Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[belegost]

42 minutes ago, xiwibik30 said:

I'm trying to make it work with Enderal

 

I would advise against it. A lot of events in Lola are tied to specific vanilla locations. I'm not even sure if Lola would recognize any Enderal locations as valid for the purpose of say, "Time to relax" or "Run, Lola, Run" since it's an entirely diferent worldspace. You'd certainly not have any Solitude or Whiterun or city-specific events and those are the meat and potatoes of this mod. At best you'd get a very boring run with quarter of the features, at worst you'd be locked out of any progress if the master would not let you out of bondage gear because the location would not count as a city or an inn in Skyrim sense.

 

Also, as far as I remember, the two actual followers you get in Enderal (as there are only two) have their own AI and logic and they are both heavily story driven. Making any of them into Master/Mistress just doesn't make sense. Enderal is basically Gothic made in Skyrim engine. (Pseudo) open world, and not a sandbox.

 

EDIT:

Prostitution would also not work. Radiant Prostitution does not recognize any of Enderal innkeepers as valid job-giver (yes, I tested it long ago). Anything that relies on Skyrim factions or location system would not work actually.

Edited February 11, 2023 by belegost

[xiwibik30]

21 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I haven't used Enderal, but I would think that any custom follower for Skyrim could be teleported to your location with the console.

My companion is with me (he doesn't need to be teleported), just no dialog line. I guess companions work differently in Enderal. Okay. Thanks for the answer.

[Hex Bolt]

12 minutes ago, belegost said:

A lot of events in Lola are tied to specific vanilla locations. I'm not even sure if Lola would recognize any Enderal locations as valid for the purpose of say, "Time to relax" or "Run, Lola, Run" since it's an entirely diferent worldspace.

Actually, most (but not all) Lola events should work in other world spaces, because they're based on common keywords, like LocTypeTown.  Inns are cognized by the LocTypeInn keyword, and innkeepers by the keyword for innkeepers.  Unless Enderal avoids Skyrim's common keywords, most events should work.

 

12 minutes ago, xiwibik30 said:

My companion is with me (he doesn't need to be teleported), just no dialog line. I guess companions work differently in Enderal.

If it's a typical follower (such as one of the myriad Skyrim followers on Nexus), it should work unless Enderal goes out of its way to change the base follower system (rather than giving its own followers their own AI).  The follower won't have new lines until the Strong Hand quest is running.  It's started by clicking a button in the mod's MCM.  The follower also has to have been recruited and actually following you at the time.

[belegost]

13 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Unless Enderal avoids Skyrim's common keywords

 

I think it may. See my edit about Radiant Prostitution above.

 

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unless Enderal goes out of its way to change the base follower system

 

It does. Enderal companions are fuly fledged entities with their own story and they join and leave you as the story progresses and do their own things in the meantime. Think Mass Effect on steroids. They're not followers, you don't have any control over their behaviour, gear or fighting style.

Edited February 11, 2023 by belegost

[Delite]

Can you add new rule: "Owner doesn't like night trips"? If the character tries to adventure in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere, owner stops her and orders to make a camp for a night or gives 3 minutes to find an inn. Is it possible?

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, Delite said:

Can you add new rule: "Owner doesn't like night trips"?

Is the owner's desire not to travel at night, or would it be fair that it's to sleep at night?  Sleeping is easy to detect, and it works with any camping or bedroll mod.  If you're sleeping, you're not traveling.  A rule to require x hours of sleep starting between y and z hours (vampires will sleep during the day) seems doable.  If you don't do it, you fail your daily service goal and get punished.  There would likely have to be some exception for a lengthy stay in a dungeon.

[Delite]

38 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Is the owner's desire not to travel at night, or would it be fair that it's to sleep at night?  Sleeping is easy to detect, and it works with any camping or bedroll mod.  If you're sleeping, you're not traveling.  A rule to require x hours of sleep starting between y and z hours (vampires will sleep during the day) seems doable.  If you don't do it, you fail your daily service goal and get punished.  There would likely have to be some exception for a lengthy stay in a dungeon.

The main goal is that the owner doesn't want to travel at night, but the second variant with sleeping is pretty enough as well.

[Delite]

Another suggestions.

 

1. The character must protect the owner at all costs. If the owner will be knocked down during a combat, the character will receive punishment after a battle.

 

2. Another way to punish the character. If the character does something wrong, the owner can order to find and satisfy random amount of bandits. It will require SexLab Defeat's surrender function with additional dialogue line which says, for example: "My Mistress has sent to satisfy you". It is a little bit unimmersive, because why do bandits have to let the character go after the task has done? And how the owner knows if the character has done the task properly? And also bandits can easily assault the owner together with the character. Honestly, I don't know, how to bring logic to this rule.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Delite

[blahity]

4 hours ago, Delite said:

Another suggestions.

 

1. The character must protect the owner at all costs. If the owner will be knocked down during a combat, the character will receive punishment after a battle.

 

2. Another way to punish the character. If the character does something wrong, the owner can order to find and satisfy random amount of bandits. It will require SexLab Defeat's surrender function with additional dialogue line which says, for example: "My Mistress has sent to satisfy you". It is a little bit unimmersive, because why do bandits have to let the character go after the task has done? And how the owner knows if the character has done the task properly? And also bandits can easily assault the owner together with the character. Honestly, I don't know, how to bring logic to this rule.

 

I don't really like using Defeat mods because they interrupt the regular gameplay so much and I've had some bad luck with them. Also why would Mistress punish you with sex in a remote bandit camp? A public punishment with spanking or whipping seems much more fitting.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, Delite said:

If the owner will be knocked down during a combat, the character will receive punishment after a battle.

It's an interesting idea, but I think it's a better fit for Devious Followers, where you incur more debt and the follower loses "lives".  The focus here is on submissiveness.  The owner often says (whether or not it's actually true) that Lola is better for sex than fighting, so if Lola doesn't do well in combat, that's just to be expected from a sex slave.  Possibly, owner knockdowns could increase the next prostitution quota, so Lola can spend more time doing what she just proved that she does best, but that wouldn't actually be punishment for disobedience or bad attitude.

[Talesien]

Never before noticed that SLTR has a mini scene for Nazeem and a fun one at that. Good job once more. ^^

[Hex Bolt]

19 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Never before noticed that SLTR has a mini scene for Nazeem and a fun one at that. Good job once more. ^^

Thanks!  That one inspired by discussion back in the day for Spank That Ass, when players asked about the possibility of spanking him.  It sounded fun, so I had to do something to make that dream a reality.

[Delite]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

It's an interesting idea, but I think it's a better fit for Devious Followers, where you incur more debt and the follower loses "lives".  The focus here is on submissiveness.  The owner often says (whether or not it's actually true) that Lola is better for sex than fighting, so if Lola doesn't do well in combat, that's just to be expected from a sex slave.  Possibly, owner knockdowns could increase the next prostitution quota, so Lola can spend more time doing what she just proved that she does best, but that wouldn't actually be punishment for disobedience or bad attitude.

I'm roleplaying in another way. I use Nether's Follower Framework in order to make my character's Mistress non-fighting person. Why should she fight if she has such powerfull slave like Dragonborn. She just stays nearby while my character brings her another victory. One of Submissive Lola's loading screen advices says that size doesn't matter. In my case I would say that power doesn't matter. Well, at least physical power. My character is powerfull death machine, but she doesn't deserve such power, because she doesn't trained it through hard work which could make stronger not only her body but also her soul. She just lucky to be born as Dragonborn. Demigod-level power, for free and without any effort. Of course because of this she had a lot of troubles. But finally she found a strong hand to guide her, she found the Mistress. This woman is not even a fighter or a mage, but she has what Lola doesn't - strong will.

So I dare to disagree with your point that Lola is nothing but pleasure slave who even doesn't able to fight properly.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Delite

[CaptainJ03]

11 hours ago, Delite said:

Why should she fight if she has such powerfull slave like Dragonborn

Well, but you don't believe all that talk about dragons, do you? My char never has seen one.

 

11 hours ago, Delite said:

So I dare to disagree with your point that Lola is nothing but pleasure slave who even doesn't able to fight properly.

Those are the lines that Lola's Mistress says on random occasions. Depending on level discrepancy, my follower(s) normally have everyone slain before I remember where I put my weapon. YMMV

[crococat]

20 hours ago, Delite said:

1. The character must protect the owner at all costs. If the owner will be knocked down during a combat, the character will receive punishment after a battle.

Have this feature with some modded followers. Last as i remember is Brusier or RealDragonborn from TroublesOfHeroine

[belegost]

21 hours ago, Delite said:

If the owner will be knocked down during a combat, the character will receive punishment after a battle.

 

That sounds like DFC. I don't like DFC and prefer sLola. The moment sLola turns into DFC I'm out.  Hexbolt had a good run with this mod so far and he's taking it into right direction. Which is, among other things, making it not-DFC.

 

21 hours ago, Delite said:

It will require SexLab Defeat's surrender function

No. Defeat is notoriously unreliable, even patched and Bane versions are all very wonky. Personally I'd like to experience what sLola has to offer without relying on something that I consider detrement to my load order and am desperately trying to move away from.

Edited February 15, 2023 by belegost

[Hex Bolt]

7 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Depending on level discrepancy, my follower(s) normally have everyone slain before I remember where I put my weapon.

Your proper role might be to follow your owner around and write down this hero's brave deeds.  Your follower could even name you Recorder.   

 

4 hours ago, belegost said:

The moment sLola turns into DFC I'm out.

It won't.  They're different mods with different approaches.  I pushed back on an earlier suggestion to add DFC-style deals because although it works well in DFC, it's not a good fit here.  Slaves are told what to do; they don't get to choose.  If you're offered a choice, it will be a no-win scenario for the owner's amusement.  I came across this example somewhere but haven't a found a way to work anything like it into the mod (especially in a way that's not repetitive):

 

Spoiler

Mistress gives you a choice of one of three strap-ons to be taken with:  small, medium or large.  If you pick small, you're told you're trying to get off easy, so you get the large instead.  If you pick large, you're faulted for being greedy, so you get the large one up the rear instead of the front.  If you pick medium, you're told you're playing it safe, so you get a punishment spanking, then the medium up the front, then the large up the rear. 

 

5 hours ago, belegost said:

Defeat is notoriously unreliable....

I've had good success with Defeat, but there's no need to for this mod to use it (or any defeat mod).  The owner is essential, so SLTR could just detect bleedout if I ever add a feature for that (which of course would have a toggle, given the game's horrific NPC AI).

[Talesien]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Mistress gives you a choice

Sounds like you still are best off choosing small, at least it's not going into the rear end. ^^

[Кhrysamere]

Some suggestions I have accrued from experimenting with this mod:

 

Slightly Alter Mechanics to be more RP-friendly to Maids and Servants

 

Explanation: I feel this mod synergizes well with being a Maid. There's a lot of Maid outfit mods out there, but it never truly made sense for your character to use them, that's no longer the case due to this mod, as it puts you in a subservient role. I feel that this playstyle could be improved by, instead of only having the option for your master follow you around everywhere, they could also stay in one location, In other words, reside in your player home. 

 

You can somewhat replicate this by just having them wait or relax via EFF. However you will never get a notification that you can ask your master if they need anything, you'll need to ask them to follow you, where shortly after the notification will appear along with the corresponding dialogue option. I've also had occurrences in previous playthroughs where having the Master wait somewhere, such as a room at an Inn, and then leaving to go carry out some menial task would result in the Master getting impatient and chasing the player. I believe I wasn't using EFF to have them wait at the time, however, I don't recall.

 

Roleplaying-wise, it doesn't make much sense for a Lord or a Noble to be constantly following their servant around everywhere. If I am instructed to go search for and loot a dungeon chest, for example, the master shouldn't need to be there, I feel. Why would they want to be exploring a dirty and decrepit cave or draugr-infested crypt when they could be relaxing at their estate, afterall? 

 

This would also result in the player being by themselves more, which would allow them to more naturally engage with other sexlab content besides this one, without their master constantly breathing down their neck.

 

So here's a list of concise changes that I'd like to see changed/fixed/added.

 

• Allow the Master to roam around the player's house, and stay there if the player leaves, whilst still having the ability to demand things (If the player is within range) and for the notification to ask them for anything to appear.
• Allow the player to complete tasks given by their Master without the Master being present.
• Add Dialogue choices that are more befitting of a maid/servant.
• Add Master Personality type that is more befitting of a Noble/Lord.
• Add more House-related events. (Bathing them, more cleaning, making them meals, providing means of entertainment, etc)
• Make changes to certain tasks to make them more Maid/Servant-friendly (The Master wouldn't feel the need to change their Maid's outfit in Solitude, nor would want them to walk around their Estate in the nude, especially if there are other guests present)

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Кhrysamere

[Hex Bolt]

7 minutes ago, Кhrysamere said:

The Master wouldn't feel the need to change their Maid's outfit in Solitude, nor would want them to walk around their Estate in the nude, especially if there are other guests present

You can have this much right now if you set the maid outfit as the "nudity alternative" in the MCM.  If you set other areas such as towns to be nudity areas, then the maid outfit would be required there as well.

[CrantiusColto]

Anybody have text bugs in the actual book itself? There's superimposed text in the later pages that make it unreadable.

 

Doesn't affect gameplay, but it bugs me since I like reading books in this game. =3

[belegost]

33 minutes ago, CrantiusColto said:

Anybody have text bugs in the actual book itself? There's superimposed text in the later pages that make it unreadable.

 

Doesn't affect gameplay, but it bugs me since I like reading books in this game. =3

Just flip the pages back and forth. I had the same, that's probably due to using a different font mod (Sovngarde) which is slightly thicker than the vanilla and perhaps something weird goes on with formatting.

Interestingly I've never had that with any vanilla book or book added by LOTD (and it adds A LOT). I've seen it with some other mods though, but that was rare enough to not bother me.

Edited February 17, 2023 by belegost

[belegost]

On 2/14/2023 at 11:28 PM, Delite said:

So I dare to disagree with your point that Lola is nothing but pleasure slave who even doesn't able to fight properly.

Install Bimbos of Skyrim on top of that, activate "super hardcore mode" and see what happens. Come back when your Lola won't be able to lift a dagger or forgets how to cast even Clairvoyance.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

I don't know if it is related, but I installed that mod that gives you colored messages, but since then (or perhaps just since the last update of this mod) I keep getting the messages that the Master really wants to talk to you, and then is angry, even though I already offered service and did whatever was requested.  Somehow thats not being detected as well as it used to, or something.

[Hex Bolt]

10 hours ago, belegost said:

I had the same, that's probably due to using a different font mod (Sovngarde) which is slightly thicker than the vanilla and perhaps something weird goes on with formatting.

That sounds right.  That book doesn't specify a font, so you get whatever the game uses by default for books.  The illuminated (large, graphic) letters might also be a contributing factor to formatting oddities.  Thank you for posting an easy solution.

 

1 hour ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

I don't know if it is related, but I installed that mod that gives you colored messages, but since then (or perhaps just since the last update of this mod) I keep getting the messages that the Master really wants to talk to you....

I don't know what would cause that.  The mechanism for "owner beckons" hasn't changed other than a simple check to use iWant Widgets if it's installed.  The change is only the text format, but if an event starts, you'll get notified either way.