Submissive Lola: The resubmission

[Hex Bolt]

27 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

if I want to roleplay a straight female master with a female player character, there does not seem to be a way to prevent the master from demanding sex from the player.

The mod has always assumed that sex would occur between the PC and owner.  The PC is frequently referred to as a sex slave.  I suppose that could be for prostitution, but the assumption has always been that the PC is sexually desirable to the owner, even if the owner isn't normally interested in the PC's gender.  You're special.  I'm not sure if allowing an arousal threshold of 101 would stop all sex demands.  I'd also have to rework special case handling for when owner arousal reaches 100 and the owner gets very demanding, though that's doable.  If you're okay with a half-way solution with no guarantees, I could raise the cap on arousal threshold to 101.

28 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

I find it very disconcerting when my vampire master asks for food or beverages.

Is it so unusual that an adventuring vampire (not the usual sort who lurk in castles or dungeons) would still enjoy food & drink?  The owner might not need it but could still want it.  Wouldn't it be especially entertaining if you have to hurry to get something your master doesn't even need?  And what about sweetrolls?  Even vampires need sweetrolls, you know.  Think about it.  If you still can't justify it, bring it up again and I'll see what can be done.

34 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

I would like an MCM option to set the frequency, in order to be able to roleplay a very thirsty, demanding vampire master.

Heh, you just stood my fix on its head.  Right now it's triggered by desire for sex, the same as in the original mod.  If you turn off sex with owner, you turn off feeding.  If you allow more feeding, you probably end up with less sex.  I should make feeding its own event outcome.  That might not get into today's promised update.  I can add a random chance check rather than a cooldown for frequency, but you'd be at the mercy of the random number generator.  I'll give it some thought.  SLTR just isn't a good vampire follower simulator.

37 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

Does the Submissive Lola master ever require the player character to have sex with another follower? Or are followers excluded?

I believe they're always excluded.  Since MrEsturk had done something with a second follower for another mod, it's been my hope that he will do that here when he returns, and sex with another follower (2-way or 3-way) would be reasonable.  That's something I haven't wanted to touch, especially if it might step on any plans MrEsturk might have there.  Likewise, he has a plan for a Markarth event so I've stayed away from that.

43 minutes ago, RMCW said:

I noticed a typo in the dialogue at beginning of prostitution quest BTW.

Thanks, I will look for it.

[Herowynne]

41 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I'll give it some thought.  SLTR just isn't a good vampire follower simulator.

You're the best, @HexBolt8 ! I appreciate your considering it.

 

I also think that you are selling Submissive Lola short on its vampire master roleplay abilities.

 

Molag Bal is the Daedric prince of domination and vampirism, among other things. I feel that a Submissive Lola master is the perfect fit for a vampire master that is serious about his or her duties to Molag Bal.

[Gräfin Zeppelin]

Its so far the only Vampire follower simulator

 

I would love more Vampire support too.

[Herowynne]

55 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Wouldn't it be especially entertaining if you have to hurry to get something your master doesn't even need?

Yes, that makes sense. I can support that. But the Submissive Lola master actually drinks the beverage you give them. If we can't turn off the Run Lola Run event quest, then maybe a vampire master doesn't drink the beverage?

 

 

54 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

rework special case handling for when owner arousal reaches 100 and the owner gets very demanding, though that's doable.  If you're okay with a half-way solution with no guarantees, I could raise the cap on arousal threshold to 101.

Yes, that would be great, and very much appreciated!

[Hex Bolt]

22 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

But the Submissive Lola master actually drinks the beverage you give them.

This Elder Scrolls lore page claims that they can:  "Vampires are capable of eating mortal food, but won't derive the sustenance they need from it. They can still become intoxicated by partaking in alcoholic beverages."  Just opening up the possibility that a vampire could consume these items and might even enjoy doing so.  If you're willing to view your vampire master this way it makes sense, and perhaps your master is a little eccentric.  He certainly seems to be indulging his cattle a lot, even treating one as a pet.  Again, just something to think about. 

[Herowynne]

56 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

This Elder Scrolls lore page claims that they can

Okay, you've convinced me. No need for vampire master changes with "Run Lola Run" or "Stewing Master".

 

Kudos for finding a lore entry which points to an ESO quest that coincides with this mod's behavior! Good job!

[Hex Bolt]

For you vampire slaves (looking at @Herowynne and @Gräfin Zeppelin), blood drinking is still a sex event, just as it was in the original mod.  It should be handled separately, but that requires thought and time, so not for today's update.  I intend to move vampiric feeding to a non-sex event, but it can't happen today.  To fix the feeding spam, feeding will be limited to once per day for now.  If you set the owner arousal threshold to 101 (I got that in for today) you will never see feeding, because it's currently treated as sex.

[Hex Bolt]

Update:  Fixes

 

This patch requires version 1.0 to have already been installed.  Previous updates for 1.0 are included in this update.  You don't need earlier updates.

 

Edit:  Deleted obsolete patch.

 

Items that you are given for Fashion Slave, as well as gags, blindfolds, hoods, and so on, are now removed at the end of the quest.
You used to be able to keep one gag, blindfold, etc., but that was causing problems.
If you have old fashion items, please get rid of them.
You will be redressed at the end of Fashion Slave when your fashion items are removed.

 

Owner arousal threshold can now be set to 101.  
I'm not making any promises to support no sex with your owner, but you can use this as you like.

 

Vampire owners will only drink your blood once a day.
An owner whose gold is below the poverty setting will not take your gold during forced prostitution.
Added more safeguards so an owner only takes gold when it should happen.
Gold wasn't being removed from owner when paying you an allowance.  Now it is.
You were not being rewarded or punished for agreeing or disagreeing to the Lights Out quest (missing scripts).  Fixed now.
Made it so that this mod's bondage mittens, hobble dresses, boots, and ballet heels cannot be unenchanted.

[CaptainJ03]

Apologies for being so unspecific what I couldn't do in Confessions.

Mistress instructs me what to tell them, but the right dialogue option is missing.

One time I should tell them how I lick her feet and her pussy, so that they shudder at the thought where my tongue has been. And these were the options I had - all wrong:

Spoiler

 

[shiagwen]

Thanks for the update.

now poverty is attractive to play.

 

1. When comes first regular prostitution ? mcm time started from mod start ?

2. What are the chances that prostitution comes at 100% in mcm ?

3. Do RP-Quests Homevisits etc) count towards clients ? ***

4. Force Drug (Skooma Whore if installed) ?

5. What is the keyword for the slave collar ? 

6. I still hope you replace the whipping pose

 

some words about devious devices.

i love them. they have enormous sex power. But you cant play the game with it, everybody should know. Even inside cities you want to craft and need your hands free. Gag must have an option to disable mmhhpppff . there is a console command set zaddialoguegagdisable to 1, but this must be renewed every game load.

 

*** RP counts clients in SexLab Diary as Clients. If you can use this, not only quest clients will count, but also clients who want a repeat count double.

[CaptainJ03]

Sooo, I've tried to confirm the bug I reported yesterday with the Fashion Slave items being removed from a container. (w/o installing the nightly patch)

I have to admit that you were right - it's not the containers. The items vanish from my inventory!

As I wrote yesterday, I cannot equip other DD in the same slot as long as these Fashion Slave items are in my inventory. To confirm that they vanish from a chest, and that these don't equip when they're not in my inventory, I put on some black ebonite stuff, slept, went away, came back to the chest - the stuff's still there. Tried another chest, stuff still there. Un-equipped the catsuit and put on sth else (same slot) to check how the FS stuff behaves when it had been in a chest and is back in my inventory. Everything worked fine - but where is the Hobble Dress? Un-equipped the other boots, and in this very moment the FS boots vanish from my inventory. Same with the gloves. This is really cryptic behaviour!

BTW when I was selling stuff to Beirand (Solitude smith) the FS items were in my sales list, though they're listed as Clothing.

 

 

Sorry for the lengthy text, I tried to be as precise as possible - and english is not my mothertongue.

[darktej]

@HexBolt8 hi there. I may have run into an issue. with the recent patch...the sub dialogue "I want to tell you something" seems to be missing. 

[Teddar]

10 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Apologies for being so unspecific what I couldn't do in Confessions.

Mistress instructs me what to tell them, but the right dialogue option is missing.

One time I should tell them how I lick her feet and her pussy, so that they shudder at the thought where my tongue has been. And these were the options I had - all wrong:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Just a suggestion but make sure you're scrolling all the way down the list of dialogue options. I thought i had this issue, then realised that there was one more option at the bottom of the list which was the one i was looking for.

[Moacir Jr]

12 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Update:  Fixes

 

This patch requires version 1.0 to have already been installed.  Previous updates for 1.0 are included in this update.  You don't need earlier updates.

Submissive Lola Resubmission Patch - 2 Sept 2020.7z 196.22 kB · 48 downloads

 

Items that you are given for Fashion Slave, as well as gags, blindfolds, hoods, and so on, are now removed at the end of the quest.
You used to be able to keep one gag, blindfold, etc., but that was causing problems.
If you have old fashion items, please get rid of them.
You will be redressed at the end of Fashion Slave when your fashion items are removed.

 

Owner arousal threshold can now be set to 101.  
I'm not making any promises to support no sex with your owner, but you can use this as you like.

 

Vampire owners will only drink your blood once a day.
An owner whose gold is below the poverty setting will not take your gold during forced prostitution.
Added more safeguards so an owner only takes gold when it should happen.
Gold wasn't being removed from owner when paying you an allowance.  Now it is.
You were not being rewarded or punished for agreeing or disagreeing to the Lights Out quest (missing scripts).  Fixed now.
Made it so that this mod's bondage mittens, hobble dresses, boots, and ballet heels cannot be unenchanted.

Thank you so much, the part "Vampire owners will only drink your blood once a day." is working like a charm. Thanks.

 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, darktej said:

the sub dialogue "I want to tell you something" seems to be missing. 

It's only available once per game day, so it's probably on cooldown.

[just_Gina]

@shiagwen  *** RP counts clients in SexLab Diary as Clients. If you can use this, not only quest clients will count, but also clients who want a repeat count double.

 

I actually like that it doesn't count as more than one. Since you are told to do so many, and not earn a certain amount, it helps add to the feeling of being powerless when a couple clients want repeats. Maybe not important for a consensual slave, but really immersive when sold into slavery.

 

Too bad the kneeling mechanic isn't tied into the collar like SD+. Be cool if when the Master sits, he demanded his slave to kneel before him. Probably be too hard to do, because followers tend to stand as soon as you approach them. But still, be a cool visual to have to kneel at their feet until they were ready to get up. 

 

This has quickly become my all time favorite mod because of its quality and versatility. No mod can cover everyone's bases, but with a mod here or a mod there, and some fiddling 

with the settings, this comes closer than any before it.

[CaptainJ03]

I've had another run-in with the Thieves Guild... no, wrong line. Another issue.

In A Stewing Mistress I am asked to cook something, knowing this I run around with half a green grocer's shop. But as I am curently Seeking The Curse for Laura's Bondageshop, I am gagged - and stay gagged because in the small towns where Mistress wants a home cooked meal there's no blacksmith.

But: with the DD Gag no-food effect I am not only unable to eat anything, but I cannot access my food for cooking. Which is utter nonsense.

Don't know if you can fix that, so that either the ingedients are accessible for cooking or this quest doesn't trigger when Lola wears a ball gag, just wanted to make you aware of this.

Seems I'm going to get whipped. Again.

 

1 hour ago, just_Gina said:

Too bad the kneeling mechanic isn't tied into the collar like SD+. Be cool if when the Master sits, he demanded his slave to kneel before him. Probably be too hard to do, because followers tend to stand as soon as you approach them. But still, be a cool visual to have to kneel at their feet until they were ready to get up.

Oooh yes, I would like that!

 

1 hour ago, just_Gina said:

This has quickly become my all time favorite mod because of its quality and versatility. No mod can cover everyone's bases, but with a mod here or a mod there, and some fiddling with the settings, this comes closer than any before it.

I totally agree. I tried DFC, but that didn't feel right for me. It's all about money and trickery, this is about submission. And if I don't want to, I can sulk and tell her (or at least try to) that I'm not doing her silly errands. Never! Only if you promise me a spanking!!! ?

 

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Ran into a problem.  My master is stuck telling me the intro to Pimp My Adventurer, but the quest never starts.  Every time I try to talk to him he says one of the variations of how that quest is begun, but it fails to start.  Sometimes another quest will take precedence, like Run Lola Run, but then you can't turn it in because you can't get to his regular dialogue to hand it over.  It may have been caused because I didn't talk to him where he first wanted to offer me the job, maybe, because I noticed it happening when I got to Fort Dawnguard.  Not sure it would normally trigger there.  Any way to get around this?

[darktej]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

It's only available once per game day, so it's probably on cooldown.

ya I am aware and checked it...waited 2 days...nothing unfortunately  maybe something on my end

[Hex Bolt]

@shiagwen, a slave collar should have the keyword zbfWornCollar or zad_DeviousCollar, either will work.  Prostitution can occur when score is at least 20 and when you are in a hold capital during the day and outside (not in a building).  There is some randomness to which events will start.  RP Home Visits do count toward clients.  I believe (but I have not confirmed) that you get credit for each time to have sex with the main client (the one you have to talk to for Home Visit).  Sex with his friends does not count.  If you want to finish prostitution quickly, avoid the Home Visit/Delivery jobs, though they do pay well.  It's a trade-off.  RP's "repeat" with the same client only counts once. 

 

@CaptainJ03, those fashion items behave strangely with DD items.  Just get rid of any that you still have.  Drop them in a barrel.  The mod will remove them from now on.  That solves the conflicts and selling issues.  For the confessions, as Teddar said you might just nave to scroll further.  There will always be 6 choices, one of which is correct.  I don't see anything that would prevent the correct one from appearing.  Regarding the gag hiding your food, that's funny.  Well maybe not to your owner.  DD is is temporarily removing the food from your inventory, so there's no way to cook with it.  I will block the Stewing quest from starting if you have the Gag No Food effect.

3 hours ago, just_Gina said:

Too bad the kneeling mechanic isn't tied into the collar like SD+.

That could be tricky.  If your follower decides to sit but you want to talk to an NPC (or maybe you were ordered to) you don't want to be stuck kneeling.

2 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

My master is stuck telling me the intro to Pimp My Adventurer, but the quest never starts.

I will investigate.  Possibly there's a bad condition.  StopQuest vkjPimpedBasic will stop the quest.

2 hours ago, darktej said:

waited 2 days...nothing unfortunately

I will look.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

My master is stuck telling me the intro to Pimp My Adventurer, but the quest never starts.  Every time I try to talk to him he says one of the variations of how that quest is begun, but it fails to start.

I don't see anything wrong.  I could use more info.  Here's what should happen:

Owner says one or two lines.

Your response is Master/Mistress?

Owner says something more and tells you to be sure to clean up when you're done.

You then have several responses.  The one to start the job is "I shall do as you say."

 

If you never see "Master/Mistress?", it might be some other blocking dialog interfering.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, darktej said:

waited 2 days...nothing unfortunately

You also must not be wearing a gag.  The assumption is gagged slave = naughty slave.  I don't see anything else that would stop it from showing up.  There are conditions on many of the options after "I want to tell you" but some of them should always be valid.

[darktej]

7 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

You also must not be wearing a gag.  The assumption is gagged slave = naughty slave.  I don't see anything else that would stop it from showing up.  There are conditions on many of the options after "I want to tell you" but some of them should always be valid.

the only DD item I had eequipped on my PC was the collar. my PC did get punished for failing a task. but that was a few days ago (Skyrimm time). still the dialogue does not show. my PC has a submission score of approx. 97.   but what I can remember doing was uninstalling the 1st september patch and then I installed the 2nd september patch. 

[Teddar]

24 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I don't see anything wrong.  I could use more info.  Here's what should happen:

Owner says one or two lines.

Your response is Master/Mistress?

Owner says something more and tells you to be sure to clean up when you're done.

You then have several responses.  The one to start the job is "I shall do as you say."

 

If you never see "Master/Mistress?", it might be some other blocking dialog interfering.

This is the problem I have been having. I went back to an old pre mod save and installed version 1.0 without any patches. The prostitution quest fires off normally and the quest starts and ends with no issues. It also  works with RP installed. With the (last) patch installed, the dialogue works but the quest doesn't not appear to start. That said, if I use the stop quest command, I get a quest ending notification even though the quest isn't running if I "getstage" in the console. I don't know if that is significant? I haven't tried it again with the latest patch installed yet because its working right now without any patches, and I'm scared to try it ?

[Hex Bolt]

13 minutes ago, darktej said:

my PC has a submission score of approx. 97.

I tried it with score 97 ("very submissive") and I'm seeing it.  For me it's right under "Would you like to fuck me?" in the Master/Mistress dialogs.  I'm sorry, I just don't see anything wrong.  The only conditions are that you must not be wearing a gag, and the 24-hour period before it's available again.  I was able to use it, then I waited 25 hours and it appeared again.