Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

26 minutes ago, SkyAddiction said:

Inns, homes, and encounter mods tend to be the culprits. Some of them have been an absolute mess better removed entirely, others just need simple deletions in xEdit or the CK.

Agreed.  I've seen house mods that apparently were based on a mod with a house in one place, then the author moved the house somewhere completely different but left the original location edits.

 

Worse, the original location might have copied a location from Riverwood, but the author didn't remove the Riverwood references, so you have a house in an isolated area that causes its surrounding cell to register as being within Riverwood's city limits.  If that author (or another who used this as a starting point) moves the house elsewhere but leaves that messy location edit, you have an empty section of terrain that says it's inside Riverwood.

 

I can't fix bad data from messy mods, but I can filter out developer mistakes or oddities like hidden civil war attack locations.  For places that are especially problematic, like the large city limit around Whiterun, I've arranged for the meadery to sell whatever you need while Run Lola Run is active.

[CaptainJ03]

Not sure if it's a bug, an oversight or just unexpected behavior.

Lola was told to let the people Sample the Merchandise, but she didn't feel like having sex and ignored that.

After an hour she succesfully failed the task, the submission score went in one of those directions (difficult to tell above 80) - and that's it. She didn't get zapped or scolded, just got a message in the top left corner that she could ask her Mistress if she wants something.

[IBAGadget]

11 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I'm not aware of a Riverwood location halfway between the village and Whiterun, but there is an invisible civil war location there that can trigger Run Lola Run (but not making a meal, because the location is linked to Whiterun, not Riverwood).  You might have been thinking about ale fetching instead?

I was on the road leading up the hill behind Honningbrew meadery, about halfway to the first turn and she wanted me to make her a meal. I was traveling from Riverwood to whiterun and hadn't yet hit the 4-way intersection.
I've also had to fetch her a drink while we were on the road near the atronach stone between whiterun and valtheim tower. Drink fetching is not so bad, because I typically pack around a small bar's worth of booze for her while travelling. meal making is a lot harder.

 

I'll turn domestic events on in my current playthrough and see if I can get something to happen. I'll try to grab a screenshot when it does.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Not sure if it's a bug, an oversight or just unexpected behavior.

Lola was told to let the people Sample the Merchandise, but she didn't feel like having sex and ignored that.

After an hour she succesfully failed the task, the submission score went in one of those directions (difficult to tell above 80) - and that's it. She didn't get zapped or scolded, just got a message in the top left corner that she could ask her Mistress if she wants something.

It's an oversight.  You lose 5 points but I didn't add punishment, probably because this one is so easy to do.

 

3 hours ago, IBAGadget said:

I was on the road leading up the hill behind Honningbrew meadery, about halfway to the first turn and she wanted me to make her a meal. I was traveling from Riverwood to whiterun and hadn't yet hit the 4-way intersection.

That's the section I fixed for the next update for Run Lola Run (it's between a fallen tree on the right and a large rock on the left as you head toward Whiterun), but it's linked to Whiterun, not Riverwood, so it wouldn't trigger the rustic meal event unless a mod changed the location.  There is a house mod I know of that uses a spot nearby, but that one doesn't modify the location data.

 

3 hours ago, IBAGadget said:

I've also had to fetch her a drink while we were on the road near the atronach stone between whiterun and valtheim tower.

I'll take a look there (I think that's actually the Ritual Stone) for any obvious problem.  There's no inn nearby, so that shouldn't happen.

Edited June 30 by Hex Bolt

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

10 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Not sure if it's a bug, an oversight or just unexpected behavior.

Lola was told to let the people Sample the Merchandise, but she didn't feel like having sex and ignored that.

After an hour she succesfully failed the task, the submission score went in one of those directions (difficult to tell above 80) - and that's it. She didn't get zapped or scolded, just got a message in the top left corner that she could ask her Mistress if she wants something.

 

It's an oversight.  You lose 5 points but I didn't add punishment, probably because this one is so easy to do.

 

Failing "Sample the Merchandise" has dialog now when you speak to your owner, and you receive a whipping and an increase to your next prostitution quota in addition to the current penalty of losing 5 score points.  This one's really hard to fail by accident, but if you do it intentionally, you'll be sorry.

 

I should have enough content for a small update soon.  I need to do some testing of a couple of minor new things.

[ganluchun]

Your work has made me very happy lately. I played for dozens of hours and lived as a slave for over fifty days, during which I changed several masters. Thank you, I bow to you.
Now I am looking forward to you creating a new batch of masters instead of selecting one from NPCs. But maybe you don't want to make NPCs, otherwise you would have made them long ago.
Why can only one owner be present at a time? If you have multiple owners at the same time, you may be very busy and afraid of not successfully serving all the owners. Would you consider this feature?
If anyone could give her orders and affect her score, would it be very challenging? For example, becoming a city pet. And receive a sum of money based on performance after completing the contract.

[ChibiUser]

On 6/29/2026 at 8:18 PM, Hex Bolt said:

I believe that's true for all the vanilla homes.  I just didn't want to add a long list of conditions to the event to include each one (I don't believe that any start with an active cooking pot).
 

You could treat the demand as a non-subtle hint that the place's state is not acceptable.  You did choose to take the owner inside before the place was ready.  You might have the owner wait outside an upgradable home until it's presentable.

 

For Breezehome, a cooking pot is available across the street at The Drunken Huntsman, so even if you forget, you can still easily complete the task within the time limit.

Fair enough!

[Hex Bolt]

36 minutes ago, ganluchun said:

Your work has made me very happy lately. I played for dozens of hours and lived as a slave for over fifty days, during which I changed several masters. Thank you, I bow to you.

I glad you've enjoyed it so much!

 

36 minutes ago, ganluchun said:

Now I am looking forward to you creating a new batch of masters instead of selecting one from NPCs. But maybe you don't want to make NPCs, otherwise you would have made them long ago.

Right, I'm no good at making pretty faces, and there are many mods that do that well.

 

38 minutes ago, ganluchun said:

Why can only one owner be present at a time?

The mod was designed for one owner, and everything has been built that way (the same applies to one playmate).  All the references are for a single character, not a group or faction.  Changing that isn't practical.

 

You could simulate having two or more owners by manually switching the owner between followers at the start of each day.  Since longer tasks (like prostitution or Tomb Raider) remember which character gave you that assignment, you would report your success (or failure) to that character rather than the current owner.  That would be a little like having multiple owners.

 

51 minutes ago, ganluchun said:

If anyone could give her orders and affect her score, would it be very challenging? For example, becoming a city pet. And receive a sum of money based on performance after completing the contract.

That's not practical here because of the single owner design.  The Public Whore mod probably comes closest to what you're describing, but I believe it's limited to just sex, and personally, I don't think your owner would want to share your body with others if the jarl is getting your earnings.

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, ganluchun said:

Why can only one owner be present at a time? If you have multiple owners at the same time, you may be very busy and afraid of not successfully serving all the owners.

With a Follower Framework like NFF you can have multiple followers. You can use other mods like Devious Followers for the second, and if you have the patience to set it up, Binding for a third. Lola would be very busy (and very much in bondage)

You should try the other mods at length on their own before trying a multipe master setup. None of that is just install and play.

[CaptainJ03]

Came across another lapse. Nothing serious, but as you're working on an update anyway...

 

The Pony Express may start in any location in the city, but ends in the tavern. Above score 50 Lola isn't allowed clothes in the tavern, so the Event ends, Lola automatically gets dressed, just to get the notification that she's wearing forbidden items an get undressed right away (still caught in the dialogue, even if I'd rememberd I'd had no chance to undress manually.)

Nothing further happened, I just thought that you might want to catch if Lola is even allowed to dress before the auto-dress starts. That wasn't necessary when the event was only starting in the tavern anyway.

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

The Pony Express may start in any location in the city, but ends in the tavern. Above score 50 Lola isn't allowed clothes in the tavern, so the Event ends, Lola automatically gets dressed, just to get the notification that she's wearing forbidden items an get undressed right away (still caught in the dialogue, even if I'd rememberd I'd had no chance to undress manually.)

Nothing further happened, I just thought that you might want to catch if Lola is even allowed to dress before the auto-dress starts. That wasn't necessary when the event was only starting in the tavern anyway.

Good catch.  Yes, the evolution of the starting conditions made the redressing problem easy to miss.  This one should be simple enough to fix.  Thank you for reporting this.  Consider it done, but it probably won't appear in the change notes.

Edited Wednesday at 05:54 PM by Hex Bolt

[Hex Bolt]

Book Collection Idea

 

Thoughts on this concept?

 

Spoiler

There would be a set of Bondage Sex Stories (or Bondage Adventure Stories, or Bondage Adventure Sex Stories) books to collect, probably around a dozen.  I don't have unique cover art or stories, but the books would use the same model and look like a set on a bookshelf.

 

I don't care for scavenger hunts.  After you've done it once, you know where everything is, and if it's random, it seems unreasonable to find these in a chest in a draugr crypt where all the other books are ruined.  So, these are recent books, sometimes stocked by the three vanilla Khajiit caravans.

 

The books might only be available with traders while you're a slave, because that's when this mod's main script is running.  This keeps you from collecting and hoarding them for use all at once later.  On the other hand, the Strong Hand script could handle distributing the books with very little processing.  That would allow hoarding, but it's exactly the kind of stuff someone would be interested in after reading Submissive Lola.

 

Each caravan has a separate chance to have one of the storybooks, randomly selected.  It's possible that all three might have a book.  The one in stock sometimes gets replaced by another randomly selected storybook, so there's never more than one in stock.  Eventually, you should find them all if you keep checking.

 

Reading a book will have a minor benefit appropriate for bondage adventures and this mod (it should NOT do anything that makes your character stronger).  You'll get a small bonus per book read to satisfaction with sex with your owner or playmate, or consensual rough sex with anyone.  Satisfaction increases the amount that arousal decreases after sex.  Keeping your arousal down is beneficial when you can't choose when to have sex (or if Masturbation Denial is active, to use self-relief).  You can only benefit from reading a volume in the set once.

 

The hard question is, what would giving a storybook to your owner do?  I don't want it to be a major source of score increase.  You'd maybe get one point.  I considered having gifting a storybook satisfy the Tomb Raider quest, but I assume that owners frequently search Lola's stuff and take anything interesting, so conceptually, saving a book to use later shouldn't work.

 

We don't want for gifts to make an owner kind and generous.  You use this mod to be bossed around, and that should continue.  The best idea I came up with is a downward modifier to the "hard to please owner" setting.  Owners don't become nicer after receiving gifts, but perhaps they're less likely to be unreasonable.  I don't know how many players use that setting, but this would give an incentive to set it above zero and then need to find and gift the books to make your owner less mercurial.

 

Whatever the benefit, the owner will remember which books you gave (you can't give the same volume more than once), even if you later become reenslaved by that follower.  Also, you can only gift a copy of a book once.  When you give the book, it disappears, and you'll receive a "used" copy that looks the same (fine for bookshelf display) but is not eligible as a gift.  Apparently, owners are rough on erotic books.  You can't collect a set to give to multiple owners, but caravans will continue to stock them, so you can keep collecting them.

 

Of course, some players will simply enjoy collecting rare items in itself or giving presents without a reward.

 

The books would be more interesting with attractive cover art (the Submissive Lola book cover was about as much as I think I can do), though you won't see it when it's on a bookshelf and you won't find the books placed in the world to be seen, so maybe it doesn't much matter.

 

Actual stories would help a lot, but I don't know that I can produce something good enough (I have some fun story ideas, but story writing is a talent).  Maybe AI is a possibility.  I tried ChapGPT.  I did coax it into writing a bondage story, but it warned me that it wouldn't be "erotic" or "arousing", and indeed it was not.  In fact, it missed no opportunity to remind the reader that this is safe, consensual, light bondage where nothing much happens, certainly no sex, and there was a lot of talking about feelings.  I wasn't looking for anything extreme, violent, or really even nonconsensual, but this was much too bland.  Perhaps someone can recommend a free AI that will do better.  If can feed an AI some story ideas and get something useful, the books could have stories.

 

[Polyleritae]

14 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Book Collection Idea

 

Thoughts on this concept?

 

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There would be a set of Bondage Sex Stories (or Bondage Adventure Stories, or Bondage Adventure Sex Stories) books to collect, probably around a dozen.  I don't have unique cover art or stories, but the books would use the same model and look like a set on a bookshelf.

 

I don't care for scavenger hunts.  After you've done it once, you know where everything is, and if it's random, it seems unreasonable to find these in a chest in a draugr crypt where all the other books are ruined.  So, these are recent books, sometimes stocked by the three vanilla Khajiit caravans.

 

The books might only be available with traders while you're a slave, because that's when this mod's main script is running.  This keeps you from collecting and hoarding them for use all at once later.  On the other hand, the Strong Hand script could handle distributing the books with very little processing.  That would allow hoarding, but it's exactly the kind of stuff someone would be interested in after reading Submissive Lola.

 

Each caravan has a separate chance to have one of the storybooks, randomly selected.  It's possible that all three might have a book.  The one in stock sometimes gets replaced by another randomly selected storybook, so there's never more than one in stock.  Eventually, you should find them all if you keep checking.

 

Reading a book will have a minor benefit appropriate for bondage adventures and this mod (it should NOT do anything that makes your character stronger).  You'll get a small bonus per book read to satisfaction with sex with your owner or playmate, or consensual rough sex with anyone.  Satisfaction increases the amount that arousal decreases after sex.  Keeping your arousal down is beneficial when you can't choose when to have sex (or if Masturbation Denial is active, to use self-relief).  You can only benefit from reading a volume in the set once.

 

The hard question is, what would giving a storybook to your owner do?  I don't want it to be a major source of score increase.  You'd maybe get one point.  I considered having gifting a storybook satisfy the Tomb Raider quest, but I assume that owners frequently search Lola's stuff and take anything interesting, so conceptually, saving a book to use later shouldn't work.

 

We don't want for gifts to make an owner kind and generous.  You use this mod to be bossed around, and that should continue.  The best idea I came up with is a downward modifier to the "hard to please owner" setting.  Owners don't become nicer after receiving gifts, but perhaps they're less likely to be unreasonable.  I don't know how many players use that setting, but this would give an incentive to set it above zero and then need to find and gift the books to make your owner less mercurial.

 

Whatever the benefit, the owner will remember which books you gave (you can't give the same volume more than once), even if you later become reenslaved by that follower.  Also, you can only gift a copy of a book once.  When you give the book, it disappears, and you'll receive a "used" copy that looks the same (fine for bookshelf display) but is not eligible as a gift.  Apparently, owners are rough on erotic books.  You can't collect a set to give to multiple owners, but caravans will continue to stock them, so you can keep collecting them.

 

Of course, some players will simply enjoy collecting rare items in itself or giving presents without a reward.

 

The books would be more interesting with attractive cover art (the Submissive Lola book cover was about as much as I think I can do), though you won't see it when it's on a bookshelf and you won't find the books placed in the world to be seen, so maybe it doesn't much matter.

 

Actual stories would help a lot, but I don't know that I can produce something good enough (I have some fun story ideas, but story writing is a talent).  Maybe AI is a possibility.  I tried ChapGPT.  I did coax it into writing a bondage story, but it warned me that it wouldn't be "erotic" or "arousing", and indeed it was not.  In fact, it missed no opportunity to remind the reader that this is safe, consensual, light bondage where nothing much happens, certainly no sex, and there was a lot of talking about feelings.  I wasn't looking for anything extreme, violent, or really even nonconsensual, but this was much too bland.  Perhaps someone can recommend a free AI that will do better.  If can feed an AI some story ideas and get something useful, the books could have stories.

 

 

I do think it's an interesting idea, though respectfully I am vehemently against the use of AI when it comes to creative writing, and would reconsider using the mod at all if genAI was used for this purpose. Of course, it's your choice on what to do, and I know the opinion of one ultimately insignificant person doesn't mean much.

[esdeath2331]

26 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Book Collection Idea

 

Thoughts on this concept?

 

  Hide contents

There would be a set of Bondage Sex Stories (or Bondage Adventure Stories, or Bondage Adventure Sex Stories) books to collect, probably around a dozen.  I don't have unique cover art or stories, but the books would use the same model and look like a set on a bookshelf.

 

I don't care for scavenger hunts.  After you've done it once, you know where everything is, and if it's random, it seems unreasonable to find these in a chest in a draugr crypt where all the other books are ruined.  So, these are recent books, sometimes stocked by the three vanilla Khajiit caravans.

 

The books might only be available with traders while you're a slave, because that's when this mod's main script is running.  This keeps you from collecting and hoarding them for use all at once later.  On the other hand, the Strong Hand script could handle distributing the books with very little processing.  That would allow hoarding, but it's exactly the kind of stuff someone would be interested in after reading Submissive Lola.

 

Each caravan has a separate chance to have one of the storybooks, randomly selected.  It's possible that all three might have a book.  The one in stock sometimes gets replaced by another randomly selected storybook, so there's never more than one in stock.  Eventually, you should find them all if you keep checking.

 

Reading a book will have a minor benefit appropriate for bondage adventures and this mod (it should NOT do anything that makes your character stronger).  You'll get a small bonus per book read to satisfaction with sex with your owner or playmate, or consensual rough sex with anyone.  Satisfaction increases the amount that arousal decreases after sex.  Keeping your arousal down is beneficial when you can't choose when to have sex (or if Masturbation Denial is active, to use self-relief).  You can only benefit from reading a volume in the set once.

 

The hard question is, what would giving a storybook to your owner do?  I don't want it to be a major source of score increase.  You'd maybe get one point.  I considered having gifting a storybook satisfy the Tomb Raider quest, but I assume that owners frequently search Lola's stuff and take anything interesting, so conceptually, saving a book to use later shouldn't work.

 

We don't want for gifts to make an owner kind and generous.  You use this mod to be bossed around, and that should continue.  The best idea I came up with is a downward modifier to the "hard to please owner" setting.  Owners don't become nicer after receiving gifts, but perhaps they're less likely to be unreasonable.  I don't know how many players use that setting, but this would give an incentive to set it above zero and then need to find and gift the books to make your owner less mercurial.

 

Whatever the benefit, the owner will remember which books you gave (you can't give the same volume more than once), even if you later become reenslaved by that follower.  Also, you can only gift a copy of a book once.  When you give the book, it disappears, and you'll receive a "used" copy that looks the same (fine for bookshelf display) but is not eligible as a gift.  Apparently, owners are rough on erotic books.  You can't collect a set to give to multiple owners, but caravans will continue to stock them, so you can keep collecting them.

 

Of course, some players will simply enjoy collecting rare items in itself or giving presents without a reward.

 

The books would be more interesting with attractive cover art (the Submissive Lola book cover was about as much as I think I can do), though you won't see it when it's on a bookshelf and you won't find the books placed in the world to be seen, so maybe it doesn't much matter.

 

Actual stories would help a lot, but I don't know that I can produce something good enough (I have some fun story ideas, but story writing is a talent).  Maybe AI is a possibility.  I tried ChapGPT.  I did coax it into writing a bondage story, but it warned me that it wouldn't be "erotic" or "arousing", and indeed it was not.  In fact, it missed no opportunity to remind the reader that this is safe, consensual, light bondage where nothing much happens, certainly no sex, and there was a lot of talking about feelings.  I wasn't looking for anything extreme, violent, or really even nonconsensual, but this was much too bland.  Perhaps someone can recommend a free AI that will do better.  If can feed an AI some story ideas and get something useful, the books could have stories.

 

When it comes to creating erotic stories, Grok might be the only viable option

[esdeath2331]

Do you have any plans to add more features related to orgasm control or orgasm management in the future?

At the moment, the mod does have a masturbation restriction feature based on submission score. However, after Lola’s submission goes above 50, her owner may equip her with vibrating devices, and whenever they trigger, Lola often reaches orgasm very easily. This makes the masturbation restriction feel somewhat ineffective.

Maybe this is intentional, since the mod seems designed to be relatively gentle overall. But even with a strict owner selected, the actual experience does not feel very strict to me in terms of orgasm control and denial.

[Hex Bolt]

53 minutes ago, Polyleritae said:

I do think it's an interesting idea, though respectfully I am vehemently against the use of AI when it comes to creative writing, and would reconsider using the mod at all if genAI was used for this purpose.

I understand.  AI writing can be soulless.  Nothing in this mod is AI generated, and I like it that way.  I choose every word.  However, writing stories, even short stories, takes some ability, and writing a dozen can be daunting.  That's why I mentioned it as "a possibility" for book content that the player never needs to actually read.

 

Depending on feedback, I could take a shot at writing stories, gradually adding content over months.  I have two good ideas for the books.  I can write them, but not in the depth that I'd prefer.  There's writing that pulls the reader along, and there's writing that feels like a plot outline.  I'm not sure where I fit in that spectrum.  I've considered help from others on this site, of course, but it would be quite awkward if the work is poor quality or just doesn't fit the concept and I have to reject it.

 

Or, the books could just have placeholder text for now.  I rarely reread many of the vanilla books; at this point, they might as well be empty.

 

Introducing the books and adding the minor bonuses is pretty easy, so I was looking at this as fairly minor effort.  I was mainly concerned that it might seem too shallow and perhaps should wait for more content or a better concept.

Edited Thursday at 03:51 AM by Hex Bolt

[Hex Bolt]

17 minutes ago, esdeath2331 said:

Do you have any plans to add more features related to orgasm control or orgasm management in the future?

At the moment, the mod does have a masturbation restriction feature based on submission score. However, after Lola’s submission goes above 50, her owner may equip her with vibrating devices, and whenever they trigger, Lola often reaches orgasm very easily. This makes the masturbation restriction feel somewhat ineffective.

Maybe this is intentional, since the mod seems designed to be relatively gentle overall. But even with a strict owner selected, the actual experience does not feel very strict to me in terms of orgasm control and denial.

I don't have any specific plans for this.

 

The vibrating piercings from this mod shouldn't induce orgasms on their own (other than the forced orgasm event), because they only trigger when you're below a threshold*.  I guess if you set the threshold to 100 you'd get that, but the idea is just to keep you above 20 or so.

 

* Okay, DD's vibration event can do it, but I recommend setting that to zero so you're only getting stimulated by the owner.

 

There is a vibrating device that I made for my own use, but it doesn't (and is not intended to) leave the wearer stuck at high arousal.  It's nothing particularly unusual, though, and it doesn't prevent orgasms, just a bit of fun for one specific owner.

Edited Thursday at 03:35 AM by Hex Bolt

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Book Collection Idea

 

Thoughts on this concept?

I like the idea to have an ongoing quest. Reducing the "hard to please owner" setting is a nice idea. Normally I have that setting at a marginal 5%, but for my current owner it's higher, so lowering that with in-game methods would be nice.

 

Concerning story writing - I don't like reading in game much. Yes, I only use the vanilla setting for the in-game font, and stumbling through that is a drag. I'm a fast reader in normal circumstances, but reading in Skyrim feels to be back at primary school, struggling with every sentence. So in my opinion: don't bother.

[IBAGadget]

more collectible stuff? 

 

yes please.

[Anunya]

I like the idea for sure.

 

Here are some brainstorming ideas, not overly structured:

 

Finding the Books

• The caravan Khajit idea solves the challenge pretty neatly. A possible variation could be that the Khajit (sometimes or alternately) says they know where a book is, triggering a radiant quest with a quest marker. That way you'll sometimes have to put some extra effort to obtain the book. I'm thinking along the lines of there being someone who has a copy they might be willing to part with and the PC can chose to try to steal it, buy it, or perform a favour for the current owner of the volume.
• I think the Khajit should make appropriate comments during the interaction. Perhaps the first time the PC talk to the Khajit merchant with a book in inventory they offer it to the PC - "I have something I think you'd like. You seem the type." In future interactions the PC will have to ask if there are other books available. Whether there is or not, the Khajit merchant will make an appropriate comment.
• Personally, I like the idea of these books being available prior to the PC having read Submissive Lola, as a soft lead in. After having bought some number of the Bondage Sex Stories, the Khajit merchant offers a copy of Submissive Lola for sale.
• Alternately, maybe the Khajit merchant can be another method of bringing the original Submissive Lola book into the PC's hand. Maybe there's a chance to book is in their merchant inventory (or that they offer it in a conversation).

Results of Giving a Book to Your Master

• It'll be a bit of a balance between being able to manipulate the master subtly by gifting the book. My idea to counter that would be to add a bit of randomness, so you don't know how your master will react. This could be purely random or based on some of the many parameters already in the mod.
• It might also be interesting to break the response into two parts, the first part a reaction to being given the book, and the second part a reaction to having read the book (perhaps a random number of hours or days later).
  • Reactions to getting the book could include things like:
    • Taking it badly, get a score drop
    • Taking it nicely, getting a reward whipping.
    • "Don't try to distract me", immediately trigger some sub-Lola task or event (perhaps one that's outside of current parameters)
      • "I don't care to read about sex, I prefer the real thing...",
      • "I hate reading on an empty stomach, cook me a meal",
      • "What's this? We don't have time for reading, we should go adventuring",
      • "A book about whores? That reminds me, I should put you to work...",
      • "Oh I know what that one's about, it's about [theme of book]. You should wear a [devious device] just like the girl in the book!" [equip DD for a little while],
      • ... in general if there's a theme to each book, a reaction matching that theme could be fun.
  • Later, having read the book the Master might react in one of these ways:
    • "That was a great read. Really inspiring." [Master has a higher baseline arousal and now requires sex more times a day than usual for the next several days]
    • "You really are committing to being my slave." [Submission increase and/ or contract extension]
    • "That book was pretty good... I should re-read it" [He keeps the book for a few more days and is distracted, your submission score takes a hit, and he requires one less instance of service for the period]
    • "You should study this book. You'll find it educational" [Over the next few days you'll receive pop-quiz questions on the content, with submission score drop/increases based on whether you get them right]
    • "The book wasn't bad. One detail I really liked was..." [You get a timed fetch quest like Run Lola Run, only it's for an item mentioned in the book placed at nearby vendor; if it's wearable, you'll have to wear it afterwards]
    • "She was always naked in the book... that's the way it should be" [Trigger or extends the nudity rule]

[shrtjsrtj]

Maybe the books could also unlock quests without needing to meet the score threshold? e.g. you find a story that involves piercings and now that it's on the mind for both you and the owner, it can come up as an option regardless of your score. A descriptive title or a synopsis would be all that's needed for the actual books so no need to write the stories, maybe each book could have multiple themes to randomize things a bit.

 

As for AI writing, from my very little dabbling with it you probably need to download local models that are uncensored from sites like huggingface. They use terms like Heretic, Abliterated or Obliterated to show they're uncensored and places like Reddit aren't terrible for info on models. Even then my experience wasn't great so I gave up relatively quick on it.

[SkyAddiction]

5 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I understand.  AI writing can be soulless.  Nothing in this mod is AI generated, and I like it that way.  I choose every word.  However, writing stories, even short stories, takes some ability, and writing a dozen can be daunting.  That's why I mentioned it as "a possibility" for book content that the player never needs to actually read.

 

Depending on feedback, I could take a shot at writing stories, gradually adding content over months.  I have two good ideas for the books.  I can write them, but not in the depth that I'd prefer.  There's writing that pulls the reader along, and there's writing that feels like a plot outline.  I'm not sure where I fit in that spectrum.  I've considered help from others on this site, of course, but it would be quite awkward if the work is poor quality or just doesn't fit the concept and I have to reject it.

 

Or, the books could just have placeholder text for now.  I rarely reread many of the vanilla books; at this point, they might as well be empty.

 

Introducing the books and adding the minor bonuses is pretty easy, so I was looking at this as fairly minor effort.  I was mainly concerned that it might seem too shallow and perhaps should wait for more content or a better concept.

 

You're underselling your ability as a writer. I do work in the fiction field for a living and I think you'd do just fine.

 

I would suggest outlining your ideas for a story or stories and work from there. I do more editing than writing and failing to outline is probably the single most common mistake aspiring writers make.

I'd also suggest narrowing the scope. Don't write 12 long stories, but one or two short stories and use the books as chapter breaks. Skyrim lore writers literally did this (see The Real Berenziah) all the time, so it would fit thematically as well. Another way to tackle it is as a series of vignettes using the same character, with each book a small, self-contained scene.

And whatever you do, don't force yourself to write; work when the inspiration comes and write down the ideas as they come. Keep notes on a small pad or your phone and collect them later. You'd be surprised how quickly they can pile up.

 

Just add some empty books, like "Adventures of a Bondage Slave", vols 1-6. Add the content when you feel like you have something worth adding. In the end, it'll probably be less work than you think, but also take longer than you think.

[Psalam]

13 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I understand.  AI writing can be soulless.  Nothing in this mod is AI generated, and I like it that way.  I choose every word.  However, writing stories, even short stories, takes some ability, and writing a dozen can be daunting.  That's why I mentioned it as "a possibility" for book content that the player never needs to actually read.

 

Depending on feedback, I could take a shot at writing stories, gradually adding content over months.  I have two good ideas for the books.  I can write them, but not in the depth that I'd prefer.  There's writing that pulls the reader along, and there's writing that feels like a plot outline.  I'm not sure where I fit in that spectrum.  I've considered help from others on this site, of course, but it would be quite awkward if the work is poor quality or just doesn't fit the concept and I have to reject it.

 

Or, the books could just have placeholder text for now.  I rarely reread many of the vanilla books; at this point, they might as well be empty.

 

Introducing the books and adding the minor bonuses is pretty easy, so I was looking at this as fairly minor effort.  I was mainly concerned that it might seem too shallow and perhaps should wait for more content or a better concept.

I think this is a great idea! I would like to suggest doing follow up volumes of Submissive Lola (preferably with better titles than SL II, SL III, etc.). They could each focus on a specific aspect of Lola's situation or training and any minor perk would then reflect what was "learned" from the book. 

 

The perk could also be temporary. Then, the book would act like a spell book. It would be consumed when read and give Lola a "boost" for a limited period (a week?). This means the same one could be reused. Alternatively, it could be like a Skill book and once that book is read any other copy no longer gives a bonus. Then another book could be sought. If you like, you could even have them be like the vanilla Skill books in that you can have three or four different tomes, with different names and text, that give the same "boost". This latter would allow for you to create more text for a longer storyline - if that's what you want.

[Hex Bolt]

13 hours ago, shrtjsrtj said:

Maybe the books could also unlock quests without needing to meet the score threshold? e.g. you find a story that involves piercings and now that it's on the mind for both you and the owner, it can come up as an option regardless of your score.

I prefer not to undercut the existing progression, or you won't see new things as score increases.  For the piercings specifically, you could just find, buy, or give yourself some that vibrate and are Lively or Very Lively.  You won't get the gifting scene, but the owner will vibrate them if you're wearing them.  The ones that SLTR uses are "Jeweled Piercings (Nipples) (Common Soulgem)" [xx014925] and "Jeweled Piercings (Clitoral) (Common Soulgem)" [xx014923].

 

However, extending your idea a little, it's possible that you and the owner could have a talk about a book.  That might even have some effect, such as what the mod does now if you tell your owner that you like pain, the zap events are more frequent.

 

10 hours ago, SkyAddiction said:

I would suggest outlining your ideas for a story or stories and work from there. I do more editing than writing and failing to outline is probably the single most common mistake aspiring writers make.

Thank you for the encouragement.  Because the books will be found randomly, my intent is that any stories would be short and self-contained.  I think any writing would be easier for separate short stories.  Yes, I do outline.  I do that for quest dialog, sketching out the flow, then filling in the wording, then adjusting for consistency or trimming the length if it became too long.  Doing that in a text editor, I can see every word, much better than the CK's visual editor.  When the conversations are complete and polished, I add them to the mod.

 

7 hours ago, Psalam said:

I think this is a great idea! I would like to suggest doing follow up volumes of Submissive Lola (preferably with better titles than SL II, SL III, etc.). They could each focus on a specific aspect of Lola's situation or training and any minor perk would then reflect what was "learned" from the book. 

That would probably be separate, follow-up content.  There's an idea on my shelf that has been suggested for working with bards in each city to write Lola's story.  The two ideas might be combined.  It seems complex, though, so every time I examine that one, I put it back on the shelf.

[Hex Bolt]

14 hours ago, Anunya said:

The caravan Khajit idea solves the challenge pretty neatly. A possible variation could be that the Khajit (sometimes or alternately) says they know where a book is, triggering a radiant quest with a quest marker.

I'll note that as an idea for future content, but I chose having caravan traders sell them because that's very easy to do.

 

14 hours ago, Anunya said:

I think the Khajit should make appropriate comments during the interaction. Perhaps the first time the PC talk to the Khajit merchant with a book in inventory they offer it to the PC - "I have something I think you'd like. You seem the type." In future interactions the PC will have to ask if there are other books available. Whether there is or not, the Khajit merchant will make an appropriate comment.

Also something possible for the future.  Shorter term, I might add a random "hello" to the trader after you've bought some books.

 

14 hours ago, Anunya said:

I like the idea of these books being available prior to the PC having read Submissive Lola, as a soft lead in. After having bought some number of the Bondage Sex Stories, the Khajit merchant offers a copy of Submissive Lola for sale.

The books can't appear before reading Submissive Lola (or starting Strong Hand from the MCM), because there are no active scripts in SLTR before that (other than the MCM).  I want to keep it that way.  No load on your game until you activate the process, and even then, Strong Hand does nothing unless you've enabled Dangerous Thoughts.  Strong Hand can distribute the books with minimal overhead, and that would have a toggle.  It could well be that reading Submissive Lola sparks your interest in bondage stories.

 

14 hours ago, Anunya said:

"Oh I know what that one's about, it's about [theme of book]. You should wear a [devious device] just like the girl in the book!" [equip DD for a little while]

I like this one.  You might be left to struggle free rather than being released on a timer, so give the books at a good time and place.

 

14 hours ago, Anunya said:

"She was always naked in the book... that's the way it should be" [Trigger or extends the nudity rule]

And this one.  It could trigger the Eye Candy event.