Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Desvati]

Updated to 4.2, fresh game, can't seem to do the horse grooming task anymore - trying to interact with the horse just doesn't do anything. No problems before then.

[Monoman1]

10 hours ago, Desvati said:

Updated to 4.2, fresh game, can't seem to do the horse grooming task anymore - trying to interact with the horse just doesn't do anything. No problems before then.

Hum. When I was looking at it you could use the horse without getting the task from father. And you could do it ad infinitum. So I added check taskHorse.GetValue() == 1

What's your value for 'pchsTaskHorse' in the console?

[lcewolf]

11 hours ago, Desvati said:

Updated to 4.2, fresh game, can't seem to do the horse grooming task anymore - trying to interact with the horse just doesn't do anything. No problems before then.

I confirm it. Doesn't seem to work anymore.

[nswat]

My "father" just gave me "Black Ebony restrective gloves

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Do anyone know why this happens?
Boots are working fine.

SkirimMods.txt

Edited June 25, 2021 by nswat

[Desvati]

10 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Hum. When I was looking at it you could use the horse without getting the task from father. And you could do it ad infinitum. So I added check taskHorse.GetValue() == 1

What's your value for 'pchsTaskHorse' in the console?

It says its at 1.00

EDIT: Its at 1.00 after getting the task from Father, it goes up to 2.00 after talking to Skulvar, and of course, the stallion can't be interacted with.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Desvati

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, Desvati said:

Its at 1.00 after getting the task from Father, it goes up to 2.00 after talking to Skulvar

Ah ok. That's where I've gone wrong. If you set it to one you should be ok. 

53 minutes ago, nswat said:

Do anyone know why this happens?

Looks like you didn't build the meshes?

[Desvati]

That fixed it!

[Monoman1]

I'm not certain about this so I'm asking: has anyone noticed that if you have devious gloves/boots equipped that makeup seems to stop degrading and doesn't seem to be limited to just nail polish but also lipstick/eyeshadow? 

 

Even if lipstick/eyeshadow was to continue to degrade I'm not sure I'm enjoying the wearing of devious boots/gloves outside the home if they're going to basically stop half of the fashion job. I guess what I wanted from devious boots/gloves mainly was for the player to wear heels outside the home too. Difficult to reconcile both mechanics. 

 

Also it seems FHU is wrecking equip status of stockings. I'm not sure what method it's using to unequip things but it appears to not be performing basic checks - even devious devices are being unequipped temporarily. 

[Iroha]

46 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I'm not certain about this so I'm asking: has anyone noticed that if you have devious gloves/boots equipped that makeup seems to stop degrading and doesn't seem to be limited to just nail polish but also lipstick/eyeshadow? 

 

Even if lipstick/eyeshadow was to continue to degrade I'm not sure I'm enjoying the wearing of devious boots/gloves outside the home if they're going to basically stop half of the fashion job. I guess what I wanted from devious boots/gloves mainly was for the player to wear heels outside the home too. Difficult to reconcile both mechanics. 

 

Also it seems FHU is wrecking equip status of stockings. I'm not sure what method it's using to unequip things but it appears to not be performing basic checks - even devious devices are being unequipped temporarily. 

As of FHU, nylons tries to unequip too(fails due to shopes equiped), 1.552v (src available) on bakas patreon have armor slot stripping settings.

about lipstick and eyeshadow and DD equiped- didn't go far enought to tell.

I'm too encountered pchsHorsetask setted to 2, but thought that its problem in my new fresh start since I didn't found any change in horsetask script and horcetask dialogue topics in esp

Edited June 25, 2021 by Iroha

[Desvati]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

I'm not certain about this so I'm asking: has anyone noticed that if you have devious gloves/boots equipped that makeup seems to stop degrading and doesn't seem to be limited to just nail polish but also lipstick/eyeshadow? 

 

Even if lipstick/eyeshadow was to continue to degrade I'm not sure I'm enjoying the wearing of devious boots/gloves outside the home if they're going to basically stop half of the fashion job. I guess what I wanted from devious boots/gloves mainly was for the player to wear heels outside the home too. Difficult to reconcile both mechanics. 

 

Also it seems FHU is wrecking equip status of stockings. I'm not sure what method it's using to unequip things but it appears to not be performing basic checks - even devious devices are being unequipped temporarily. 

I personally felt the boots and gloves were a bit at odds with having your finger/toenails done (as you'd basically never see them) so I changed them up to ankle shackles and handcuffs for the moment. Haven't reached the bondage stuff on this playthrough yet, though, so I can't comment on the yps interaction so far.

But it could be an idea to switch out the gloves/boots for something else. To keep you wearing his heels, maybe make them a proper bondage item so that you can't just plop them off every time you get out of sight of Father?

[Iroha]

I think using conditions like this is bad, since depravity growns very fast, sex counter can be fast too due to many time needed for completing tasks,

therefore it's easy to skip first vaginal sex(and naked service, of course). I think it's better to use pchsPCGave#### globals with some of these conditions, for all choices - not zero to skip to next stage, and in next stages - with not zero in previous.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Iroha

[Iroha]

6 hours ago, Desvati said:

I personally felt the boots and gloves were a bit at odds with having your finger/toenails done (as you'd basically never see them) so I changed them up to ankle shackles and handcuffs for the moment. Haven't reached the bondage stuff on this playthrough yet, though, so I can't comment on the yps interaction so far.

But it could be an idea to switch out the gloves/boots for something else. To keep you wearing his heels, maybe make them a proper bondage item so that you can't just plop them off every time you get out of sight of Father?

+1

[blarghxxx]

This seems to be a great addition to SL Survival! Sadly I have an issue with the dogwalking quest. As I've read in this thread there should be a cage to interact with, but there isn't. I do have SD Cages installled but I've yet to see any cages in game. Is this a known issue?

 

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, blarghxxx said:

This seems to be a great addition to SL Survival! Sadly I have an issue with the dogwalking quest. As I've read in this thread there should be a cage to interact with, but there isn't. I do have SD Cages installled but I've yet to see any cages in game. Is this a known issue?

 

Both the cage and the door are from Zaz. Might be some difference between Zaz pack versions....

Cage: xx053835

Door: xx053854

 

Check these. 

[Monoman1]

3 hours ago, Iroha said:

I think using conditions like this is bad, since depravity growns very fast, sex counter can be fast too due to many time needed for completing tasks,

therefore it's easy to skip first vaginal sex(and naked service, of course). I think it's better to use pchsPCGave#### globals with some of these conditions, for all choices - not zero to skip to next stage, and in next stages - with not zero in previous.

Yep I'd agree with that on principle. 

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, Iroha said:

+1

+1 for me too since I'm the person that brought it up

 

The question is what to do about it. There aren't really any more devious devices left that could be used to put you in your place that don't crossover with some other mechanic or feature. 

Cuffs are ok. 

Boots & gloves - conflict with fashion

piercings - preferably do immersive fashion piercings instead of DD piercings (since every other mod does DD piercings)

chastity? - Not too interested in that myself

plugs - already covered

collar - already done

suits/strait jackets/pet suits - not appropriate at all IMO.

Gag - ....Nah, too much hassle talking to father then.

Blindfold? - Mmm, maybe in the house only? But nah, I mostly find blindfolds annoying.

 

There's no other device road to go down really as far as I can see....

 

I may actually roll back the boots/gloves entirely.,,

Edited June 26, 2021 by Monoman1

[Silvain]

I wouldn't mind if you removed gloves and boots again. It just bites itself with the fasion feature which I like more. And maybe expanding upon that would be a better fit?

 

After a supply run Father hears that his daughter is not behaving well in town. Not wearing her heels and being rude with his friends (Belethor and the guys from the party?). So he talks with his friends allowing them to educate her if they see her misbehaving. And even if the devious little thing comes to like the punishment, they still take a bit of gold off of her. Education is not free.

 

I'll start a new run soonish. I have just discovered HalgarisRPGLoot and it's Synthesis patcher... Now I have around 700.000 (o.o) armor and weapons with random style enchantments based on a few enchantment mods from the nexus and a way too big armor merge for regular armors, sexy armors and bikini armors + a whole bunch of weapons in my game that need to be discovered.

 

Anyway as soon as I got around to sort out a few leftover conflicts I'll have an eye on the make up not degrading. I think I did wonder that myself one time. But I did not progress any further with the mod so I didn't pay it anymore attention.

[Iroha]

9 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

+1 for me too since I'm the person that brought it up

 

The question is what to do about it. There aren't really any more devious devices left that could be used to put you in your place that don't crossover with some other mechanic or feature. 

Cuffs are ok. 

Boots & gloves - conflict with fashion

piercings - preferably do immersive fashion piercings instead of DD piercings (since every other mod does DD piercings)

chastity? - Not too interested in that myself

plugs - already covered

collar - already done

suits/strait jackets/pet suits - not appropriate at all IMO.

Gag - ....Nah, too much hassle talking to father then.

Blindfold? - Mmm, maybe in the house only? But nah, I mostly find blindfolds annoying.

 

There's no other device road to go down really as far as I can see....

 

I may actually roll back the boots/gloves entirely.,,

totally argee with your thoughts.

Personally, I think it's not bad decision to remove these boots&gloves from bondage progression, on other side it can be replaced with something like HDT ankle chains from zaz, or with some chain harness, but in that case new items should be made(with standart zaz paths to cover bodyslide if its available) to take specific slots that will not conflict with others. Pircings seems to be good idea.

Also, maybe it will be good to make mcm options for bondage stuff (and custom item slots configuration?), but it will require some script modifications, which can be complicated

Edited June 26, 2021 by Iroha

[blarghxxx]

10 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Both the cage and the door are from Zaz. Might be some difference between Zaz pack versions....

Cage: xx053835

Door: xx053854

 

Check these. 

Turns out I was still using ZaZ 7. After upgrade to ZaZ 8 it now works. 

Sadly now the horse grooming does no longer work. After talking to Skulvar I can't "talk" to the stallion (quest markers are set for both skulvar and the stallion). 

But the mod seems fun enough to put up with the odd bug ?

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, blarghxxx said:

now the horse grooming does no longer work. After talking to Skulvar I can't "talk" to the stallion

Thats my booboo. Just do

Set pchsTaskHorse to 1

[Desvati]

11 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

+1 for me too since I'm the person that brought it up

 

The question is what to do about it. There aren't really any more devious devices left that could be used to put you in your place that don't crossover with some other mechanic or feature. 

Cuffs are ok. 

Boots & gloves - conflict with fashion

piercings - preferably do immersive fashion piercings instead of DD piercings (since every other mod does DD piercings)

chastity? - Not too interested in that myself

plugs - already covered

collar - already done

suits/strait jackets/pet suits - not appropriate at all IMO.

Gag - ....Nah, too much hassle talking to father then.

Blindfold? - Mmm, maybe in the house only? But nah, I mostly find blindfolds annoying.

 

There's no other device road to go down really as far as I can see....

 

I may actually roll back the boots/gloves entirely.,,

So, personally, I like the idea of father having stages for the things he gives you (more milk as you level, arm/leg cuffs > boots/gloves etc.) and I wouldn't necessarily want to see the feature go away as change. My immediate suggestion for similar bondage would be to have father put Handcuffs (Or Wrist Shackles) on the player, as well as leg shackles. Handcuffs are a bit more detrimental to the player than wrist shackles (the former prevent you equipping items, I think, while they're on, the latter are just cute chains that dangle from your wrists), while the leg shackles obviously slow you down some.

A gag is an interesting option, and I believe there is (was?) an option in DD or DCL to make certain NPCs always understand you regardless of the gag, which could be applied to father.

On piercings, it could still be considered a "deviant" option even if you went for the YPS option, that way it could work as a sort-of fusion of the two paths. Earrings to make you look more fashionable, nipple piercings to show you're a "devious" little minx.

Alternatively, he could "upgrade" the collar and heels he gives you with new enchantments that help show just what a good daughter you've become.

[Iroha]

On 6/26/2021 at 3:45 AM, Monoman1 said:

Yep I'd agree with that on principle. 

Not tested conditions, which I think will feet better

upd2. tested and tweaked a little, works fine for me. Of course, I could miss something, but generally - no harm possible.

 

pchsWartimes conditions proposal.esp

Edited June 27, 2021 by Iroha

[Alis_999]

Nice mod, but... So... I can't end the quest if i choose Slave-Wife route, right?

[Iroha]

7 hours ago, Alis_999 said:

Nice mod, but... So... I can't end the quest if i choose Slave-Wife route, right?

Well, family life is something that should not be ended right after marriage, isn't it?)

[Alis_999]

27 minutes ago, Iroha said:

Well, family life is something that should not be ended right after marriage, isn't it?)

This is not the answer to my question. Thanks for the pointless information.