Sexlab Survival

[Monoman1]

12 minutes ago, ck2modfan said:

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Doesn't sound familiar to me. Where does this message appear?

[ck2modfan]

1 minute ago, Monoman1 said:

Doesn't sound familiar to me. Where does this message appear?

Every time leaving a city as paying the toll. 

[EagleFive]

36 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea maybe. But first I would like to overhaul the city toll evasion AI. It's too difficult to avoid getting caught at the moment that makes it not worth the risk. And I want people take the risk

Town (enforcer) evasion AI is a lot.... dumber and still, somehow, it's a lot more fun than city evasion. 

I think maybe the problem there is there is just so many guards in the cities. I turned down the distance, but I think that effects the enforcers also.  The percentage chance to notice may work for the guards. Meaning that when they spot you, there is a 1%, 5%, 10% chance they notice it's you (hopefully modifiable in MCM). Though my random timer kind of sort of does the same thing: lets you take the risk with varying chances of being caught, depending on how long you stay out.

 

I guess one thing I have to mention, is that my Devious Followers settings are financially crushing. You have to save up some gold before taking a follower, or you're in trouble. Or take some deals to limit the amount of debt you generate (also they have 3 day min contract). So the toll paid to get out of town is literally the least of your worries. It's the cost of having a follower to be allowed to pay the toll that makes sneaking out an attractive alternative, at least the way I have it set. If you have Devious Followers set to an affordable limit (or don't have it at all) then yeah, avoiding tolls is kind of pointless, unless you make it something absurd like 1K+.

[JayJay7777]

Can any one help me get the simply knock feature to work? on previous versions the bondage dialogue works but now it seems that simply knock just overrides this mod every time and I've run out of ideas of how to fix this.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, ck2modfan said:

Every time leaving a city as paying the toll. 

Hunh. That's a debug messagebox. It's not supposed to appear ever....

Are tolls working for you? Have you got some crazy city overhaul installed (please don't say open cities)

/Raises wet trout ready to slap.

40 minutes ago, EagleFive said:

avoiding tolls is kind of pointless, unless you make it something absurd like 1K+.

It's not so much about avoiding the cost of the toll as it is about licences. If you don't have any licences but you found some sweet loot to sell then you might be tempted to try and sneak in, sell the stuff and sneak out again. 

7 minutes ago, JayJay7777 said:

Can any one help me get the simply knock feature to work? on previous versions the bondage dialogue works but now it seems that simply knock just overrides this mod every time and I've run out of ideas of how to fix this.

Is this SE?

Is SLS loaded after simply knock?

[JayJay7777]

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Is this SE?

Is SLS loaded after simply knock?

Not SE.

ATM SLS isn't after simply knock, but I have been changing orders and stuff trying to fix this and it hasn't worked either way

[ck2modfan]

16 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Hunh. That's a debug messagebox. It's not supposed to appear ever....

Are tolls working for you? Have you got some crazy city overhaul installed (please don't say open cities)

/Raises wet trout ready to slap.

 

Tolls work just fine. Absolutely no city overhaul ?

[valcon767]

7 hours ago, shiagwen said:

in the rape tatoo mod there are the esp, some scripts and that rtatssettingstemplate jsonfile. there are no textures. so i have to install all the texture mods extra ? any list with links of them ?`in the settings list are more then 20 different tatmods listed. 

those textures which are not in the list i have to write them into that list, right ? buit if i dont want them disappear after a week (168hours)  i dont write them on the list,. for those i want them to be done by branding of doom, probably same story with settings list in documents ?

 

the textures come for the tattoo packs (check the Slave Tats main page for a list of tattoo packs), there are a lot more than 20 tattoo packs available (with links)

on Slave Tats main page.

 

as for the ones not in the list you need to either install the tattoo packs they come from, exclude them, or redo the Rape Tats configuration file (can be done

by erasing the default configuration file then going in game to Rape Tats MCM and configuring your tattoos from there).  (IIRC) for tattoos to be permanent

you would need to exclude them from Rape Tats and then have some other mod apply them (if you want most to be temporary).  i could be misremembering

this so please check the Rape Tats thread.

 

[audhol]

37 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

It's not so much about avoiding the cost of the toll as it is about licences. If you don't have any licences but you found some sweet loot to sell then you might be tempted to try and sneak in, sell the stuff and sneak out again.

I think you've got this spot on at the moment, Ive been playing around with this mechanic a bit at riverwood and if your careful you can avoid the enforcers by watching their movement, sneak in to the trader to see you fence Lucan, pay him the 50 septims to turn a blind eye and flog your gear off to him. You gotta be lucky when you go out not to be caught again but it works well for me. Cities are a no go though, I don't use the sewers mod. Now going to test how BIS works, I just bought 5 purple soaps with the proceeds of my dodgy gear!

[Monoman1]

52 minutes ago, JayJay7777 said:

Not SE.

ATM SLS isn't after simply knock, but I have been changing orders and stuff trying to fix this and it hasn't worked either way

You need to check that this isn't something that's been baked into your save by bad load order. 

Do you use LOOT? Load SLS after simply knock at least. Start a new game and check again. If it works then the issue is baked into your game and you'll have to new game/clean save. 

49 minutes ago, ck2modfan said:

Tolls work just fine. Absolutely no city overhaul ?

Hmmm. I dunno then but something fishy is going on there. It's something to do with toll evasion. Either fired from the toll gate loading or player location change event. Basically the mod could not determine if you are in/near whiterun/markarth/riften/solitude/windhelm.

You say it's after paying the toll? After leaving the city and the outside is loaded. Then you get the message? If so, any 'outside city overhauls'? Or do you somehow spawn far away from the gate? Or perhaps this is a fast travel issue. Are you fast traveling immediately after paying the toll? (I haven't used fast travel in years. Much prefer the game without it. Much more interesting when you set out to do x but end up doing y instead IMO)

If you are fast travelling after paying the toll, you should probably leave via the gate first. 

[ck2modfan]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmmm. I dunno then but something fishy is going on there. It's something to do with toll evasion. Either fired from the toll gate loading or player location change event. Basically the mod could not determine if you are in/near whiterun/markarth/riften/solitude/windhelm.

You say it's after paying the toll? After leaving the city and the outside is loaded. Then you get the message? If so, any 'outside city overhauls'? Or do you somehow spawn far away from the gate? Or perhaps this is a fast travel issue. Are you fast traveling immediately after paying the toll? (I haven't used fast travel in years. Much prefer the game without it. Much more interesting when you set out to do x but end up doing y instead IMO)

If you are fast travelling after paying the toll, you should probably leave via the gate first. 

I have toll evasion turned off. 

 

It happens in the city, immediately as I am paying the toll. Fast travel is off! The tolls must be paid. No outside city overhauls. Yeah, fast travel takes away from game. I have several mods that add dynamic enemy spawns. Walking around can be dangerous.

 

EDIT: Tried turning on toll evasion. Same result. Whiterun is main city used.

[shiagwen]

1 hour ago, valcon767 said:

the textures come for the tattoo packs (check the Slave Tats main page for a list of tattoo packs), there are a lot more than 20 tattoo packs available (with links)

on Slave Tats main page.

 

as for the ones not in the list you need to either install the tattoo packs they come from, exclude them, or redo the Rape Tats configuration file (can be done

by erasing the default configuration file then going in game to Rape Tats MCM and configuring your tattoos from there).  (IIRC) for tattoos to be permanent

you would need to exclude them from Rape Tats and then have some other mod apply them (if you want most to be temporary).  i could be misremembering

this so please check the Rape Tats thread.

 

thanks. finally i understood the story.

[repent-harlequin]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Use the mod 'female facial animations' instead. Tongue heights are kind of set around the expressions in that mod and I find it's open mouth expression to be er... suitable for large equipment. Better blowjobs just looks wrong to me personally. 

This solved the double wide issue, but the tongues are lining up below the lower lip.
I did confirm that Cursed Loot is causing the  mouth closing issue, but I can't get the scripts to recompile.
Might finally be time to pull that out of my load order as Devious Followers gives me plenty of devices.

[Lupine00]

5 hours ago, audhol said:

You gotta be lucky when you go out not to be caught again but it works well for me.

That's the problem generally. And it's the same on entering cities. You're going in blind. The outcome is outside your control, and is effectively random.

 

It's almost impossible to be in a city and not be spotted, as even by default there are many guards.

If you can't stack on clothing item cover, that's another problem. That mechanic is ... a bit sketchy. It kind of needs its own keyword for cover items, which maybe SLS has but SLAX doesn't?

 

I've even had some unfair scenarios with enforcers in Riverwood, where they would sprint for miles to accost me when I was nowhere near, despite distances turned down.

Not sure about that, or how they are scanning, but probably a lag issue.

 

Skyrim towns and cities are very small. It creates an immersion problem that you can mostly ignore, but SLS can make it obvious sometimes.

There is always a guard or a toll collector close by.

 

Selling at a blacksmith, get interrupted by guards.

Selling at a blacksmith in a different city, get interrupted by guards.

Guards patrol near blacksmiths everywhere, because they work outside.

 

So you have to sell in shops. Unless you have some crazy stealth build, you will be seen either entering, or leaving, or both, because all those shops have guards really close by.

 

 

I don't think this can be fixed without altering how guards patrol. Even then, I'm not sure I really want to play Metal Gear Solid to sell illegally. In that case, I just won't sell illegally.

 

I think this needs more thought. Take a step back and review the goals, are they going to increase player fun and offer genuine choices?

[audhol]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I think this needs more thought. Take a step back and review the goals, are they going to increase player fun and offer genuine choices?

Perhaps the simplest solution might be an offer for the enforcers to look the other way in exchange for more bruised knees?

[Monoman1]

9 hours ago, deadlydawn said:

but the tongues are lining up below the lower lip.

Damn. I'm not a modeler but I'd hoped there'd be a one size fits all. Any character I've tried the tongues have 'fitted'. Though I didn't try odd races like elves. In the original download there are tongues at different heights but they were all designed around a closed mouth so they were too high. It is pretty easy to adjust the height of the mesh in nifskope but a little time consuming. Just transform it and apply transform. 

9 hours ago, deadlydawn said:

but I can't get the scripts to recompile.

Which script?

 

[Monoman1]

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

The outcome is outside your control, and is effectively random.

I thought you like random?

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

It's almost impossible to be in a city and not be spotted, as even by default there are many guards.

Other solution is just to add enforcers on set patrol routes same as towns. But my cities need less Npcs not more. 

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

That mechanic is ... a bit sketchy. It kind of needs its own keyword for cover items, which maybe SLS has but SLAX doesn't?

Nope there's no keyword. Just checks the slot is not empty I think. Maybe wearing slooty/bikini item in the body slot does not help though. I can't remember exactly. 

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

but probably a lag issue.

Yea probably. Detection is based on conditions on a spell added to enforcers so depending on the load it can be sluggish. Spell conditions aren't usually the most rapid even under light load but they are lighter performance wise than doing extension script checking. I think the end effect is... adequate for the job.  

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Guards patrol near blacksmiths everywhere, because they work outside.

True enough. Another problem with guards is they're kind of squishy. One requiem + DCO dragon (10000Hp, 600 armor, + special attacks monstrosity) is enough to wipe out an entire city of guards. That's not to talk about the carnage if DCO decides to spawn 3 dragons. Then you've got free reign really... assuming you can kill the dragon(s). 

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

are they going to increase player fun and offer genuine choices?

I dunno. I find avoiding the enforcers in towns to be fun. Adds a nice bit of tension around town where in vanilla it's a safe zone. Aside from mods deciding to insta-rape you. I've more or less gotten rid of those mod though. 

 

BTW sneaking does absolutely nothing for avoision (town or city). I think it would increase your chances of being caught if you were crawling around suspiciously. Acting casual is the name of the game. Perhaps there's a case for 'forced walking' in this scenario but I still have huge reservations about being forced to walk around town at speedmult 50. Now that's not fun. 

[Monoman1]

12 hours ago, ck2modfan said:

EDIT: Tried turning on toll evasion. Same result. Whiterun is main city used.

I've no idea then. Maybe try a new game and see if it's the same. 

[Lupine00]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I thought you like random?

That's a simplistic conclusion, and nothing is ever quite so simple.

 

I don't like an excess of certainty, which is a different thing.

Too much certainty about outcomes turns NPCs, towns, quests, and dungeons into vending machines.

 

Being refused a license once in a while means it's not just a mechanical process of buying a new license in the most efficient way.

 

 

Not letting stealthy characters have an advantage in sneaking and avoiding guards seems to defeat one of the pleasures of the build.

You should get something in return for all the boring waiting you do for things to stop looking for you, or to walk further away, or look the right direction.

 

I'm not a fun of stealth in Skyrim for the reasons above. It's mainly about patience, and I have little of it, and don't really have the luxury of time to waste cultivating it either.

 

 

My current solution to various mechanics in SLS that are unsatisfactory for me is simply to pretend they work how I want and behave accordingly. This limits the chance to play against those mechanics, and I have to follow consistent rules, which is sometimes boring due to points raised at the top of this post.

 

 

 

 

 

[donttouchmethere]

Change your gender in cities, MM1 is blind on that eye ?

 

(never tried it myself, would that even work? ?)

[repent-harlequin]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Which script?

Cursed Loot's dcur_clocktickScript.
The only references to expression anywhere in DCL are in some device specific scripts (gags), and the clocktick script for setting the shame effect.
I have shame disabled, but I'm still suspicious of it especially as it is running on a timer like the clearing of the expression/open mouth seems to be.

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, deadlydawn said:

Cursed Loot's dcur_clocktickScript.

Try this please: dcur_clocktickScript.pex

For cursed loot 8.5. Note that SLIF has an overwrite patch for this file. (If you use SLIF)

 

Adds check !IsMouthOpen() at SetExpression And ClearExpression

[donttouchmethere]

39 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

For cursed loot 8.5. Note that SLIF has an overwrite patch for this file. (If you use SLIF)

Do you overwrite newest DCL (8.5) with the old SILF patch?

Is that a good idea? ?

[Monoman1]

15 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Do you overwrite newest DCL (8.5) with the old SILF patch?

Is that a good idea? ?

I don't know what the exact intention of the SLIF patch is. It's probably for DCLs cum inflation? What other body scaling is there in DCL?

Really dcl should have built-in compatibility itself at this stage. Patches are messy. Maybe it does. But there's no mention of 'slif' in that script at least. 

 

This is just to check if it stops DCL closing your PCs mouth. If you don't use DCLs body scaling then it should be fine to use....?

[Xiaron]

8 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I've no idea then. Maybe try a new game and see if it's the same. 

I have the same location not known pop up issue actually, but it's been happening since I installed the mod so I didn't realize it was a bug rather then just odd. When I go to pay the toll either cash or 'other' I get the little window pop up. I don't have any city overhauls, and it happens in every gated city. Cities are marked as themselves (ie. My location: Whiterun) but 'location is in' field is unknown. Curfew is on, toll evasion is off. Licenses are also off. I do not use Slaverun.