SexLab Pheromones

[Psalam]

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2 hours ago, Tyrant99 said:

It's still not a bad idea, and wouldn't add much complexity, just a little legwork setting up 38 new potions + scripts.. heh 

 

It might be nice for other things too though, for instance, it would give a nice hook for an external mod. So could be paired with NPC dialogue, maybe as an outcome of DD gagtalk for instance, and would yield a specific result through this Mod's API by calling that item.

 

And also, could add some immersion vs setting it up through MCM in this Mod. So yeah, it could be worthwhile to setup...

 

First, thank you for the gracious way you handled my question. Many would have chosen to belittle and berate someone who missed an MCM menu.

And second, yes, I completely missed the MCM menu. Thank you.

Third, while my connection with Pheromones has been primarily with POP (Prison Overhaul Patched) so far there are two suggestions I would make - one directly related to my prvious post and a different one entirely (that doesn't require separate potions. 

In DEC (Deviously Enslaved Continued) your follower will "find" Devious Devices in treasure chests that somehow you "missed" when you looked through them. They could also find helpful "potions" at the same time. Of course, I would expect that these "potions" would be much more likely to have pheromones in them than the average one does.

The other, I think obvious, tie-in is with the vanilla game. When the player gets into the drinking contest with Sanguine the third and final drink should be spiked with pheromones. While it works with a random pheromone I would suggest that it be more specific to goat (better) or giant (not as good) since the next portion of the quest ids the recovery of Gleda the goat from a giant. I would suggest goats as better since, if the player was thinking, well, I'll just walk to Rorikstead and give this potion a chance to wear off, his strategy is considerably weakened by the fact that there are a LOT of goats wandering the roads between Markarth and Rorikstead.

Anyway, something to consider.

P.S.: you might want to do the same sort of thing with the Wilderness Encounter with the three drunks. Either increasing the chance of a pheromone or automatically placing a pheromone into the Honningbrew Mead that they give the player.

Sorry for the wall of text.

[Tyrant99]

@Psalam

The follower support is an interesting idea, I could see adding something like this down the line.

 

I think that the mechanics work a bit differently than you are thinking they do though. It doesn't really matter whether there are creatures in proximity to the Player for instance, the Mod does not use nearby creatures, it spawns them.

 

The reason for this is, with creatures, especially hostile ones, there's faction stuff going on, they can have hyper aggressive AI on their base actor, aggro radius behavior on their base actor, and this means, even if you do lots of faction swapping (which can be spotty), they still might be starting combat with you, or maybe they start combat with something else, or something else starts combat with them (even during a sex scene), or they go chase a rabbit... etc. etc. And then they might die... In other words - this can get pretty unweildy and messy.

 

All the creatures in this Mod are spawned versions that have been cleaned of all that behavior, there's no aggressive AI or aggro radius behavior on the base creature actors, they have friendly factions to player and to other factions, they adopt Alias AI that will not be interrupted by anything. - So they will reliably do what they are intended to do, have sex with the player.

 

They spawn based on the location that the player is in. For instance, goats would be spawning at Farms, Trolls will spawn in caves, Vampires in Vampire Lairs, etc. Also, most creatures will spawn in location = None, which represents pretty much anywhere in the wilderness.

 

NPCs on the other hand don't spawn, they will be nearby actors, but the aliases only fill if the PC is in a city, house, dwelling, tavern etc. So bandits or other random NPCs in the wilderness will be excluded. If you're in cities, you'll get sex from NPCs (if you have the racial pheromones), and if you're in the wilderness, you'll get sex from creatures.

[Tyrant99]

 

1.0.5 Update:

• Added a new system for clearing pheromones, there are 39 new cooking recipes ?. You can go to a cooking station and see what ingredients are needed for each type of pheromones. Pheromones will no longer clear randomly.
  • The super pheromones cleanser will be needed if you get extra pheromones added.
    • Part of the recipe for this will require Priestess of Dibella Cum, you can go to the temple in Markarth and the Priestesses there will accomodate you for 'gathering' supplies. 
• Fixed bug where you would sometimes get an NPC / Creature follower that would stick around if there happened to be an unrelated sex scene playing at the time that the alias filled or the spawn happened.
• Fixed Deer spawn so it would use male model.
• Made the randomization function for selection more robust by doing some _________ (insert technical jargon).
• Added support for MiniNeeds.
• Creature attacks and NPC attacks will now list the Player as a victim for mods like Apropos.

[Billyy]

Hey this sounds pretty cool. A convenient way to seed all those random creature pairings and group animations that never come up in normal play. I’m afraid my excuse for not making odd animation pairings (like 4 mammoths) won’t be as effective anymore…

Too bad the floaters don’t work. I assume that would mean sky floating slaughterfish couldn’t chase you either, for whatever reason someone would want that.

 

On 9/12/2018 at 1:25 AM, Tyrant99 said:

 

Do you guys know of other packs that could fill in some of the blanks?

I’ve done 2 3p ash hopper animations, and I also have a riekling 4p (also a few 3p, but no 5p yet), although I’m starting to doubt myself because someone else mentioned the lack of a riekling 4p to me recently… I did release it right? Maybe I’ll have to make another one to please you nerds.

 

Also the third screenshot on mod page, AhhhHHhhh that old animation. And there’s supposed to be a rock object too that the female lies against.

[Dovahbear91]

Sweet mod, glad to see it being updated regularly! Would be really nice if the NPC/Creatures that spawn dont just 'despawn' after a scene, but rather ran off and then disappeared

[Reesewow]

1 hour ago, Billyy said:

Hey this sounds pretty cool. A convenient way to seed all those random creature pairings and group animations that never come up in normal play. I’m afraid my excuse for not making odd animation pairings (like 4 mammoths) won’t be as effective anymore…

IMO you can use any excuse you want, your animations are a huge part of why people were looking for a mod like this.  If my poor PC ever finds herself being chased across the plains of Skyrim by 4 horny mammoths that don't know the meaning of taking turns.... she might just decide it is time to give up adventuring and just be a tavern wench.

 

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I’ve done 2 3p ash hopper animations, and I also have a riekling 4p (also a few 3p, but no 5p yet), although I’m starting to doubt myself because someone else mentioned the lack of a riekling 4p to me recently… I did release it right? Maybe I’ll have to make another one to please you nerds.

Totally missed those open slots when Tyrant posted the initial graphic - yes, your riekling gangbang is 4p.  The ashhopper animations are also some of my favorite despite their extreme rarity... but not so much with this mod hopefully!

 

 

Testing out the new version on a save that I cleaned from v1.0.4 and things seem to work fine so far - just got jumped by a horny deer, which definitely has not happened in the recent past.  Thanks for the continued support.

[Tyrant99]

6 hours ago, AkiKay said:

Im having a bunch of issues with this Mod. Basically, once i configured some stuff (for example only have ash hoppers and Werewolf Pheromones on) they wont be ingested ever. I can drink 100 Potions with the Chance set to 100 and it still doesnt work. Pheromones also don´t even work. I ran around about 10 minutes with probably every Pheromone ingested and nothing happened. Also somehow 5 Chaurus seem to spawn if theres a special Combination of Pheromones ingested. Really weird..

I kind of wanted to try out Billy´s Creature Animations with this Mod active but it doesn´t seem to work as i already said. Im really dying here. These Animations aren´t epic if there isn´t a sudden rape attack. Its not the same. 

 

-Aki

Make sure that you have run FNIS, install SexLab, enable Creature Animations in SexLab, go into SLAL MCM and Enable All / Register Animations.

Then, go out into the wilderness and drink your potion.

[Tyrant99]

6 hours ago, Billyy said:

Too bad the floaters don’t work. I assume that would mean sky floating slaughterfish couldn’t chase you either, for whatever reason someone would want that.

The floaters won't work with the getdistance mechanic because of Bethesda Navmesh nonsense... But... With a little creativity... One idea would be to use a normal creature as an 'emissary', for instance, a Rabbit could spawn and do the chase, and if it catches the Player, then the Rabbit disappears and some Dragons show up to do the rest... 

 

With something like this, support could be added for all the floaters, so I think I'll do that. 

 

6 hours ago, Billyy said:

I’ve done 2 3p ash hopper animations, and I also have a riekling 4p (also a few 3p, but no 5p yet), although I’m starting to doubt myself because someone else mentioned the lack of a riekling 4p to me recently… I did release it right? Maybe I’ll have to make another one to please you nerds.

It could be my mistake and I didn't check the most updated version. I'll check again and if there's any more animations that I can add support for, I'll add them in.

 

In any case, thanks for the great animations! ?

[Tyrant99]

7 hours ago, real1397681 said:

Sweet mod, glad to see it being updated regularly! Would be really nice if the NPC/Creatures that spawn dont just 'despawn' after a scene, but rather ran off and then disappeared

I could do that, but it adds complexity, would need to force swap out Aliases and have them adopt new AI behavior etc.

 

When you add complexity, you add things that can break. So the question is, how important would such a thing be to you guys?

[Tyrant99]

Here's steps with pictures:

 

Tested and it is working as intended, make sure you're running a clean save and I might suggest dropping the SEQ folder directly into your Skyrim Data folder.

 

Example of setting Pheromones Settings to guarantee Creature Spawn:



 

Selecting only Chaurus Hunters (for example)



 

Make sure Sexlab is installed and Creatures are Enabled:

 

Register / Enable all animations in SLAL:

 



 

 

Drink a Potion: (This was a regular Health Potion)



 

Be in an area where the creature can spawn, for instance wilderness:



 

 

Have Fun:

 

[ercramer69]

4 hours ago, Tyrant99 said:

I could do that, but it adds complexity, would need to force swap out Aliases and have them adopt new AI behavior etc.

 

When you add complexity, you add things that can break. So the question is, how important would such a thing be to you guys?

What about adding a "you pass out" black screen and game time passes mechanic at the end of the scene, like the one outcome in Sexlab Adventures offers?  

[Tyrant99]

13 minutes ago, ercramer69 said:

What about adding a "you pass out" black screen and game time passes mechanic at the end of the scene, like the one outcome in Sexlab Adventures offers?  

Hmmm, blackout black screen, and you wake up naked and covered in cum...

 

Pretty straight forward to implement and don't have to mess with AI... I like it! 

[chipstick]

25 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said:

Hmmm, blackout black screen, and you wake up naked and covered in cum...

 

Pretty straight forward to implement and don't have to mess with AI... I like it! 

 Would it be too much to ask for that as a toggleable option? For personal reasons, I really prefer the instant despawn, with no passing out (time-out penalty!)

 

Thanks for working on this the way you have, new toys always welcome.

 

Edit:

Just to clarify...

Passing out forces a passage of time the player cant control (sometime i dislike for purely personal reasons)

Would force either a reduced rate of attacks (to compensate for the time spent passed out). Or increase the perceived frequency of attacks (since time is lost after each attack). Unless the time spent passed out is very minimal...

Alternatively, a mcm option for how long passes when one passes out? (is that even possible?) (if it could be set it to a very minimal period that would work. I'd set it to a single game minute if i could)

[Tyrant99]

25 minutes ago, chipstick said:

 Would it be too much to ask for that as a toggleable option? For personal reasons, I really prefer the instant despawn, with no passing out (time-out penalty!)

 

Thanks for working on this the way you have, new toys always welcome.

 

Edit:

Just to clarify...

Passing out forces a passage of time the player cant control (sometime i dislike for purely personal reasons)

Would force either a reduced rate of attacks (to compensate for the time spent passed out). Or increase the perceived frequency of attacks (since time is lost after each attack). Unless the time spent passed out is very minimal...

Alternatively, a mcm option for how long passes when one passes out? (is that even possible?) (if it could be set it to a very minimal period that would work. I'd set it to a single game minute if i could)

I think honestly the screen blacking out and then fading back in with maybe Player groggy, stripped of clothing, and discheveled would be what I would want to implement.

 

Passing of time, while I could force it, I don't see it working well in this instance. For the simple reason that the attacks are already based on time elapsed, so having a forced time pass mechanic could result in an endless stream of back to back attacks - which would be kinda crazy.

 

So to clarify, while I like the black screen idea after an attack, and may add it, I won't be adding a time elapse aspect to it.

[chipstick]

26 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said:

I think honestly the screen blacking out and then fading back in with maybe Player groggy, stripped of clothing, and discheveled would be what I would want to implement.

 

Passing of time, while I could force it, I don't see it working well in this instance. For the simple reason that the attacks are already based on time elapsed, so having a forced time pass mechanic could result in an endless stream of back to back attacks - which would be kinda crazy.

 

So to clarify, while I like the black screen idea after an attack, and may add it, I won't be adding a time elapse aspect to it.

Personally am really happy to hear that! Thanks for being so responsive to everyone in this thread.

[Tyrant99]

How do you guys like the pheromone cure crafting system btw?

[Yuni]

More creatures.
More options.
More animations.

Happy wolf. :3

[Reesewow]

5 hours ago, Tyrant99 said:

I think honestly the screen blacking out and then fading back in with maybe Player groggy, stripped of clothing, and discheveled would be what I would want to implement.

 

Passing of time, while I could force it, I don't see it working well in this instance. For the simple reason that the attacks are already based on time elapsed, so having a forced time pass mechanic could result in an endless stream of back to back attacks - which would be kinda crazy.

I honestly think this is the best way to implement the creatures "escaping" after an event - options of having the creatures run away are problematic technically and gameplay wise.  I could totally see an issue where a chaurus reaper or other large creature catches the player in a falmer nest and then tries to "escape" down one of the maddeningly narrow passages - blocking access to the player in the process unless it is killed or magically despawns anyway.  A blackout event with no time passage is IMO perfect as it hides the creature despawn and doesn't mess with other mods that depend on time passing (needs mods ect).  Looking forward to trying it out in the new version.

 

9 hours ago, AkiKay said:

 

Yeah. But the message "You´ve ingested [Creature] Phreromones" won´t even show up. Maybe a conflict with some Mod ? And sometimes when i got it working with the "You´ve ingested [Creature] Pheromones" no Creatures will spawn. Even on a new Save.

One thing to keep in mind - depending on what pheromone you ingested, you may need to be in a specific place to see any activity.  Creatures generally show up in "nothing" wilderness areas or specific locations depending on race, and humans will only engage the player in friendly places like towns/cities.  Once you have already ingested pheromones, drinking more potions will not change the pheromone you have active - it may "double" the effect of the pheromone you already have, but then nothing else.  So drinking 100 potions won't do anything, and the mod *may* be working just fine but you are not in a place where creatures will attack you.

 

Of course, something could just be super broken, but I think Tyrant would need more details to help you since it seems to work for most people.

 

5 hours ago, Tyrant99 said:

How do you guys like the pheromone cure crafting system btw?

Definitely more interesting than the previous iteration, thanks for adding it. 

 

One question - do pheromones still time-out naturally after 24 hours game time played?  If not I do think this feature would be a good thing to re-add, since I could see a poor low level character get stuck with some of the more difficult to remove pheromones otherwise.  I think an MCM menu slider for pheromone duration could also be a decent additional option for said low level characters that don't have easy access to all the crafting materials via fast travel.

[Tyrant99]

45 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

I honestly think this is the best way to implement the creatures "escaping" after an event - options of having the creatures run away are problematic technically and gameplay wise.  I could totally see an issue where a chaurus reaper or other large creature catches the player in a falmer nest and then tries to "escape" down one of the maddeningly narrow passages - blocking access to the player in the process unless it is killed or magically despawns anyway.  A blackout event with no time passage is IMO perfect as it hides the creature despawn and doesn't mess with other mods that depend on time passing (needs mods ect).  Looking forward to trying it out in the new version.

I actually like the effect, I made it short, ~10 seconds, and added a few different flavor texts. I also found that SexLab had 9 different versions of the magic effect that applies Oral, Anal, and Vaginal cum all at once, so naturally, I randomized which version would get applied after a scene. A small detail, but it adds some variety. Also used the groggy image effects, SexLab's strip clothing, and the coming out of bleed out animation right as vision returns.

 

I think it gives a nice little after scene that isn't too intrusive but somewhat immersive to getting ravished by some wild creatures...

 

45 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

Definitely more interesting than the previous iteration, thanks for adding it. 

 

One question - do pheromones still time-out naturally after 24 hours game time played?  If not I do think this feature would be a good thing to re-add, since I could see a poor low level character get stuck with some of the more difficult to remove pheromones otherwise.  I think an MCM menu slider for pheromone duration could also be a decent additional option for said low level characters that don't have easy access to all the crafting materials via fast travel.

I left the timer on so the pheromones will clear eventually if they aren't cleared by other means. I figure that it's kind of a nice safety net in case something bugs out in some unforseen way. The current timer is run on real time based on a game day at timescale 20, so, 3 minutes per hour x 24 = 72 minutes, or roughly one and a quarter hours real time. - It's a fair amount of play time, but not too much and that can also go pretty fast when you're doing other stuff in game... Also, we do want a reasonable amount of time anyway so players can hunt for the ingredients.

 

Not sure how much sense it would make to people in the MCM because it's a converted number (it would look kind of weird)... Using game time instead would look normal, but, isn't ideal becuase of fast travel, waiting, sleeping, + it's more buggy...

 

If the timer turns out to be too much or too little, let me know and I can adjust it.

 

 

[Makura1141]

I just downloaded this mod and I'm not sure if its just me but I can't get Real Needs and it to work together. If I put Pheremones above Real needs in the load order I can get pheremones but would still be thirsty after drinking the ale. But if I put real needs first then drinking alcohol won't give pheremones even at 100% Am I doing something incorrectly or is it a glitch with alcohols? 

[Reesewow]

14 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said:

Not sure how much sense it would make to people in the MCM because it's a converted number (it would look kind of weird)... Using game time instead would look normal, but, isn't ideal becuase of fast travel, waiting, sleeping, + it's more buggy...

 

If the timer turns out to be too much or too little, let me know and I can adjust it.

Honestly about an hour gameplay time sounds reasonable to me, so the cleaning potions seem more attractive without being 100% necessary.  I also agree that using game time isn't necessarily ideal (unless someone's idea of "ideal" is being able to sit in one spot for 30 seconds watching a wait bar decay so they can avoid content they installed themselves ). 

 

If you did add a slider to the MCM menu for duration I think it should still be actual RL time spent on gameplay - you could include help text to try to explain that waiting and sleeping will not count towards a potion's duration to avoid some confusion.

[Tyrant99]

14 minutes ago, AkiKay said:

I think its really good. Because most of these Items are related to the Creatures living there. So to get the Cure for the Chaurus Hunter Pheromones, you are probably gonna get raped again while searching for the ingridients. Not even mentioning having to travel there. Better not have any Canine or Bear Pheromones ingested while traveling there.

 

Btw: How about a Feature where if you get raped, the cum of the Creature will make the pheromones on you even stronger ? That way your Travel will get harder and harder if you don´t act quickly. Maybe buying new Clothes in Solitude might not be a good Idea if you have to travel to a cave in the far East which contain the Cure Items with pheromones ingested.. all those creatures making the pheromones more strong.. Waiting behind every Tree.. 

... I could make the chance for extra pheromones a % proc after a sex attack rather than having it added by additional consumables, that's not a bad idea...

 

16 minutes ago, Makura1141 said:

I just downloaded this mod and I'm not sure if its just me but I can't get Real Needs and it to work together. If I put Pheremones above Real needs in the load order I can get pheremones but would still be thirsty after drinking the ale. But if I put real needs first then drinking alcohol won't give pheremones even at 100% Am I doing something incorrectly or is it a glitch with alcohols? 

I took a look in Tes5, it seems that RND has a ReturnEmptyBottle effect put on a variety of alcohols and drinks that is overriding my Pheromones effect if it's above this Mod in load order... So, that does indeed cause a conflict... Damn...

 

Not only does one have to make a mod that works, but then there's all these other mods that can screw things up... lol

 

I think there's a different way that I could implement the effect that would avoid this conflict, I'll take a look at it.

[Makura1141]

25 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said:

... I could make the chance for extra pheromones a % proc after a sex attack rather than having it added by additional consumables, that's not a bad idea...

 

I took a look in Tes5, it seems that RND has a ReturnEmptyBottle effect put on a variety of alcohols and drinks that is overriding my Pheromones effect if it's above this Mod in load order... So, that does indeed cause a conflict... Damn...

 

Not only does one have to make a mod that works, but then there's all these other mods that can screw things up... lol

 

I think there's a different way that I could implement the effect that would avoid this conflict, I'll take a look at it.

Thanks  For now I'm switching to the Mini-needs mods since it seems the most configurable for what im looking for lol. I prefer the other since its more compatible with a lot of other mods here but I know I really want to use this mod, and if I don't have something that tells me I 'need' to eat and drink I don't do it. ? Thanks for creating this mod, its totally awesome! And the chance for extra phermones after sex would be great as long as its configurable, otherwise I see high chance of a biiiigggg loop. ?

[panthercom]

 I'm trying this out, default settings. Seems to be working, but one comment I'll make:

I've gotten assaulted three times, each time was by 3 chaurus, which meant the same

animation played every time as there aren't a lot of chaurus 4 ways to choose from.

Is there supposed to be a randomizing feature for the number of spawned assailants?

If so, it might need a little tweaking.

 

 It sure is nice to be able to get usable creature sex, especially group sex. I think some

animators might want to send you a nice box of chocolates for letting the masses finally

see their work

[Tyrant99]

16 minutes ago, panthercom said:

 I'm trying this out, default settings. Seems to be working, but one comment I'll make:

I've gotten assaulted three times, each time was by 3 chaurus, which meant the same

animation played every time as there aren't a lot of chaurus 4 ways to choose from.

Is there supposed to be a randomizing feature for the number of spawned assailants?

If so, it might need a little tweaking.

 

 It sure is nice to be able to get usable creature sex, especially group sex. I think some

animators might want to send you a nice box of chocolates for letting the masses finally

see their work

The Chauruses do have 3 possible outcomes, whether you get 1, 2, or 3, it is fully random. Getting the same outcome three times in a row is somewhat unlikely, but the RNG will still do from time to time. Let's see, 33% chance 3 times in a row is 1/ 3^3 or about 4% (3.7%)... So yeah, you got a little unlucky.  Nothing really to tweak here though...

If it happens 10 times in a row, then we have a mathematical anomoly... But I checked the code and it should be working fine...

 

There are a lot of great animators on the site, I thought it was a shame that some of the animations weren't more accessible, which is a big part of why I made this Mod. Anyway, glad you like it.

 

The next big hurdle will be to figure out a good way to implement flying creatures so we can get dragons and stuff... heh.