FauxFurry Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Jazzman said: And who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Perhaps Obi Wan would know best of all or perhaps he might not depending upon his own level of foolishness. Perhaps he was the greatest fool in the galaxy...from a certain point of view.
GrimReaper Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 Wisdom is knowing when you don't know something, a virtue that has been lost or maybe was never really found in the first place. Everyone is so god damn certain all the time it's almost impossible to have a conversation anymore. Everyone who agrees with me is right because I have it all figured out by virtue of having watched hundreds of hours of youtube videos and everyone who disagrees with me must be wrong because I am right - how else could it be?
winny257 Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, FauxFurry said: It all depends on personal trends. A 'wise guy/gal' grows to be truly wise eventually whereas imprudence grows ever deeper over time hence the saying "There is no fool like an old fool." the saying goes like this. No fool is as tall as an old fool https://www.gutzitiert.de/zitat_autor_sprichwort_thema_alter_zitat_29573.html
winny257 Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, GrimReaper said: Wisdom is knowing when you don't know something, a virtue that has been lost or maybe was never really found in the first place. Everyone is so god damn certain all the time it's almost impossible to have a conversation anymore. Everyone who agrees with me is right because I have it all figured out by virtue of having watched hundreds of hours of youtube videos and everyone who disagrees with me must be wrong because I am right - how else could it be? what is wisdom The wisdom researcher Judith Glück has explored these questions and has identified five qualities that wise people possess: openness to new perspectives, empathy, reflection, a prudent handling of one's own feelings and self-confidence. If we resort to these resources, we can succeed in gaining wisdom from life experiences.
GrimReaper Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 8 hours ago, winny257 said: what is wisdom The wisdom researcher Judith Glück has explored these questions and has identified five qualities that wise people possess: openness to new perspectives, empathy, reflection, a prudent handling of one's own feelings and self-confidence. If we resort to these resources, we can succeed in gaining wisdom from life experiences. That's a generic feel good definition because it pretty much applies to anyone. Openness is a personality trait. Empathy is something that's natural to humans and probably related to mirror neurons. Self-reflection is heavily linked to consciousness which is, again, something that every living, non-comatose human experiences. Control over your emotions is something toddlers learn at age 4-5. Self-confidence is only good if you're actually right. If you're wrong and confident about it -> Dunning-Kruger effect. You could obviously say that it depends on how developed these things actually are and I'd be inclined to agree. But the mere presence of these things is pretty meaningless.
winny257 Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 I am wise, I have wise (white) hair. in German it works better, change only one letter s = ß, weise, weiße Haare.
wokking56 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 1:54 AM, KoolHndLuke said: Wise men and women have- for the most part- been portrayed in literature, song, film and games as people that have lived many years experiencing many things- the more years they have lived is commonly thought to be the measure of their wisdom. I question this concept. we children that are children-no-more were more or less indoctrinated into a "way of thinking" Why I bring this subject up? We have failed......and will continue until it is much too late. Natural resources disappearing daily that cannot be replenished, entire species becoming extinct, War looming or ongoing in many parts of the world, people's rights and freedoms slowly being eroded. Elected officials and representatives are a fucking joke. It is time to wipe the old world away once and for all time. Old hatreds or grievances must be forgotten! The world must be given to our youth with only a reminder from we "elders" of what NOT to do. Yes sadly age does not equate to wisdom. I know my fair share of stupid old people and wise young people. I furthermore agree with your next two statements as well. Ending war, expanding peoples rights and freedoms all things my generation fought for. Yet now many of those same fighters have (through that insidious indoctrination) now decided to do the exact opposite. As for handing the world over to the youth, we have no choice since the day will come that we will be gone. Yet the way things sit right now that's a bad idea, many youths wont even listen to an opposing viewpoint. If it is different than theirs it must be wrong, secondly we can only hope that by the time they have to make the hard decisions they have not been indoctrinated as well. On 8/4/2018 at 2:13 AM, foxday said: as much as our leaders are narcissistic. i doubt our world is on the verge of destruction. Why? our world isn't driven by ideologies anymore. Its driven by money and power. and what happens when a global war starts? the stockmarket plummets and growth is unsure. True the world is now ruled by profit unfortunately "WAR" is good for business. Sure at the onset the markets drop but in the long run manufacturing increases, jobs are created and the corporate machine is happy.
nonusnomeni Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 croatian proverb: što stariji to luđi (older = crazier)
Lozeak Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 People need to be free to follow their dreams! but bob dreams of destroying the world! Well, bob can't be free! I feel the world is an amazing place and honestly, life is about finding out what is important to you and doing it! If that's changing the world for the better, you will make the world worse for others.
Jazzman Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 In 29 years I haven't yet met "wise young people" you guys are always talking about, but perhaps I've just missed the wise for the stupid ha, who knows? But I do know that for a million years the clans got advice by the elders and not by the youngsters whose scrolls ain't written yet by Beth, if I may say so... Now what distinguishes a good advice from a wise? Both are biased, make no mistake. Unbiased advice, that's the Greek oracle, cryptic only for those that can't walk in the moccasins of 'the other side' for a mile and thus confuse more or less comprehensive risk-assessment with personal weakness. That's why they fail. Good advice leaves us with the option of a direct, advantageous outcome but only in the short run and wise advice offers the same but first in the long run. If you bet your money on the future you might want to follow the advice of the wise instead of the one given by a good advisor to avoid unintended consequences later, the backlash. If a quick gain is what you're up to, e.g. as a politician with just a term or two in office, you'd inevitably take the good advice. It's short-sighted vs farsighted. The perhaps most interesting contemporary study object to figure out what's what is Henry (Heinz) Alfred Kissinger, US politician of German descent, aged 95. For some he is the devil incarnate, for others the best one-man think tank ever. Well, give the old man a try, if you must. It ain't easy to judge this one...
winny257 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Jazzman said: In 29 years I haven't yet met "wise young people" you guys are always talking about, but perhaps I've just missed the wise for the stupid ha, who knows? But I do know that for a million years the clans got advice by the elders and not by the youngsters whose scrolls ain't written yet by Beth, if I may say so... give a young Human the Power, who his still short life (without experience) only spent with computer games. the especially Shooter play with no regrets, they become in real Live to take up arms faster, as a mature, older Human. young people can be manipulated faster, also here in the modding scene to watch! They want everything and that at all costs, if they it not get, there are even tantrums.
winny257 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, Darkpig said: Age=Wisdom Age=Elderscrolls Wisdom=Axes? No violence at all, is wisdom instead of
wokking56 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Jazzman said: In 29 years I haven't yet met "wise young people" you guys are always talking about, but perhaps I've just missed the wise for the stupid ha, who knows? But I do know that for a million years the clans got advice by the elders and not by the youngsters whose scrolls ain't written yet by Beth, if I may say so... First off in my old cloudy eyes 29 is still young. I do however understand your conundrum, it is quite difficult to hear a songbird among a huge flock of "honking" geese. Once for the record; just as age does not always equal wisdom, wisdom does not always equal smart. 3 hours ago, winny257 said: No violence at all, is wisdom Sorry but that is just wrong, while I do agree that violence is seldom the answer there are times that it is called for. Perhaps I should try negotiating with the bear mauling my neighbor rather than becoming violent.
winny257 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 45 minutes ago, wokking56 said: Sorry but that is just wrong, while I do agree that violence is seldom the answer there are times that it is called for. Perhaps I should try negotiating with the bear mauling my neighbor rather than becoming violent. the Human is that most intelligent beings of this earth, that I do not laugh. I'm not talking about violence against an animal, I speak of violence from Human to Human. a peaceful coexistence among people, unthinkable, the main reason for that is greed! edit: also a bear that harasses your neighbor does not always have to be killed right away. There are other ways to get rid of the troublemaker, scare away with loud noises, anesthetic arrow. also against animals is violent superfluous.
Guest Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 1 hour ago, wokking56 said: Once for the record; just as age does not always equal wisdom, wisdom does not always equal smart. I agree this one
Jazzman Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 1 hour ago, wokking56 said: First off in my old cloudy eyes 29 is still young. I do however understand your conundrum, it is quite difficult to hear a songbird among a huge flock of "honking" geese. Once for the record; just as age does not always equal wisdom, wisdom does not always equal smart. ... assuming that there is at least a single paradise bird in the flock of geese, indeed. So, fttb youth hardly ever equals wisdom and there's always a smarter, bigger fish.
wokking56 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 1 hour ago, winny257 said: the Human is that most intelligent beings of this earth, that I do not laugh. I'm not talking about violence against an animal, I speak of violence from Human to Human. a peaceful coexistence among people, unthinkable, the main reason for that is greed! While I do agree that human on human violence is appalling and should not happen it wont go away that easily. Mostly because humans are petty creatures ruled by their fragile beliefs. People will argue over the dumbest stuff and unfortunately our aggressive animal nature takes over after a prolonged (heated) discussion. At which time the best course of action usually seems to be a solid punch in the face. So what do we argue over: Money - a meaningless peace of paper (it's no longer backed by anything it is a fantasy) Land - you got I want it Religion - my imaginary friend is better than yours Material Goods - that's mine you can't have it Pride - I have more or are just better than you Patriotism - my country is the best (some more so than others) Race, Sex, Age, Handicaps, Body Image, and so on ad nauseam - you don't look/act like me and sadly anyone of these topics can lead to that punch in the face I mentioned earlier.
winny257 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, wokking56 said: Spoiler While I do agree that human on human violence is appalling and should not happen it wont go away that easily. Mostly because humans are petty creatures ruled by their fragile beliefs. People will argue over the dumbest stuff and unfortunately our aggressive animal nature takes over after a prolonged (heated) discussion. At which time the best course of action usually seems to be a solid punch in the face. So what do we argue over: Money - a meaningless peace of paper (it's no longer backed by anything it is a fantasy) Land - you got I want it Religion - my imaginary friend is better than yours Material Goods - that's mine you can't have it Pride - I have more or are just better than you Patriotism - my country is the best (some more so than others) Race, Sex, Age, Handicaps, Body Image, and so on ad nauseam - you don't look/act like me and sadly anyone of these topics can lead to that punch in the face I mentioned earlier. nope, simple the other person let stand and smile. that is strength to beat up another person just because His arguments are better. is weakness I already said, violence is for an intelligent being, superfluous! but when a human is already born into violence, then this human being will learn nothing but violence.
Jazzman Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 For my part, I leave a debate once the reasoning starts to smell circular with rising temperatures and a further participation would just reveal itself as a non-profitable zero-sum game, a waste of time and resources. Opponents might cry victory empty-handed, I don't give two figs. More luck in infotrade with other, more open-minded folks next time. He who brings a gun to the market is most likely a raider, non-agreement capable, and that's the opposite of a business partner.
Guest Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 On 8/5/2018 at 4:57 AM, FauxFurry said: It all depends on personal trends. A 'wise guy/gal' grows to be truly wise eventually whereas imprudence grows ever deeper over time hence the saying "There is no fool like an old fool." If "smug" were written somewhere in the bible universal law as a blasphemous cardinal sin, (they'd misinterpret it and execute everyone they didn't like).. Start-over: People have me cheering for them, and then they start going on about Chosen-this and Beautiful-color-that, and which sex reigns supreme, and who is wise and who isn't. And I want to say "STFU!!" but I can't, not being chosen, the right color or sex, I don't even have the correct avatar. Wise people get pissed, and it's fun to watch, but honestly who cares? The repository of wisdom incarnate has to be Google, and they're only 20. http://orphanrocks.blogspot.com/2018/08/fttb.html
old cat Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 6 hours ago, wokking56 said: Spoiler While I do agree that human on human violence is appalling and should not happen it wont go away that easily. Mostly because humans are petty creatures ruled by their fragile beliefs. People will argue over the dumbest stuff and unfortunately our aggressive animal nature takes over after a prolonged (heated) discussion. At which time the best course of action usually seems to be a solid punch in the face. So what do we argue over: Money - a meaningless peace of paper (it's no longer backed by anything it is a fantasy) Land - you got I want it Religion - my imaginary friend is better than yours Material Goods - that's mine you can't have it Pride - I have more or are just better than you Patriotism - my country is the best (some more so than others) Race, Sex, Age, Handicaps, Body Image, and so on ad nauseam - you don't look/act like me and sadly anyone of these topics can lead to that punch in the face I mentioned earlier. and a thanks to winny257 cause I never would have thought of a spoiler inna quote Having watched people from around the world for last few decades I can only agree with the sentiment expressed. Much as I wish the wisdom of handling conflict were as winny suggests, at this point in my life I sum peoples' interactions up as a focus on comfort and convenience. The less a person thinks about what they have, how they got it, whatever; the easier it is to the disrupt comfort and convenience of their life. The more a more thinks, the more likely to accept or actively look for alternatives to their current comfort and convenience. This way too simplistic for the balda$$ statement I make here, but it has made dealing with a lot "annoyances" day to day and week to week. I will now crawl back in my hole and continue to lurk. cheerio
wokking56 Posted August 6, 2018 Posted August 6, 2018 6 hours ago, winny257 said: nope, simple the other person let stand and smile. that is strength to beat up another person just because His arguments are better. is weakness I already said, violence is for an intelligent being, superfluous! but when a human is already born into violence, then this human being will learn nothing but violence. Just two points then I am done, first you assume that humans are intelligent and secondly I never indicated that one person had better arguments. With two diametrically opposed idiots having differing ideals it is often impossible to reach an understanding. Both stuck in an "I'm right your wrong mindset".
GrimReaper Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 But raw intelligence doesn't really have anything to do with being smart. You need to be extremely intelligent to develop something like the atomic bomb, but it's probably not a smart move to do so.
winny257 Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 7 hours ago, wokking56 said: With two diametrically opposed idiots having differing ideals it is often impossible to reach an understanding. Both stuck in an "I'm right your wrong mindset". you're right and that's why I wrote that! the Human is that most intelligent beings of this earth, that I do not laugh.
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