Deviously Cursed Loot SE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[shillk]

3 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Not sure what you expect here. we can't do anything to fix zaz. All interactions with zaz were removed from DD.

Best I can say is uncheck the override option in zaz's mcm under sexlab so DD and zaz aren't fighting there. animations can't be completely disabled in DD anymore.

I don't quite get it. zaz works fine with DD. the problem only occures when DCL is thrown in the mix, so to me it's more intuitive to somehow patch either zaz or DCL. how is DD not interacting with zaz had a hand in this.

 

Just tried unchecked the override option then used the 'register sexlab animation' and 'rebuild base animation', then save and reload, but unfortunately didn't solve the conflict.

[Elsidia]

7 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

noone would look at it if I did

I look at it. If have no answer i don't.

There is big chance, that this error not crash game. I play with that long time.

Problem is in whip and chain inn - inside are too many objects, what leads to disappear some  contraptions devices on NPC. NPC still stay active, but not have device, because cause this error.

Fix: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/100032-deviously-cursed-loot-se-90-2021-03-09/?do=findComment&comment=3621519

 

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, shillk said:

how is DD not interacting with zaz had a hand in this.

 

DCL uses DD, not ZAZ is why I brought DD into it. ZAZ items use ZAZ. The two don't mix and work alongside each other because they don't have overlapping calls. DCL items aren't using zaz for anything because zaz was removed from DD's requirements. And ZAZ never touched anything DCL or DD.  ZAZ has it's own bound animations, it won't be using DD/DCL's bound animations.

 

I do think you're mixing up a problem that can manifest with bound animations as a conflict between DD/DCL and ZAZ.

[DonQuiWho]

12 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

I look at them

If it's not normally a problem, it could just be skyrim being skyrim. If you have netscriptframework or crash logger, those would be more useful in troubleshooting a CTD. Papyrus logs are generally useless for CTDs, because the logger crashes with the game and the cause does not get logged.

 

6 hours ago, Elsidia said:

I look at it. If have no answer i don't.

There is big chance, that this error not crash game. I play with that long time.

Problem is in whip and chain inn - inside are too many objects, what leads to disappear some  contraptions devices on NPC. NPC still stay active, but not have device, because cause this error.

Fix: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/100032-deviously-cursed-loot-se-90-2021-03-09/?do=findComment&comment=3621519

 

 

Thanks vm, both of you!

 

I did indeed forget to check the Netscriptframework output!  Like almost every other CTD my game has, it points to what looks like hi-poly head stuff, but this time on my PC as opposed to any partic NPC

 

And yes, my Whip & Chain Inn inmates may well be running free when out of sight, so I'll have a look at those bat files too to see if I need those to cut down the log spam

 

Thanks again

 

DQW

[shillk]

7 hours ago, zarantha said:

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ZAZ items use ZAZ. The two don't mix and work alongside each other because they don't have overlapping calls. 

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I do think you're mixing up a problem that can manifest with bound animations as a conflict between DD/DCL and ZAZ.

It's good practice, and yes it's a possibility that I might have mistaken one conflict with another, but what I observed suggests otherwise, there got to be sth overlapping even though in theory, as you suggested, it shouldn't. 

I'll describe the case in more detail.

1) in my debug profile I activated the minimum dependency tree for activating zaz animation pack, DD and a few other utility mod needed for the test. do the casual FNIS update, bodySlide rebuild, etc.

2) started a new game with Alternate Start, wait for the casual mod initialization, quick save, quick load, spawn zaz item (eg. zbf wrist dull) from ZaZAnimationPack.esm via AddItemMenu, confirms that the animation hold indefinitely (3 min +)

3) spawn some DD items from Devious Devices - Assets.esm and Devious Devices - Integration.esm, confirmed that these items also works as intended.

 

4) exit game, activates DCL , then do the casual FNIS update and BodySlide

5) started a new game with Alternate Start, wait for the casual mod initialization, quick save, quick load, spawn zaz item (eg. zbf wrist dull) from ZaZAnimationPack.esm via AddItemMenu, confirms that the animation only hold some 5-15 sec before gotten cancelled automatically.

6) spawn some DD items, confirms that they works as intended.

 

7) drag zaz to the bottom of the list, as well as the esm priority in the "Plugins" tab(I'm using MO2), rebuild FNIS, no change, zaz item animation is still broken.

8 ) try different version of zaz, rebuild FNIS, no change, zaz item animation is still broken.

9) try different version of DD, rebuiild FNIS, no change, zaz item animation is still broken.

 

10) disables DCL, rebuiild FNIS, start new game, zaz item is working correctly.

11) keep DCL disabled, add the whole consortium of mods from my regular profile (SUM, PrisonOverhaul, DeviousLore, DA, dozens of outfit mods, etc.), rebuild FNIS and bodySlide,

new game, S/L, confirms that zaz items is working correctly.

 

12) activates DCL, rebuild FNIS and bodySlide. new game, S/L, confirms that zaz animation only hold some 5-15 sec before gotten cancelled automatically. DD items still work as intended, as ever.

[Zaflis]

4 hours ago, shillk said:

hold some 5-15 sec before gotten cancelled automatically

What you are probably referring to is Cursed Loot's events tickrate. Test also with Cursed Loot enabled but go in its MCM debug tab and disable the events. Could DCL be enforcing some animation state update?

[Herowynne]

5 hours ago, shillk said:

5) started a new game with Alternate Start, wait for the casual mod initialization, quick save, quick load, spawn zaz item (eg. zbf wrist dull) from ZaZAnimationPack.esm via AddItemMenu, confirms that the animation only hold some 5-15 sec before gotten cancelled automatically.

 

I just wanted to add a counterexample. I use DD, DCL, and ZAP 8+ together and I do not see this issue.

 

I spawned in a bunch of DD items and zbf Wrist Dull in the Alternate Start cell:

 

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My character maintains the arms-bound position indefinitely:

 

Spoiler

 

[shillk]

7 hours ago, Herowynne said:

 

I just wanted to add a counterexample. I use DD, DCL, and ZAP 8+ together and I do not see this issue.

 

I spawned in a bunch of DD items and zbf Wrist Dull in the Alternate Start cell

interesting. can you post the mods list? 

 

this is my list:

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#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0001","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0002","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0003","+","Creation Club: ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode"
"0004","+","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE037-Curios"
"0005","+","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS"
"0006","+","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE001-Fish"
"0008","+","High Poly Head SE"
"0011","+","Expressive Facegen Morphs SE"
"0012","+","EFM SE - Racemenu plugin"
"0013","+","KS Hairdos SSE"
"0014","+","KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)"
"0015","+","KS Wigs SMP"
"0016","+","The Eyes of Beauty SSE"
"0017","+","Diamond Textures CBBE v2 based on FSC v11 by HHaleyy"
"0018","+","Female Makeup Suite - Face - 4K"
"0019","+","Koralina's Eyebrows for High Poly Head"
"0020","+","Tifa Lockhart face preset high poly"
"0022","+","Cabbage - A Cabbage Mod"
"0023","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch"
"0024","+","Complete Alchemy and Cooking Overhaul-19924-2-1-1-1672086428"
"0025","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0027","+","[AE]powerofthree's Tweaks"
"0028","+","[AE]powerofthree's Tweaks INI"
"0029","+","[AE]skse 2.2.3 data only"
"0030","+","[AE]Address Library for SKSE Plugins"
"0031","+","RaceMenu"
"0032","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0033","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-"
"0034","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE- AE-OC"
"0036","+","CBBE 3BA (3BBB)-30174-2-47-1676473395"
"0037","+","CBBE Presets Compendium"
"0038","+","Base Object Swapper"
"0039","+","FNIS Behavior SE 7_6"
"0040","+","FNIS creature pack"
"0041","+","HDT-SMP (Skinned Mesh Physics)"
"0043","+","Faster HDT-SMP"
"0044","+","CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR"
"0045","+","JS Common Cages SE"
"0046","+","[AE]Mfg Fix"
"0047","+","[AE]Mfg Fix config"
"0048","+","PapyrusUtil AE v44(rumored to be already in sexLab framework)"
"0049","+","JContainers SE-16495-4-2-3-1665168582"
"0051","+","Moveable Chain"
"0052","+","UIExtensions"
"0053","+","SkyUI 5.2"
"0054","+","SexLabFrameworkAE_v1.65"
"0055","+","SexLab Framework PPLUS - 1.8.1 - LATEST"
"0056","+","SexLab Framework PPLUS - PATCH TO V1.8.1.1"
"0057","+","SexLabArousedSSELoose-29"
"0064","+","ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SE2023"
"0065","+","zaz_Furniture_Alignment_Helper_V4"
"0066","+","Zaz8-cuffs-ctd-fix"
"0071","+","Devious Devices [SE][AE][VR] 5.2"
"0072","+","Devious Devices SE patch 2023.2.26"
"0073","+","DD bodyslide patch for DD 5.2"
"0074","+","DD5.2 - Native remove"
"0075","+","Devious Devices 5.2 SLIF patch"
"0076","+","DDHOTFIX"
"0084","+","Deviously Cursed Loot"
"0085","+","Alternate Start - Live Another Life - SSE"
"0087","+","More Devious Starts"
"0101","+","ConsoleUtilSSE"
"0117","+","SexLab Animation Loader(3rd party mod)"
"0173","+","AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer"
"0174","+","AddItemMenu - NG"
"0175","+","Skyrim Always Active - Keep Skyrim running in the background"
"0176","+","CrashLogger-59818-1-6-0-1670747360"
"0177","+","Unlimited Fast Travel"
"0195","+","FNIS_output[manual]"
 

 

and

 

 

 

  

8 hours ago, Zaflis said:

What you are probably referring to is Cursed Loot's events tickrate. Test also with Cursed Loot enabled but go in its MCM debug tab and disable the events. Could DCL be enforcing some animation state update?

unequipped item, disabled event in MCM, S/L, equip, but that didn't work.

Edited March 13, 2023 by shillk

[DonQuiWho]

On 3/12/2023 at 10:38 PM, Herowynne said:

 

I just wanted to add a counterexample. I use DD, DCL, and ZAP 8+ together and I do not see this issue.

 

I spawned in a bunch of DD items and zbf Wrist Dull in the Alternate Start cell:

 

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My character maintains the arms-bound position indefinitely:

 

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@Herowynne

 

OOIC, which restraint is holding the arms like that?  Is it from DD, or ZaP8+

 

And if it's from ZAP8+, is it one of the restraints that is Craftable at the forge using the @DocClox  mod Zaz_Craft_2.0 2016 doc clox version?  And why does it maintain the held position when it doesn't show the little lightning symbol in the inventory?

 

I don't ever remember seeing that animation and I'm now wondering why ... ?

 

(BTW, Why do you carry your toothpaste with you?  ie where does your 'Ring of Confidence' come from/get into the game?   ?)

 

DQW

 

EDIT

 

I found 'zbf Wrist Dull' in ZaZ Animation Pack and pulled it up with Additemmenu.  I also checked that it is the same item that can be crafted at the forge

 

Here's what I see when using it, with the following Zaz mods, in this order, in MO2

 

ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3

ZAZ 8+ CBBE HDT REV3 Resource Patch v1

 

When Item is newly worn prior to using forge it applies the animation wrist bound behind

Then, after using the forge whilst still wearing the item, the wrist bound behind animation breaks, is gone after using the forge,

It then stays broken until the item is removed and 'reworn'   

 

I can replicate that with other intervening animations, eg using mortar & pastle, holding torch etc

 

Also I don't get the same bound animation you and @shillk seem to have, and if your animation definitely reapplies itself, mine doesn't, and I'd really like to know where it's from  LOL

 

(BTW, I have DCL 9.0 SSE installed and I have never seen the break/reset/break again sequence shown in @shillk 's video either)

 

Hope this helps somehow

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by DonQuiWho

[shillk]

On 3/14/2023 at 8:24 AM, DonQuiWho said:

 

Also I don't get the same bound animation you and @shillk seem to have, and if your animation definitely reapplies itself, mine doesn't, and I'd really like to know where it's from  LOL

 

(BTW, I have DCL 9.0 SSE installed and I have never seen the break/reset/break again sequence shown in @shillk 's video either)

 

 

the animation in your screenshot is found in Zaz7 when wearing this item. I have this same animation when downgraded to zaz7

this pseudo-japanese style animation is found in 

ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3 (ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3.7z), CRC32:1d676fa6

and the latest version: ZAZ 8.0+ CBBE HDT 2023 (ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SE2023.7z), CRC32:77d76e50

 

the gif I uploaded is in auto-replay, so it's not break/reset/break circle. it just breaks, and stay broken until unequipped then re-equipped. and I didn't use any furniture or torch, merely standing there in the starting cell provided by Alternate Start - Live Another Life - SSE

Edited March 16, 2023 by shillk

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, shillk said:

 

the animation in your screenshot is found in Zaz7 when wearing this item. I have this same animation when downgraded to zaz7

this pseudo-japanese style animation is found in 

ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3 (ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3.7z), CRC32:1d676fa6

and the latest version: ZAZ 8.0+ CBBE HDT 2023 (ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SE2023.7z), CRC32:77d76e50

 

the gif I uploaded is in auto-replay, so it's not break/reset/break circle. it just breaks, and stay broken until unequipped then re-equipped. and I didn't use any furniture or torch, merely standing there in the starting cell provided by Alternate Start - Live Another Life - SSE

 

Thanks for that

 

I clearly need to update ZaZ!

 

As for the breaking animation, I thought all ZaZ animations did that, all of the time, anyway .... LOL  (The DD ones don't, especially if you use @Kharos mod that supports NPCs, ie

 

       Better NPC Support for Devious Devices 0.7 beta 1 SE

 

(not sure if that's on the file page or in the most recent posts in the Support thread)

 

DQW

 

 

 

[xaina222]

After updating DD to 5.2, if I get near (within 2m) of the Bound girl NPC in Vilemyr Inn, the game FPS would dropped to 5

Revert DD back to 5.1 would fix that. 

Any idea why ?

[zarantha]

7 hours ago, xaina222 said:

After updating DD to 5.2, if I get near (within 2m) of the Bound girl NPC in Vilemyr Inn, the game FPS would dropped to 5

Revert DD back to 5.1 would fix that. 

Any idea why ?

 

SMP is probably a good guess. Try building the no HDT version of chains in bodyslide.

And/or make sure you're using the latest version of FSMP.

[xaina222]

49 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

SMP is probably a good guess. Try building the no HDT version of chains in bodyslide.

And/or make sure you're using the latest version of FSMP.

Thanks, I updated FSMP and the problem seems to be gone 

[lldudesoe]

Self bondage still activating despite being disabled in the MCM. Did I miss something? I hate this event.

[zarantha]

16 hours ago, lldudesoe said:

Self bondage still activating despite being disabled in the MCM. Did I miss something? I hate this event.

 

Try disabling the gas trap event or something like that in events. There might be a few other things too, but not that i recall off the top of my head.

[lldudesoe]

12 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

Try disabling the gas trap event or something like that in events. There might be a few other things too, but not that i recall off the top of my head.

Yeah that was it. I was grabbing flowers as I ran like I've done 1000 times before and not even thinking about it, so I didn't realize I triggered a trap. I just disabled all events, because I really just want this mod because it was recommended for Devious Followers. It sounds hot on paper but every time it triggers I find it more obnoxious than anything. I'm NOT KNOCKING THE MOD, by the way, it's just not for me personally.

 

On a related note, now I've got a broken shopping quest cluttering up my journal. Does anyone know if there's an easy fix to remove it? If not, no big deal, my journals always get super full either way.

[nomkaz]

1 hour ago, lldudesoe said:

Yeah that was it. I was grabbing flowers as I ran like I've done 1000 times before and not even thinking about it, so I didn't realize I triggered a trap. I just disabled all events, because I really just want this mod because it was recommended for Devious Followers. It sounds hot on paper but every time it triggers I find it more obnoxious than anything. I'm NOT KNOCKING THE MOD, by the way, it's just not for me personally.

 

On a related note, now I've got a broken shopping quest cluttering up my journal. Does anyone know if there's an easy fix to remove it? If not, no big deal, my journals always get super full either way.

Make a new hard save and clean it with ReSaver mod on Nexus. I find this mod to be extremely handy when quests get broken like that; Hide Those Futile Quests. 

[Elsidia]

4 hours ago, Pfffschweinchen said:

C how can i fix that?

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/33986-deviously-cursed-loot-le-90-2021-03-09/?do=findComment&comment=3843504

 

[palracz]

Hello everybody

 

I have a recurring problem, sometimes when I load a save, you know continue game, it seems DCL has stopped (in the MCM menu Debug Section it still running....but no) no more massage in the left upper corner when I change clothes, devices, arousal level... nothing no more DCL outcome. When it happened I clean with ReSaver and let it re-initialize itself like a update procedure (of course it is reset every running quest). Re load my saved setting and everything is fine again. Sooo.... there is easiest way for check DCL status or initialize again without quest reset?

I noticed that when DCL stopped and I have to clean it, in the ReSaver I see many more recorded scripts than when it was still working. Could this mean something?

Edited March 19, 2023 by palracz

[zarantha]

22 minutes ago, palracz said:

Hello everybody

 

I have a recurring problem, sometimes when I load a save, you know continue game, it seems DCL has stopped (in the MCM menu Debug Section it still running....but no) no more massage in the left upper corner when I change clothes, devices, arousal level... nothing no more DCL outcome. When it happened I clean with ReSaver and let it re-initialize itself like a update procedure (of course it is reset every running quest). Re load my saved setting and everything is fine again. Sooo.... there is easiest way for check DCL status or initialize again without quest reset?

I noticed that when DCL stopped and I have to clean it, in the ReSaver I see many more recorded scripts than when it was still working. Could this mean something?

 

Start a new game with DCL and it's requirements only. Slowly add your mods one at a time until you find the conflict.

If you have easy wheelmenu 2 or something similar, it is known to break DCL's scripts. So also check known issues on the troubleshooting post.

[palracz]

29 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

Start a new game with DCL and it's requirements only. Slowly add your mods one at a time until you find the conflict.

If you have easy wheelmenu 2 or something similar, it is known to break DCL's scripts. So also check known issues on the troubleshooting post.

Thank u, I like u because u r soooo helpful, activ and it seem u r a professional modder.... So before this question I tried several times check troubleshooting post and possibility conflict mods, I banished everything no matter how much I loved it. And sometimes it's working long time (mostly) and can run several day before "crashed"

Start a new game is a good start... but I play with the Skyrim more than 2400 hour and I'm still on level two. I started thousand times and settings all again and again.... I want... would like to something different. And play first same quests too many times, I can run through Bleak Falls Barrow with closed eyes.  

Can u/Would you check my load order? Maybe you can see something that is hidden from me. Maybe some of my standard mods from nexus. I'm still using SKSE 2.2.2

Loadorder.txt

Edited March 19, 2023 by palracz

[zarantha]

4 minutes ago, palracz said:

Thank u, I like u because u r soooo helpful, activ and it seem u r a professional modder.... So before this question I tried several times check troubleshooting post and possibility conflict mods, I banished everything no matter how much I loved it. And sometimes it's working long time (mostly) and can run several day before "crashed"

Start a new game is a good start... but I play with the Skyrim more than 2400 hour and I'm still on level two. I started thousand times and settings all again and again.... I want... would like to something different. And play first same quests too many times, I can run through Bleak Falls Barrow with closed eyes.  

Can u/Would you check my load order? Maybe you can see something that is hidden from me. Maybe some of my standard mods from nexus.

 

The only ones i know of that conflict are the ones in the troubleshooting post. It could simply be you've got too many mods for what your pc can handle and you have stack dumps that eventually break the mod over time. If you want to post it sure, but I often don't know about a lot of things other people use.

And yes, I know about restarting. I frequently have to restart myself as i run into problems or modify my load order. I'm at over 3k hours myself and had to start over again today.  It is simply something that happens when you heavily mod a list. If you don't like having to do the maintenance needed to get it working, then I'd recommend cutting out most mods and going bare bones, or use a wabbajack list. ?‍♀️

[palracz]

3 minutes ago, zarantha said:

...or use a wabbajack list

what? I heard about it, but could it be help?

[palracz]

10 minutes ago, zarantha said:

cutting out most mods and going bare bones,

Don't get me wrong, I like modding but it would be great to finally reach level 10. Sooo back to the beginning, eliminate every nexus mods (of course NOT essential like FNIS SKSE Papyrus and so on) and how about Loverslab mods? Is there any extended list about DCL compatible mods? It will be a long ride.....again