Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[belegost]

11 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

The practical reason is, as you noted, that you can't sell your stuff there.

Well, there goes JK Skyrim or Arthmoor's Kynesgrove expansion out the window.

[lcewolf]

On 1/6/2023 at 1:39 PM, HexBolt8 said:

Marriage is not something that I'm planning to support, because it's like a promotion.  Even in a repressive society, a spouse has some rights.  A slave has none.  The MCM has an option for permanent enslavement, and the secret event at score 100 has extra conversation and a dialog-based option for permanent enslavement.  Nothing prevents you from getting married on your own, of course, if it makes sense in the context of being a slave.

 

I think you were asking if the mod could force wearing a vibrating plug.  That's certainly a possibility.

 

It could be nice.

 

Be forced or wear a plug or Anal plug is a good exemple of submission.

A constant reminder.

 

«Master» ( Listen Lola, for now until I decide otherwise I want you to wear an anal plug. Every step you take will be a constant reminder that you belong to me and that you have no control over your body because your are mine.)

 

But it's my opinion.

Edited February 20, 2023 by lcewolf

[belegost]

11 hours ago, lcewolf said:

Be forced or wear a plug or Anal plug is a good exemple of submission.

 

Terrible idea. I foresee significant gameplay issues with FHU and especially SLS+FHU combo. Forced, unremovable piercings are fine. Forced, unremovable plugs - no.

Edited February 21, 2023 by belegost

[belegost]

On 2/5/2023 at 11:18 PM, Delite said:

 

It worked. Thank you for the tip. I took the file "hqslavecollar.nif" and changed slot number from 35 to 45 in NifSkope.

 

Or you can convert BSDismemberSkinInstance -> Block -> Convert -> NiSkinInstance. This completely ditches the body slot information and the need for it from the .nif file and has no downsides. That way you can control the slots just by simple edits to .esp (ARMA and ARMO records) without having to tinker with .nif files ever again.

[Talesien]

42 minutes ago, belegost said:

 

Or you can convert BSDismemberSkinInstance -> Block -> Convert -> NiSkinInstance. This completely ditches the body slot information and the need for it from the .nif file and has no downsides. That way you can control the slots just by simple edits to .esp (ARMA and ARMO records) without having to tinker with .nif files ever again.

Interesting, gotta test this later on. Does this work even for slot 32 items?

[belegost]

2 hours ago, Talesien said:

Interesting, gotta test this later on. Does this work even for slot 32 items?

Dunno, I assume so.

 

Here's the original thread (second post):

I've been using this method since then, but I can't recall if I ever bothered with chest items. I know it works for swapping slot 33->34 because I tinkered with those in the past.

 

I actually have my own slot assinement table for varrious items, mostly lingerie and piercings and in most cases any clothing mod I download I have to edit to keep it consistent. This method saves a lot of time if I'm moving item slots around. Sometimes I edit stuff mid-playthrough when something doesn't feel right. Having nifs with ditched slot info makes it so much easier.

 

Just remember: build presets and morphs in Bodyslide first, edit nifs later. And re-building restores the original files and you'll have to convert them again.

Edited February 21, 2023 by belegost

[Hex Bolt]

7 hours ago, belegost said:

I foresee significant gameplay issues with FHU and especially SLS+FHU combo.

With this mod's option to remove nonlocking plugs before sex (or the similar feature that now in DD 5.2), would it still be a problem?  I'm just trying to understand the concern, since I've never used that mod.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

56 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

With this mod's option to remove nonlocking plugs before sex (or the similar feature that now in DD 5.2), would it still be a problem?  I'm just trying to understand the concern, since I've never used that mod.

You'd need to be able to remove them outside of sex to drain yourself.  Otherwise you get full to bursting and suffer debuffs and such.

[belegost]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

With this mod's option to remove nonlocking plugs before sex (or the similar feature that now in DD 5.2), would it still be a problem?  I'm just trying to understand the concern, since I've never used that mod.

FHU makes it so females get filled up each time a male orgasms (anal or vaginal animations only, hand- and tit-jobs don't count). Different races have different amounts of cum, some animal races (horses, trolls etc.) have A LOT of it. There are two pools: anal and vaginal, both affect body morphs (if supported) in similar way SLIF does.

 

Cum either drains little by little by itself after set time or can be "pushed out" (provided the character has enough stamina, is not exhausted, doesn't have any blocking devices, etc, etc. - there are several conditions).

The more inflated with cum the character is, after certain limit, they start to suffer some hefty debufs, like lowered regen rate, decreased walk/run speed and carry weight, decreased stamina, random staggering due to pain, etc. with losing HP due to "overfilled to bursting" in extreme cases included. Plugs (any plugs) prevent cum from draining by any means, full stop.

 

With SLS on top it also makes it so swallowing during blowjob adds to anal pool (regular FHU doesn't take BJ's into account at all) so that's an additional source of inflation. One Defeat gangrape by a bunch of bandits can easily fill both cum pools to maximum and effectively brick the playthough if the character is unable to escape due to being overfilled, low on stamina and suffering HP damage. It doesn't matter if the plugs can be removed during sex animations, because the deflation event is blocked from occurring during that time. Things like inflatable plugs or pears are very hard to remove. Punishing the character for removing non-lockable plugs in order to drain (draining takes a while and sometimes needs few attempts to succeed) would from practical standpoint have the same result.

 

In essence it would boild down to: remove plug for sex, have sex, add inflation, replace plug after sex, can't drain. Repeat it few times (or once if you get gangraped) and you have a huge wrench thrown into your playthrough from a supposedly "consensual" master-slave relationship. A caring master would not consciously endanger his/her favourite pet with such devices. That's DFC territory.

Edited February 21, 2023 by belegost

[Hex Bolt]

Thank you for the explanations.  Now I understand the FHU mechanics.  Short term plug use (as Pony Express and "Run, Lol, Run" do) seems okay.  Anything longer would have to have a toggle.

[pinkpunkt]

I seem to have a problem. When I wish to start, the NPC gives me the collar and tells me to put it on. I try it on, but when I want to speak to him again, the quest fails. Any ideas?

[lcewolf]

3 hours ago, belegost said:

FHU makes it so females get filled up each time a male orgasms (anal or vaginal animations only, hand- and tit-jobs don't count). Different races have different amounts of cum, some animal races (horses, trolls etc.) have A LOT of it. There are two pools: anal and vaginal, both affect body morphs (if supported) in similar way SLIF does.

 

Cum either drains little by little by itself after set time or can be "pushed out" (provided the character has enough stamina, is not exhausted, doesn't have any blocking devices, etc, etc. - there are several conditions).

The more inflated with cum the character is, after certain limit, they start to suffer some hefty debufs, like lowered regen rate, decreased walk/run speed and carry weight, decreased stamina, random staggering due to pain, etc. with losing HP due to "overfilled to bursting" in extreme cases included. Plugs (any plugs) prevent cum from draining by any means, full stop.

 

With SLS on top it also makes it so swallowing during blowjob adds to anal pool (regular FHU doesn't take BJ's into account at all) so that's an additional source of inflation. One Defeat gangrape by a bunch of bandits can easily fill both cum pools to maximum and effectively brick the playthough if the character is unable to escape due to being overfilled, low on stamina and suffering HP damage. It doesn't matter if the plugs can be removed during sex animations, because the deflation event is blocked from occurring during that time. Things like inflatable plugs or pears are very hard to remove. Punishing the character for removing non-lockable plugs in order to drain (draining takes a while and sometimes needs few attempts to succeed) would from practical standpoint have the same result.

 

In essence it would boild down to: remove plug for sex, have sex, add inflation, replace plug after sex, can't drain. Repeat it few times (or once if you get gangraped) and you have a huge wrench thrown into your playthrough from a supposedly "consensual" master-slave relationship. A caring master would not consciously endanger his/her favourite pet with such devices. That's DFC territory.

I see your point I disagrea. I use SLIF, SLS with Wartimes and i just remove and drain myself without permission Pissing my owner . When my pc as sex the plug remove themself i think with DD. I guess we could ask the owner for permission to relieve yourself also.

 

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Thank you for the explanations.  Now I understand the FHU mechanics.  Short term plug use (as Pony Express and "Run, Lol, Run" do) seems okay.  Anything longer would have to have a toggle.

I guess it's could be optional just like other option in the MCM menu.

 

But @HexBolt8 since you do all the work do as you wish .

I just liked the idea and i found it's nice addon for your mod since i play with the strick owner. It's a higher level of submission Anal/Vaginal plug and i personnaly enjoy this.

but it's my opinion and my taste and i don't want to impose it.

 

The choice is yours.

[belegost]

2 minutes ago, lcewolf said:

I use SLIF

SLIF is not FHU. They appear similar, but they work on different principles.

Edited February 21, 2023 by belegost

[Anunya]

3 hours ago, pinkpunkt said:

I seem to have a problem. When I wish to start, the NPC gives me the collar and tells me to put it on. I try it on, but when I want to speak to him again, the quest fails. Any ideas?

 

If you exit / cancel out of the conversation too early it counts as a quest fail. Wait for your follower to finish speaking rather than reflexively quick exit.

 

You could also put a collar on before talking... IIRC the dialogue will recognize a valid collar and skip the "go put this on" step.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, pinkpunkt said:

When I wish to start, the NPC gives me the collar and tells me to put it on. I try it on, but when I want to speak to him again, the quest fails.

This is usually due to having a bugged collar slot, such as when a Devious Devices collar is incorrectly removed or replaced by another mod.  DD 5.2 has a fix for this condition, so if you haven't updated yet, that would be a good reason to do so.  Another cause could be a bad DD installation.  Some players make the mistake of installing both DD 4 and 5, which causes all sorts of bizarre problems, but that's typically players who are newer to the mods on this site.

 

As Anunya said, you can just have a DD or ZAP collar equipped when you talk to your follower.  The follower will use that collar and skip the part of giving you one to wear.  However, if your collar is bugged, this won't work.

[Karkhel]

On 2/21/2023 at 8:34 PM, HexBolt8 said:

Thank you for the explanations.  Now I understand the FHU mechanics.  Short term plug use (as Pony Express and "Run, Lol, Run" do) seems okay.  Anything longer would have to have a toggle.

These were pretty extreme examples and a lot of those things are toggles SL survival cum inflation is a toggle (and in my opinion kinda silly one, if you eat cum you don't just push out cum out of your butt without digesting it do you?), you can change how much each race cums idividually or together as a modifier in FHU. Draining failing in the first place is a toggle as well. That being said I agree that plugs could be looked into, everyone has different setups and something can work fine just outside of this one situation. Personally I kinda like this being like a soft lock scenario but it can be more brutal than even I want. I guess I'm wasiting everyone's time as I'm not really disagreeing with either of you but I just wanted to share my experience.
How much of a pain in the ass (pun not intended) would be adding chances for both? As in separate chance for plug to be removed in the first place, and then chance for plug to be placed back into? Or would that break things with DD? If not then just a one chance slider for both to happen.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Karkhel said:

...adding chances for both? As in separate chance for plug to be removed in the first place, and then chance for plug to be placed back into?

I don't have specific plans for plugs right now.  Someone else raised the topic.  It would probably work like other events in this mod, with a duration.  That could be a good opportunity to do the evil thing where you're not told how long it is.  If you ask for release early, time gets added.  If you wait a long time, you obviously like being plugged so you'll get a longer duration next time.

[Lady Victoria]

First I must say how much of love this Mod. And how much I and I'm sure many others thank you for your work and  dedication!  The question I would like to ask is,  does anybody know of a  vampire feeding animation that would work on LE ? I found the one for SE. But unfortunately thats the only one I found. I even tryed to see if it would. But all I got was the dreaded T pose. Thank you in advance to any who might help me out with a solution ?

[BigOnes69]

5 hours ago, Lady Victoria said:

First I must say how much of love this Mod. And how much I and I'm sure many others thank you for your work and  dedication!  The question I would like to ask is,  does anybody know of a  vampire feeding animation that would work on LE ? I found the one for SE. But unfortunately thats the only one I found. I even tryed to see if it would. But all I got was the dreaded T pose. Thank you in advance to any who might help me out with a solution ?

Sorry this is probably not going to be what you wanted to hear. It has been a long time since I played LE but if I remember correctly there was a reason that no one developed a vampire feed animation over the many years of LE. I dont remember the reason but do remember being frustrated by it. Even the SE animations for this have not been developed beyond a simple feeding animation. The sexual feeding animation on this site does not work 100 percent for sometimes the drain itself does nothing even though the sex animation works.  None of the high end Vampire mods have addressed the lack of feeding animations so there must be a reason.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

10 hours ago, Lady Victoria said:

First I must say how much of love this Mod. And how much I and I'm sure many others thank you for your work and  dedication!  The question I would like to ask is,  does anybody know of a  vampire feeding animation that would work on LE ? I found the one for SE. But unfortunately thats the only one I found. I even tryed to see if it would. But all I got was the dreaded T pose. Thank you in advance to any who might help me out with a solution ?

I think that Billy and Anubis both have one or two feeding animations, and iirc Funnybizness has some too.

[just_Gina]

try this    SLAL Pack - Sexual Vampire Feed.rar 

[Lady Victoria]

9 hours ago, just_Gina said:

try this    SLAL Pack - Sexual Vampire Feed.rar 

Thank you  so much. This worked perfectly! 

[Lady Victoria]

10 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

I think that Billy and Anubis both have one or two feeding animations, and iirc Funnybizness has some too.

Thank you 

[myrrdhin]

Hey,

qq: do we have any timeline when the whipping with zap9.2 will work?

Kind of a bummer when my dearest Lola just stands there deperately waiting to be whipped and nothing happens^^.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, myrrdhin said:

do we have any timeline when the whipping with zap9.2 will work?

That's a question for ZAP 9.  The problem has to be resolved there; it can't be fixed by this mod.  I believe that I saw a patch in the ZAP 9 support topic to handle the whipping problem.  My assumption is that the fix will become part of a future ZAP update.