sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[Antiope_Apollonia]

4 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Go clone a Nord ... ?

I want some brownie points for my alliteration at the end, dagnabbit!

[TrollAutokill]

5 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

my theory is that fnis spells does something to the actor base to cause t-pose on respawns.

DAR is also known for t-posing a few actors, usually after loading a game though. But if you have it in your load order, I would definitely say it's one of the usual suspects.

[DonQuiWho]

12 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

DAR is also known for t-posing a few actors, usually after loading a game though. But if you have it in your load order, I would definitely say it's one of the usual suspects.

 

Not me, guv!

 

I don't have that, and in one game I was getting T-posed 'dead' NPCs, and if IIRC 'undead', NPCs generated from both OBIS and main game NPCs

 

So I'm afraid that DAR maybe isn't the magic Thalmor curse that we might all, every one of us, wish it might be  LOL

[Farsh-nuke]

8 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Not me, guv!

 

I don't have that, and in one game I was getting T-posed 'dead' NPCs, and if IIRC 'undead', NPCs generated from both OBIS and main game NPCs

 

So I'm afraid that DAR maybe isn't the magic Thalmor curse that we might all, every one of us, wish it might be  LOL

T-posing is like the 'black face bug' It's a symptom we all recognise and can be caused by any number of things. There is no single cause.

Edit:

My mistake I used an FNIS spell in the game once by accident and within minutes my character was floating around in the air, moving between load zones wouldn't fix it and I couldn't sit down or get on a horse, I had to use a pleasure self spell to reset the animations for my character.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Farsh-nuke
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[CliftonJD]

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

This seems plausible.  I only added FNIS Spells relatively recently, because it was needed to make something else work (I have no chronoception, so don't ask me how recently, lol).  And I've only encountered the T-posing respawns in the last few playthroughs.

 

Use what, exactly?  I never use any of the actual spells from FNIS Spells manually—I just have it installed as a requirement for something else.

hsh pose dialogs on pahe slaves uses the fnis spells to perform the requested pose

[Farsh-nuke]

14 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Honestly, the MO2 chauvinism is rather out of date at this point.  In the past, it made sense, because it really was vastly superior to the old Nexus Mod Manager in some really important ways.  But so is Vortex.  MO2 and Vortex both do pretty much the same things.  Vortex probably is easier up to the point where it's not.  I guess that sounds glib, but what I mean is that for most things, Vortex is probably easier to learn and use, but when you get into some trickier situations requiring more complex management, it's probably easier to figure out how to solve them with MO2.  But at the end of the day, you can handle pretty much anything with either of them—they're two routes to the same end.

 

Once you're used to either one, switching doesn't make a lot of sense, because although they have largely equivalent capabilities, they have very different interfaces.  Which is probably the other part of why you still see so much MO2 chauvinism.  In the past, it was the only good choice, so all the old timers use it, and although Vortex is similarly capable, its interface will seem pretty unintuitive if you're expecting it to work like MO2—think Windows/macOS—so naturally, the veterans are going to be vexed by Vortex.  

I used vortex for years then moved to MO2 because I heard it was better and I think that with the amount of mods I have currently installed MO2 is better, though that may just be a side effect of having reached a point where I was willing to learn how to properly use all these advanced tools. I am having as much easier time using mods but whether that's because I'm using MO2 or because of the things I learned after moving to MO2 is hard to say. That said nerds always privilege the more obscure stuff and I say that as a Doctor Who and Star Trek fan.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

On 6/4/2022 at 5:18 PM, CliftonJD said:

1 of the previous changes i had changed the behavior packages to disallow world interaction...

So I've done a little testing.  Nothing super rigorous yet.  It seems like it's better, but it's definitely not fixed.  After your comment, I asked one of my unarmed slaves to fight for me, and for quite some time, she hadn't picked any weapons up in normal play.  In the past, it seemed like they'd beeline for anything and everything, and you were taking a weapon from them every five minutes, so unscientifically, it feels like there's been some improvement, but I can't quantify it.  

 

So I went to Brodir Grove in Solstheim, which in my experience is probably the single most notorious location for this—good testing ground if you need to experiment with further tweaks—and she failed the test, however.  Halfway through clearing the camp, she had an ebony axe.  

[CliftonJD]

3 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

So I've done a little testing.  Nothing super rigorous yet.  It seems like it's better, but it's definitely not fixed.  After your comment, I asked one of my unarmed slaves to fight for me, and for quite some time, she hadn't picked any weapons up in normal play.  In the past, it seemed like they'd beeline for anything and everything, and you were taking a weapon from them every five minutes, so unscientifically, it feels like there's been some improvement, but I can't quantify it.  

 

So I went to Brodir Grove in Solstheim, which in my experience is probably the single most notorious location for this—good testing ground if you need to experiment with further tweaks—and she failed the test, however.  Halfway through clearing the camp, she had an ebony axe.  

what surprised me was the slaves i hadn't even asked to fight for me were finding weapons just to save their own hide...in the particular instance i wasn't against it, but at the same time its against the rules without having a special rule to say ok you slaves can grab weapons but you other slaves can't Or nobody grabs a weapon unless its absolutely necessary type thing. my game starts are in blackreach under dire circumstances so ingrid will grab what she can

[CliftonJD]

On 5/31/2022 at 4:34 PM, CliftonJD said:

update 8.1.3:

• astrid should have all quest dialogues ready now

can't remember who had an astrid slave, just curious if that turned out right

[Antiope_Apollonia]

5 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

can't remember who had an astrid slave, just curious if that turned out right

It wasn't me, but I was thinking about enslaving her soon in my current playthrough, so I'll try to remember to deliver a report. ? 

[Parky]

I have Pahe and Diary of Mine installed and working fine. I don't currently have devious devices installed. If I install it now, will it cause issues and would it provide anymore options to dealing with my slaves? I have no interest in capturing or binding my character. I used to love Display Model in LE, but sadly can't seem to get the new version to work for me. Anyone use Display Model with pahe? Thank you for any advice.

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, Parky said:

I have Pahe and Diary of Mine installed and working fine. I don't currently have devious devices installed. If I install it now, will it cause issues and would it provide anymore options to dealing with my slaves? I have no interest in capturing or binding my character. I used to love Display Model in LE, but sadly can't seem to get the new version to work for me. Anyone use Display Model with pahe? Thank you for any advice.

 

As far as Display Model is concerned, It works fine.   That assumes that you are using the

 

Display Model 3 SE version

along with the

Display Model SE (DM3) beta6 hotfix1

 

I don't know what advice I can give you otherwise though, except that, in Load Order terms, Display Model is below Diary of Mine on both L/H and R/H panes in MO2

 

And also that I have ...

ConsoleUtilSSE-24858-1-3-2-1638752965

..... installed.  You get a start up error saying it wants 1.4, but I couldn't find that, and it just works anyway with 1.3

 

NOTE:  I do use the DD framework mods

[Farsh-nuke]

2 hours ago, Parky said:

I have Pahe and Diary of Mine installed and working fine. I don't currently have devious devices installed. If I install it now, will it cause issues and would it provide anymore options to dealing with my slaves? I have no interest in capturing or binding my character. I used to love Display Model in LE, but sadly can't seem to get the new version to work for me. Anyone use Display Model with pahe? Thank you for any advice.

I use PAHE, Diary of Mine, Display Model 3 and Devious Devices. I also play with a mod called Devious Strikers so I get lots of devices to play with lol It's fun giving a slave a plug and bondage

Incidentally I decided to do the Home Sweet Home quest where you start it by becoming thane of falkreath and eventually I had to set it to stage 60 of quest PAHOStart to make progress. I then decided to try out the ending where you abolish slavery and it's so weird because Mona just disappears because she's free and has no AI package (at least if she does I don't know where she went) but there is no requirement to free Merian so ther happy slavery is over ending feels half finished. (for  understandable reasons since I think nobody commented on this) It could really do with either making it so Merian has to be freed but Merian and Mona are found idling in solitude later say and are willing to be your followers. Or have it be that Mona gets caught stealing by whichever Jarl you started working for and the Jarl 'discharges Mona into your custody to serve out her sentence' (i.e. you get her as a slave at the end anyway) with a final exasperated. "You know what I trust you, if you want to keep troublemakers out of harms way I'll look the other way, talk to my steward to find the things we confiscated from those slavers, you might need them."

I did leave comments about the brokenness of Home Sweet Home on that page but support there has stopped and I thought I'd share incase anybody elkse has trout out those variants of the Home Sweet Home quest.

[TrollAutokill]

12 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

I use PAHE, Diary of Mine, Display Model 3 and Devious Devices. I also play with a mod called Devious Strikers so I get lots of devices to play with lol It's fun giving a slave a plug and bondage

Incidentally I decided to do the Home Sweet Home quest where you start it by becoming thane of falkreath and eventually I had to set it to stage 60 of quest PAHOStart to make progress. I then decided to try out the ending where you abolish slavery and it's so weird because Mona just disappears because she's free and has no AI package (at least if she does I don't know where she went) but there is no requirement to free Merian so ther happy slavery is over ending feels half finished. (for  understandable reasons since I think nobody commented on this) It could really do with either making it so Merian has to be freed but Merian and Mona are found idling in solitude later say and are willing to be your followers. Or have it be that Mona gets caught stealing by whichever Jarl you started working for and the Jarl 'discharges Mona into your custody to serve out her sentence' (i.e. you get her as a slave at the end anyway) with a final exasperated. "You know what I trust you, if you want to keep troublemakers out of harms way I'll look the other way, talk to my steward to find the things we confiscated from those slavers, you might need them."

I did leave comments about the brokenness of Home Sweet Home on that page but support there has stopped and I thought I'd share incase anybody elkse has trout out those variants of the Home Sweet Home quest.

You can always release Merin. If she has no package she should just hang around.

 

If you loose them try player.moveto <actor refid> (not base id). Save before in case you end up in the void... Try it for Mona to se where she is.

Edited June 10, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Farsh-nuke]

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

You can always release Merin. If she has no package she shykust hang around.

 

If you loose them try player.moveto <actor refid> (not base id). Save before in case you end up in the void... Try it for Mona to se where she is.

I did release Merin but I bumped into her at Pardos. I decided to use this save file test out the Thieves Guild For the Good Guys Mod I have and decided to set up a HSH camp just to see how well it does. Something messed up as now despite not being a follower with no follower dialogue and not a slave with no slave dialogue she is naked in an an iron collar of leashing lol Still I used SLEN and her hostility at being enslaved is over and now she considers me a friend. I'm not complaining but it does indicate some glitch or unintentional reaction between mods

Edit:
I have no idea what the refid of mona would be and I am too ignorant to see it sseedit

Edited June 10, 2022 by Farsh-nuke

[DonQuiWho]

@TrollAutokill @CliftonJD

 

Not sure if I should ask here or on DOM, but given your knowledge of all things PAHE/DOM/HSH/AYGAS, do either/both of you have any idea why, if I enslave Ensign Rikke via PAHE when I despatch her during the Castle Dour battle ending (see below*), I can't then get any 'Ever drreamed of having a servant' dialogue from Galmar in Windhelm?  Nor the steward there.  I'd even give Rikke to Galmar as a present if I could!

 

Do Jarls and their Upper Ranks just not have that capability enabled? - maybe because the No2s are dotting around all over the place during the Civil War?   And is there any way of enabling the winners from the triumphant team after the CW is over?

 

* FWIW, I paralysed her with a non lethal weapon - from a mod that now, sadly, seems to have vanished from Nexus ie Non-Hostile Weapons for Kind Guys-87714, but there will be similar mods - then bash her with a real weapon until her health falls below my set PAHE threshold, and finally use 'Enslave Health' to complete the process.  Pretty much what I do on all my 'catches' as it gives time to select which to despatch and which are 'keepers' ?

 

 

[TrollAutokill]

40 minutes ago, DonQuiWho said:

@TrollAutokill @CliftonJD

 

Not sure if I should ask here or on DOM, but given your knowledge of all things PAHE/DOM/HSH/AYGAS, do either/both of you have any idea why, if I enslave Ensign Rikke via PAHE when I despatch her during the Castle Dour battle ending (see below*), I can't then get any 'Ever drreamed of having a servant' dialogue from Galmar in Windhelm?  Nor the steward there.  I'd even give Rikke to Galmar as a present if I could!

 

Do Jarls and their Upper Ranks just not have that capability enabled? - maybe because the No2s are dotting around all over the place during the Civil War?   And is there any way of enabling the winners from the triumphant team after the CW is over?

 

* FWIW, I paralysed her with a non lethal weapon - from a mod that now, sadly, seems to have vanished from Nexus ie Non-Hostile Weapons for Kind Guys-87714, but there will be similar mods - then bash her with a real weapon until her health falls below my set PAHE threshold, and finally use 'Enslave Health' to complete the process.  Pretty much what I do on all my 'catches' as it gives time to select which to despatch and which are 'keepers' ?

 

 

Karl don't buy slaves because they don't need it. That's all feature from AYGAS and maybe what you're experiencing isba consequence of that. But Jarl's should have the "dream of a servant" dialogue, they just answer they are leaving the dream, without any option to sell them one.

Edited June 10, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Gukahn]

1 minute ago, TrollAutokill said:

Karl don't buy slaves because they don't need it. That's all feature from AYGAS and maybe what you're experiencing isba consequence of that. But Jarl's should have the "dream of a servant" dialogue, they just answer they are leaving the dream, without any option to sell them one.

yeah, think its meant as some kinda fail save for, when someone does the civil war. Or something like that.. Found out the sad way when i wanted to sell Elisif to Ulfric ?

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, TrollAutokill said:

Karl don't buy slaves because they don't need it. That's all feature from AYGAS and maybe what you're experiencing isba consequence of that. But Jarl's should have the "dream of a servant" dialogue, they just answer they are leaving the dream, without any option to sell them one.

 

Thanks.  It's such a shame though, as it feels like the game hasn't got a good ending there  ...

 

1 hour ago, Gukahn said:

yeah, think its meant as some kinda fail save for, when someone does the civil war. Or something like that.. Found out the sad way when i wanted to sell Elisif to Ulfric ?

 

SNAP! 

 

Both my current games have Ulfric modded as female, Ulfrika,

 

When the Stormcloaks won the CW (this afternoon), even I couldn't inflict Tullius on her, so I killed him.  Not being able to sell even Elisif to her as a pet is sad tho. 

Where the Imperials won in my other game, with a male PC, well, I'm keeping Ulfrika for myself!

 

Joking aside, it is a pity that you can't let the winning Jarl have a trophy, as justice feels incomplete

 

 

[Gukahn]

Just now, DonQuiWho said:

Joking aside, it is a pity that you can't let the winning Jarl have a trophy, as justice feels incomplete

It's not about giving Ulfric a trophy, it's about giving that useless Bitch a purpose ?

The only possible way i can imagine her as Highqueen is, that she is sucking off every imperial soldier in solitude all day while Tulius and Falk reign.. If they are not using her too  that is ? Elisif.. Not really leadership material

[CliftonJD]

On 6/9/2022 at 1:52 PM, Antiope_Apollonia said:

It wasn't me, but I was thinking about enslaving her soon in my current playthrough, so I'll try to remember to deliver a report. ? 

ok, thanks

 

4 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Joking aside, it is a pity that you can't let the winning Jarl have a trophy, as justice feels incomplete

ya, i always found it annoying that i can't sell them any slaves as well

Edited June 10, 2022 by CliftonJD

[CliftonJD]

On 6/9/2022 at 3:44 PM, Parky said:

I have Pahe and Diary of Mine installed and working fine. I don't currently have devious devices installed. If I install it now, will it cause issues and would it provide anymore options to dealing with my slaves? I have no interest in capturing or binding my character. I used to love Display Model in LE, but sadly can't seem to get the new version to work for me. Anyone use Display Model with pahe? Thank you for any advice.

shouldn't be any issues with dd, aside from needing the polling setting in its mcm high enough to match how many slaves you use them on in the loaded area. devious gag allow the respect training sooner than usual and speed up the training as well. devious plugs speed up sex training and strait jackets speed up combat training

[Farsh-nuke]

I remember the first time I did a stormcloak run I was genuinely so upset that Barlgruuf was no longer Jarl. I legit assumed based on dialogue and that he was so important to the start of the game that he would be on whichever side you the player picked so it is sad I can't sell him a slave. Perhaps give him Nazeem and streamline their relationship.

[Martok73]

Hey, so I started using/testing TDF 20220529_v2, with the pahe slave patch that it comes with, the big file, not the one with or without the friendly bug just the regular pahe-tdf patch that is in the main zip file and not inside any other folder. So I've noticed a few things possibly a bug not sure. The dialog to recruit a regular follower into prostitution seems to be working just fine, I've been able to get my followers to start hooking and the dialog to pimp them out shows up with normal named npcs and all seems to work ok. However so far for any npc that is not my follower I'm not getting any dialog to recruit the npc, I'm only getting dialog to either pimp out following hookers, my character, or a single dialog to "hire" the npc for sex with my character. It is not giving me the option to recruit the npc to work for me as a prostitute. Do you have to have a certain affinity level with the npc in order to get them to work for you? I've also noticed that in order to get any TDF dialog at all, you have to save and reload after installing the first time. Oh and a bug I've notice, when having a npc dance, the sweet devil animation isn't playing, npc is just turning around in a circle. Oh and why can't we have/use music when having the npc dance?

 

What is the difference between the two esp in the folders labeled with friendly bug and without friendly bug, and the pahe-tdf patch esp that isn't in any folder and just in the root zip file?

[CliftonJD]

6 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I've been able to get my followers to start hooking and the dialog to pimp them out shows up with normal named npcs and all seems to work ok. However so far for any npc that is not my follower I'm not getting any dialog to recruit the npc, I'm only getting dialog to either pimp out following hookers, my character, or a single dialog to "hire" the npc for sex with my character. It is not giving me the option to recruit the npc to work for me as a prostitute. Do you have to have a certain affinity level with the npc in order to get them to work for you? 

hmm, is that with 3 followers as hookers or does it give the same issue with less followers as hookers. uniques should still have the bribery option if you haven't used your limit to them. slaves still require to be sufficiently trained

6 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I've also noticed that in order to get any TDF dialog at all, you have to save and reload after installing the first time. Oh and a bug I've notice, when having a npc dance, the sweet devil animation isn't playing, npc is just turning around in a circle. Oh and why can't we have/use music when having the npc dance?

hmm, sounds like the new patch is having trouble integrating with active quests. i would suggest firing all active hookers or street hookers first, then hit the reset from the tdf menu.

come to think of it i do remember similar issues with pahe when those quest markers were changed mid-save. if you continue having troubles after the tdf reset, i'll have to suggest reloading a previous save to upgrading and only use this save with the patch labeled "with friendly bug". the newer slave patch "without friendly bug" might have to wait for a new/cleaned save

6 hours ago, Martok73 said:

What is the difference between the two esp in the folders labeled with friendly bug and without friendly bug, and the pahe-tdf patch esp that isn't in any folder and just in the root zip file?

"with friendly bug" is the traditional slave patch we're used to from the past. it doesn't handle any precautions to deal with the bug discovered for random npc's like the common slaves so eventually its possible to find a respawn of your slave hooker as allied to the player against other enemies when used with that version of tdf.

 

"without friendly bug" changes the quest markers for non-uniques to prevent them from saving data to the base actor and changes the dialogues to prevent the followers or uniques from using up the slots designed for the non-uniques so that each only allows 3. non-uniques used with this version of the slave patch are unable to show names in dialogues and sometimes fail to start a 3-some or watcher scene. the slave patch already included with the main package is this version of the patch unzipped and ready