sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[Martok73]

19 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

a bug was discovered that saving the slave name to the quest for use in the dialogues results in respawns of the random bandit allied to the player against other foes, but changing the tdf quests so they no longer save that data results in the dialogues not showing the name. so the slave patch is now half and half, meaning 3 non-uniques and 3 uniques at a time. you can still fire those and hire others, but the max at a time is 3 and 3. that also doesn't count how many city hookers you can have, so if your hookers get enough clients and/or training, you can send them to work alone or in a city opening a slot for a new hooker

So it's just for the 6 hookers that are following you then and not the city/roaming/independent hookers? Let me see if I am understanding this right, that means that I can only have 3 non-unique slave hookers following me at a time total, is that correct? Or does it mean that if I have 6 slaves that are not unique and just generic, that they will not have their name shown in dialog?  The vast majority of my slaves are generic types and not unique, which means that most of the hookers I have currently are those generic slave npcs. I do have a couple named unique npcs that I have either persueded or hired to work for me in place in a couple cities already, but not many.

[CliftonJD]

2 hours ago, Martok73 said:

So it's just for the 6 hookers that are following you then and not the city/roaming/independent hookers? Let me see if I am understanding this right, that means that I can only have 3 non-unique slave hookers following me at a time total, is that correct? Or does it mean that if I have 6 slaves that are not unique and just generic, that they will not have their name shown in dialog?  The vast majority of my slaves are generic types and not unique, which means that most of the hookers I have currently are those generic slave npcs. I do have a couple named unique npcs that I have either persueded or hired to work for me in place in a couple cities already, but not many.

yes, there are far too many bugs with the non-uniques to leave the addon set to allow all 6 non-uniques. name doesn't show in dialogue for those slaves and while testing those slaves i'm already finding problems with the 3some dialogues only working all the time if you only have 1 non-unique, completely random on whether it works if you have more than 1 non-unique, and odds of the 3some working get worse with 3 non-uniques. i really wish we had a better solution. in time i hope to switch to a system of point them out like felglow or hsh uses

[TomahawkChop]

hi guys, greetings.. am I missing something since I cannot find the slave camp do I need the one with all add-ons? 

[Antiope_Apollonia]

6 minutes ago, TomahawkChop said:

hi guys, greetings.. am I missing something since I cannot find the slave camp do I need the one with all add-ons? 

You don't need all the add-ons, but you certainly need the slave camp add-on if you want to have the slave camp...

[CliftonJD]

1 hour ago, TomahawkChop said:

hi guys, greetings.. am I missing something since I cannot find the slave camp do I need the one with all add-ons? 

on the downloads its the very top

[Martok73]

On 5/24/2022 at 5:21 PM, CliftonJD said:

yes, there are far too many bugs with the non-uniques to leave the addon set to allow all 6 non-uniques. name doesn't show in dialogue for those slaves and while testing those slaves i'm already finding problems with the 3some dialogues only working all the time if you only have 1 non-unique, completely random on whether it works if you have more than 1 non-unique, and odds of the 3some working get worse with 3 non-uniques. i really wish we had a better solution. in time i hope to switch to a system of point them out like felglow or hsh uses

Ok, that makes a little bit more sense, I think. The version I have installed and working at the moment doesn't show any of my generic slave hookers names in the dialog, it just uses their base type name of whatever they were before I enslaved them. I think the version I have supports 4 following hookers at a time... honestly can't remember. I have several working in cities own their own, but they don't show up in the mcm once they are no longer following me. Not sure which version I have now to be honest.

[DonQuiWho]

I may have missed this somewhere, and the thread is pretty well unsearchable ATM, but is there any way, for roleplaying purposes, of 'donating' a slave to another NPC? For instance

 

- in a Stormcloak Civil War playthrough, I'd like to be able to give Legate Rikke, as a well trained present, to Galmar Stone-Fist.  He deserves her

- or maybe, in the converse Imperial Playthrough, end up giving Laila Law-Giver to Hadvar as a reward for his service

- and of course, after training Nivenor, you'd want to give her back to Bolli for free, and make him a very happy man .... ?

 

Anyone know if this can be done, and how?

[Pfiffy]

I need some help with the Keywords. I made a little collection of Dresses for Hookers and slaves, that are not covering the 'important' parts in sex scenes. There are also some Collars, that I want to set up as Lesh Collars,  Hentai Collars and no strip... at best without blocking animations or DD slots. So whatKeyword does what? And how do they interact?

 

[Antiope_Apollonia]

2 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

I made a little collection of Dresses for Hookers and slaves, that are not covering the 'important' parts

Share?! ?

 

2 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

There are also some Collars, that I want to set up as Lesh Collars,

Probably the easiest thing to do would be to just copy the PAHE advanced slave collar as a new record, then just change the mesh in xEdit to use the mesh from your new mod.  I replaced meshes from the Sisterhood of Dibella garlands with the ones from Ophelia, for example.

[Pfiffy]

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Share?! ?

 

Probably the easiest thing to do would be to just copy the PAHE advanced slave collar as a new record, then just change the mesh in xEdit to use the mesh from your new mod.  I replaced meshes from the Sisterhood of Dibella garlands with the ones from Ophelia, for example.

This is nothing to share... too many dependencies... The collars are not that much of a problem. I just want to know what each keyword means, so that I can pick and choose a bit. 

I took the Coco MSShirts, Pinup and lingerie, Osares Gothic Lolita, Daughters of Dimitrscu and the Renegade Doctor and now I'm patching them together to one-piece dresses by combining the different pieces.  Usually without bra and panties, so that everything is possible.... I'm will do some Screen shots...

[CliftonJD]

20 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Ok, that makes a little bit more sense, I think. The version I have installed and working at the moment doesn't show any of my generic slave hookers names in the dialog, it just uses their base type name of whatever they were before I enslaved them. I think the version I have supports 4 following hookers at a time... honestly can't remember. I have several working in cities own their own, but they don't show up in the mcm once they are no longer following me. Not sure which version I have now to be honest.

your patch or slave-addon is likely the first i made to the current tdf, pretty much the same as the posted version on the download page, but allows for the forth slave. somewhere recent in the previous page here in the thread, i sent out both an updated slave-addon for all 6 slaves and a script update to the city hookers to remove slaves from the roster when they're assigned to work in the cities or free-range.

 

the next more recent change to that comes after the pattern of friendly bandits gets more notice. the slave-addon now adjusts the quests for 3 of the slaves to prevent this bug from happening and the other 3 unaltered quests are now set to be unique only so you end up with 3 non-unique who don't show names in dialogues at all, but instead you get 3 dots in brackets like this [...] and you get 3 uniques who still show names as before. the 3 non-uniques without names also tend to bug out the 3-ways option so that none of the other no name slaves are chosen when the option is chosen

 

most recent full package here (notice the screenshots of the new mcm page as well) : 

with a city fix to winterhold here: 

and the slave patch update here: 

 

9 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

I may have missed this somewhere, and the thread is pretty well unsearchable ATM, but is there any way, for roleplaying purposes, of 'donating' a slave to another NPC? For instance

 

- in a Stormcloak Civil War playthrough, I'd like to be able to give Legate Rikke, as a well trained present, to Galmar Stone-Fist.  He deserves her

- or maybe, in the converse Imperial Playthrough, end up giving Laila Law-Giver to Hadvar as a reward for his service

- and of course, after training Nivenor, you'd want to give her back to Bolli for free, and make him a very happy man .... ?

 

Anyone know if this can be done, and how?

that i haven't heard of yet, sounds like another add-on mod or add-on request to be made in the future

8 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

I need some help with the Keywords. I made a little collection of Dresses for Hookers and slaves, that are not covering the 'important' parts in sex scenes. There are also some Collars, that I want to set up as Lesh Collars,  Hentai Collars and no strip... at best without blocking animations or DD slots. So whatKeyword does what? And how do they interact?

 

original leash keyword is still the PAHRestraintLeash [KYWD:0604BE3C] no strip keyword is SexLabNoStrip [KYWD:0202F16E] think there's also an sos keyword for sos revealing

 

pahe also monitors dd and zaz keywords as leashes:

zbfEffectNoSprint [KYWD:08008A34]  zbfEffectSlowMove [KYWD:08008A37]  zad_DeviousCollar [KYWD:03003DF7] zad_DeviousBlindfold [KYWD:03011B1A]  zad_DeviousAnkleShackles [KYWD:0505F4BB] zad_EffectForcedWalk [KYWD:05061FD5] zad_DeviousHobbleSkirt [KYWD:0505F4BA] zad_DeviousPetSuit [KYWD:05086C1D] 

 

combat training enhancements thru these keywords:

Pah_Dwarven_Device [KYWD:0601223F] zad_DeviousPetSuit [KYWD:05086C1D]  zad_DeviousStraitJacket [KYWD:05060A46]

 

sex training and combat slut training thru these keywords:

zad_DeviousPlugVaginal [KYWD:0301DD7C] zad_DeviousPlugAnal [KYWD:0301DD7D]

 

gag keywords:

zad_DeviousGag [KYWD:03007EB8] zbfWornGag [KYWD:08008A4D]

pah slave dialogues need to be programmed for the gags to work as intended so not all dialogues have gag restrictions in place yet

[CliftonJD]

almost forgot, i have another dialogue and tif fix too:

fire_city_hookers.esl AIBB_TIF__050316DF.psc AIBB_TIF__050316DF.pex

this fixes the fire city hooker dialogue to reuse the same script as the hire city hooker dialogue so the script can auto-detect ex-slaves to be re-added back to pahe

[DonQuiWho]

8 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

that i haven't heard of yet, sounds like another add-on mod or add-on request to be made in the future

 

Thanks for the reply

 

Having played this mod since Layman's version was first on Nexus, I thought not. 

 

I guess that I was basically just trying to say 'Please, mister' as obliquely as possible, without it looking as if I was begging too obsequiously  ?

Edited May 26, 2022 by DonQuiWho

[Antiope_Apollonia]

10 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

but is there any way, for roleplaying purposes, of 'donating' a slave to another NPC?

This seems like a feature for the DoM-integrated AYGAS-successor I've been trying to lobby @TrollAutokill to take up the (admittedly considerable) challenge of incorporating into DoM. ? No bites, yet, though!

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Antiope_Apollonia

[CliftonJD]

14 minutes ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Thanks for the reply

 

Having played this mod since Layman's version was first on Nexus, I thought not. 

 

I guess that I was basically just trying to say 'Please, mister' as obliquely as possible, without it looking as if I was begging too obsequiously  ?

it seems like something that would best fit the scope of aygas as assigning an owner to a slave, would only need the option to gift the slave instead of selling. few of us are working on side projects for more places to sell the slaves, but i don't think any are assigned to owners

 

i think Antiope_Apollonia and another user are adding another immersive method of selling unique slaves to certain people, might not be far from what you're looking at to add gifting as an option there

 

in the future pahe has plans of improving the release functions or adding options to releasing slaves, but other things coming before that's looked into

[DonQuiWho]

Thanks to @CliftonJD and @Antiope_Apollonia for the Heads Ups there.

 

I agree that it's probably done best as an offshoot via DOM/AYGAS

 

So is @TrollAutokill most suceptible to threats (unlikely if he kills Trolls with just a withering look), obsequiousness, effusive praise, or just plain old fashioned bribery?  I think we should be told ...

[Pfiffy]

9 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

 

original leash keyword is still the PAHRestraintLeash [KYWD:0604BE3C] no strip keyword is SexLabNoStrip [KYWD:0202F16E] think there's also an sos keyword for sos revealing

So the SexlabNoStrip obviously prevents the undressing during sex. 

 

9 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

pahe also monitors dd and zaz keywords as leashes:

zbfEffectNoSprint [KYWD:08008A34]  zbfEffectSlowMove [KYWD:08008A37]  zad_DeviousCollar [KYWD:03003DF7] zad_DeviousBlindfold [KYWD:03011B1A]  zad_DeviousAnkleShackles [KYWD:0505F4BB] zad_EffectForcedWalk [KYWD:05061FD5] zad_DeviousHobbleSkirt [KYWD:0505F4BA] zad_DeviousPetSuit [KYWD:05086C1D] 

 

combat training enhancements thru these keywords:

Pah_Dwarven_Device [KYWD:0601223F] zad_DeviousPetSuit [KYWD:05086C1D]  zad_DeviousStraitJacket [KYWD:05060A46]

Is the Petsuit Keyword also responsible for forcing the wearer into the crawling animation? And will the Pahe_Dwarven_Device Keyword work without it?

 

9 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

 

sex training and combat slut training thru these keywords:

zad_DeviousPlugVaginal [KYWD:0301DD7C] zad_DeviousPlugAnal [KYWD:0301DD7D]

These are Keywords that come with DD, I guess. If I skip them I have no training, but the DD Animfilter will no longer cause probems with starting the animations? 

9 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

 

gag keywords:

zad_DeviousGag [KYWD:03007EB8] zbfWornGag [KYWD:08008A4D]

pah slave dialogues need to be programmed for the gags to work as intended so not all dialogues have gag restrictions in place yet

For the gags it is the question if the animfilter blocks oral anims. I'm going to test, which one works best...

[Martok73]

On 5/26/2022 at 3:42 PM, CliftonJD said:

your patch or slave-addon is likely the first i made to the current tdf, pretty much the same as the posted version on the download page, but allows for the forth slave. somewhere recent in the previous page here in the thread, i sent out both an updated slave-addon for all 6 slaves and a script update to the city hookers to remove slaves from the roster when they're assigned to work in the cities or free-range.

 

the next more recent change to that comes after the pattern of friendly bandits gets more notice. the slave-addon now adjusts the quests for 3 of the slaves to prevent this bug from happening and the other 3 unaltered quests are now set to be unique only so you end up with 3 non-unique who don't show names in dialogues at all, but instead you get 3 dots in brackets like this [...] and you get 3 uniques who still show names as before. the 3 non-uniques without names also tend to bug out the 3-ways option so that none of the other no name slaves are chosen when the option is chosen

I have this version currently TDF20220423. I've only ever had 4 slave hookers following me at a time, so no clue if it supports 6 or not. Would it be possible to change "slut" to either "hooker" or "whore" ? Only asking cause slut to me is just a tad bit confusing as a slut doesn't get paid and gives it out for free, whereas a whore or hooker gets paid for it . I mean it is technically a prostitution mod, LOL ?

[Farsh-nuke]

So I've been away from skyrim and modding a few months but I just caught back up on this thread and it seems I'm conveniently at a good point to jump in mod development wise, Though I am curious about Diary Of Mine

I have read what @Antiope_Apollonia has been saying regarding consent and I think that broadly if Clifton can find a way for the backend to work I am in favour of it.

I'll be blunt that consent as far as this mod goes makes less sense than the average rom com and bares even less relation actual consent. Paradise Halls is a great mod but consent in this mod basically determines the animations used and how the player character talks to a slave. In some ways that's fine. Remember the panic the book and movie Fifty Shades of Grey got for failing to show proper consent in a bdsm relationship? Imagine how bad it could be interpreted if a slave mod sincerely tries to respect proper consent aonly to faiol because it's a mod of a bethesda game and sometimes it just borks.

I am not smart enough to say how the changes Antiope has suggested might work with Paradise Halls and even if they can work, this is a free mod for a video game and Clifton works damned hard squishing bugs as it is so if he says no I respect that. 

That said Antiope did reveal something that I think got brushed over and forgotten. That essentially they just want a way for Diary of Mine to manage consent. So hypothetically how much extra work would it be to have actual separate consent bar? Depending on how difficult it would be, either a simple backend hook for DOM to connect to and use or a straight up readable total of the factors followed by a metaphorical dice roll to add the randomisation Clifton thinks is important but within a range that DOM and Paradise halls can buff or nerf depending on factors. If it's too complicated I understand. I just think that if there was the option to model things that improve or take away likelihood of a slave to consent then that would be something I am in favour of.

Anyway cheers to all of you for all you bug testers and to clifton and Pfiffy for their stirling work.

[Farsh-nuke]

10 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I have this version currently TDF20220423. I've only ever had 4 slave hookers following me at a time, so no clue if it supports 6 or not. Would it be possible to change "slut" to either "hooker" or "whore" ? Only asking cause slut to me is just a tad bit confusing as a slut doesn't get paid and gives it out for free, whereas a whore or hooker gets paid for it . I mean it is technically a prostitution mod, LOL ?

I mean like the term sex worker exists and is the preferred term for self employed workers of the bedroom arts as it were. Martok is right, sluts are sexually promiscuous and don't ask for payment. I know I have friends who are sluts and know people who are sex workers. Unless the idea is that the sex workers are sluts as well. Actually perhaps a sex worker could level up to become a slut, as in they no longer need to get paid because the sex itself is its own reward. At higher levels maybe they pay you fore the privilege of letting them get so much sex

[Neon5775]

Hello, Im completely new to skyrim modding and i wnated to try paradise halls, i have only used vortex to mod witcher 3 a bit before. Could someone tell me which all files are needed from the download tab as i see alot of files are patches and so on. Im sorry if this question seems a bit stupid blut any help would be appreciated

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, Neon5775 said:

Hello, Im completely new to skyrim modding and i wnated to try paradise halls, i have only used vortex to mod witcher 3 a bit before. Could someone tell me which all files are needed from the download tab as i see alot of files are patches and so on. Im sorry if this question seems a bit stupid blut any help would be appreciated

 

If you really are starting afresh, could I suggest that you use Mod Organiser 2?  You're not likely to regret it

[CliftonJD]

On 5/27/2022 at 1:06 AM, Pfiffy said:

Is the Petsuit Keyword also responsible for forcing the wearer into the crawling animation? And will the Pahe_Dwarven_Device Keyword work without it?

yes and yes, it just gives less training without both keywords

On 5/27/2022 at 1:06 AM, Pfiffy said:

These are Keywords that come with DD, I guess. If I skip them I have no training, but the DD Animfilter will no longer cause probems with starting the animations? 

yes

On 5/27/2022 at 1:06 AM, Pfiffy said:

So the SexlabNoStrip obviously prevents the undressing during sex. 

yes, for that item

On 5/27/2022 at 1:06 AM, Pfiffy said:

For the gags it is the question if the animfilter blocks oral anims. I'm going to test, which one works best...

zbf is zaz and zad is devious so for zaz you would add zbfWornPermitOral [KYWD:08019FDA] or for dd you would add zad_PermitOral [KYWD:0300FAC9]

17 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I have this version currently TDF20220423. I've only ever had 4 slave hookers following me at a time, so no clue if it supports 6 or not. Would it be possible to change "slut" to either "hooker" or "whore" ? Only asking cause slut to me is just a tad bit confusing as a slut doesn't get paid and gives it out for free, whereas a whore or hooker gets paid for it . I mean it is technically a prostitution mod, LOL ?

iirc that was the latest full release so it should support all 6 hookers, it just won't have the newer fixes in yet. don't know if pfiffy has made any changes on his end so i haven't sent out any newer full versions yet.

 

lol, no objection to changing sluts to hookers either...just was meant to shorten from prostitute

5 hours ago, Neon5775 said:

Hello, Im completely new to skyrim modding and i wnated to try paradise halls, i have only used vortex to mod witcher 3 a bit before. Could someone tell me which all files are needed from the download tab as i see alot of files are patches and so on. Im sorry if this question seems a bit stupid blut any help would be appreciated

pahe_lives_on-8.1.2 SE basic install with out addons.7z is really all that's needed. everything else is optional for other addons

[Antiope_Apollonia]

23 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

lol, no objection to changing sluts to hookers either...just was meant to shorten from prostitute

"Whores" would get my vote as the most immersive choice in the context of a world like Skyrim.  

[DonQuiWho]

28 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

"Whores" would get my vote as the most immersive choice in the context of a world like Skyrim.  

 

We could have 'tarts'.  There's barrel loads of 'them apples' to be found ...