Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Кhrysamere]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

As long as you completely ignore the relationship level "real person" versus "game character" - that long you will not understand what some users (I include myself) are talking about "slavery" or "d/s" mods.

They are so fixed in their argumentation that it is difficult to enter into a kind of "dialogue" with them at all - because they say everything else and doesn't suit them -> sweep them off the table

You are welcome to continue to operate on this level - at least I don't feel like it...
...because this is NOT a competition (ala "who has the longer cock/penis")!!

 

 

What did I just read lmao. I see that you have a link in your signature that's in german. It's clear there's a language barrier going on here.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Кhrysamere

[ScroodPooch]

6 hours ago, Miauzi said:

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The superhero Dragonborn can't be a submissive guy in private?

 

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A "lore friendly" explanation as to how and why The Dragonborn can be submissive. Also why Serana would be the best choice to dominate. (privately or not)

 

You have the Dragonborn, Who, according to Paarthurnax, has the same nature that Alduin and the other Dov have, which is to dominate. "He took domination as his birthright" I don't think it would be a stretch to say that the consumption of Dragon Souls contributes to this nature. So I think it would actually be a lore friendly mechanic to say that killing dragons presents a danger to the dragonborn in that there is a risk of losing one's self to this nature.  Arngeir hints to this (arguably) when he suggest the PC can become infamous. Maybe this is what was Miraak's undoing. So, we can have a mechanic where consuming Dragon's power requires "tempering" or "bad things" can start to happen.

 

Pair that with a being who has the blood of Molag Bal (The Daedric Lord of Domination) running in her veins. Her problem is that she's been dormant for centuries and her nature has been starved. This creature needs to feed her "Molag Bal" Both in blood and in behavior. If she doesn't start exercising her nature soon, "Bad things can happen"

 

So here we have these 2 beings. One who's desire to dominate is growing to quickly and needs tempering, and the other, who's nature to dominate has been suppressed and needs to be expressed.

 

I've heard that the one who has the blood of Molag Bal, also has a mother who may have some experience with these things. Perhaps she has a better understanding of what's happening and what to do next. Maybe she can offer some wisdom.

 

And in this way, you have a PC who needs to submit to an NPC. And possibly an ingame mechanic based on the number of accumulated souls, balanced by acts of submission and maybe a little RNG will keep the PC from things like becoming hostile in cities (Starting fights with guards, etc)

Edited January 20, 2023 by ScroodPooch

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Stunden sagte ScroodPooch:

 

Eine "überlieferungsfreundliche" Erklärung, wie und warum das Drachenblut unterwürfig sein kann. Auch warum Serana die beste Wahl wäre, um zu dominieren. (privat oder nicht)

 

Sie haben das Drachenblut, das laut Paarthurnax die gleiche Natur hat wie Alduin und die anderen Dov, nämlich zu dominieren. „Er nahm Herrschaft als sein Geburtsrecht an“ Ich glaube nicht, dass es übertrieben wäre zu sagen, dass der Konsum von Drachenseelen zu dieser Natur beiträgt. Daher denke ich, dass es eigentlich eine Lore-freundliche Mechanik wäre zu sagen, dass das Töten von Drachen eine Gefahr für die Drachengeborenen darstellt, da das Risiko besteht, sich selbst an diese Natur zu verlieren. Arngeir deutet dies (wohl) an, wenn er vorschlägt, dass der PC berüchtigt werden kann. Vielleicht war das Miraaks Untergang. Wir können also eine Mechanik haben, bei der das Aufbrauchen der Drachenkraft „Stärkung“ erfordert oder „schlechte Dinge“ passieren können.

 

Kombiniere das mit einem Wesen, in dessen Adern das Blut von Molag Bal (dem daedrischen Herrn der Herrschaft) fließt. Ihr Problem ist, dass sie seit Jahrhunderten inaktiv ist und ihre Natur ausgehungert ist. Diese Kreatur muss ihren "Molag Bal" sowohl mit Blut als auch mit Verhalten ernähren. Wenn sie nicht bald anfängt, ihre Natur zu trainieren, "können schlimme Dinge passieren"

 

Hier haben wir also diese 2 Wesen. Der eine, dessen Verlangen nach Dominanz zu schnell wächst, muss gezügelt werden, und der andere, dessen Natur zu dominieren, wurde unterdrückt und muss zum Ausdruck gebracht werden.

 

Ich habe gehört, dass derjenige, der das Blut von Molag Bal hat, auch eine Mutter hat, die vielleicht etwas Erfahrung mit diesen Dingen hat. Vielleicht hat sie ein besseres Verständnis dafür, was passiert und was als nächstes zu tun ist. Vielleicht kann sie etwas Weisheit bieten.

 

Und auf diese Weise haben Sie einen PC, der sich einem NPC unterwerfen muss. Und möglicherweise wird eine Ingame-Mechanik basierend auf der Anzahl der angesammelten Seelen, ausgeglichen durch Akte der Unterwerfung und vielleicht ein wenig RNG, den PC davon abhalten, in Städten feindselig zu werden (Kämpfe mit Wachen zu beginnen usw.)

 

I can understand your arguments about the Dragonborn...

..what do you think I've encountered in real life for managers in very high leadership positions...

..and what they did in private??!!

Professional killer instinct and unconditional will to power are in no way inferior to a submissive side lived out in private.

And it is precisely this duality experienced in real life - poles that oppose each other in the most extreme way - that's what I'm concerned with in both "Dragon's Blood" and "Serana".

and understanding it - it's my own interpretation of the Skyrim lore...
.. and what do you mean what this lore allows for everything.

take a look at the mod "Maid2" and the lore approach behind it
on the other hand, "Dragon's Blood" (and "Alduin") and "Moster-Serana" is pure group cuddling in the small children's group

[ScroodPooch]

I like to try to keep things somewhat within lore if possible, or if not, maybe try to come up with a believable explanation. (But that's my preference, not a requirement)

 

But at the end of the day, this IS a modding site and if unwavering adherence to lore is the standard, then I'd probably suggest this is not the best site.

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte ScroodPooch:

Ich versuche gerne, die Dinge nach Möglichkeit innerhalb der Überlieferung zu halten, oder wenn nicht, versuche vielleicht, eine glaubwürdige Erklärung zu finden. (Aber das ist meine Präferenz, keine Voraussetzung)

 

Aber am Ende des Tages IST dies eine Modding-Site, und wenn die unerschütterliche Einhaltung der Überlieferungen der Standard ist, dann würde ich wahrscheinlich vorschlagen, dass dies nicht die beste Site ist.

 

I don't really know how to understand your text?

So I don't intend to use the "lore" to limit the possibilities in the Elder Scroll world - quite the contrary!

The actual "lore" allows a lot more - than the software booth in their games lets on.

There are always books - which refer to events - but you can't find anything about them officially - such as "Where were you when the dragon broke?"

That it was about a "dragon break" - something that literally breaks up the space-time structure of Nirn and splits it into small parts - you only find out about it on the TES pages of the fans...
..who can refer to the original creators of this universe.

I had actually indicated that with the mod "Maid2".

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and just as little can be derived from "lore" the one-dimensionality of a character...

..of course, the power-hungry Dragonborn can also be a lousy scumbag and slave owner on a private level

but it says NOWHERE that he can also be different
and that's all my testimony was about

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I keep reading - that in Skyrim "we" live in a medieval (and now lower case) fantasy world...
..where the emphasis is always on the Middle Ages and less on fantasy.

and in the Middle Ages there were no "rubber" clothes either - period

in our Middle Ages already - but in ours we also had no ruins, artefacts, armaments, weapons, etc. of a people - which is at least 500 years ahead of our current level of civilization.

Well - I'm 60 years old - I studied engineering and really worked in it for many years.
But a metal - which has not shown any mechanical wear for thousands of years - not even the beginning of corrosion - that is not even imaginable today with the knowledge of quantum mechanics!.

Ever found a vein of Dwemer ore?
No - of course not - because it can't even exist as ore!!
Dwemer metal was created through a technological process - unknown (lost) in the current Skyrim world!

Have you ever played "Morrowind" - you come to the first Dwemer ruin and find -> a machine with a rotating traction sheave...
..has been rotating for 2000 years!

How are such techniques possible without lubrication or permanently elastic seals?
So we couldn't...
..and without the vulcanization of natural caoutchouc to rubber there would be no electricity and no internal combustion engines.

What do you mean by the "lore" of TES that the Dwemer have already used rubber as a material for permanently elastic seals??
Answer: -> NOTHING

Mr. Goodyear - godfather (inventor) of vulcanization had first tried to coat fabric for weatherproof mailbags with the stabilized rubber...
...Raincoats and the like followed.

what you can NOT justify with the "lore" -> pink unicorns that shit rainbows out of the anus

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[ScroodPooch]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

I don't really know how to understand your text?

 

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I like things to be as lore friendly as can be, but this is modding so it's not a realistic expectation. Reaching outside the lore is never a deal breaker if the mod is good. Anyway, I'm going to stop here since this thread really should be discussing Sub Lola specifically.

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by ScroodPooch

[Miauzi]

So back to topic:

I'm starting to read and what does it say:
New: MCM RPG setting "Playmate obeys nudity rule"
and
New: MCM Roleplay Settings, "Playmate Nudity Outfit" and "Playmate Nudity Shoes" set an alternate nudity outfit and shoes

So I can use this function - instead of being naked, for example, have the player wear a "real" outfit such as a latex catsuit (with gloves etc.) and let him walk around with it (ordered by the dominatrix) in his "free time".
Did I understand that correctly??

if so - this also works with DD devices such as "nudity shoes" -> ballet boots
these have a lock function - is this released correctly after the end of the "free time"??
instead of ballet boots it can also be the chastity belt with "internals" and the chastity bra

 

[MrEsturk]

10 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

I'm starting to read and what does it say:
New: MCM RPG setting "Playmate obeys nudity rule"
and
New: MCM Roleplay Settings, "Playmate Nudity Outfit" and "Playmate Nudity Shoes" set an alternate nudity outfit and shoes

So I can use this function - instead of being naked, for example, have the player wear a "real" outfit such as a latex catsuit (with gloves etc.) and let him walk around with it (ordered by the dominatrix) in his "free time".
Did I understand that correctly??

 

You are technically correct but those specific settings are for the playmate follower (if you recruit a playmate follower). The player has their own special outfit setting for the nudity rule listed under the "Rules/Nude Rules" MCM menu.

 

In regards to gloves only DD device gloves are allowed to be worn in nudity zones. No setting to allow normal, non-DD gloves exists at the moment.

 

12 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

if so - this also works with DD devices such as "nudity shoes" -> ballet boots
these have a lock function - is this released correctly after the end of the "free time"??
instead of ballet boots it can also be the chastity belt with "internals" and the chastity bra

 

DD devices are not counted as clothing by the nudity rule. Wearing a DD device in a nudity zone will not get the player punished. The player is allowed to wear DD shoes, bodysuits, and hobble dresses in nudity zones.

[Talesien]

33 minutes ago, MrEsturk said:

In regards to gloves only DD device gloves are allowed to be worn in nudity zones. No setting to allow normal, non-DD gloves exists at the moment.

While technically correct, one can of course manipulate the keywords of the gloves in question so SLTR does not object to them. I.e. remove all armor or clothing keywords from the item). Been there, done that works fine, even for heavy armor if one were so inclined. (Although that might pose a problem with other functions that are looking for the (heavy) armor keyword, not sure on some perks for example.)

[Miauzi]

Vor 48 Minuten sagte MrEsturk:

 

Sie sind technisch korrekt, aber diese spezifischen Einstellungen gelten für den Playmate-Follower (wenn Sie einen Playmate-Follower rekrutieren). Der Spieler hat seine eigene spezielle Outfit-Einstellung für die Nacktheitsregel, die im MCM-Menü "Regeln/Nacktregeln" aufgeführt ist.

 

In Bezug auf Handschuhe dürfen in Nacktzonen nur DD-Gerätehandschuhe getragen werden. Derzeit gibt es keine Einstellung, um normale Nicht-DD-Handschuhe zuzulassen.

 

 

DD-Geräte werden von der Nacktheitsregel nicht als Kleidung gezählt. Das Tragen eines DD-Geräts in einer Nacktzone wird den Spieler nicht bestrafen. Der Spieler darf in Nacktzonen DD-Schuhe, Bodysuits und Humpelkleider tragen.

 

Thanks - that helps me a lot

my plan is to replace "nudity" with "fetish"...

... for example when the player of "Mistress Serana" is put in a full rubber outfit.

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what about punishment?
I would much prefer something like "putting on heavy bondage" instead of "whipping".

I guess I have to install the mod as a test to take a closer look at the MCM...
..is there a German translation?

[Hex Bolt]

41 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

what about punishment?

You get zapped and lose submission score until you comply.  Most of the rules are like that.  The exceptions are rules with a time limit to perform a specific task.  Failure is punished with score loss plus spanking or whipping.

 

There's always a warning when you first enter a required-nudity area if you're wearing forbidden items, so changing or removing clothing in time isn't difficult.

 

Edit:  Since you have an interest in real life BSDM, to avoid disappointment, please see the paragraph on the mod page that starts with "This is fantasy!"  This mod does not try to depict a modern-day realistic relationship.

Edited January 21, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Miauzi]

Vor 5 Minuten sagte HexBolt8:

Sie werden gezappt und verlieren die Submission-Punktzahl, bis Sie sich daran halten. Die meisten Regeln sind so. Die Ausnahmen sind Regeln mit einer zeitlichen Begrenzung, um eine bestimmte Aufgabe auszuführen. Ein Versagen wird mit Punkteverlust plus Prügel oder Auspeitschen bestraft.

 

Es gibt immer eine Warnung, wenn Sie zum ersten Mal einen Bereich mit vorgeschriebener Nacktheit betreten, wenn Sie verbotene Gegenstände tragen, sodass es nicht schwierig ist, die Kleidung rechtzeitig zu wechseln oder auszuziehen.

 

Bearbeiten: Da Sie Interesse an echtem BSDM haben, lesen Sie bitte den Absatz auf der Mod-Seite, der mit „Das ist Fantasie!“ beginnt, um Enttäuschungen zu vermeiden. Dieser Mod versucht nicht, eine moderne realistische Beziehung darzustellen.

 

The punishment isn't the problem and in a real BDSM relationship punishment can be a very broad field...

..and definitely goes beyond what you have listed in the text in its variety.

BUT

I'm ALWAYS about consensual - in this context, however, almost an infinite number of things are possible in a relationship at "equal footing".
(I know that in the US area "RACK" - i.e. non-consensual SM is much more common than in Germany, for example)

My concern is whether I can set the existing "punishments" or block an individual one.

and

I can "enter" something else as punishment - e.g. wearing a certain combination of DD devices.

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[Hex Bolt]

26 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

My concern is whether I can set the existing "punishments" or block an individual one.

and

I can "enter" something else as punishment - e.g. wearing a certain combination of DD devices.

There are no settings for that.  However, there are settings for whipping duration, and MCM settings for the type of item when the mod decides to equip a DD item (for example, choice of collar).

Edited January 21, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte HexBolt8:

Dafür gibt es keine Einstellungen. Es gibt jedoch Einstellungen für die Auspeitschdauer und MCM-Einstellungen für die Art des Gegenstands, wenn der Mod entscheidet, einen DD-Gegenstand auszurüsten (z. B. die Wahl des Halsbandes).

 

It's a shame - there might still be a bit of development potential here for the future
(please understand only as a suggestion)

so I'm going to stage my "punishments" as a roll-play
no problem

[dreiph]

Is it possible to disable spaniking at all? I could not find good spankimg animations, all i could wind were so-so. I manually added 'spanking' tag to couple slal animations, not to use real spanking animations.

[Wild Trout]

Hello, I know that this question might have already been asked multiple times, but I couldn't find answer  

 

The mod is awesome, but I'm struggling to figure out how the hair feature work : currently the hair remains the same style and color (didn't touch anything in mcm). Is there anything I need to configure to make it work ? And if I'm using a hair mod, should I perform a specific procedure ?

[CaptainJ03]

46 minutes ago, Wild Trout said:

I'm struggling to figure out how the hair feature work

You open the console, type "showracemenu", close the console and navigate to the Hair tab. Get some hairdo that you think your Mistress might like, press R for 'done' and open Lola's MCM. Now set the current hairdo as the one to change to. Export settings, reload the save from before opening racemenu, import settings, done. (or reopen the racemenu and get yet another hairdo)

[Anunya]

2 hours ago, Wild Trout said:

Hello, I know that this question might have already been asked multiple times, but I couldn't find answer  

 

The mod is awesome, but I'm struggling to figure out how the hair feature work : currently the hair remains the same style and color (didn't touch anything in mcm). Is there anything I need to configure to make it work ? And if I'm using a hair mod, should I perform a specific procedure ?

 

If you want the owner to change your hairstyle you have to make a list of them in the MCM, as by default there's no list. So what happens - I think - is that the event triggers, it looks at the list of possible hair styles to pick one, finds a list of zero, and nothing changes.

 

@CaptainJ03 outlined the process for creating the list. Basically you have to give your character the hairstyle, open the SubLola MCM to save the current hairstyle to the list, and do that for each possible hairstyle you want to possibly be given.

[Anunya]

On 1/19/2023 at 1:23 PM, Кhrysamere said:

@HexBolt8 Would you ever consider making a reversal of this mod? Something that allows the player to be dominant with a follower? Specifically a female player and a male follower? There are mods already that allow you to enslave people, things like Paradise Halls come to mind. However those seem to be non-consensual enslavement.

 

Are you aware of:

 

It seems to be sort of close to what you're looking for.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, dreiph said:

Is it possible to disable spaniking at all?

The mod isn't designed for that, but if you toggle off all animations with the Spank or Spanking tags, this mod will use a general sex animation.

 

4 hours ago, dreiph said:

I could not find good spankimg animations

I recommend Rydin Overlap Spanking (linked on the mod page).  The package only adds a few animations (ideal for players concerned about animation count), and it doesn't use magically-appearing furniture.  Another good option is the Devious Followers Spank SLAL mini-pack (LE and SE), which also adds just a handful of animations.  You can install the animations without installing Devious Followers.

Edited January 21, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Hex Bolt]

In light of recent questions, for the next update the MCM will have a Help topic, "How do I choose hair styles?", and I will add links to the Devious Followers Spank SLAL mini-pack on the mod page.

[Кhrysamere]

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

 

Are you aware of:

 

It seems to be sort of close to what you're looking for.

 

I've seen it, but haven't tried it, based on the pictures I was initially led to believe it was oriented more towards male PCs, but looking into it further I found that it seems its also made for Female PCs too. I wonder if there are settings to decrease the amount of female NPCs you find during NMS, as I'm not really into FF content and would much prefer FM

[Anunya]

2 hours ago, Кhrysamere said:

 

I've seen it, but haven't tried it, based on the pictures I was initially led to believe it was oriented more towards male PCs, but looking into it further I found that it seems its also made for Female PCs too. I wonder if there are settings to decrease the amount of female NPCs you find during NMS, as I'm not really into FF content and would much prefer FM

 

From my limited reading of the thread (never used the mod) I'm guessing you could just rescue the female PCs normally and then do more LL oriented stuff with the guys. But they have a thread where you can ask and the mod author seems pretty responsive   

[Miauzi]

Vor 20 Minuten sagte Anunya:

 

Aus meiner begrenzten Lektüre des Threads (habe den Mod nie benutzt) schätze ich, dass Sie die weiblichen PCs einfach normal retten und dann mehr LL-orientierte Sachen mit den Jungs machen könnten. Aber sie haben einen Thread, in dem Sie fragen können, und der Mod-Autor scheint ziemlich reaktionsschnell zu sein   

 

Mann dominiert Frau

 

 

 

[Talesien]

3 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

Mann dominiert Frau

 

 

 

Just keep in mind the sex slaves from this mod (some of them are pretty nice to have with you, even having some banter between each other) can be kinda demanding, even rape you (can be disabled in the MCM) if you refuse to satisfy them long enough. It is a fun mod though, well worth playing around with some. (Also a nice player home ... sadly in the middle of nowhere. But you get a teleport for it.)

Edited January 22, 2023 by Talesien