OsmelMC Mod Tweaks

[OsmelMC]

14 minutes ago, Mrfishkies said:

The latest update of SLU+ won't open properly for me.

 

On install, using MO2, I get an error "File 'skyrim.esm'  is not active."

 

Anyone else having issues?

 

Thanks,

 

I tested the Setup file on MO2 few times before release it and work fine...

 

This Mod is for Skyrim so the file "Skyrim.esm" is hard dependency. Since the MO2 can be used for many Games make sure that you are installing the mod in your MO2 Instance or Profile for Skyrim and make sure that the "Skyrim.esm" be the first on the "Plugins" list

[OsmelMC]

20 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

I cant get the tongues to show up in game or in the drop down menue in expressions.
I cleaned System and Reset Expression Registry, no change. 

I tried to get them with additem menu for external testing, but could not even find the Sexlab Utility Plus

what did I do wrong? 

I am on LE btw. 

EDIT: I think I got the right tongues via search for "tongues" directly (tongue 1-10) but when I equip them they do not move. 

Is it possible to install SMP on LE for this to work somehow? 

 

EDIT 2: 
seems I have all Ahego expressions twice in my Expression drop down menu in Sexlab MCM? 

First you need the "SexLab UtilityPlus.esp" installed and enabled. 

Then you can use the Clean System or the "Reset Expressions Registry" to properly install the Tongues and Ahegao Expressions since apparently your first time the ESP file was disabled and to prevent errors the Ahegao Expressions don't get assigned the Tongues.

If you already used the clean system you can use the "Reset Expressions Registry" that is faster than the full reset but was broken on previous versions until you use the Clean System for this version.

 

The Ahegao Expressions are double because the second group is for Beast Races and I forget to set "Ahegao Beast" on the name. Like I said the Beast are Work In Progress, but you can try it or disable it.

[Nymra]

34 minutes ago, OsmelMC said:

First you need the "SexLab UtilityPlus.esp" installed and enabled. 

Then you can use the Clean System or the "Reset Expressions Registry" to properly install the Tongues and Ahegao Expressions since apparently your first time the ESP file was disabled and to prevent errors the Ahegao Expressions don't get assigned the Tongues.

If you already used the clean system you can use the "Reset Expressions Registry" that is faster than the full reset but was broken on previous versions until you use the Clean System for this version.

 

The Ahegao Expressions are double because the second group is for Beast Races and I forget to set "Ahegao Beast" on the name. Like I said the Beast are Work In Progress, but you can try it or disable it.

 

I did all that, tongues do not show up in game or in the dropdown menu
the ESP was never disabled

Edited November 27, 2021 by Nymra

[Mrfishkies]

1 hour ago, OsmelMC said:

 

I tested the Setup file on MO2 few times before release it and work fine...

 

This Mod is for Skyrim so the file "Skyrim.esm" is hard dependency. Since the MO2 can be used for many Games make sure that you are installing the mod in your MO2 Instance or Profile for Skyrim and make sure that the "Skyrim.esm" be the first on the "Plugins" list

 

Thanks for the feedback.  Redownloaded copy and had to exit MO2 and restart it to get the file to load.  Problem was on my end.  All is well.

 

Thank you for your work on these mods.  Much appreciated.....

[OsmelMC]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

 

I did all that, tongues do not show up in game or in the dropdown menu
the ESP was never disabled

You are right... One of the ESP for the LE version don't  have the FomList for the Face Items.

 

 

Uploading Now...

[Nymra]

11 minutes ago, OsmelMC said:

You are right... One of the ESP for the LE version don't  have the FomList for the Face Items.

 

 

Uploading Now...

 

thx alot. I relally love both ahego faces (they add more variety, yeah!) and also the tongues, especially the tongues are such a big deal! 
Will test later... I fight with my own ESP right now, haha

[OsmelMC]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

 

thx alot. I relally love both ahego faces (they add more variety, yeah!) and also the tongues, especially the tongues are such a big deal! 
Will test later... I fight with my own ESP right now, haha

 

Let me know if some tongue is broken. I did my best to make it work even if the SMP is not installed but I can't test it right now on LE. 

 

Of course when I said "make it work without SMP" is just prevent get disfigured. I don't have the knowledge to recreate the physics for the HDT Physics of the LE but I will try (eventually).

 

By the way, for I know is possible install the SMP on LE but I never tried.

[Elizinator]

5 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

 

Because your problem is not in the SexLab...

Some other mod is overriding the actor expressions.

If you have "Conditional Expressions" installed you need my Patch for "Conditional Expressions". In case be another mod you have to remove it or let me know the name to download it and make a Patch.

 

By the way I did the required updates for the SLSO scripts included on the SLU+ so is 100% safe and compatible.

okay, will try that. i do have conditional expressions, and i was using conditional expressions extended from this very site. ill try removing that and using your patch. thanks for the reply!

 

EDIT: no change. nothing is overriding SLU+, nothing is overriding SLSO EXCEPT SLU+, nothing is overriding conditional expressions patch.

expressions are static. disabling SLU+ and patch re-enables expressions, but also reintroduces micro-scale after scene bug.

Edited November 27, 2021 by Elizinator

[OsmelMC]

5 minutes ago, Elizinator said:

okay, will try that. i do have conditional expressions, and i was using conditional expressions extended from this very site. ill try removing that and using your patch. thanks for the reply!

 

This year the 90% of the complaining about SexLab Expressions not working was caused by the "Conditional Expressions" Mod

 

For that reason I did the Patch

[Hamed.xxx23]

Hey OsmelMC 

There is a bug when a sexlab scene starts pubic hair color turns to white ( or without color)  is there a fix for this?

[PippinTom]

@OsmelMC SLATE tag editor - search inconsistency. I have no idea if that's bug from original mod or from SLU patch, and it's nothing critical/game breaking, but either way I post it ad acta.

 

repro: define some simple custom search&replace, like this one:

 

    "All non-rape 2p forced",
    "2",
    "Forced",
    "FALSE",
    "Rape,Oral,Blowjob",
    "Rape"

 

Run it, and apply Rape tag. Make a save. Load that save.

Run the same search again - exactly the same set of animations will be returned but this time they will have also recently added "Rape" tag what makes no sense because it would mean that 5th field (exclusions) is ignored - otherwise list at this point should be empty.

 

My theory is that mod searches thru original SLAL/animation jsons instead of current "SL registry" (if such thing exists) and at the same time displays search results using current data for "SL registry" - what is confusing. If I assumed correctly - useful stuff from json content is "copied" to some SL friendly structure during registration of animations, so there is actually no point for SLATE to dig thru source/static data while there is more current and actually active version of it already available in SL / save game, right?

 

[OsmelMC]

21 minutes ago, PippinTom said:

@OsmelMC SLATE tag editor - search inconsistency. I have no idea if that's bug from original mod or from SLU patch, and it's nothing critical/game breaking, but either way I post it ad acta.

 

repro: define some simple custom search&replace, like this one:

 

    "All non-rape 2p forced",
    "2",
    "Forced",
    "FALSE",
    "Rape,Oral,Blowjob",
    "Rape"

 

Run it, and apply Rape tag. Make a save. Load that save.

Run the same search again - exactly the same set of animations will be returned but this time they will have also recently added "Rape" tag what makes no sense because it would mean that 5th field (exclusions) is ignored - otherwise list at this point should be empty.

 

My theory is that mod searches thru original SLAL/animation jsons instead of current "SL registry" (if such thing exists) and at the same time displays search results using current data for "SL registry" - what is confusing. If I assumed correctly - useful stuff from json content is "copied" to some SL friendly structure during registration of animations, so there is actually no point for SLATE to dig thru source/static data while there is more current and actually active version of it already available in SL / save game, right?

 

 

Is not a SLATE bug, but is a bug. In this case is caused by the SexLab Animation CACHE that like I said many times don't get updated after use some external mod like the SLATE to change the Animations Tags. 

 

For that reason I recommend use the "Clean Animations CACHE" option on the SexLab MCM after use the SLATE.

 

By the way SLATE have never checked the Animations JSON files. Is useless and the only Mod I know that read those files is the "SexLab Animation Load"; not even the "SexLab Framework" reed those files. By the way the"Sexlab Framework" at lease the LE version can read some Animation JSON files but not those made by the "SL Animation Load".

 

 

I should add the function to update the CACHE on the SLATE. At lease for the SexLab new versions

[OsmelMC]

4 hours ago, Hamed.xxx23 said:

Hey OsmelMC 

There is a bug when a sexlab scene starts pubic hair color turns to white ( or without color)  is there a fix for this?

I already checked it. Is caused by the function to fix the illumination issue on the Actors after be teleported. But I bug is on my SOS Pubic Hair scripts.

 

My new SOS Pubic Hair will come with the fix and Public Hair for Males. 

[RDRAND]

Textures\SexLab\tongue bumps.dds not found

 

SE1.63+SLSO1.74+Utility Plus

When the tongue sticks out, the mouth sometimes closes and then opens,and the tongue passes through the lips for a short time.

[PippinTom]

1 hour ago, OsmelMC said:

In this case is caused by the SexLab Animation CACHE that like I said many times don't get updated after use some external mod like the SLATE to change the Animations Tags

 

You are most likely right about that, I completely forgot about that CACHE thing, it's mainly because applying those ~2.5k actions takes so long that when it finishes (and it does it quietly) I don't even remember I started it, so I didn't reset the CACHE at that moment as I should.

 

Maybe that could be done automatically? I mean, when any action script ends, then only logical thing to do for the user is to go to MCM and click reset anim cache (nobrainer) - or there is any case when not doing so would make any sense?

[OsmelMC]

55 minutes ago, PippinTom said:

 

Maybe that could be done automatically? I mean, when any action script ends, then only logical thing to do for the user is to go to MCM and click reset anim cache (nobrainer) - or there is any case when not doing so would make any sense?

Yes can be done automatically and I will do it for next version.

 

I don't did before because before the release of the BETA 9 was not possible since the required function was added just recently to the SexLab Framework.

[OsmelMC]

1 hour ago, anye151 said:

Textures\SexLab\tongue bumps.dds not found

 

SE1.63+SLSO1.74+Utility Plus

When the tongue sticks out, the mouth sometimes closes and then opens,and the tongue passes through the lips for a short time.

 

I noticed the lips issue, but seems like I just forget enabled the "Fixed Lips" option for some of the Expressions Phases with Tongue.

 

You can check those options by yourself, using the "Expression Editor" page. 

 

Or you can install the today update and instead of use the "Clean System" option just use the "Reset Expressions Registry" option to get the right values.

 

I will make a new release today because for what you said, I forgot to include the texture files and that's really painful since I spend some time and effort on make it look better than the current available tongues on another Mods.

[RDRAND]

8 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

 

I noticed the lips issue, but seems like I just forget enabled the "Fixed Lips" option for some of the Expressions Phases with Tongue.

 

You can check those options by yourself, using the "Expression Editor" page. 

 

Or you can install the today update and instead of use the "Clean System" option just use the "Reset Expressions Registry" option to get the right values.

 

I will make a new release today because for what you said, I forgot to include the texture files and that's really painful since I spend some time and effort on make it look better than the current available tongues on another Mods.

I like this one because the anothe MODS replaces the SEXLAB expression with its own expression.

 

but the another MODs has an intensity value to deicde sticking out tongue and expressione,

I modify Intensity = Enjoyment for better changes

Mainly another MODs trying to add emojis is too painful

 

If using Utility Plus, is there any way to get enough Enjoyment value before deciding to equip the tongue?

 

I generally do not modify some things in the Framework, I am worried that the modification will cause problems with other mods.

 

[OsmelMC]

    @anye151

 

In fact the SexLab Expressions and of course my Ahegao Expressions work based on the Actor enjoyment, I even set the tongues based on the Expression name and the amount of enjoyment of the Actor. 

 

More important you can control it even more than with any of the other Ahegao Mods. But you need a minimum of knowledge to be in control.

 

First you have to know each one of the Tongues

 

2. You have to know that to open the mouth to hold the tongue, you have to change the values of the Phonemes "Ash", "BigAah" and "Eh". Those values are more or less settled but still need someone adjustments.

 

3. About the relation between the Actor enjoyment and the Expression. You need to understand that each Expression allow 5 Phases or less for each gender and basically as biggest is the Enjoyment biggest is the Phase to apply so if you want the Tongues only for high enjoyment just make sure of set the Tongues on the last Phases of the Expression and keep the first Phases without Tongues.

To be more specific, in a Expression with 4 Phases for the Females, the Female Actor with enjoyment between 1 and 25 the Phase to apply will be the Phase 1; between 26 and 50 of enjoyment will be the Phase 2; between 51 and 75 is the Phase 3 and between 76 and 100 is the Phase 4 until the Orgasm when the enjoyment is reduced usually around 30 but is based on the scene type and the actor lewdness.

I used 4 Phases as example but can be 3, 5 or even 0 if you don't want the Expression be used for one of the Genders. To know the enjoyment range of each phase just divide the amount of Phases / 100. Where 100 is the maximum enjoyment

 

Like you can see you can do almost whatever you want with the SexLab Expression without change the scripts. But if you do any changes on the Expressions Scripts, let me know, maybe I include it too.

 

By the way I include the Ahegao as part of the SLU+ between other things because none of the current available Ahegao Mods is compatible with the SLU+ and also because all the others break the SexLab Expression system just because nobody take the time to understand how works. That also means you can't use more than one Ahegao Mod.

Edited November 28, 2021 by OsmelMC

[Nymra]

small feedback:

Ahego Animations (LE install)

- they all miss the 5th phase (only have 4 phases) 

- tongues do not move when equiped 

- other than that, tongue equipping/unequipping works, also the textures now with the latest update, thx alot

--> even without moving tongues right now this is already an absolutly awesome feature and finally available for non-SLSO users!

So questions also to the crowd: 
Any body here on LE who got the tongues to move? And if so, how?

Edited November 28, 2021 by Nymra

[OsmelMC]

2 hours ago, Nymra said:

small feedback:

Ahego Animations (LE install)

- they all miss the 5th phase (only have 4 phases) 

- tongues do not move when equiped 

- other than that, tongue equipping/unequipping works, also the textures now with the latest update, thx alot

--> even without moving tongues right now this is already an absolutly awesome feature and finally available for non-SLSO users!

So questions also to the crowd: 
Any body here on LE who got the tongues to move? And if so, how?

 

  1. The Expressions don't need the 5 Phases even with one Phase is enough to work fine but boring. More Phases only means more variety on the same Expression. Like you probably already noticed I basically copy the default Expressions and change few values to fit the tongues.

 

  2. Without SMP you won't see any movement on the tongue. So is natural don't see movements on LE. I hope someone can make it move with the HDT Physics of the LE because just few users have SMP on LE.

 

  To make the tongues move on LE somebody have to make a XML file for LE HDT Physics describing the same Physics for the tongue bones as is described on the "tong.xml" file for SMP. Of course the problem is that both systems may use the same file extension but the structure of the files are very different. I will try to do it once I finish with the Argonians tongues but is better if someone else do the Physics because I never done one XML file for Physics.

 

The other solution is install the SMP on LE...

[Iroha]

 

4 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

 

 

Thank you for the nice update!

LE, SL1.62, SLSO 1.7.4(LE), SLUplus20211127 - seems that everything works (at least in my short tests) ?

SMP tongues works too, since I use SMP and HDT.

[sirgilly]

If I see npc scenes with odd offsets is there a way to restore all animations to default offsets in sexlab. I have some odd saved adjustments I think.

[Nymra]

8 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

 

  1. The Expressions don't need the 5 Phases even with one Phase is enough to work fine but boring. More Phases only means more variety on the same Expression. Like you probably already noticed I basically copy the default Expressions and change few values to fit the tongues.

 

  2. Without SMP you won't see any movement on the tongue. So is natural don't see movements on LE. I hope someone can make it move with the HDT Physics of the LE because just few users have SMP on LE.

 

  To make the tongues move on LE somebody have to make a XML file for LE HDT Physics describing the same Physics for the tongue bones as is described on the "tong.xml" file for SMP. Of course the problem is that both systems may use the same file extension but the structure of the files are very different. I will try to do it once I finish with the Argonians tongues but is better if someone else do the Physics because I never done one XML file for Physics.

 

The other solution is install the SMP on LE...

 

no worries, this is already fine for me, just wanted to give feedback on the matter.

 

I have another question tho:
How does the "Orgasm" Event work? 
Thing is, when I reach stage 5 everything happens at once
- stage changes (so do the animations)

- cumshot fires cum

- cum overlays fire their new cum tex

- arousal fires

- everthing boom

 

and even on an easy setup this usually means lag and a delay in animating, application of expressions and the overlays, so basically the orgasm... sux.

Now I just wonder if we could implement an Option that makes actors orgasm after each other in the final stage. Something like a random actor delay.

 

For example when I set actor delay to 10 seconds, every actor will cum randomly in a time window of 0 seconds (stage 5 start) or 10 seconds (10 secons after stage 5 started)

basically allowing a built in artificial seperate orgasm. What do you think?

 

[Nymra]

4 hours ago, Iroha said:

 

Thank you for the nice update!

LE, SL1.62, SLSO 1.7.4(LE), SLUplus20211127 - seems that everything works (at least in my short tests) ?

SMP tongues works too, since I use SMP and HDT.

 

can you tell me how you installed SMP on LE next to HDT? I try to find a guide or the mod but nothing I found worked or described it in a understandable way... thx alot