Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Talesien]

1 hour ago, dude7189 said:

 

indeed, I did a complete new game once the extended thing was removed.

 

 

 

About that - with the new game, I tried again with Stenvard as master, stayed in Windhelm for 2 days. First day all fine and smooth. After second night, I had again issues where Master would not react to Lola's request to serve, Lola also not kneeling.

I left Windhelm eventually.. the approach for licenses from SL Survival triggered without issue. left the Windhelm area and into nature, so just Lola and master and still, when asking for service neither kneeling or reaction from the guy.

There is still something wrong 

Might also be worth checking if you've any mods that limit, when NPC's can interact with you (i.e. something like "To your face"). Usually you should face your owner when aksing to serve, so it should not interfere, but worth keeping in mind. There may be other addons that hijack or interfere with force greetings.

[belegost]

A feature I'd like to see would be white Lola devices. I usually play reduards and use white devices because they simply look best. There's white blindfold but that's it. What about white collar, white armbinder, white pony gear, white fashion slave dress, etc. Many options have only black and red and while that's fine, it gets boring quickly.

 

DD5.2 also has a new type of device, boxbinder (in several variations), which quickly became my favourite. Once you start looking into implementing DD5.2 compatibility please consider adding it as an option to selectable gear. Thanks.

[dude7189]

10 hours ago, Talesien said:

Might also be worth checking if you've any mods that limit, when NPC's can interact with you (i.e. something like "To your face"). Usually you should face your owner when aksing to serve, so it should not interfere, but worth keeping in mind. There may be other addons that hijack or interfere with force greetings.

I dont have that mod and none to my knowledge that would trigger difficulties. Lola is always facing master when speaking.

 

Is it part of the mod that the owner can force approach lola without lola interacting with him first?

Cause I had this a few times on the first day when everything else worked smoothly.

 

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That reaction is handled as a force greeting.  When you offer service and exit conversation, a few seconds pass and then the owner starts conversation with a force greeting to tell you what to do.  It's the way the mod has worked since the original version. 

Yes, that's how I worked on the first day for me too. but day 2 i would wait for 10-15 sec (that's when my patience ran out) and he and Lola would just stand and stare at each other.

 

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 I can only suggest simplifying your mod list as much as you can, especially mods that affect NPC behavior (house mods, armor mods, and things like that won't be a problem).  Unfortunately, since the problem doesn't appear right away, the usual approach of gradually adding mods into your game to see which one or ones is the problem will be difficult.  I don't know what else to suggest.

Thanks.. I had hoped not to grind through the mod list but well.. guess that's the only way to go. Thanks though for the support

Edited March 6, 2023 by dude7189

[Talesien]

4 hours ago, belegost said:

A feature I'd like to see would be white Lola devices. I usually play reduards and use white devices because they simply look best. There's white blindfold but that's it. What about white collar, white armbinder, white pony gear, white fashion slave dress, etc. Many options have only black and red and while that's fine, it gets boring quickly.

 

DD5.2 also has a new type of device, boxbinder (in several variations), which quickly became my favourite. Once you start looking into implementing DD5.2 compatibility please consider adding it as an option to selectable gear. Thanks.

+1 for the boxbinders. They look way better than armbinders or straightjackets, IMHO.

[Hex Bolt]

I'll make a note to look at adding boxbinders and white items.

[dude7189]

After some testing I found the issue. Once I removed Raven Beak Prison Remastered mod everything worked smoothly.

Thanks again for the support.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, dude7189 said:

Once I removed Raven Beak Prison Remastered mod everything worked smoothly.

Thank you for reporting the solution.  That might save someone else a lot of trouble.  It's very strange that a mod like that would conflict, but it's good to know how you solved the problem.

Edited March 6, 2023 by HexBolt8

[esdeath2331]

Hello, I find that when my hands are tied behind my back, once I want to attack, I will turn into a common fighting posture, is there any animation missing?
Also, does sexlab animation for violence need to be added? Can you tell me the name of the animation

[belegost]

On 2/15/2023 at 6:31 PM, HexBolt8 said:

I've had good success with Defeat

 

One of the quirks of Defeat and what I mean by it being notoriously unreliable, unless a very specific set of conditions is set through MCM - basically meaning that most of it's functionality has to be turned off - I neglected this part this time around since I already spent 2h in LAL cell tinkering with other MCM's and left everything on default:

 

Started new game with SLS misogyny settings for lowered stats and decided to spawn in Candelhearth Hall through LAL. Immediately had my PC talk to Stenvar to make him a master. In one of the subsequent conversations (I still haven't left the inn yet), he randomly decided whipping was a good idea to teach some submission. Two hits in, Defeat triggered, PC went into bleedout and rape scenario started. Stenvar raped the PC, a bunch of other NPC's as witnesses and Susanna and one other NPC decided to join. When Stenvar finished raping the PC, Susanna immediately proceeded to rape Stenvar, while the other NPC started raping the PC. Voldsea and Angrenor became witnesses, only they did not join the fuckfest but started to attack Susanna and the other NPC.

Needless to say everything devolved into a clusterfuck when the guards suddenly came in and sent the two into bleedout. A bunch of other NPC's decided to rape them, another bunch decided to intervene and stop them, more guards came in and the whole inn went onto chaos of simultaneous rapes, counter-rapes, bleedouts and abunch of dead non-essential bystanders. I'd have been nice to see how it all ended if not for the fact that at this point the engine gave up and the game first locked up, and then CTD.

 

Of course I forgot to save during all that time, so I was back to LAL cell and square one after this. Peak modding, right there.

Edited March 7, 2023 by belegost

[Anunya]

@belegost I know that feeling oh so well.

 

If you have MCM settings that never change (or only change a little bit) between sessions, but still have to be set manually, I recommend getting MCM Recorder. It's gotten me out the "hours in the LAL cell setting tweaking MCM settings --> "play for two minutes, something's wrong, back to the LAL cell" cycle.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/61719

 

... looks like there's an LE version available as well.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Anunya

[Karkhel]

4 hours ago, belegost said:

Peak modding, right there.

I'm sorry you wasted your time but this was hilarious to read

[Talesien]

1 hour ago, Anunya said:

@belegost I know that feeling oh so well.

 

If you have MCM settings that never change (or only change a little bit) between sessions, but still have to be set manually, I recommend getting MCM Recorder. It's gotten me out the "hours in the LAL cell setting tweaking MCM settings --> "play for two minutes, something's wrong, back to the LAL cell" cycle.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/61719

 

... looks like there's an LE version available as well.

I can only second that, I also use it to load settings for those mods able to do so, but not doing it automatically. It's such a time saver. I split my recorded list in two. One for those mods that require you to click a message box (or several) and then one that I can just let run unattended and do other things (especially useful as that list includes, among other stuff, SLAL registering the animations, which still takes forever and a day).

Edited March 7, 2023 by Talesien

[belegost]

Nah. I never use the same settings twice.

Edited March 7, 2023 by belegost

[Anunya]

1 hour ago, belegost said:

Nah. I never use the same settings twice.

 

Yeah then that wouldn't be particularly helpful  

[Hex Bolt]

10 hours ago, esdeath2331 said:

I find that when my hands are tied behind my back, once I want to attack, I will turn into a common fighting posture, is there any animation missing?

You should not be able to attack while your hands are bound, unless you've enabled the Devious Devices option for bound fighting, which lets you kick.  If you're missing the kicking animation, that would be a problem with the Devious Devices installation and/or a need to run FNIS.

 

10 hours ago, esdeath2331 said:

Also, does sexlab animation for violence need to be added?

I'm not sure what you mean.  If by "violence" you mean rough or rape animations, SexLab has several built in, and many animation packs offer others.

 

7 hours ago, belegost said:

I'd have been nice to see how it all ended if not for the fact that at this point the engine gave up and the game first locked up, and then CTD.

It reminds me of how some school team sporting events are handled, such that if one team is losing too badly, the referee just ends the game there to save the losing team further humiliation.

[Herowynne]

8 hours ago, belegost said:

he randomly decided whipping was a good idea to teach some submission. Two hits in, Defeat triggered

 

To avoid that problem, I use the Dynamic Defeat feature from AndrewLRG's patch for Defeat, and I also reduce the Submissive Lola MCM's Whipping duration values to the minimum possible values.

 

The Dynamic Defeat feature essentially counts the number of hits in a given timeframe, and is tunable, so you can adjust the number of hits that would result in a defeat. I think it is the most effective way to enable Defeat to coexist with mods that have whipping content, such as POP and Submissive Lola.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Herowynne

[belegost]

14 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

To avoid that problem, I use the Dynamic Defeat feature from AndrewLRG's patch for Defeat

That was exactly what caused it. I never had this problem until I installed that patch. Had I turned it off, it wouldn't have had happened.

Edited March 7, 2023 by belegost

[Delite]

Is it okay to just set this mod on pause (suspend all events) without leaving slavery and just hop around Skyrim for a while? I mean, it can't create any issues, right?

[Hex Bolt]

6 minutes ago, Delite said:

Is it okay to just set this mod on pause (suspend all events) without leaving slavery and just hop around Skyrim for a while?

It should be okay.  If the Tomb Raider quest was active and you spend a lot of time with events suspended, the quest won't time out and fail, but you'll only have a couple of days grace period to finish it when you resume normal activities, so keep that in mind.

[lcewolf]

13 hours ago, Anunya said:

@belegost I know that feeling oh so well.

 

If you have MCM settings that never change (or only change a little bit) between sessions, but still have to be set manually, I recommend getting MCM Recorder. It's gotten me out the "hours in the LAL cell setting tweaking MCM settings --> "play for two minutes, something's wrong, back to the LAL cell" cycle.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/61719

 

... looks like there's an LE version available as well.

 It's a very helpful advice! Seriously THANKS!

 

You have no idea how mush time i waste rebuilding the MCM menu!

I enjoy testing mod, modding and my skyrim time for playing,testing and building is over (2115 hours).

So most of the mods i test need a fresh new installation so this mod will make me gain a huge amount of time

 

[Hex Bolt]

11 minutes ago, HomeScreen503 said:

For whatever reason my Thoughts.json isn't registering.

Verify that it's valid (no syntax errors) with a tool like jsonlint.com.  If your mod manager isn't cooperating, try moving the Thoughts.json file to Data\Interface\Lola.

 

14 minutes ago, HomeScreen503 said:

I am trying to use it with a previous save file. Do I just need to wait a while before it picks it up or what?

No.  The mod reads Thoughts.json whenever you load a save file, so it will be found (or not) right away.

[HomeScreen503]

30 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Verify that it's valid (no syntax errors) with a tool like jsonlint.com.  If your mod manager isn't cooperating, try moving the Thoughts.json file to Data\Interface\Lola.

 

No.  The mod reads Thoughts.json whenever you load a save file, so it will be found (or not) right away.

 

I'm a moron, I figured it out. Was supposed to use the one in Skyrim's local files instead of the one in the Vortex folder.

 

Thanks

[HomeScreen503]

I actually am curious, has anyone figured out how to expand the maximum message size/change message color for thoughts on LE at all?

Saw some posts about that Iwant widgets mod but it's only for SE as far as I can tell & mod creator said he can't find anything either?

[Hex Bolt]

11 hours ago, HomeScreen503 said:

Saw some posts about that Iwant widgets mod but it's only for SE as far as I can tell & mod creator said he can't find anything either?

IWant Widgets (current version, not necessarily older versions) works for LE.  There's an installation option for IWant Widgets for LE, though the only difference is some inconsequential property settings in the esp, so I suspect that if you accidentally install the base SE version, it will work for you too. 

 

Just a bit of background, I develop and play Skyrim on LE, so if I add a feature, you know it's LE compatible.  Submissive Lola supports LE, SE, AE, and (as much as I could make it) VR.  If there's a listed feature, it will work with your Skyrim.

Edited March 8, 2023 by HexBolt8

[HomeScreen503]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

IWant Widgets (current version, not necessarily older versions) works for LE.  There's an installation option for IWant Widgets for LE, though the only difference is some inconsequential property settings in the esp, so I suspect that if you accidentally install the base SE version, it will work for you too. 

 

Just a bit of background, I develop and play Skyrim on LE, so if I add a feature, you know it's LE compatible.  Submissive Lola supports LE, SE, AE, and (as much as I could make it) VR.  If there's a listed feature, it will work with your Skyrim.

 

Huh, I was only able to find the one for SSE and a bunch of really weirdly named ones for LE that I thought were just like add-ons for the base Iwant Widgets mod. Is it on a different site than Nexus or am I just supposed to download one of those?

 

Also just throwing out an idea but now that I'm playing around with this feature I'd be curious if players could potentially lower the timer for thoughts further than it already is. Could almost be more of a stream of consciousness thing if it popped up every 15-30 seconds

Edited March 9, 2023 by HomeScreen503