SexLab Disparity

*Lupine00* · July 20, 2019

58 minutes ago, Tenri said:

I don't think that anything I changed in load order would affect SLD and I'm fairly sure I had BBB working with SLIF before, and I know raped worked before, I've never used denial so can't say if the problems with it are new to me or not.

This is all in a new game.

Have you looked at what SLD is telling you in the Debug menu?

Scroll down and inspect the results?

Also, on the main page, there is information on what SLD things you have in your various nodes.

If you have enabled morph support, you need to configure a lot more carefully for those values, and it sounds a bit like that is what you have done.

The SLD debug menu will let you inspect all your morphs, from different mod sources.

Of course it's possible that you had some stack dump somewhere, and now have a broken SLD. In that case, you might get some improvement from going in the debug menu and resetting everything, then shutting down SLD. Restart it. Shut it down. Then repeat. This ... might fix your SLD if it was broken by a crash. You can probably save your config to a slot before doing this, then restore afterwards - once you know the problem is fixed.

However, from this initial report, it sounds more like you have enabled morphs but your configuration of them is not doing what you expect.

That doesn't mean it's not working, but you may not have set the master scales, or have the wrong replacement mode, or something like that.

There are instructions on setting up morphs on the front page ... I think

If you have morphs enabled, disable them and see what your node values look like without morphs involved.

Tenri · July 20, 2019

2 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Have you looked at what SLD is telling you in the Debug menu?

Scroll down and inspect the results?

Also, on the main page, there is information on what SLD things you have in your various nodes.

If you have enabled morph support, you need to configure a lot more carefully for those values, and it sounds a bit like that is what you have done.

The SLD debug menu will let you inspect all your morphs, from different mod sources.

Of course it's possible that you had some stack dump somewhere, and now have a broken SLD. In that case, you might get some improvement from going in the debug menu and resetting everything, then shutting down SLD. Restart it. Shut it down. Then repeat. This ... might fix your SLD if it was broken by a crash. You can probably save your config to a slot before doing this, then restore afterwards - once you know the problem is fixed.

However, from this initial report, it sounds more like you have enabled morphs but your configuration of them is not doing what you expect.

That doesn't mean it's not working, but you may not have set the master scales, or have the wrong replacement mode, or something like that.

There are instructions on setting up morphs on the front page ... I think

If you have morphs enabled, disable them and see what your node values look like without morphs involved.

I didn't active Morph support at least I dont think I did, I specifically avoid even looking at that page cause I don't feel like messing with that right now.

I make extensive use of the debug page both while testing it before posting, and just in general to see how much the mod is changing things incase something seemed off.

I also made sure to stand around for like 30 seconds between each change to give time for updates and using the clear effects debug button a couple times too.

I did try doing all the debug reset options once I can try multiple times.

If I have to restart again that's fine all I did was walk from my starting location in Whiterun to Winterhold with a brief stop at Nightgate Inn to pick up a follower there.

*Lupine00* · July 20, 2019

28 minutes ago, Tenri said:

I also made sure to stand around for like 30 seconds between each change to give time for updates and using the clear effects debug button a couple times too.

If you change something in the MCM, you always get a recalculation of effects when the next update runs.

As you are aware of the various inputs and outputs, can you ... for example ... set up so only Breast node is modifying anything...

Then look at the value you have for the node, and set your From ... To values so that your current value is half way between them.

Make sure you have a scale of 100%. Set updates to 1 second on the main page, just for testing.

Then pick something like Health, and set a bonus of +100. Don't set any other modifiers, don't set any other nodes to contribute. Just test this one thing.

You should have +50 health.

Remember that huge bonuses will be clamped out by your LIMITS unless you have modified them.

Close the MCM, and wait a couple of seconds. Then open the MCM, and go to debug. What does it say for Health modifier?

What do you see when you bring up your stats in SkyUI?

If it's not updated, something is probably wrong with your install.

If problems continue, please report actual values. A loose description of a general class of problem means I can only give loose and general advice.

If you save your config to a slot, you can upload the saved file so I can use it to accurately reproduce your setup.

Check that you have the SKSE plugin, and that there are no messages about problems with it in your log.

Check its own log (in your Skyrim root folder) and see if there is stuff in there.

A missing plugin will cause catastrophic failures in SLD. Scripts will crash and not restart.

A possibility (now that I removed the checks for it because it was blocking use by males) is that you have the wrong skeleton.

You need to have an up to date XMPSE female skeleton for that stuff to work.

Perhaps you have a skeleton override from some improperly overrriding mod that has put some rubbish old skeleton in there?

This would explain dysfunctional node-based modifiers.

Tenri · July 20, 2019

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

If you change something in the MCM, you always get a recalculation of effects when the next update runs.

As you are aware of the various inputs and outputs, can you ... for example ... set up so only Breast node is modifying anything...

Then look at the value you have for the node, and set your From ... To values so that your current value is half way between them.

Make sure you have a scale of 100%. Set updates to 1 second on the main page, just for testing.

Then pick something like Health, and set a bonus of +100. Don't set any other modifiers, don't set any other nodes to contribute. Just test this one thing.

You should have +50 health.

Remember that huge bonuses will be clamped out by your LIMITS unless you have modified them.

Close the MCM, and wait a couple of seconds. Then open the MCM, and go to debug. What does it say for Health modifier?

What do you see when you bring up your stats in SkyUI?

If it's not updated, something is probably wrong with your install.

If problems continue, please report actual values. A loose description of a general class of problem means I can only give loose and general advice.

If you save your config to a slot, you can upload the saved file so I can use it to accurately reproduce your setup.

Check that you have the SKSE plugin, and that there are no messages about problems with it in your log.

Check its own log (in your Skyrim root folder) and see if there is stuff in there.

A missing plugin will cause catastrophic failures in SLD. Scripts will crash and not restart.

A possibility (now that I removed the checks for it because it was blocking use by males) is that you have the wrong skeleton.

You need to have an up to date XMPSE female skeleton for that stuff to work.

Perhaps you have a skeleton override from some improperly overrriding mod that has put some rubbish old skeleton in there?

This would explain dysfunctional node-based modifiers.

Had started testing before posting my previous post, I have managed to get body morphs to just barely affect me by playing around with morph modus stuff.

I have been only turning on the category I am testing at the time, or I have one thing increase health, one stamina, and one magicka. I know about the clamping I just use ridiculous values for testing so any change is noticeable.

I have the latest XPMSE skeleton at the bottom of MO left screen so it is overriding everything else, I am not seeing any issues regarding plugins in my SKSE logs. Is _fw_plugin.dll the SKSE plugin you mean?

From what I can tell through my testing for the BBB nodes on the Main page they have a X / Y value, the X is the SLIF node (with SLIF enabled) and the Y is the value used for buffs/debuffs? So my question is how do I set it up so that Y = X with no other alterations. That should fix my BBB problem. Right now the X values has always shown exactly the value I would expect it to show, but regardless of what X is if I don't enable the Morphs page and set some of the nodes my SLIF changes the Y = 1.0 always.

Going to do some testing for the raped and denial issues now.

quick edit: the appearance of my character changes as expected it is just the (de)buffs that aren't working.

Tenri · July 20, 2019

Attempting to test Rape and Denial I can't get any change at all

I tried using the following 3 config setups, in a new game (just before I activate the LAL start) before any sex/rape, after a rape from SLAdventures and a Masturbation to orgasm, and finally after a massive gangrape inside The Bannered Mare triggered by SLD itself where even the PC orgasmed a couple times.

After each event there were no buffs or debuffs of any value from either Denial, or Rape.

The days since rape and days since orgasm both showed the expected values in the Debug page.

I even waited a few game days each time and still no change.

And as I said in my original report body weight, arousal, addiction, and milk all work as expected, I used arousal to trigger the gangrape.

Edit: removed files as no longer needed

Tenri · July 20, 2019

14 hours ago, Tenri said:

From what I can tell through my testing for the BBB nodes on the Main page they have a X / Y value, the X is the SLIF node (with SLIF enabled) and the Y is the value used for buffs/debuffs? So my question is how do I set it up so that Y = X with no other alterations. That should fix my BBB problem. Right now the X values has always shown exactly the value I would expect it to show, but regardless of what X is if I don't enable the Morphs page and set some of the nodes my SLIF changes the Y = 1.0 always.

Okay so I finished reading the Thing on Morphs on the Mod Post, Looks like I do have to figure out how to get the Morph nonsense working?

I was thrown off by it showing me the number I would want it to use, but having no way to actually use it?

Still no idea why Rape and Denial aren't doing anything though. I can live without denial I don't use it anyway, and the rape isn't necessary either just meant to be a temporary massive drawback and an eventual huge bonus, though getting any decent bonus at all would be hard since i set it to max at 100 days, and going even 6 the min would be unlikely.

I am going to bed now but here are my current SLIF and SLD configs that I am trying to use if you can get me something that would make it close to Y = X for the Morphs that would be great if not I will try tomorrow.

004_Main_Bodymorphs.json

*Lupine00* · July 20, 2019

4 hours ago, Tenri said:

Attempting to test Rape and Denial I can't get any change at all

It might help if you clarify what rape values you were seeing in debug. I can see your From ... To, in the saves, but not the inputs.

It will tell you how many rapes you've had.

Similarly, with denial, it will tell you how long since last orgasm.

These are the control inputs for those items in the the Aroused section.

I would expect most problems to follow from them not updating as expected, rather than a problem factoring their outputs into the overall modifier position.

Both of those were overhauled for 14.X, and got a lot of testing. They are now insulated from a lot of external issues that could cause trouble with them.

If we can establish that the values aren't being updated, then we can dig deeper.

Because all modifiers are summed and applied the same way, if a particular input has problems, it's almost always going to be because of the input data.

If you have other modifiers working correctly, that means that SLD either thinks that input is disabled (which is an extra requirement for various inputs, but not body shape modifiers) or those inputs are not being updated as expected.

For this reason, debug shows the input values for most things, so you can check them.

It doesn't show the input values for all the Worn modifiers, because there are so many. Instead, that is shown on the modifier page itself.

I intend to update the other inputs so they work more like Worn in future, as it's convenient to have those values on the page when you're setting up From...To, and now I've done it for one thing, I want it for the others as well.

However, you can check the values in debug, and that's the first place to look for a problem.

Because you aren't telling me how your input values are shifting, and whether you believe they update correctly in debug, I can't say anything more about your rape and denial problems.

This has given me some ideas for additional diagnostic data I might add in future though.

I definitely can't tell you what morphs to use. The only way to set those up is by eye, because it will depend on your body, your Bodyslide setup, your racemenu settings, your node values, and the mods you have applying morphs.

I would guess that for most mods that change breast size via a morph, there will be one of the morphs that it updates linearly with the intended size, and others that may cut in or out at different points. The offset system helps with the cut-in/cut-out.

Use the most linearly changing morph as the highest weighted one. Start weighting that at 100, and ignore the others.

Then set the overall breast morph scale and offset to get values you like.

You can then choose to multiply or replace. I suggest in this case you replace. Set the morph contribution to 100% so your nodes do nothing at all.

I admit it's hard to use, but it's a complicated thing; there's no way to make it trivial. I can probably provide a bit more feedback "in place" in a future update, but due to only a few people seeming to care about morphs, it's not at the top of my to-do list.

Tenri · July 20, 2019

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

It might help if you clarify what rape values you were seeing in debug. I can see your From ... To, in the saves, but not the inputs.

It will tell you how many rapes you've had.

Similarly, with denial, it will tell you how long since last orgasm.

These are the control inputs for those items in the the Aroused section.

I would expect most problems to follow from them not updating as expected, rather than a problem factoring their outputs into the overall modifier position.

Both of those were overhauled for 14.X, and got a lot of testing. They are now insulated from a lot of external issues that could cause trouble with them.

If we can establish that the values aren't being updated, then we can dig deeper.

Because all modifiers are summed and applied the same way, if a particular input has problems, it's almost always going to be because of the input data.

If you have other modifiers working correctly, that means that SLD either thinks that input is disabled (which is an extra requirement for various inputs, but not body shape modifiers) or those inputs are not being updated as expected.

For this reason, debug shows the input values for most things, so you can check them.

It doesn't show the input values for all the Worn modifiers, because there are so many. Instead, that is shown on the modifier page itself.

However, you can check the values in debug, and that's the first place to look for a problem.

Because you aren't telling me how your input values are shifting, and whether you believe they update correctly in debug, I can't say anything more about your rape and denial problems.

Ok Slightly changed settings for more testing

Spoiler

Denial

max debuff 100%

from 0 days to 5 days

Magicka debuff +200

max buff 100%

from 5 days to 0 days

magicka rate buff +200

0 days since last orgasm (as seen in debug, ASiD)

magicka modifier is 0.0/0 (ASiD)