidfu1 said:

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this made me laugh.  there 8 files in downloads...
5 are the mod and older versions for compablity.
1 is a text document to mega i thnk
1 is as name says and description in op says is a modification of the fort.
the last is nothing but premade personalty json for the mod.

read the name if the files. no idea why you want a vid for literally just 6 button presess