Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

20 minutes ago, caqa said:

Some script edits to make Submissive Lola work with the Sexual Fame (Comments) mod, heavily inspired by TDF Prostitution scripts.

Players who decide to use these should remember that any "vkj" scripts will become obsolete the next time that they're updated.  (vkjmq changes frequently, and in fact has already changed for the next update.)  Players should be careful about applying overrides, so that they don't end up overwriting a newer file with an older "patched" version.

[caqa]

8 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Players who decide to use these should remember that any "vkj" scripts will become obsolete the next time that they're updated.  (vkjmq changes frequently, and in fact has already changed for the next update.)  Players should be careful about applying overrides, so that they don't end up overwriting a newer file with an older "patched" version.

 

Good point I added a warning to my original post.

[blahity]

I had a few ideas, not sure if any are feasible or interesting enough to implement but thought it would be fun to share anyway.. 

• As an alternative to kissing the Master's/Mistress's boot when entering a hall, the pc can agree to be leashed, hobble-dressed, or arm-bound for the duration of their visit in the hall. I think zaz has leashes but I don't know if it zaps pc control. I feel it gets the same point across that the pc is owned by them.
• Integration with Love Sickness 
  • If pc has love sickness before the prostitution/breed event the Master/Mistress demands the event lasts until pc reaches euphoria overload to "give them the breeding they need"
  • If love sickness duration gets too high, pc get belted (with no plugs) for being too focused on sex rather than being dutiful to Master/Mistress. After LS wears off belt is removed and player is spanked. Maybe this event causes LS to wear off at a faster rate or removes X amount of hours of the debuff.
  • Love Sickness aware Master/Mistress dialogue and pc thoughts
• A global cooldown for all events, sometimes I'll be in Solitude going between shops and get hit by a new event after leaving each shop and it can be a drag sometimes.
• A "Nude Raider" event, pc has to remain naked (at least slot 32) until they loot a big dungeon chest

[Antiope_Apollonia]

6 hours ago, blahity said:

As an alternative to kissing the Master's/Mistress's boot when entering a hall, the pc can agree to be leashed, hobble-dressed, or arm-bound for the duration of their visit in the hall. I think zaz has leashes but I don't know if it zaps pc control. I feel it gets the same point across that the pc is owned by them.

I would love to see an alternative there, too, and have mentioned it in the past, but my idea was quite different—simply changing the animation to the crouching animation (I don't recall the name, but I could find it) that would look like shining Mistress's boots with a cloth, classic shoe shine style.  Personally, all that unhygienic stuff—whether it's boot licking, spitting, cleaning a butt plug with your mouth, piss play, etc.—is all one big anti-fetish for me.  I don't mind the service aspect of cleaning Mistress's boots at all, just the use of my tongue—which isn't even a good way get the job done!  And, mercifully, we've been given the option to just pretend, but then Mistress's boots are still all dirty, and I feel like a bad slave. ?

 

I'm not sure what your ideas really have to do with being in a palace thematically, so I'm not sure how well they'd fit—although, personally, I'd enjoy almost anything more than the boot licking.  You did give me an idea, though, that I suspect you and I would both like:

In the palace, you're gagged upon entry and remain gagged as long as you're there.  When she gags you, Mistress gives you a note or a blank sheet of paper—or maybe she gives you two or three, but a limited number anyway—that you can use as an alternative way to communicate with members of the court if necessary, since slaves are deemed unworthy of speaking to the Jarl's court.  When you use one of your notes, it's given to the NPC, so they're single-use, and if you run out, you have to beg Mistress for more.

 

I'm not quite sure how you'd implement that as an alternative to the boot licking event in terms of MCM settings or whatever, but I think it could be a cool event regardless.  And getting mud in my mouth is still gross!

 

6 hours ago, blahity said:

A global cooldown for all events, sometimes I'll be in Solitude going between shops and get hit by a new event after leaving each shop and it can be a drag sometimes.

The one that gets me is when you need to talk to Mistress about some event, and she zaps you when you greet her.  So you thank her for the zap and talk to her again, and she has some other task when you talk to her again.  It sometimes takes 3–4 tries to actually give Mistress that thing she asked for or whatever.

 

6 hours ago, blahity said:

A "Nude Raider" event, pc has to remain naked (at least slot 32) until they loot a big dungeon chest

A bit redundant since you can already configure the nudity rules to mandate nudity everywhere.  Off the top of my head, nudity rules can kick in after 50 score, and I don't think nudity in dungeons is the default setting, but it sounds like maybe you'd like to change that setting.  I can't imagine Mistress letting me wear clothes anywhere!

Edited May 4, 2022 by Antiope_Apollonia

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, blahity said:

I think zaz has leashes...

Not that I'm aware of, though I might have missed something.

 

2 hours ago, blahity said:

A global cooldown for all events, sometimes I'll be in Solitude going between shops and get hit by a new event after leaving each shop and it can be a drag sometimes.

 

The "offer service cooldown" does most of that.  If you don't offer service fairly soon after you're able, the owner gets bored and starts an event.  A longer cooldown reduces the frequency, and offering service as soon as you can stops most of the "owner beckons" behavior.  Location change events (like fetching ale or entering a palace) are exceptions, since they trigger whenever their conditions are valid (subject to their cooldowns).

 

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

The one that gets me is when you need to talk to Mistress about some event, and she zaps you when you greet her.  So you thank her for the zap and talk to her again, and she has some other task when you talk to her again.  It sometimes takes 3–4 tries to actually give Mistress that thing she asked for or whatever.

That sounds like a bugged state.  Setting aside location change events, periodic events should only occur once per "offer service cooldown" cycle (though the owner might demand sex out of cycle if arousal is at 100).  If the owner preempts your speech, that's a force greeting, and the mod isn't designed to queue those up to hit you with 3 or 4.  Of course, if other mods (like DFC) are also generating force greetings, then sure you could get a few in a row, but this mod shouldn't do that and I've never seen it happen in my own games.

 

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I'm not quite sure how you'd implement that as an alternative to the boot licking event in terms of MCM settings or whatever, but I think it could be a cool event regardless.  And getting mud in my mouth is still gross!

What about an option to kiss your owner's bare feet?  Same animation, just with owner's footwear unequipped.  Yet another dialog branch could also satisfy the "sweaty feet" crowd.

 

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

In the palace, you're gagged upon entry and remain gagged as long as you're there.

It's often necessary to talk to the jarl or steward about a quest.  Palaces can have other quest NPCs too (and some might have extra mod-added quest dialog).  Being gagged in the palace has the right feel, but if it interferes with questing it could be awkward.  Even with gag talk enabled, the player has to click through the "communicating with gestures" line.  Jarl Balgruuf:  "What's that, girl?  You say that Nazeem fell down a well?"

 

It also would make the owner look incompetent for gagging you when you have to report the dragon or other major news.  Ideally, the owner would speak in your place (and take credit), but the game is PC-centric and doesn't support that.

[gerroth]

How can I add a Playmate if the Submissive Lola enslavement already started? I cannot let Lolas Mistress go as a follower and let the other follower follow me, so it doesnt work. Do I need a mod for multiple followers?

[Antiope_Apollonia]

24 minutes ago, gerroth said:

How can I add a Playmate if the Submissive Lola enslavement already started? I cannot let Lolas Mistress go as a follower and let the other follower follow me, so it doesnt work. Do I need a mod for multiple followers?

Yes.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

the mod isn't designed to queue those up to hit you with 3 or 4.

I've wondered before whether that might be what was happening.  I don't have any obvious culprits in my modlist, though—SLTR is the only mod I use that employs forcegreets.  I do spend a fair bit of time in dialogue with other NPCs, though, and I wonder that could have something to do with it.  Once in a while—not frequently, but maybe once every few hours of play on average—I also get yelled at for ignoring a command I never heard upon exiting dialogue with another NPC, too.  That seems like it could be related.  My best hypothesis has been that it has something to do with entering dialogue within the margin of error of "simultaneously" with Mistress beckoning, so the "IsInDialogue" condition fails to get checked correctly.

 

At any rate, this has been a constant feature of my SLTR experience for as long as I can remember—I'm not aware of there ever having been a time when I noticed it "start happening."  I've never been sure whether it was intended behaviour or not.  I remember I brought it up here once a long time ago, but I never figured out how to explain what was happening clearly enough, and you didn't understand my issue.  It's not a huge deal, but it can be annoying, and it can seem pretty weird in roleplaying terms sometimes.

  

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

What about an option to kiss your owner's bare feet?  Same animation, just with owner's footwear unequipped.  Yet another dialog branch could also satisfy the "sweaty feet" crowd.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.  Either way, it's a fetish I just don't have, and it's not something I want in my mouth. ? And I'd say bare feet makes less sense just narratively speaking.  At least "I can't enter the palace with dirty boots" is a good premise to justify it (although my Mistress changes into sandals when she enters town).  Bare feet might work better as a wilderness event you could add for the foot fetish crowd—something along the lines of, "We've been walking all day, and my feet are all sweaty in these boots!  Good thing I brought my slave!"—as long as it can be disabled for the rest of us!  Do not want that in my mouth!

 

Bearing in mind I'm also one of the people who likes Clean Sweep, but I actually like the "clean my boots" part of that task.  It's only the "with your tongue" part that puts me off.  "Clean my boots" feels like exactly the sort of thing a good slave should do for her Mistress, and having clean boots seems like exactly the sort of thing Mistress should be concerned with when entering a palace.  I do like my gag idea, too, though! ?

 

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

It's often necessary to talk to the jarl or steward about a quest.  Palaces can have other quest NPCs too (and some might have extra mod-added quest dialog).  Being gagged in the palace has the right feel, but if it interferes with questing it could be awkward.  Even with gag talk enabled, the player has to click through the "communicating with gestures" line.  Jarl Balgruuf:  "What's that, girl?  You say that Nazeem fell down a well?"

That's why you have paper!*  You can write down what you need to tell the Jarl and give it to him in respectful silence like a good little slave!  The implementation would basically be just like the "gag talk" mechanic, except instead of the blocking line being "Mmmmmm!", it would be "(Hand [her|him] your note)".  I guess it could be a little awkward for long conversations, but I don't think it'd be beyond the realm of suspension of disbelief.  

 

*I would probably create two items—well, three, I guess—based on vanilla assets; "Mistress's Charcoal" (or "Master's") and "Blank Note Paper"—and give them to Lola at the start of the quest along with her gag.  Each time you talk to an NPC, one piece of paper is consumed.  If you run out of paper, you have to talk to Mistress to beg for more, and she might have some hoop for you to jump through to get them.  The charcoal and any unused paper are removed at the end of the quest when the gag is unequipped.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Antiope_Apollonia

[agukiin51]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

 

What about an option to kiss your owner's bare feet?  Same animation, just with owner's footwear unequipped.  Yet another dialog branch could also satisfy the "sweaty feet" crowd.

 

Wow, I would love an animation like this. But it is true that this event would make more sense on the way to somewhere, I do not see the Mistress taking off her shoes inside the Jarl's house.

Edited May 4, 2022 by agukiin51

[CaptainJ03]

6 hours ago, gerroth said:

How can I add a Playmate if the Submissive Lola enslavement already started? I cannot let Lolas Mistress go as a follower and let the other follower follow me, so it doesnt work. Do I need a mod for multiple followers?

Yup. Recommendation for this Lola mod is NFF - Nether's Follower Framework here on LL, because the sandboxing for the followers let's them do stuff when they're idle, instead of just standing in one spot, awaiting your orders.

[CaptainJ03]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

the mod isn't designed to queue those up to hit you with 3 or 4.

but it happens from time to time, which is a nuisance when you just want to tell Mistress that you've completed some task, which has a timescale, but you can't because you get whipped or sent on another errand.

 

9 hours ago, blahity said:

A "Nude Raider" event, pc has to remain naked (at least slot 32) until they loot a big dungeon chest

Doesn't comply with this mod's policy not to hamper normal playthrough, and depending on other mods or your difficulty settings, a task like this might be lethal. Yes, this may happen with cursed loot, but that's my own choice depending on the dungeon, if I risk to loot a body/container.

 

About Palace Events:

Would love to have more variety, and I am one of those who would like to have an event of licking Mistress' bare feet.

 

9 hours ago, blahity said:

when entering a hall, the pc can agree to be leashed

As Hexbolt said, there doesn't seem to be a working leash in all the devious mods. I once found one that promised to leash the PC, but in reality they were dragged around like when you press E for a bit longer to move a corpse. That is not what I want when being led on a leash.

 

9 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

When she gags you, Mistress gives you a note or a blank sheet of paper

That is part of Cursed Loot mechanics (I think it's paper, charcoal, inkwell and quill) but it's a real nuisance. Being gagged in town is no fun, and you really need another mod, as it's not part of plain DD machanics, to allow gag talk.

 

 

A fun episode: during Faster Lola, Faster I helped Mistress to fight off some wolves, because when you reach a location, but Mistress is off fighting somewhere, you cannot complete the miniquest. During the killmove (vanilla, I can't be botherd to change that) I got zapped for not running. I was too slow to take a screenshot, but that looked really nice.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

3 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Being gagged in town is no fun, and you really need another mod, as it's not part of plain DD machanics, to allow gag talk.

Well, the idea was that, functionally, the notes would basically be the exact same mechanic as gag talk.

9 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

The implementation would basically be just like the "gag talk" mechanic, except instead of the blocking line being "Mmmmmm!", it would be "(Hand [her|him] your note)".

Other than the fact that you might run out of paper and need to ask Mistress for more, it's just the flavour presentation that would be different.  Talking through your gag isn't being a deferent, respectful slave!  If anything, that's a sort of defiance!  And why would a Jarl be so patient as try to decipher your mumbles?  Just give him a note with what you need to tell him like a good little pet and run along!

[Talesien]

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Other than the fact that you might run out of paper and need to ask Mistress for more, it's just the flavour presentation that would be different.  Talking through your gag isn't being a deferent, respectful slave!  If anything, that's a sort of defiance!  And why would a Jarl be so patient as try to decipher your mumbles?  Just give him a note with what you need to tell him like a good little pet and run along!

Honestly why would the Jarl bother with reading your scribblings? Heck, who says all Jarls can even read? (Historically many men of the sword had troubles with it, even of the higher nobility.) If you could script the scene so the steward reads if to the Jarl, that I might buy, but I guess that's out of the question.
While I agree it would be nice to have an alternative to the boot cleaning, gagging Lola before interacting with the Jarl does not fit IMHO. The reaction I would expect is more like: "(S)He gags her before she is talking to me? What the hell are those people about? I ain't got time for their games. Avenicci, tell them to remove that gag or get the hell out of my palace. And also tell the Dragonborn to come visit me alone next time!"
Which might be a fun version too. I find it pretty odd how well people go along with those things anyway. Still, making it harder for a Jarl to interact with the person he wants to talk with (or vice versa) is over the top and makes no real sense. It's unlikely they would go along with such nonsense.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Talesien

[kayocey]

I am sure this has been brought up before, but I was just thinking earlier that MME could incorporate into this quite nicely. 

(only if its possible to make it optional of course for those that dont want it. )

[Antiope_Apollonia]

I just happened across this fun little mod:

And I wondered whether there might be any chance of incorporating this into SLTR?  It has open permissions and looks abandoned, so you should be able to pretty much cut-and-paste the relevant functionality into SLTR.  All I'm really imagining here is having these as options in the MCM configuration for armbinders and cuffs.  Antiope is always wearing DD cuffs to match her collar, and it's always bugged me that they couldn't be locked together.  This just seems like an elegant little solution, no?

[Hex Bolt]

25 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I wondered whether there might be any chance of incorporating this into SLTR?

I have that one, too.  Yes, something can be done with this, as well as a possible option for hands tied in town for a "handsy slave". 

[blahity]

On 5/3/2022 at 4:27 PM, HexBolt8 said:

What about an option to kiss your owner's bare feet?  Same animation, just with owner's footwear unequipped.  Yet another dialog branch could also satisfy the "sweaty feet" crowd.

I think an option to toggle off the entry event would be a good option for people who aren't into feet.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

1 hour ago, blahity said:

I think an option to toggle off the entry event would be a good option for people who aren't into feet.

I stand by my original idea from a long time ago of the No Foot Fetish version just using a crouch animation, e.g., maybe:

Spoiler

(not sure if there might be something better in ZAP/Vanilla) and just having Mistress talk about shining/cleaning her shoes.  We can imagine the cloth. ? 

[Roggvir]

Aynbody willing to share their "thoughts.json"? ...i need some inspiration.

[CaptainJ03]

32 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

Aynbody willing to share their "thoughts.json"? ...i need some inspiration.

Someone did that last August: Marine Kelley's thoughts.json

[Antiope_Apollonia]

So I've been trying to figure out ways to make slavery more immersive in my Skyrim.  I'd like to find something that modifies generic PC–NPC interactions to better fit.  There are a bunch of mods that do things in this space, but most of them are very maledom focused and don't fit very well for lesbian players.  And many of them just seem to be sloppily written; lots of typos, careless punctuation and capitalisation, etc.—nothing like the polish of SLTR.  A lot of it also seems too invasive; I'm not sure if vanilla behaviour of never acknowledging my being a slave is any less immersive than never talking about anything else. 

 

Since these mods are necessarily time-consuming to test by their very scope, I'm curious to hear other peoples' experiences using such mods, which ones you like in conjunction with SLTR, etc.

 

• Sexist/Derogatory Guards, NPCs and Player Comments 2.91
  • Quite maledom/misogynistic tone.
• BaboDialogue 4.31
  • Haven't tried it and the mod description isn't particularly helpful, but looks like another maledom/misogynistic one.
  • Looks like it might have some unnecessary feature bloat, too.
• SLSF Fame Comments SE 3.31
  • This one seems more gender egalitarian, and it looks like it should even have some explicit support for lesbian play with the "likes women" stat.
  • The mechanics around getting in legal trouble for public nudity and public sex seem like they'd cause a lot of problems with SLTR.
• Slaverun Device Comments - Standalone 1.0.1
  • Very maledom/misogynistic tone.
  • Very unpolished writing.
• Sexlab Survival SE 0.662 Beta
  • Very maledom/misogynistic tone.
  • Seems more geared toward a woman trying to remain free rather than a woman who has accepted a collar.  Where would Mistress fit in?
• Relationship Dialogue System (03/10/2021) 2.6
  • Not really acknowledging slavery; this one has different aims.
  • Being able to raise NPCs' disposition would be nice in conjunction with SLTR's "Confessions" event, especially if that mechanic is extended to "I Am Famous" in the future (fingers crossed).
  • Seems like having lovers all over Skyrim doesn't really fit with belonging to Mistress.

Any others out there that I've missed?  I'd really love to have something that is explicitly class-based and that acknowledges slavery directly, but in a way that doesn't make any assumptions about gender roles.  It doesn't seem to exist, though, unless I've missed something.

 

I'm currently co-developing a mod that will add a bunch of slavery quests with a lot of worldbuilding, but it's aimed more at the other side of the equation—i.e., player-as-slaver, built on PAHE.  Still, once the core functionality is done, and as I get less inept at modding, maybe I'll consider building in some conditional dialogues that check for an equipped collar.   Even if the desire to do the NPC-enslavement quests wouldn't be there for most SLTR users, the world building should be a good match, and there's plenty of homage to SLTR in the writing.

[Seeker999]

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

SLSF Fame Comments SE 3.31

• This one seems more gender egalitarian, and it looks like it should even have some explicit support for lesbian play with the "likes women" stat.
• The mechanics around getting in legal trouble for public nudity and public sex seem like they'd cause a lot of problems with SLTR.

In my current pt I use this and sublola.

SLSF Comments requires Sex lab - Sex Fame. In the SLSF MCM you can adjust 'comment probability' and 'update interval'. You can also adjust fame game probabilities, fame loss, and fame contagion (between holds).

In SLSF-C, you can select which types of fame events/comments you want to happen, including jarl warning letter/bounty events. The bounty may trigger vanilla guard or POP events, but has no lengthy events. Sex yes, rape maybe, stripping, etc. but the mod author isn't looking to implement anything that will take time or grossly interfere w/ your gameplay. IMO, you can probably adjust your settings in the 2 MCM's so that they flow with how you want to LOLA.

 

[blahity]

3 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Any others out there that I've missed?  I'd really love to have something that is explicitly class-based and that acknowledges slavery directly, but in a way that doesn't make any assumptions about gender roles.  It doesn't seem to exist, though, unless I've missed something.

 

I'm currently co-developing a mod that will add a bunch of slavery quests with a lot of worldbuilding, but it's aimed more at the other side of the equation—i.e., player-as-slaver, built on PAHE.  Still, once the core functionality is done, and as I get less inept at modding, maybe I'll consider building in some conditional dialogues that check for an equipped collar.   Even if the desire to do the NPC-enslavement quests wouldn't be there for most SLTR users, the world building should be a good match, and there's plenty of homage to SLTR in the writing.

A couple mods that I like to use is Public Whore and Love Sickness. I use PW as a kind of advanced prostitution job and that your MAster/Mistress is setting things up to get some "royalties" from having her slave be named the Public Whore. Love Sickness is just a fun mod in general and its overload mechanic can act as a sort of a mini mind break, and lowering resistance to love sickness acts in a similar way to a willpower stat.
 

A couple of integrations I think would be could would be:

• If Submissive Lola could detect when you are currently the Public Whore and use the prostitution thoughts from the Thoughts.json instead of the usual thoughts.
• Having to volunteer as PW as a replacement for the regular prostitution event at high levels of obedience would be fun.
• Some general Love Sickness/Sub Lola crossover fun would be rad too.

12 hours ago, Roggvir said:

Aynbody willing to share their "thoughts.json"? ...i need some inspiration.

Sure I can attach mine. I'm always making changes to it based on what I'm doing for my playthrough, and to fix awkward grammar.

 

Thoughts.json

Edited May 8, 2022 by blahity
Fixed an error in thoughts.json and added a bullet point.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

55 minutes ago, Seeker999 said:

Sex yes, rape maybe, stripping, etc.

How much control over this does the player retain?  I'm okay with sex, but I need SLTR-style control over who it's with.  I've never installed SoS and have no intent to do so, so a mod that forces me to submit to sex with males is a non-starter.  SLTR is perfect in this; Mistress is a vulva connoisseur, too, so she doesn't want any penises in her pet's fuckholes, either, and sex with undesirable genders just never even comes up.

  

49 minutes ago, Seeker999 said:

but the mod author isn't looking to implement anything that will take time or grossly interfere w/ your gameplay.

That's not really my concern.  I'm okay with being interfered with as long as it fits into my roleplaying frame.  And doesn't involve penises.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

34 minutes ago, blahity said:

A couple mods that I like to use is Public Whore and Love Sickness.

Neither of these satisfy criterion numero uno: only female sexual partners.