Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[pandamarie1983]

7 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Devious Devices is required.  It's listed in the requirements.  The part that might have been confusing to you is that the mod accepts both DD and ZAP collars.  That's true, but the mod is built on the DD framework and uses a good number of devious devices for non-collar restraints, and it makes use of other DD features (such as vibration events), so DD is required.  The next time I update the mod, I will reword the description of "compatibility" with Devious Devices.  I'm sorry for the confusion.

 

ahh ok...i  missed that, im not finding that version tho. I will look again thank you for your reply. 

[pandamarie1983]

3 minutes ago, pandamarie1983 said:

ahh ok...i  missed that, im not finding that version tho. I will look again thank you for your reply. 

but i will comment that i had DD version=5.2.0.0 and zaz version 8 i believe, and they wont work together. I dont think that has anything to do with your mod tho, but i cant have them both without crashing, so maybe im missing some important step. 

[Hex Bolt]

21 minutes ago, pandamarie1983 said:

im not finding that version tho.

 

18 minutes ago, pandamarie1983 said:

i had DD version=5.2.0.0

The requirement is for "Devious Devices 4.3+", meaning 4.3 or higher.  DD 5.2 is great; it will work with this mod.

 

18 minutes ago, pandamarie1983 said:

i had DD version=5.2.0.0 and zaz version 8 i believe, and they wont work together. I dont think that has anything to do with your mod tho, but i cant have them both without crashing, so maybe im missing some important step. 

They should work together.  Neither of those interferes with the other mod.  Double check that you have the right version for your game (LE or SE) and try reinstalling them.  If you can't get it to work, describe the problem and ask for help in the Skyrim Technical Support topic.  Someone might be able to figure out what's happening.

[pandamarie1983]

37 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

 

The requirement is for "Devious Devices 4.3+", meaning 4.3 or higher.  DD 5.2 is great; it will work with this mod.

 

They should work together.  Neither of those interferes with the other mod.  Double check that you have the right version for your game (LE or SE) and try reinstalling them.  If you can't get it to work, describe the problem and ask for help in the Skyrim Technical Support topic.  Someone might be able to figure out what's happening.

ok thanks anyways. Hopefully i can figure the issue out. 

[myrrdhin]

I use Zaz+DD since a long time, never really any problems. If you have frequent crashes it may be due to too many animations, wrong load order, other mods. Alos make sure that you have crashfixes etc installed (there are a bunch on nexus and also many stability guides recommend crashfixes). I have for example "crash fixes" (yeah called that exactly^^), continue game no crash, and srtcrashfix) plus maybe some others, but those 3 I have in each of my profiles.

[akssi]

On 2023/2/27 at AM10点11分, HexBolt8 said:

目前，该模组仍适用于 DD 4.3，因此要求列表是正确的。正如我之前宣布的那样，我打算在 DD 5.2 发布（5.2 本月早些时候上线）后更新此 mod 以利用 DD 5 的改进功能。因此，这可能会在下一次更新时出现，但如果在此之前出现严重问题，则可能会在那之后出现。DD 5 现在已经成熟，功能丰富且可靠（经过漫长的 Beta 测试期后没有已知的严重错误），但对于希望继续使用 DD 4（4.3 于 2019 年发布——大流行前时期）的玩家，我会留下这个不需要DD 5的mod的最后一个版本。  没有人会被迫更新，但在那之后，未来的mod开发将针对DD 5版本。

Is there a big difference between DD5.1 and DD5.2?
I am DD5.1

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, akssi said:

Is there a big difference between DD5.1 and DD5.2?

Yes, take a look here at the improvements.  If you're considering updating, I suggest unequipping any devices that you're wearing, then save, update, and reequip the devices.

[akssi]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

是的，看看这里 的改进。如果您正在考虑更新，我建议取消装备您佩戴的任何设备，然后保存、更新并重新装备这些设备。

Will there be new bondage scenarios or props after that?

[crococat]

after updating DD to 5.2 all my mods become work better, including Lola. Dont know why.

[Sandra77]

Just finished the Dawnguard quest line, and am disappointed to find out that Serana does not seem to be a valid potential follower for Submissive Lola.

 

I get no dialog to make her an Owner.

 

In the Role Play section there is a line for Vampire feedings if Owner is a Vampire, so I had assumed Serana could be an Owner, but I seem unable to make her my Owner.

 

Am I missing something to make her an Owner?

 

Would installing "Serana Follower Framework" work to let her be my Owner, or is there an easier way to have her become my Owner?

[belegost]

43 minutes ago, Sandra77 said:

Just finished the Dawnguard quest line, and am disappointed to find out that Serana does not seem to be a valid potential follower for Submissive Lola.

 

I get no dialog to make her an Owner.

 

In the Role Play section there is a line for Vampire feedings if Owner is a Vampire, so I had assumed Serana could be an Owner, but I seem unable to make her my Owner.

 

Am I missing something to make her an Owner?

 

Would installing "Serana Follower Framework" work to let her be my Owner, or is there an easier way to have her become my Owner?

 

She does not belong to PotentialFollowerFaction, which all vanilla followers are members of. I assume valid SLola owners can only be recruited from this faction. Serana has has her own, DLC1SeranaFaction and she's the only member. That's probably why Bethesda was able to give her more personality than otherwise unremarkable followers. You can assign her to PotentialFollowerFaction via console but that has a chance to break her AI.

Edited March 2, 2023 by belegost

[Hex Bolt]

36 minutes ago, Sandra77 said:

Just finished the Dawnguard quest line, and am disappointed to find out that Serana does not seem to be a valid potential follower for Submissive Lola.

As the mod description says, "Any playable race follower can become your owner, though custom followers with specialized frameworks (like Serana and Inigo) will probably not work."  Serana is different from other followers.  However, I'd thought that she would become eligible by the end of the Dawnguard quest line, when her behavior is more normal, though I've not personally tried it.

 

40 minutes ago, Sandra77 said:

Would installing "Serana Follower Framework" work to let her be my Owner, or is there an easier way to have her become my Owner?

I'm not familiar with that one, but one of the major follower frameworks like Nethers or EFF might be worth trying.

 

Perhaps someone who has tried Serana at the end of the quest line can comment on how that worked (or didn't).

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Minuten sagte belegost:

 

Sie gehört nicht zu PotentialFollowerFaction, der alle Vanilla-Follower angehören. Ich gehe davon aus, dass gültige SLola-Besitzer nur aus dieser Fraktion rekrutiert werden können. Serana hat ihre eigene, DLC1SeranaFaction, und sie ist das einzige Mitglied. Das ist wahrscheinlich der Grund, warum Bethesda ihr mehr Persönlichkeit verleihen konnte als ansonsten unauffällige Anhänger. Sie können sie über die Konsole PotentialFollowerFaction zuweisen, aber das hat die Chance, ihre KI zu brechen.

 

considering how difficult it was to step in front of Mara's altar with the "normal" Serana - that is, to marry her

and that this could only be made possible by mods - which either change their (internal) faction affiliation or add it to the marriage function

it probably needs a little "extension" (aka patch) that adds the special "Serana" faction to the pool of potential "master/mistress".

[Sandra77]

I do have EFF installed, and have three other followers who can be Owners.

I am hoping others might have experimented and get Serana to work.

Will cross my fingers and hope for the best

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, belegost said:

I assume valid SLola owners can only be recruited from this faction.

Strictly speaking, an NPC only has to be in CurrentFollowerFaction to become the owner during the Strong Hand quest.  Possibly, one of the follower frameworks handle this.  Not being in PotentialFollowerFaction is still awkward, since auction buyers must be in that faction (conceivable, you might get Serana as the owner but not be able to add her an auction buyer).  The devs really caused a mess with Serana's special handling.  A player might add Serana to both PotentialFollowerFaction and CurrentFollowerFaction, then see if that breaks her normal behavior.

 

Edit:  To be clear, I'm not endorsing changing Serana's faction membership (especially not during her quest line), just providing some background if someone is desperate enough to take the risk and accepts responsibility for any resulting problems.

Edited March 3, 2023 by HexBolt8

[belegost]

8 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

A player might add Serana to both PotentialFollowerFaction and CurrentFollowerFaction, then see if that breaks her normal behavior.

I assume this is what SDA and any custom follower mod (Inigo, Kaidan, Auri, etc.) cautions to not do by saying that it might break their AI.

Edited March 2, 2023 by belegost

[Grumbrum]

On 9/5/2022 at 7:49 AM, Dozen9292 said:

There's a been a lot of voice lines added, but also a bunch changed, so I slammed up a new delta update voice patch for those who want it.

 

You need Executaball's 2.0.51 pack to make this complete.

 

 

lola_delta.rar 310.99 MB · 377 downloads

Is this still good for 2.0.60?

[crococat]

3 hours ago, Sandra77 said:

Just finished the Dawnguard quest line, and am disappointed to find out that Serana does not seem to be a valid potential follower for Submissive Lola.

Experimentally add CurrentFollower faction to npc that was not awailable as Lolas master, but was following pc.

All is working even after removing this person from CF faction. Quests are runing and score is changing.

It may work on Serana, but will be buggy as she may leave player by quests and may proceed her unique behavior.

You may use ingame mods that could change factions (with caution) such as ScentOfSex, Manipulator and some more heavy mods.

 

P.S. I had done this year ago when become mad and made my favourite npc as my owner by SubmissiveLola, DeviousFollower, SanguineD and MariaEden in same time. That was very hard gameplay, but was funny and all was working.

Edited March 2, 2023 by crococat

[belegost]

2 hours ago, crococat said:

my owner by SubmissiveLola, DeviousFollower, SanguineD and MariaEden in same time

 

I only ever tried Lola and DFC together and I scrapped the whole idea in less than half an hour because it was unplayable.

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Grumbrum said:

Is this still good for 2.0.60?

It should still work, but over time I change existing dialog as well as adding new lines, so just be aware that some voiced lines might be "off" to some degree, and newer lines won't be voiced.

[Anunya]

52 minutes ago, belegost said:

 

I only ever tried Lola and DFC together and I scrapped the whole idea in less than half an hour because it was unplayable.

 

I've been thinking about having a DFC follower and a SubLola follower in parallel for a playthrough, but I'd definitely have to get the settings right for both mods. That and figure out the RP justification.

[Halcyon2003]

Hey Hexbolt, I can't get into my normal LL account, so I made this throwaway for a question/issue I encountered the other day with the mod.  It seems like if my character's master/mistress starts the "Relax" radiant quest in which they tie my character's hands until they go back to town (which does trigger a bit too much for my liking) and if that same m/ms starts the enforced nudity rule with my hands still bound it seems to start a feedback loop of some kind so that even if I satisfy the requirements for being untied my PC still gets shocked into oblivion and -30 submission score.  I even check the box in the MCM to be stripped after punishment, but until I get out of town I'm stuck at 25 health and being zapped every 10 seconds...  I've tried everything I can think of.  Help!

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, Anunya said:

the RP justification

A common one that I've seen expressed is a competition, whether formal or unspoken, to see which dom/techinque works better.  Another is that a pair of doms (who might also be lovers) agree to jointly control you, and each has a different approach.

[Halcyon2003]

Also, in case I wasn't clear.  My character would be wearing absolutely nothing at this point.  The wrist ropes from the radiant quest are the only "clothing".  I'm not sure if my character's master is just a sadist who likes to break his own rules to zap me and make my character hate him, but outside of that kind of realistic reason I don't know why my character is constantly punished for obeying the order to the letter!

[Hex Bolt]

14 minutes ago, Halcyon2003 said:

It seems like if my character's master/mistress starts the "Relax" radiant quest in which they tie my character's hands until they go back to town (which does trigger a bit too much for my liking)...

Don't get overburdened.    Seriously, that's the main criterion, and there's a setting for it.

 

14 minutes ago, Halcyon2003 said:

...and if that same m/ms starts the enforced nudity rule with my hands still bound it seems to start a feedback loop of some kind so that even if I satisfy the requirements for being untied my PC still gets shocked into oblivion and -30 submission score

It would help to have more detail.  For instance, you're given a reason when you get zapped, but you didn't say what the message was.

 

The situation you described shouldn't cause a problem for the mod.  At a guess, you're using a mod that alters devious devices, such as adding armor rating and/or allowing them to be enchanted.  Don't do that.  They'll get detected as non-restraint items, which will confuse not just this mod, but other mods as well.

Edited March 3, 2023 by HexBolt8