Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Strontam]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

Lola, you're going to earn us some septims, doing what you do best between the sheets.

Okay.

Oh, I want you to find some rare item in a dungeon.

Great, let's go!

No leaving town until you've finished whoring.  You only have 12 more clients, so get busy.

(Later) I'm pretty sore, but I serviced those 12 clients.

Good job, Lola.  What you need now is to run around town in pony gear.

But...MMPH!

Get moving, Lola.

(Later) Good work fetching that package in pony gear, Lola.

Okay, now it's adventure time!

Not yet.  You're going to tell everyone what a slut you are.

But I was just prancing around town in a freaking pony outfit with a tail up my butt!

Move your ass, Lola.

(Later) Okay, I did as you said.

Good.  Since you like being a slut, come here and service me.

Of course.

(Later) That was nice.  Since you're such a nympho, I want you to go admit that to people.

But...

NOW!

(Later) Okay, I did that.

Good.  My nympho whore is going to earn us some gold.  I'm assigning you extra clients.

Dammit.  *zap*

No leaving town until you're done.  And why haven't you thanked me for all the sex?

But!  *zap*  I mean, thank you.

And don't forget about that rare item.  If you weren't so lazy, we'd have found it already.

Something like that :-)

 

[HexBolt8]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

I've made a note to look at sending a mod event when you offer sex to your owner.  Various follower mods require that you do so on a regular basis, but they don't talk to each other.  Sex with Master is easy to detect, but it can't know that you offered.  Initially, the mod event will be useless because nothing listens for it, but if one mod starts doing it, others might eventually do so as well.

Okay, I've done that for the next update, adding a PlayerOfferedSexToMaster mod event, which includes values for the master actor and a Boolean for whether the offer was accepted.

[Starbrow65]

3 hours ago, bishlapped said:

So I am just curious...

Which followers tend to be everyone's favorite for this mod?

Is there an immersion factor with how you pick the follower? Do you go just by looks? you use like picking one with a dominant personality or the best looking one? A big imposing follower or maybe a weaker looking one?

For Vanilla followers I usually tend towards Jenassa, Uthgerd, Mjoll. Occasionally Rayya (sp?), the Falkreath Housecarl. That witch girl Illia  from Darklight Tower might also fit, but somehow I tend to ignore/forget that dungeon too often.

 

Custom SE followers I've used:

• Neve (because demon-ish): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/12224
• Tyq'ra (because daedr-ish; also upscaled her size): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22883
• Aumriel (because spooky): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24161
• Lyris (because: doesn't look like taking "No" for an answer, upscaled her size): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/38038 and gave her a texture from CBBE Muscle Solution https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/38877 and that Futanari Schlong from LL - for when the PC build calls for something less ordinary

Custom LE followers I've ported for myself:

• Minerva: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74256 (very limited testing, port may well come crashing down all around me sooner or later, maybe not.) Bossy voice type, you know.
• Xymena: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/76599 (for the vampire owner content). Not into vampires too much, normally. Especially the cutie versions. She, however ... is different.

 

One of these days I ought to quit fooling around with trying out mod combos, get rid of the restart syndrome that comes with that, and actually try to play the game again.

 

Right. Who am I fooling.

[Shion11]

small thing, is there supposed to be more on this tab? at some point the update mcm dissapeared so i dunno if it's fully updated

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[HexBolt8]

24 minutes ago, Shion11 said:

is there supposed to be more on this tab?

No, that looks complete.

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Starbrow65 said:

For Vanilla followers I usually tend towards Jenassa, Uthgerd, Mjoll. Occasionally Rayya (sp?), the Falkreath Housecarl. That witch girl Illia  from Darklight Tower might also fit, but somehow I tend to ignore/forget that dungeon too often.

 

Custom SE followers I've used:

• Neve (because demon-ish): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/12224
• Tyq'ra (because daedr-ish; also upscaled her size): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22883
• Aumriel (because spooky): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24161
• Lyris (because: doesn't look like taking "No" for an answer, upscaled her size): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/38038 and gave her a texture from CBBE Muscle Solution https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/38877 and that Futanari Schlong from LL - for when the PC build calls for something less ordinary

Custom LE followers I've ported for myself:

• Minerva: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74256 (very limited testing, port may well come crashing down all around me sooner or later, maybe not.) Bossy voice type, you know.
• Xymena: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/76599 (for the vampire owner content). Not into vampires too much, normally. Especially the cutie versions. She, however ... is different.

 

One of these days I ought to quit fooling around with trying out mod combos, get rid of the restart syndrome that comes with that, and actually try to play the game again.

 

Right. Who am I fooling.

Thanks for the input. I have to use immersion. It has to be believable, and my issue with this and other mods of a similar category. They just aren't believable. Me running up to Lydia begging her to take ownership of me, while she's yelling "honor to you my thane" I'ts not believable. 

 

 

EDIT: I can't even start DF. In my mind, I can never answer the question....."What even justifies this relationship?" It becomes very clear very early, that the DF is trying to lie, cheat, steal and swindle you.

 

I can't get past....

 

PC "What? You trying to cheat me out of money? It's time to part ways"

DF "What about my share?"

PC "Your share, is that I let you leave with your limbs still attached. Leave!...NOW!"

[blahity]

6 hours ago, bishlapped said:

So I am just curious...

Which followers tend to be everyone's favorite for this mod?

Is there an immersion factor with how you pick the follower? Do you go just by looks? you use like picking one with a dominant personality or the best looking one? A big imposing follower or maybe a weaker looking one?

Trying out this mod with Serana Dialogue Edit/Overhaul. Seems like a perfect fit.

[KloverCrown]

On 2/22/2021 at 7:30 PM, HexBolt8 said:

The other mod is probably doing UnequipAll, which is a bad thing to do to Devious Devices.  You'll probably find that you can equip a different collar, but not the one you were previously wearing.  If possible, go to an earlier save and avoid that event.

 

If you can't go back, you can probably clear the problem this way:

Quick save, for safety.

Move everything in your inventory into a container, ignoring quest items, of course,

In console:  "Player.RemoveAllItems"

Take all from the container.

 

I don't think so.  This mod's installation is straightforward.  You didn't mention DD but I assume that you checked that too, and that it's at least 4.3.  I can only offer general advice about MCMs that would apply to any mod.

 

Depending on how your mod manager works, be sure that you don't have old Sub Lola files in an override folder.

 

Try "setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1" in the console, and wait a minute.

 

Enter any other mod's MCM menu, then exit and wait a minute.

 

Reinstall SkyUI.  This has actually worked for some players.

I FINALLY FOUND THE ISSUE!

 

So i spent the remainder of today reinstalling Skyrim and cleaning out the mods, turns out that i forgot to install ZAP 8+. But it finally works and i can actually complete more with this mod. Thank you for helping! ❤️

[Vbarding]

I noticed an issue that just seems to have started with the last  update (but maybe isn't related).  During the inn sleeping event, it seems to get stuck with the player on an AI control or something - so even after waking up, the player seems stuck with the follower.  Eventually you get back control, but if the follower gets too far away the player gets teleported back to them.  It also seems like other animation/events are broken by this (for example before triggering a sleep event, things like milk pumps for MME work, but after the player is stuck attached to the follower, things like that are broken too - but only after that event is triggered).  

 

Is that something new or possibly related to something else?  Pretty sure the only thing I updated in the last week was the new version of this.

[CaptainJ03]

7 hours ago, blahity said:

Trying out this mod with Serana Dialogue Edit/Overhaul. Seems like a perfect fit.

Are you aware that Serana has her own AI package? IIRC you cannot even ask her for a Strong Hand, and you shouldn't console-add her to the right faction until you've finished that vampire business. Though she becomes a boring standard follower afterwards, she might still have issues.

[zhuguannan123]

Hi, I wonder if this mod has a SSE version cuz folks told me the SSE now contains 90% of good mods of skyrim so I'm considering making a new install

[CaptainJ03]

3 hours ago, zhuguannan123 said:

Hi, I wonder if this mod has a SSE version cuz folks told me the SSE now contains 90% of good mods of skyrim so I'm considering making a new install

No, it hasn't, and it's not planned to make an SE version - because it's compatible. Which is what it says in the title. And in the description.

 

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[Buridan]

19 hours ago, bishlapped said:

So I am just curious...

Which followers tend to be everyone's favorite for this mod?

Is there an immersion factor with how you pick the follower? Do you go just by looks? you use like picking one with a dominant personality or the best looking one? A big imposing follower or maybe a weaker looking one?

 

When I pick someone I try to imagine a plausible psychological backstory for this dynamic. IMO being physically imposing is not as important as them being arrogant and self-assured.

 

For instance, Uthgerd the Unbroken, who is obsessed with strength and dominance, and contemptuous of the weak and submissive. Has a natural desire to impose her will on a submissive. Probably works better with a male Lola because then there's that gender angle that's part of her vanilla character, but I did it with a female Lola. I also tried with Harrald, the son of the Riften jarl (the one sulking in the courtyard who asks you to fetch his sword). The idea with that being that he's a spoiled lordling pushing his servant around.

 

I also want to try SubLola runs with Gorr (pit fighter guy who's super into horker stew, Sleeping Giant) and Larkspur (casanova former bandit, Whiterun jail) from Interesting NPCs, as well as someone mean like Nazeem or Belethor at some point.

[blahity]

6 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Are you aware that Serana has her own AI package? IIRC you cannot even ask her for a Strong Hand, and you shouldn't console-add her to the right faction until you've finished that vampire business. Though she becomes a boring standard follower afterwards, she might still have issues.

i was not aware of that. Spent the day cleaning up mod list and haven't got the dawnguard quest yet. I'll try her out maybe even see if it works better after dawnguard is done. If not there's plenty of sexy followers on the nexus.

@HexBolt8 Any chance of getting a Json file for Master comments eventually? It would be nice to spice up their random comments a bit!

[Starbrow65]

24 minutes ago, Buridan said:

 

When I pick someone I try to imagine a plausible psychological backstory for this dynamic. IMO being physically imposing is not as important as them being arrogant and self-assured.

 

For instance, Uthgerd the Unbroken, who is obsessed with strength and dominance, and contemptuous of the weak and submissive. Has a natural desire to impose her will on a submissive. Probably works better with a male Lola because then there's that gender angle that's part of her vanilla character, but I did it with a female Lola. I also tried with Harrald, the son of the Riften jarl (the one sulking in the courtyard who asks you to fetch his sword). The idea with that being that he's a spoiled lordling pushing his servant around.

 

I also want to try SubLola runs with Gorr (pit fighter guy who's super into horker stew, Sleeping Giant) and Larkspur (casanova former bandit, Whiterun jail) from Interesting NPCs, as well as someone mean like Nazeem or Belethor at some point.

It's mostly up to that versatile story mod editor between our ears, isn't it? It's the tool that links all the endless combinations between PC builds and followers and the mechanics of SLTR or other mods.

 

I agree with both of you in that a Lola or DFC follower has to make some sense for me - which particular sense depending on the kind of PC you've designed. So if I play a badass Dragonborn warrior fuz-roh-dah'ing her way around Skyrim, warrior type followers like the housecarls or that modified Lyris from my earlier post are NOT my choice, as they can't plausibly compare in sheer power to that kind of PC. Therefore I go for the 'supernatural' type like Neve or Aumriel. Aforementioned story editor then does the explaining, like "They're much more ancient and cunning and subtle than your straightforward badass heroine and use their supernatural powers to slowly gain control" or something like that.

 

If I get the feeling that a current PC just isn't the type to submit to anyone, never ever, I don't use SLTR etc at all. Or I rely on, say, Defeat or so to send the PC to Simple Slavery and play a usually very brief and rebellious episode where a wannabe-Mistress tries to establish dominance but ... You get it.

 

I recently had a game where an Alternative Start merchant PC fell under the imposing influence of two physically superior companions simultaneously (Garona from "Troubles of Heroine" and badass tank Lyris, for the Lola part). Not a Dragonborn PC at all, pretty weak and meek, and thus simply intimidated into discovering her slumbering submissiveness. So, different choice of scenario, different choice of follower.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Buridan said:

 

When I pick someone I try to imagine a plausible psychological backstory for this dynamic. IMO being physically imposing is not as important as them being arrogant and self-assured.

 

For instance, Uthgerd the Unbroken, who is obsessed with strength and dominance, and contemptuous of the weak and submissive. Has a natural desire to impose her will on a submissive. Probably works better with a male Lola because then there's that gender angle that's part of her vanilla character, but I did it with a female Lola. I also tried with Harrald, the son of the Riften jarl (the one sulking in the courtyard who asks you to fetch his sword). The idea with that being that he's a spoiled lordling pushing his servant around.

 

I also want to try SubLola runs with Gorr (pit fighter guy who's super into horker stew, Sleeping Giant) and Larkspur (casanova former bandit, Whiterun jail) from Interesting NPCs, as well as someone mean like Nazeem or Belethor at some point.

My issue is I play a male PC.  Can't get into a female player. So I really don't get to experience these types of mods. I also don't play my PC as a sub looking for a mistress. I play as the kind of "guy" you would expect as a new adventurer. So it's exactly as you said "a plausible psychological backstory". Since I don't play as a sub looking to be enslaved, My issue is that, eventually, the player becomes too powerful. So, in my mind Staying  a D/S relationship willingly, becomes hard to wrap my head around. So I came up with another possibility. A "Tickster" type. Pranking, teasing, constantly luring the PC into no-win situations. That follower could be any physique and voice type, and doesn't require the follower to maintain a higher power level than the PC. But that means, I'll have to redo a lot of the mods dialogue.

[HexBolt8]

9 hours ago, Vbarding said:

I noticed an issue that just seems to have started with the last  update (but maybe isn't related).

The last update only affected dancing, and added a condition for starting a quest.  There's nothing that would make your character follow your follower.

 

6 hours ago, zhuguannan123 said:

I wonder if this mod has a SSE version cuz folks told me the SSE now contains 90% of good mods of skyrim so I'm considering making a new install

As CaptainJ03 (and the mod page) said, this mod works with both versions of Skyrim.  Switching to SE is a personal choice, mainly worthwhile if you're having stability or performance problems that you can't resolve.  I'm on LE and my game is fast and stable.  Anyway, you can use this mod on either version.

 

1 hour ago, Buridan said:

When I pick someone I try to imagine a plausible psychological backstory for this dynamic. IMO being physically imposing is not as important as them being arrogant and self-assured.

Mainly this for me, a personality that likes to be in control.  For variety, I try something different each game.  I favor custom followers because they don't come with annoying chatter, and I can write their background and personality.

[HexBolt8]

29 minutes ago, blahity said:

Any chance of getting a Json file for Master comments eventually?

No.  Skyrim doesn't allow NPC dialog to be customized.  I assume that it's because all dialog in official content is voiced.  I'm hoping that we won't lose variable player character dialog in TES6. 

 

38 minutes ago, bishlapped said:

Can't get into a female player.

A lot of male players just can't.  If it helps, don't think of a female character as "that's me", think of her as the heroine of a story you're writing, or the lead actress in a movie you're directing.

 

41 minutes ago, bishlapped said:

I don't play as a sub looking to be enslaved, My issue is that, eventually, the player becomes too powerful.

It's often not about that kind of power.  Imagine that your guy encounters a lady who's physically weak and perhaps not a great adventurer.  But he's infatuated with her and wants to please her.  She's strong willed, persuasive, and likes to be in control.  Once he gets in the pattern of doing what she says she wants him to do, her dominance in the relationship is established.  Then one day she offers to let him try a collar, just for a few days.

[zhuguannan123]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

As CaptainJ03 (and the mod page) said, this mod works with both versions of Skyrim.  Switching to SE is a personal choice, mainly worthwhile if you're having stability or performance problems that you can't resolve.  I'm on LE and my game is fast and stable.  Anyway, you can use this mod on either version.

Many thanks!

Also, does this mod have some sort of scanning function? I'm pretty sure something is draining my frame rates, it happened once before, and it was gone when I restarted the main quest

[HexBolt8]

27 minutes ago, zhuguannan123 said:

Also, does this mod have some sort of scanning function? I'm pretty sure something is draining my frame rates, it happened once before, and it was gone when I restarted the main quest

It periodically checks your status, and that you're wearing the collar and any required devices, things like that.  It shouldn't be a big load on the game, though.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

It's often not about that kind of power.  Imagine that your guy encounters a lady who's physically weak and perhaps not a great adventurer.  But he's infatuated with her and wants to please her.  She's strong willed, persuasive, and likes to be in control.  Once he gets in the pattern of doing what she says she wants him to do, her dominance in the relationship is established.  Then one day she offers to let him try a collar, just for a few days.

Ok...maybe......But only if it's my FO4 follower. (If only I could get her into Skyrim)

 

This one, I'd submit to. LOL

 

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[MyNameIsnt]

On 2/23/2021 at 11:56 AM, bishlapped said:

So I am just curious...

Which followers tend to be everyone's favorite for this mod?

Is there an immersion factor with how you pick the follower? Do you go just by looks? you use like picking one with a dominant personality or the best looking one? A big imposing follower or maybe a weaker looking one?

 

I like to play strong women characters that are skilled fighters and compassionate.  I actually use characters from ToH and roleplay scenarios from that.

 

For example, my current playthrough has a strong imperial mercenary showing compassion to a beggar in Solitude. The beggar has a silver tongue and slowly convinces her to go down the Devious Followers path to make her reliant on him before switching over to Sub Lola.

[cerebus300]

20 hours ago, bishlapped said:

I can't even start DF. In my mind, I can never answer the question....."What even justifies this relationship?" It becomes very clear very early, that the DF is trying to lie, cheat, steal and swindle you.

I have started using Devious Survival, and that mod actually does the justification for you. In a misogynist society (as constructed by DS) you aren't allowed to be wandering around on your own, so you can't leave a city without having an escort. The escorts aren't going to do it for free and are probably going to exploit you for everything you are worth, especially if they see you as stupid and weak. It works for me anyway, at least for the moment.

[Sgt. Jenkins]

5 hours ago, Buridan said:

 

When I pick someone I try to imagine a plausible psychological backstory for this dynamic. IMO being physically imposing is not as important as them being arrogant and self-assured.

 

I personally found that Marcurio works pretty well in that regard. The guy oozes arrogance, and he has enough magical knowledge and skill to make some of the stuff he does seem plausible. 

[Vbarding]

5 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

The last update only affected dancing, and added a condition for starting a quest.  There's nothing that would make your character follow your follower.

 

Thanks for the quick response, after your post, I realized this is actually one of the additional rules that is part of the extension, not the main mod.  So I'll likely need to follow up there instead.