Age=Wisdom?

[KoolHndLuke]

  Circumstances put us all in very different positions in life, granting very different experiences. Where one person might live comfortably under the guidance of their parents throughout most of their lives and see/do very little to form their own opinions or philosophy, another may be thrown to the winds like pollen from a flower at a young age to try and make their own way through the maze that is life on their own. For most, it is some measure of both. Wise men and women have- for the most part- been portrayed in literature, song, film and games as people that have lived many years experiencing many things- the more years they have lived is commonly thought to be the measure of their wisdom. I question this concept.

 

 Our collective youth are extremely perceptive at very young ages and ask fundamental questions about the very nature of our lives. They have no notion of the limitations, biases, discrimination, or other "ideals" that more than likely will be drummed into their brains later by their parents and family, religion, teachers, politicians, media, etc. We are the product of what we have been taught. Our grandparents, parents, and we children that are children-no-more were more or less indoctrinated into a "way of thinking" that today's youth have (hopefully) never been taught. Thus, they are free to interpret everything in life from a fresh perspective.

 

 Why I bring this subject up? We have failed......and will continue until it is much too late. Natural resources disappearing daily that cannot be replenished, entire species becoming extinct, War looming or ongoing in many parts of the world, people's rights and freedoms slowly being eroded. Elected officials and representatives are a fucking joke. It is time to wipe the old world away once and for all time. Old hatreds or grievances must be forgotten! The world must be given to our youth with only a reminder from we "elders" of what NOT to do.

 

 Don't believe me? Look to the World's past civilizations and see how few have survived to present day. They all perished for the same reasons that we will tomorrow or the next. Before you dismiss what I say, think about this; How far off am I in the assumption that with enough nuclear missiles to destroy the world several times over, that the chances are at least decent that we will not see the next century as a species? Our youth-  unbiased, uninfluenced, innocent....is the only hope we have for our children's children and on. Am I completely wrong? Or should we let them (our youth) determine the fate of the world for themselves without most or our teachings? Ignorance- after all- is bliss.

[foxday]

as much as our leaders are narcissistic. i doubt our world is on the verge of destruction. Why? our world isn't driven by ideologies anymore. Its driven by money and power. and what happens when a global war starts? the stockmarket plummets and growth is unsure. 

[Irrational]

Here's 2 cents aka. Philosophical rambling:

 

I feel that wisdom is something to always aspire to and not a title that is earned. There are elders that can be inspired/humbled by the youth and vice versa. The problem lies when people think they are wise enough to make all the right decisions. At the end of the day an individuals perspective, regardless of how wide, is still a very narrow view of the big picture. In my opinion, I feel as if our inability to compromise and have true discussions on important issues is heavily affected by culture. Social Platforms allow us to create "credibility" from our likes and follows, which fuels our ego.

 

As for youth, I don't know if they are the answer to world peace. I've made pretty bad decisions in the past that I'm glad I learned from when I got older. I don't think it's an age thing. People learn at different rates and I believe it applies to wisdom as well. Culturally, I feel humans need to start adopting and endorsing more efficient ways to have discussions without it withering down to a contest of who is more right. This is why I think the focus should be to change our culture of how we understand and participate in discussions. A culture that can integrate and appreciate "true rhetoric" for debate will be wiser for it.

 

The average human being these days is too distracted by superficial nonsense. It's a hard conditioning to break from and is something people in places of power will use to get us to look away from their true agenda. In the information age, our memories seem to also be shorter, as trends come an go within weeks. This surge of information also means truth is more available, but is also hidden among the trash heap of data we pump. It makes it easy to become complacent, and the worlds politicians want it that way. It gives less of an opponent to shoot down. 

 

I hope that in the 21st century we have another cultural renaissance to re-embrace humanism because we are long overdue for a society that supports enlightened thinking and discussion versus how many likes one can get.

[Zebe]

Inherent respect for elders is an outdated concept from when you needed to be a badass straight out the gate to survive childhood while most of your siblings died around you. Anyone who can not only make it through that in the first place, but then continue to thrive even decades later as their bodies fail, is obviously a source of valuable advice. Modern luxuries have obliterated this notion by creating a multi-layered, reinforced safety net which takes extraordinary levels of incompetence and/or shitty luck to fall all the way through.

[27X]

In human beings wisdom is a scale modifier, not a base stat. It's also an aggregate stat, it requires perception, experience and empathy. If one of those is lacking, wisdom that sticks is unlikely to occur. Wisdom that can fix a town is also a very different knowledgebase from wisdom that can fix the world. Right now what we should be doing is fining out how to take those small group wisdoms that seem to strand the test of time and transplant them as thing to live by as nations, and beyond nations. So far, it's been really reaaaaly slow in happening. And it may not happen in time.

 

Wisdom does increase with age, but it doesn't scale infinitely or get more insightful, and it's got rather little to do with age. Wise people tend to be wise about the age of 27 or so-ish, basically when all the neural connections solidify and integrate, and then what carries through is learned to be applied across differing situations and differing contexts.

 

Problem is A people are slaves to patterned behavior like really bad, and B we don't live very long compared to our environment, so keeping up the knowledge font and making sure we use the good stuff and ditch the bad stuff is hard as fuck, and the more people that applies to, the harder it is to maintain.

 

The other problem is preserving this base of good stuff without making it permanent and modifying it when we need to, and in the face of global warming's actual consequences and stuff like the yellowstone caldera going off, we're gonna be very, very lucky to last out the next millennium with everything intact.

[Guest]

I think depending on person some folks are wise when they older, some is far away from that like our sun from the Alpha Centauri.

 

As for the humanity itself, we not really use history knowledge at all, not seems to me too wise.

 

 

[Jazzman]

4 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

  Circumstances put us all in very different positions in life, granting very different experiences. Where one person might live comfortably under the guidance of their parents throughout most of their lives and see/do very little to form their own opinions or philosophy, another may be thrown to the winds like pollen from a flower at a young age to try and make their own way through the maze that is life on their own. For most, it is some measure of both. Wise men and women have- for the most part- been portrayed in literature, song, film and games as people that have lived many years experiencing many things- the more years they have lived is commonly thought to be the measure of their wisdom. I question this concept.

Wisdom is not about collecting as many trees of knowledge for the personal forest of knowledge as possible over time but not to miss the forest for the trees. It's about connecting the dots, not the dots as such. And finally, there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path to foresee where the path might lead to. That's wisdom, it's learning from an age of own trials and errors, and the hair turns grey. It's the good advice for free by the elders we foolishly tend to reject, rather we prefer to pay a price 'cause price and value are believed to be the same, and not just in modding.

 

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 Our collective youth are extremely perceptive at very young ages and ask fundamental questions about the very nature of our lives. They have no notion of the limitations, biases, discrimination, or other "ideals" that more than likely will be drummed into their brains later by their parents and family, religion, teachers, politicians, media, etc. We are the product of what we have been taught. Our grandparents, parents, and we children that are children-no-more were more or less indoctrinated into a "way of thinking" that today's youth have (hopefully) never been taught. Thus, they are free to interpret everything in life from a fresh perspective.

 

 Why I bring this subject up? We have failed......and will continue until it is much too late. Natural resources disappearing daily that cannot be replenished, entire species becoming extinct, War looming or ongoing in many parts of the world, people's rights and freedoms slowly being eroded. Elected officials and representatives are a fucking joke. It is time to wipe the old world away once and for all time. Old hatreds or grievances must be forgotten! The world must be given to our youth with only a reminder from we "elders" of what NOT to do.

 

 Don't believe me? Look to the World's past civilizations and see how few have survived to present day. They all perished for the same reasons that we will tomorrow or the next. Before you dismiss what I say, think about this; How far off am I in the assumption that with enough nuclear missiles to destroy the world several times over, that the chances are at least decent that we will not see the next century as a species? Our youth-  unbiased, uninfluenced, innocent....is the only hope we have for our children's children and on. Am I completely wrong? Or should we let them (our youth) determine the fate of the world for themselves without most or our teachings? Ignorance- after all- is bliss.

We're free to interpret everything only if we'd remain in our mother's womb, next to that, nevermore. Each generation has to face its own distinct indoctrination by the powers-that-be and this generation got hit hardest by technological progress that makes us talk too much to the wind that has ears, beaten perhaps only by the next generation, the chipped chipmunks when the usual suspects happily start to indoctrinate the last resort of privacy - the sacred dreams - and renegade folks get jailed w/o trial for unspoken thought crimes. Nothing will ever be heard from them again... except for the sound of  t-u-b-u-l-a-r  bells... (I go for Mike Oldfield).

 

If course we will go off the cliff as a species that is totally disconnected from the only known habitat we just love to fuck up. The question is no longer if but when. However, it's common belief that it will happen only after us, in the days of our children or later. Isn't that neat? It frees us from any action. But shouldn't I better tell that my little son to make it easier for him to accept the inevitable when it hits him? And what when, against all hopes, it happens already in our time tho? Up to now we do nothing to prevent our own demise, to protect life instead of just consuming it like a virus its host and continue to live like ostriches as we were told by the boomers with mush for brains that run the show. The future is bright they preach 24/7 from high pulpits, indeed, but eventually too bright all over sudden... when we don't change course.

 

Hitherto we're still living in the Age of Stupid...

 

[Tirloque]

4 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Our youth-  unbiased, uninfluenced, innocent....is the only hope we have for our children's children and on. Am I completely wrong?

Given the fact there are choices one makes while educating a child, and given the fact that among youngsters the main 'cause of death (car accidents due to alcohol/speed, and suicide) keep being the same through years, I'm not sure there is "unbiased" education nor innate improvement. I even think for my part youngsters in fact tend to replicate their parents mistakes.  The main one being pride, carried by the belief the younger generation is better than their old senile parents ; or the older parents considering the younger generation as a reckless/ignorant one. It always struck me how every generation always thought so poorly of the other one, and in how similar they were in fact by doing so.

 

Only difference being the cultural influences do naturally and hopefully do vary with times. But that might not a fundamental difference if pride, and in the end, selfishness and greed always subside underneath. And I'm afraid that the very conviction "of being better" than the others is already a pride stigma. I've indulged too much into it myself not to know it.

 

 

But to better answer to your question, it might be good to define it. What is wisdom ? If it's the ability to make less errors in front of important life choices, then it's necessarily a product of time, as the more mistakes you make, the more chances you get to learn from them. Of course there are people more likely than others to develop this, to the point of being even able to learn from others' mistakes. And some people so blinded by their pride that they can't even learn from theirs. 

 

So, my conclusion on this would be that time/age itself isn't a warrantee of wisdom, but probably increases the odds of it. And that humility, which leads one to question his own knowledge, granting him the ability to learn from its imperfections, probably is another condition to it as well.

37 minutes ago, Resdayn said:

As for the humanity itself, we not really use history knowledge at all.

Some do, but too few indeed. I can't believe how only 70 years after one of the bloodiest war the world ever knew people can still progressively support again the extreme ideologies that led to it.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

Some do, but too few indeed. I can't believe how only 70 years after one of the bloodiest war the world ever knew people can still progressively support again the extreme ideologies that led to it.

Even if few person have the learnt history, problem is the ones who would need have that knowledge don't learnt it and we made thus mistakes again.

 

They do those even if not the same form, but they still use the same thing.

 

[Jazzman]

3 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Even if few person have the learnt history, problem is the ones who would need have that knowledge don't learnt it and we made thus mistakes again.

 

They do those even if not the same form, but they still use the same thing.

 

What think makes the guy in front of a cam or the lawmaker ignore any lesson of history and promote a mass hysteria based on hot air instead, hmm?

It's vested interest, the personal lifestyle depends on it. These people are bought, they are corrupt and thus easily to be blackmailed, it is as simple as that.

[littleman]

I think we suffer from another issue entirely.   Age should = wisdom,  but ideology will always be there to destroy us in the end.  Look at the USA, while it is not an ideology of religion it is however an ideology of way of life/identity/and rights.   it is plain to see for me that ideology is the center of our issues here where the alt left wishes to crush the rights and freedoms of others in the name of "equality and rights for all"  and the alt right wish to prevent social progress and rights for others that threaten their way of life.  Both sides however do not represent the majority of people in the US who wish to just let people be people, and live their lives.  The major issue arises when we reach, what i call the crux of the issue, "I am right, you are wrong" mentality.  This notion prevents anyone from being allowed to reach agreements, as the radicals will not allow even an inch to their thinking, so the  poor sods who are in the middle are always wrong from both sides of the far field.  This is also true with how we use resources and affect the enviroment as well.

 

this sadly  pours into our leadership, who try and  use these issues as weaponry to claim votes and denounce others, which in the end I feel will cause worse ends in the long run, no one has the guts to actually take a moderate stand, as any who do will eventually cross one side or the other and be labled a racist, a sexisit, a homophobe, a transphobic, anti white, anti american, anti life, anti choice,  you name it.  with age should come wisdom, but i think too many want to close their eyes and just be told what is right and wrong  instead and that is why we will never learn.

[Ernest Lemmingway]

Wisdom is the ability to understand what one has learned and apply it to the real world. Understanding is key. Unfortunately it's not universal and requires the ability to look beyond the self. My grandfather was largely self-taught and he was one of the best construction foremen in the US for decades. He was also a staunchly conservative Mormon and Republican and prone to willful ignorance that blinded him to the practical realities of life. In the end he wound up alienating his employers and was forced to retire because he wouldn't accept the changes in society that came with the new millennium. He was smart, certainly, and experienced, but he wasn't terribly wise.

 

He taught me that wisdom does not come with age if one is unwilling to look at the whole picture without bias.

[littleman]

1 minute ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

Wisdom is the ability to understand what one has learned and apply it to the real world. Understanding is key. Unfortunately it's not universal and requires the ability to look beyond the self. My grandfather was largely self-taught and he was one of the best construction foremen in the US for decades. He was also a staunchly conservative Mormon and Republican and prone to willful ignorance that blinded him to the practical realities of life. In the end he wound up alienating his employers and was forced to retire because he wouldn't accept the changes in society that came with the new millennium. He was smart, certainly, and experienced, but he wasn't terribly wise.

 

He taught me that wisdom does not come with age if one is unwilling to look at the whole picture without bias.

That^ is far better written then mine.

[Guest]

The youth in the neighborhood I grew up in have stifled any meaningful investment for fifty-odd years.

  An older-type guy nearly slashed a randomly kidnapped victim,

so trained wiser people shot him, and his victim.

?

  I read a few bombastic things, and nothing changes.

Uncaring Youth railing against the status quo,

the jaded elderly (who get hit with bricks) becoming surly and deaf to newer ways,

the old homeless getting shot or shitting on homeowners' doorsteps...

There is no answer.

If this was post-flypaper, congratulations.

Otherwise,

It's a pointless argument. SOME people, regardless of age, are wise.

"wise beyond their years", it's said.

Others don't give a shit and throw rocks off overpasses to make a statement.

Steal iPhones in trendy hoodies.

 

The Martial Arts master, walking through the doldrums of peoples' lives, beating the shit out of bad guys,

Batmen, Spidermen, Meteor-men, They're usually younger than the incredibly evil bad guy and his cat.

The evil woman with very heavy eye makeup is older than her nemesis.

These are all products of very old wise peoples' fantasies, because reality is too horrible to deal with:

Bullies rule the earth, and always will.

Salesmen, politicians, God-mongers.

 

[ToJKa]

8 hours ago, foxday said:

as much as our leaders are narcissistic. i doubt our world is on the verge of destruction. Why? our world isn't driven by ideologies anymore. Its driven by money and power. and what happens when a global war starts? the stockmarket plummets and growth is unsure. 

Sure, that effectively prevents world wars. And MAD still applies too. As far we know, i wouldn't be shocked if effective missile defense systems existed.

 

But in the long term the threats are climate change, pollution, over population and the ongoing worst mass extinction in the planet's history, whose effects will be felt decades or centuries later, those leaders aren't interested in taking actions that hurt the bottom line and have no immediate benefit. And many common folk are happily denying all that too. But hey, no one has ever claimed humans excel at foresight.

 

Oh well, no point worrying about it. We're all long dead before all that happens anyway. Hope you didn't have kids, though ?

[RitualClarity]

9 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

  Circumstances put us all in very different positions in life, granting very different experiences. Where one person might live comfortably under the guidance of their parents throughout most of their lives and see/do very little to form their own opinions or philosophy, another may be thrown to the winds like pollen from a flower at a young age to try and make their own way through the maze that is life on their own. For most, it is some measure of both. Wise men and women have- for the most part- been portrayed in literature, song, film and games as people that have lived many years experiencing many things- the more years they have lived is commonly thought to be the measure of their wisdom. I question this concept.

 

 Our collective youth are extremely perceptive at very young ages and ask fundamental questions about the very nature of our lives. They have no notion of the limitations, biases, discrimination, or other "ideals" that more than likely will be drummed into their brains later by their parents and family, religion, teachers, politicians, media, etc. We are the product of what we have been taught. Our grandparents, parents, and we children that are children-no-more were more or less indoctrinated into a "way of thinking" that today's youth have (hopefully) never been taught. Thus, they are free to interpret everything in life from a fresh perspective.

 

 Why I bring this subject up? We have failed......and will continue until it is much too late. Natural resources disappearing daily that cannot be replenished, entire species becoming extinct, War looming or ongoing in many parts of the world, people's rights and freedoms slowly being eroded. Elected officials and representatives are a fucking joke. It is time to wipe the old world away once and for all time. Old hatreds or grievances must be forgotten! The world must be given to our youth with only a reminder from we "elders" of what NOT to do.

 

 Don't believe me? Look to the World's past civilizations and see how few have survived to present day. They all perished for the same reasons that we will tomorrow or the next. Before you dismiss what I say, think about this; How far off am I in the assumption that with enough nuclear missiles to destroy the world several times over, that the chances are at least decent that we will not see the next century as a species? Our youth-  unbiased, uninfluenced, innocent....is the only hope we have for our children's children and on. Am I completely wrong? Or should we let them (our youth) determine the fate of the world for themselves without most or our teachings? Ignorance- after all- is bliss.

No. Age doesn't = Wisdom. Many as they get older get comfortable in their actions and what they do and seldom question them asking is this the best way... Things change and adaptation is required which rarely occurs as age occurs..

[gregathit]

Age=experience.  

That experience can be a good or bad thing or a bit of both.

 

As to the whole sky is falling stuff.........war, racism, hate mongering and general stupidity has existed as long as man has been around.  Probably always will.  While I think everyone should try to be as kind to one another as we can and leave the world in better shape than we inherited it..........I'm old enough to know that for most, it won't happen.  However, just because most won't do this isn't a good excuse to not do it ourselves.

[Fakenet]

Maybe next time use a title that actually reflects the topic you want to discuss.

This isn't about the correlation of age and wisdom so the title should rather be:

"THE WORLD IS DOOMED! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!"

 

Fucking keyboard warrior, instead of doing something about it your idea is to complain about it in an attempt to outsource it to other people.

 

And yes, it's the nature of time that nothing lasts forever, very smart of you to notice your own mortality....

 

Get your head out of your own ass!

[Jazzman]

@Fakenet

We produce gmo-free beef you won't find in your local supermarket, use cattle horses for the work instead of quads and need no antibiotics on a daily base to keep the cattle alive as it is custom in gmo Cowschwitz factories. Moreover, I separate my garbage, read yesterday books to gather knowledge that might lead to wisdom and vividly boycott synthetic rubber condoms. Fuck the petroleum industry, didn't find that stuff sucky-sucky anyway.

 

Your move, Mister Know-it-all!

[winny257]

https://www.lerntippsammlung.de/Was-ist-Weisheit-f-.html

 

even stupid Human can be wise. 

[winny257]

23 minutes ago, Jazzman said:

@Fakenet

We produce gmo-free beef you won't find in your local supermarket, use cattle horses for the work instead of quads, need no antibiotics on a daily base to keep the cattle alive as it is custom in gmo Cowschwitz factories. Moreover, I separate my garbage, read yesterday books to gather knowledge that might lead to wisdom and vividly boycott synthetic rubber condoms. Fuck the petroleum industry, didn't find that stuff sucky-sucky anyway.

 

Your move, Mister Know-it-all!

Omniscience has nothing to do with wisdom, every Human can become wise. 

a wise Human only does good, for himself and his Environmental! 

[SameOldScum]

On 8/4/2018 at 8:54 AM, KoolHndLuke said:

1)  Circumstances put us all [...]

 

2) Our collective youth [...]

 

3) Don't believe me? Look to the World's past civilizations and see how few have survived to present day. They all perished for the same reasons that we will tomorrow or the next. Before you dismiss what I say, think about this; How far off am I in the assumption that with enough nuclear missiles to destroy the world several times over, that the chances are at least decent that we will not see the next century as a species? Our youth-  unbiased, uninfluenced, innocent....is the only hope we have for our children's children and on. Am I completely wrong? Or should we let them (our youth) determine the fate of the world for themselves without most or our teachings? Ignorance- after all- is bliss.

 

1) Wisdom in and of itself is, in my opinion, something of a machiavellian concept. Prosperity is good, tolerance is good, peace is good: these are all things that we must aspire to and work towards achieving them, whenever possible. If it's not possible, then we should pave the way for such things to happen. However, life is such and has always been such that sometimes prosperity, peace and tolerance just don't work. Sometimes tensions arise, sometimes the only way to make the people prosper is by abandoning those values and being as strict and uncompromising as the tyrants of old. Thus, discord and possibly war may follow.
Wisdom is knowing when to enforce one and when to nurture another. Circumstance is all, therefore wisdom is a matter of circumstance. If you were in a warrior society, would you consider wise an older man with many scars and tales of war, or a scholar who manages to find insight in almost anything? In a more peaceful society, would the perception of a wise man be the same?

2) Age and wisdom are not necessarily correlated. Youth doesn't necessarily mean inexperience, nor does it necessarily mean improvement or change. You can find plenty of young people who are just as narrow-minded and short-sighted as their parents. It all depends on where you were born, basically.

As for the fact that our youth are innocent, perceptive and our only hope, I say this: bullshit. As I said before, every generation is the byproduct of both their parents and the environment they live in. Fresh perspectives don't just spring up out of nowhere, they are created and nurtured from understanding the flaws of society and of the times you live in, and realising how in the long term they might become too much to bear and put a strain on life, for everyone. Therefore wisdom has nothing to do with this topic, it's more a matter of opportunity.

 

3) You can't possibly expect civilisations to last forever. Nothing does. Besides, while nuclear weapons are definitely here to stay, I seriously doubt they'll ever be used again, no matter how bad things go. We are talking about weapons that can and will eradicate life to an unprecedented scale, ruining cities, the environment and in the long term even the biosphere. No one in their right mind would ever use one of them against a target (and before you point out 1945, keep in mind that this is where they decided it was way too much for the world to handle), there's a reason we came dangerously close to annihilation during the Cold War but didn't go through it: because, assuming you launch them, assuming you wipe out your enemies, what's left then? Your enemies will surely retaliate or have retaliated, so now the only thing you're king of is a smoking wasteland. We do live in rather unpleasant times, with so many unpleasant leaders and figures of authority, and yes, they do rile up the masses, but even then there is only so much that they're prepared to do, and more importantly, there is only so much that people, regular people, are willing to do and capable of doing. Intolerant, narrow-minded and bigoted people might enjoy this state of affairs now, it makes them feel powerful, safe, strong, but sooner or later they are bound to change their ways: not necessarily because they believe what they're doing is wrong, but because they'll see they don't gain anything from it. Good people change out of goodwill, shite people change out of self-interest. But change they do.

History teaches us that we make the same mistakes because we don't pay heed to it. History also teaches us that things inevitably get better.

[Jazzman]

5 hours ago, Rhasyel said:

History teaches us that we make the same mistakes because we don't pay heed to it. History also teaches us that things inevitably get better.

I don't subscribe to this point of view. History tells us that we repeat the old mistakes over and over again because we per se know everything better than those that came before and just love to rewrite history whenever possible. Who again won WW-2 in the Pacific and in Europe, hmm? See?

Things don't inevitably get better acc. to history, that's just wishful thinking of pious technologists that worship Mr Moore. History is an oscillation with ups and downs and we just witness half an amplitude at best which makes predictions (formerly prophecies) difficult. However, to see that we are today in a new Cold War and this time w/o workable diplomatic channels on senior or presidential level since high diplomacy is nowadays called treason in public, unchallenged (!), thus on the brink of all-out nuclear war and total annihilation at any moment as almost called for by the spring 2018 nuclear doctrines of the two nuclear superpowers, that doesn't require an academic grade, let alone wisdom.

 

Just my 2 cts

[FauxFurry]

It all depends on personal trends. A 'wise guy/gal' grows to be truly wise eventually whereas imprudence grows ever deeper over time hence the saying "There is no fool like an old fool."

[Jazzman]

2 minutes ago, FauxFurry said:

It all depends on personal trends. A 'wise guy/gal' grows to be truly wise eventually whereas imprudence grows ever deeper over time hence the saying "There is no fool like an old fool."

And who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?