Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[agukiin51]

17 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

AFAIK the whipping animation is from Zaz, and mine definitely has sound. Ouch!

I mean the animation of slapping the ass, not the one that uses a whip, if yours has sound I will look for it because I would love to use one with sound, I really appreciate the information, thanks!!!

[Hex Bolt]

22 minutes ago, agukiin51 said:

I mean the animation of slapping the ass, not the one that uses a whip

I've not seen a spanking animation that does that.  They're SexLab animations, which have no spanking sound.

[agukiin51]

13 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I've not seen a spanking animation that does that.  They're SexLab animations, which have no spanking sound.

Damn, I had my hopes up..... It would be much more immersive and fun.....

[SkyAddiction]

On 4/6/2022 at 9:01 PM, Snook001 said:

The second would be an execution. 

 

On 4/6/2022 at 10:02 PM, HexBolt8 said:

Not that.  That really is going too far.  (The original mod does say "below -30 you are dead", but it never implemented that, and I eventually removed PC death here.)

 

I've thought about a special punishment for reaching score -30, but I always dismiss it because if one is playing the mod with any semblance of submissiveness, the only reason to reach the minimum score is a looping punishment bug (and I think I've fixed that one).

 

This actually stuck in the back of my mind for several days, and not as some appeal to include a final punishment, but as a roleplaying idea.

 

I often play extremely self-sufficient characters who can more than defend themselves, but I use either Naked Defeat or DCL's built-in defeat systems to handle combat failure. If my character loses a fight, it's because I'm an idiot, and I use Simple Slavery (roughly 25% chance) and Lola (100% SS++ chance)  as potential consequences. If Lola fires, I absolutely play it as an angry, non-participatory character, at least initially. The idea is my PC eventually learns the system and cooperates in an attempt to gain freedom.

 

However, this is what's been driving splinters into my brain: What if I wanted to RP a character who hates her mistress and hates her own condition? What happens if a character actively resists her owner for a prolonged period? Well, it turns out... nothing. You've included variation for pretty much everything but that, and that's entirely the realm of massive negative Lola modifiers and special punishment that should never be life-threatening.

 

I'm not at all sure if such content is viable or if it's desired, but I have a few very general ideas:

1. You need a path from resolute resistance to hostile acceptance.

2. You need a path from hostile acceptance to non-committal acceptance. I have no developed ideas here.

3. You've already figured out one of the best tactics available - punish the player and not the character.

Make the player want to progress through the plot, not the character. I'm specifically referring to the shock collar here.

 

Anyway, just potential concepts and ideas. No need to reply unless you feel an overwhelming need to do so. 

[PolskiHusarz20]

Hello I would like to leave a suggestion for a new master attitude towards the player:
- resentful - master feels wronged by the PC and wants revenge, more specifically - he/she wants to humiliate dragonborn with slavery, this might be started in a two ways:
1. Master openly acts as PC's enemy from the start, this would propably work best for people who want to start Sub Lola with SS+
2. Master says that he/she wants to punish the player and done that by acting like a normal, loyal follower, that attitude is for people who want normal, story start

How I see the difference since it is just a few different lines of dialogue?
This is an example:
1 - After all these years I can finally punish you for what you have done to me!!
2 - Finally, after that long agony which was gaining your trust I managed to trick you into this position and I'm going to enjoy every moment of your enslavement!

But there is also one more attitude I want to propose:
- excited about new acquisition - this a dialogue for new masters which just enslaved their first girl and they are not sure what to do with her, every activity is like an experiment and they are slowly pushing boundaries further and further away, this attitude would work best for younger NPC's and/or milkdrinkers.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

@HexBolt8 Could you please share the editorID of the "Sexy" dance animation?  Better yet, if it's not too much trouble, it'd helpful to have the names of all of the dance animations used in SLTR base (don't need the optional TDF dances).  Are these all from ZAP?

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Could you please share the editorID of the "Sexy" dance animation?

vkjZazSexy [IDLE:xx05B0F5]

 

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Better yet, if it's not too much trouble, it'd helpful to have the names of all of the dance animations used in SLTR base (don't need the optional TDF dances).

help vkjzaz 4

 

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Are these all from ZAP?

Yes.  "Sexy" is ZazSexyDance_Loop.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Thanks a bunch.

[SkyAddiction]

@HexBolt8

 

I think I have some workable ideas for special punishment triggered by a submission score lower than -20:

 

• An additional dialogue option at enslavement start, e.g.: "You touch me and I'll kill you in your sleep, bitch!" Exceptionally angry or bellicose, and guarantees a -30 submission start.
• The PC can't ask to serve at less than -20. Boredom triggers instead and the shock collar is always used. There are no available responses which are positive - just pouty and neutral. The PC also can't offer sex, but there is no penalty for this.
• The PC gets randomly shocked a few times a day outside of dialogue just because the mistress can.
• Implement a blocking dialogue for members of the merchant faction. The PC has to say something humiliating ("As a failed adventurer and slave, I need to browse your wares for my mistress.") or degrading (I'm just a dumb slut who needs to buy something for my mistress.") or ignore the line. Speaking the line grants +1 submission, refusing grants -1 submission.
• The end of day evaluation grants +1 submission if no submission points lost that day.

 

Anything similar to that would allow the player to roleplay the PC in any way they want, and a player accidentally falling below -20 wouldn't stay there very long if they didn't want to. Being primarily punishment-focused allows for a rebellious PC without resorting to extremes or interfering too much with normal Skyrim play. It would also get boring and/or annoying after a while, incentivizing the player to gain submission and return to the standard part of the mod unless they're pursuing a very specific roleplay objective.

 

Some more ideas:

• A new section for inner thoughts for -30 to -20. "I hate her so much!"; "I want to lock her in this collar, activate it, and leave it on."; As soon as I'm free, I'm going to put some scars on her pretty little face."
• Mistress comments for -30 to -20. "No one's going to help you, Lola. I own you and no one cares."; "I don't care if you sulk and pout - you're wearing the collar and I can just keep shocking you."; "Your hopeless little rebellion is just prolonging your misery before you break."; "Maybe I should tie you up and dump you by the nearest bandit camp?"; "If you keep behaving like a petulant little slut, I'll find the grossest, greasiest, most depraved man in Skyrim and gift you to him."

 

Edited April 13, 2022 by SkyAddiction
More ideas.

[broken324]

hello! i am new to using a bunch of these types of mods so its probably just something im overlooking, but im having an issue with this mod. it keeps giving me status updates for the move your ass plug, fashion gear in solitude, among a few other things just like every minute or so and its about 5 of them. none of the scenes its talking about have triggered as ive only just started using the mod, but its very annoying as i have to just ignore reading the status messages and then miss important ones. I've messed around with load orders and stuff a million times pretty much all day trying to fix it but I cant figure out why its doing it. if anyone can help me out it would be greatly appreciated!

 

EDIT: update, well i got to solitude and was told to put on my fashion gear, he puts it on me and then while im wearing it around town its spamming me with must wear your fashion gear while in solitude and electrocuting me and my submissive score continues going down. so theres that too.

Edited April 13, 2022 by broken324

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, broken324 said:

it keeps giving me status updates for the move your ass plug, fashion gear in solitude, among a few other things just like every minute or so and its about 5 of them. none of the scenes its talking about have triggered as ive only just started using the mod

That's very unusual.  Are you sure that your installation of Devious Devices is working correctly?  Have you tried reinstalling this mod?  Something is seriously wrong.

 

Just some advice:  When you have a problem like this in your game, stop.  Don't keep going.  It's like driving with a flat tire; it's never going to work.  Find a fix, then move on.  Otherwise, if you have to go back to an earlier save to fix things, you could lose hours of progress.

[Senick]

I have an issue when trying to start that seems to cause the mod to bug out, the collar gets equipped, then says it is unequipped and the quest fails. Then when I look in my inventory it shows as equipped. I remember I had this problem ages ago and it was caused by a different mod altogether but can't recall what that was. Does anyone know how to fix this?

 

Edit: This appears to only effect certain collars like the Pet Collar

Edited April 14, 2022 by Senick

[Hex Bolt]

35 minutes ago, Senick said:

I have an issue when trying to start that seems to cause the mod to bug out, the collar gets equipped, then says it is unequipped and the quest fails.

Devious devices can get into a bugged state and not be recognized.  The latest DD 5 beta has a fix to prevent this.  You can also fix the problem yourself, as described in the second item in this post.  To avoid a recurrence, stay away from functions that unequip all items on your character, unless they are DD-aware.  A common culprit is SkyUI's outfit hotkeys, which will bug devious devices if the unequip armor option is checked for that hotkey.

Edited April 14, 2022 by HexBolt8

[broken324]

17 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

That's very unusual.  Are you sure that your installation of Devious Devices is working correctly?  Have you tried reinstalling this mod?  Something is seriously wrong.

 

Just some advice:  When you have a problem like this in your game, stop.  Don't keep going.  It's like driving with a flat tire; it's never going to work.  Find a fix, then move on.  Otherwise, if you have to go back to an earlier save to fix things, you could lose hours of progress.

oh well i fixed the devious devices problem, but the status updates continue, I read this too late as i been playing nonstop for like 8 hours but everything else seems to be working fine now except those annoying top corner of the screen status messages, really wish i could fix that but probably should have gone back like you said to before it started happening. its too late now though as id lose like everything ive done lol

 

edit: oh and you actually rock for responding to everything you do! after i made last post i dug through this whole thread to see if my issue was had before, and i solved the devious devices issue with something you troubleshooted with someone else, so just wanted to say you're awesome!

Edited April 14, 2022 by broken324

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, broken324 said:

everything else seems to be working fine now except those annoying top corner of the screen status messages

If you can exit enslavement (though that might not be possible with whatever is causing the message errors), that should reset things.  You'll lose some score, and get a whipping, and have to wait 24 hours before you can be a slave again, but it might be worthwhile to you.

 

3 hours ago, broken324 said:

just wanted to say you're awesome!

Thanks!

[Senick]

9 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Devious devices can get into a bugged state and not be recognized.  The latest DD 5 beta has a fix to prevent this.  You can also fix the problem yourself, as described in the second item in this post.  To avoid a recurrence, stay away from functions that unequip all items on your character, unless they are DD-aware.  A common culprit is SkyUI's outfit hotkeys, which will bug devious devices if the unequip armor option is checked for that hotkey.

Thanks for the reply, but it's not this. This is happening on a fresh play through and was literally the first DD item equipped on the character, I'll keep digging, it was some specific mod that was doing it. Also, the fact it only happens on certain collars, every time, is a odd

Edited April 15, 2022 by Senick

[Kilroy22]

Is there any plans to incorporate the xVAsynth voices?

[Hex Bolt]

56 minutes ago, Kilroy22 said:

Is there any plans to incorporate the xVAsynth voices?

Officially?  No.  For me, it's mood killing to hear a character talk like an android.  The technology is promising but isn't there yet, not without a lot of hand tweaking (the sort of thing that makes creating voice files, especially to support multiple voices, a great amount of work).

 

Unofficially, others have already created voices files for this mod.  Look back a few pages or search the forums here and you'll find some.

[Executaball]

2 hours ago, Kilroy22 said:

Is there any plans to incorporate the xVAsynth voices?

 

I've just updated my neural network model and just finished a rework of the voice pack for Submissive Lola Resubmission v2.0.51 if you're interested. More info about the generational changes on my page.

 

Here's a few previews:

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Executaball

[Kilroy22]

Ah! Thank you so much!

[Kilroy22]

23 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Officially?  No.  For me, it's mood killing to hear a character talk like an android.  The technology is promising but isn't there yet, not without a lot of hand tweaking (the sort of thing that makes creating voice files, especially to support multiple voices, a great amount of work).

 

Unofficially, others have already created voices files for this mod.  Look back a few pages or search the forums here and you'll find some.

Makes sense! I do agree the potential is there and but who knows, over time it might be perfected till then, keep up the great work with this mod!

[agukiin51]

I had an idea, which in my opinion is quite cool, I don't know if it's crazy, but it would be great, if there was a cage as a form of punishment, in the player's house where the Mistress would lock you up, as a punishment, since there are a dialogue in which he threatens you with that, could be followed by a dialogue more or less like this, ``Do you see Lola? You are a pet, and when pets misbehave they must be locked up´´. I don't know what you think, but it could be good! Greetings to all!

[Hex Bolt]

23 minutes ago, agukiin51 said:

...if there was a cage as a form of punishment, in the player's house where the Mistress would lock you up, as a punishment...

Conceptually, cages are fun, but as a practical matter they're a problem.  How would this mod know where to put a cage in a player home?  I haven't used a vanilla home in years, and players who do often use home overhaul mods that can drastically rearrange the layout.  Beyond that, one of the principles of this mod is to let the player play Skyrim and not keep the PC occupied for a long time.  It could be annoying to make a quick trip to your house to drop off some stuff, only to find yourself stuck in a cage until morning.  I'm hoping to add more short term use of devices for punishment (or play) at some point, something that would still leave Lola mobile.

[agukiin51]

6 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Conceptually, cages are fun, but as a practical matter they're a problem.  How would this mod know where to put a cage in a player home?  I haven't used a vanilla home in years, and players who do often use home overhaul mods that can drastically rearrange the layout.  Beyond that, one of the principles of this mod is to let the player play Skyrim and not keep the PC occupied for a long time.  It could be annoying to make a quick trip to your house to drop off some stuff, only to find yourself stuck in a cage until morning.  I'm hoping to add more short term use of devices for punishment (or play) at some point, something that would still leave Lola mobile.

yes, I think you're right, the first few times it would be fun, but in the long run it might get boring....

[CaptainJ03]

1 hour ago, agukiin51 said:

yes, I think you're right, the first few times it would be fun, but in the long run it might get boring....

Cages (and contraptions) are boring even for the first time. We've had (multiple) discussions about punishing the char or the player - and cages where you just have to wait for a certain amount of time are just boring. Go and try that pink bondage shop and give defiant answers. When you start checking Insta on your smartphone because you're bored waiting, something is dead wrong with the concept.

Laura does it right with scenes running while you have to wait your ordeal - but that's in a non-repeatable quest.

I've made my own player home with cages that auto-lock when you sleep inside, but as I have the key, it's only pretense.