Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[valcon767]

9 hours ago, Krazyone said:

Feature Requests...

 

1. Auto-Pay Option... Followers automatically take their money from you. With notification of them taking it, less willpower = more harsh messages.

could be a nice optional feature for some players

2. Lower daily debt slider... Daily debt only goes down to 50 gold per day. I want to have this mod installed permanently, with the followers taking advantages of your bad luck.

as i am normally trying to find more gold sinks in game (i finally got me a nice combo, but it needs this mod), i never had trouble with this, but some others may

so it could be useful for those who already have their gold sinks working right.

3. My fair share speech used only once... At present, every-time your follower is paid fully, they revert to my fair share hun dialogue. As well as, I hope you don't mess me around dialogue repeating as well.

i agree that seeing the "my fair share" dialogue every time it updates can be a bit much for some people (imho 1 a day would be plenty for this line), and as for

the "i hope you don't mess me around" dialogue it triggers when the quest starts tracking your debt etc.  not sure you could change that to 1 time per follower only

without possibly causing the quest to not work at all (the quest i am talking about here tracks your debt to follower and the line triggers when it starts).

 

I love the mod, but I would also like to reduce the daily costs of the follower a bit. So I could run it as a permanent mod, not just a try it and see mod... 

 

 

 

Possible additional features...

 

1. Loan you money system... You want to buy Breezehome, but don't want to wait. Found a once in a lifetime piece of armour or weaponry... Ask your follower for a loan, she's loaded with your cash anyway.

oh yeah.... i do like this idea, but i do see a possible problem...loan would have to be capped at a lower amount than enslavement threshold (that way you could

still end up enslaved)

 

2. Loan debt payment system...

 

1. Whore you out... Each morning you have sex with a few customers, the lower your willpower. The sicker the perversions, animals, monsters, Willpower 0 = Giant sex ( that's gotta hurt... ). Get ready for a lot of pregnancies, and children running around... 

this could work with minor changes

every day (to 3 configurable in MCM??) lowers your willpower by 1

how much of the money you earn that is applied to you debt would be based on you current willpower, the lower you willpower means less of the money

earned gets actually applied to the loan (ie if you earn gold when whored out at 10 willpower say 50% goes to the actual debt, but at 0 willpower

only 5% of the gold earned goes to the actual debt, with a minimum of 5% to the debt)  of course after your follower is done "whoring you out" for that day

you are free to go do other stuff  to try to earn the money to pay that debt, this is dependent on your day starting with the follower "whoring you out" and

with that debt you cannot say no to it. it would need to be paused when in dungeons though. and it could also lead to enslavement if you take too long

paying off the debt (configurable in MCM)

  

Just a couple of additional ideas...

 

just my personal thoughts on those ideas

 

[Krazyone]

1 hour ago, valcon767 said:

just my personal thoughts on those ideas

 

Possible additional features...

 

1. Loan you money system... You want to buy Breezehome, but don't want to wait. Found a once in a lifetime piece of armour or weaponry... Ask your follower for a loan, she's loaded with your cash anyway.

oh yeah.... i do like this idea, but i do see a possible problem...loan would have to be capped at a lower amount than enslavement threshold (that way you could

still end up enslaved)

 

Give the loan a 14 day grace period, you can pay off your enslavement with it if you want, buy Breezehome. But after 14 days, you've either got to hand over the loaned money, or pay a serious price.

 

I'm thinking of a 5 client a day whore, then you can do whatever you want. Your hands are bound in your mitts until you do the deeds, then you can live your life for 24 hours.

 

Be nice if you could tie it in to a really slutty outfit that you are forced to wear, that customers can easily remove and signifies that you are a giant whore... 

 

2. Loan debt payment system...

 

1. Whore you out... Each morning you have sex with a few customers, the lower your willpower. The sicker the perversions, animals, monsters, Willpower 0 = Giant sex ( that's gotta hurt... ). Get ready for a lot of pregnancies, and children running around... 

this could work with minor changes

every day (to 3 configurable in MCM??) lowers your willpower by 1

how much of the money you earn that is applied to you debt would be based on you current willpower, the lower you willpower means less of the money

earned gets actually applied to the loan (ie if you earn gold when whored out at 10 willpower say 50% goes to the actual debt, but at 0 willpower

only 5% of the gold earned goes to the actual debt, with a minimum of 5% to the debt)  of course after your follower is done "whoring you out" for that day

you are free to go do other stuff  to try to earn the money to pay that debt, this is dependent on your day starting with the follower "whoring you out" and

with that debt you cannot say no to it. it would need to be paused when in dungeons though. and it could also lead to enslavement if you take too long

paying off the debt (configurable in MCM)

 

I love your idea... 

 

 

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[Higurashika]

I dont get it... is there any way to make ur followers as ur slave?

 

This means

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and the follower has lives (they won't die but you'll get more debt if you don't let them recover)

they can be ur slave, but what should i do?

[valcon767]

1 hour ago, Krazyone said:

Possible additional features...

 

1. Loan you money system... You want to buy Breezehome, but don't want to wait. Found a once in a lifetime piece of armour or weaponry... Ask your follower for a loan, she's loaded with your cash anyway.

oh yeah.... i do like this idea, but i do see a possible problem...loan would have to be capped at a lower amount than enslavement threshold (that way you could

still end up enslaved)

 

Give the loan a 14 day grace period, you can pay off your enslavement with it if you want, buy Breezehome. But after 14 days, you've either got to hand over the loaned money, or pay a serious price.

 

I'm thinking of a 5 client a day whore, then you can do whatever you want. Your hands are bound in your mitts until you do the deeds, then you can live your life for 24 hours.

 

Be nice if you could tie it in to a really slutty outfit that you are forced to wear, that customers can easily remove and signifies that you are a giant whore... 

 

2. Loan debt payment system...

 

1. Whore you out... Each morning you have sex with a few customers, the lower your willpower. The sicker the perversions, animals, monsters, Willpower 0 = Giant sex ( that's gotta hurt... ). Get ready for a lot of pregnancies, and children running around... 

this could work with minor changes

every day (to 3 configurable in MCM??) lowers your willpower by 1

how much of the money you earn that is applied to you debt would be based on you current willpower, the lower you willpower means less of the money

earned gets actually applied to the loan (ie if you earn gold when whored out at 10 willpower say 50% goes to the actual debt, but at 0 willpower

only 5% of the gold earned goes to the actual debt, with a minimum of 5% to the debt)  of course after your follower is done "whoring you out" for that day

you are free to go do other stuff  to try to earn the money to pay that debt, this is dependent on your day starting with the follower "whoring you out" and

with that debt you cannot say no to it. it would need to be paused when in dungeons though. and it could also lead to enslavement if you take too long

paying off the debt (configurable in MCM)

 

I love your idea... 

 

 

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ohhh that would work nicely

now if Lozeak does decide to incorporate this we would just have to find a slutty outfit (something available in both UNP and CBBE with bodyslide

probably with and without HDT)

i'll take a look next time i am in game and see if i have anything i think will work that i know has both. (i have some slutty outfits..a lot actually, but

need to see what they look like, and then see if they have both UNP and CBBE). ideally i am hoping to find something with easy permission already

given and in clothing .. not actual armor.

 

1 hour ago, Higurashika said:

I dont get it... is there any way to make ur followers as ur slave?

 

This means

they can be ur slave, but what should i do?

 

you cannot make a follower your slave with this mod. they can make you their slave if you don't pay them in time.

 

this mod REQUIRES you to actually pay your follower (and not just a one time payment) over time, if you fail to pay they can enslave you, they can

also possibly play games with you (if you meet the requirements), most of the amounts are adjustable in the MCM.

the MCM has 3 very useful debug buttons - one to let custom follower dialogue work when in debt without pausing the mod, a pause mod button, and

a reset button for when all else fails.  if you run into a CTD issue with this mod the first thing to try is load the last save before the CTD, and try using 

the "pause mod button", this feature does work as a workaround during the Daedric quest for Clavicus Vile (the ever living dog thing - Barbaras).

 

if you want to make a follower your slave try one of the following mods - PAHE (it has a bunch of add-ons), Mia's Lair (Sexlab Sex Slaves), and possibly

Slaverun Reloaded, plus i am sure i have missed others.

 

what the "follower has lives" does is add debt instead of the follower actually dying if they are defeated in combat.

 

 

[steelmagpie]

So many great ideas poping up recently..  it is good to see this mod is inspiring us all.. Maybe if any talented people amoung us could offer some help implementing some of then as I know Lozeak has limited time to update and upgrade. Perhaps those who can help could contact him and maybe make this mod what I know he would love to see it become.

[Fredfish]

I have a quick question, is faiing to release a captive from their restraints supposed to be fatal? My PC has just under 300 health at level 23.

I managed to free one girl and managed to take her to Eorland and (after updating to the latest .esp) free her.

I have no option to just take the second girl to Eorland.

[Corsayr]

2 hours ago, Fredfish said:

I have a quick question, is faiing to release a captive from their restraints supposed to be fatal? My PC has just under 300 health at level 23.

I managed to free one girl and managed to take her to Eorland and (after updating to the latest .esp) free her.

I have no option to just take the second girl to Eorland.

This is devious followers, I think you want Sexy Bandit Captives. 

[Fredfish]

I should probably get more sleep...

[Krazyone]

19 hours ago, Higurashika said:

I dont get it... is there any way to make ur followers as ur slave?

 

This means

they can be ur slave, but what should i do?

Not in Devious Follower, as far as I know.

 

I've used a mod in the past, that will be just what you're looking for.

 

Slave Trainer...

 

- Capture women

- Enslave them

- Train them with love and fear

- Sell them to slavers, or Keep them if they're too cute to part with... 

 

[steelmagpie]

8 hours ago, Fredfish said:

I should probably get more sleep...

I know that feeling too well  haha

[MrMagoo]

On the crawling vs ZAP7 / ZAP8 issue;

 

The latest alpha of Slaverun Reloaded has switched to ZAP8 but includes a crawling animation. Perhaps you could get some ideas there for how to keep the crawling but remove ZEP / Heretical dependencies?

[Guest]

I've found a solution to the crawl and crawling animation bug that many people have been experiencing. This isn't exactly a fix, more of a solution (removing code rather than pointing it to the right direction). It solves the problem of the missing crawl animation and prevents your character from going into a T pose when the town collar is equipped. In order to do this fix, you'll need Tes 5 Edit. I use MO, so I had to install that particular mod a separate way ( There is a video titled "xEdit : TES5Edit , FO4Edit, ect... : Start to Finish : 1.0" on youtube created by a user "GamerPoets." If you skip to 6:04 on that video, he explains how to install TES V Edit for MO.) I didn't link the video directly as I was unsure of LL's policy on linking seemingly random youtube videos.

 

 

Anyways, on to the fix itself:

 

Load up the Tes 5 Edit.exe however you have installed it.

Select only the DeviousFollowers.esp

in the next menu, expand the DeviousFollowers.esp

expand the item "Object Effect." There should be only one item in that expanded selection. Click that.

Near the bottom of the window on the right side of the screen, there should be a line regarding EFID Base Effect.

The default selection for the EFID Base Effect of interest here is zbfxEffectCrawling "Crawling" [MGEF:0A00438D]

Right click the zbfxEffectCrawling text and select edit

Delete it

When you finish deleting it, TES 5 Edit should automatically fill it in with a null value. Save the changes, (I would save a backup, but that's just me)

load up the game, and the town collar should no longer have the effect of forcing a crawl animation. As such, no special idle or moving animations will play when the town collar is equipped.

 

That's my method of working around the missing animation. I played around with merging zipped files trying to get everything to work for my system, but this fix should apply even with just the basic requirements for this mod. Hope this helps somebody else!

 

Lozeak, I sincerely apologize if I seem to be stepping on your toes with this. I am a huge fan of this mod and want it to be as successful as possible, so I figured I would just try and create a brute force method of solving a problem until a better solution is found. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to more of your content!

[Shion11]

is it possible to lower resistance to 0?

[user9120975435]

Feature suggestion: after being enslaved by follower the player will be rented to patrons of inns and taverns as a whore whenever they enter such establishment.

[valcon767]

7 hours ago, user9120975435 said:

Feature suggestion: after being enslaved by follower the player will be rented to patrons of inns and taverns as a whore whenever they enter such establishment.

a nice idea providing there is an upper limit on times "whored out" (MCM adjustable??),  and it reduces debt slightly.

 

reason for limit - if my understanding is correct this is a light mod (in regards to it not stopping gameplay cold), and if that happens unlimited it would

prevent being able to enter inns or taverns.

 

[Reesewow]

26 minutes ago, valcon767 said:

a nice idea providing there is an upper limit on times "whored out" (MCM adjustable??),  and it reduces debt slightly.

 

reason for limit - if my understanding is correct this is a light mod (in regards to it not stopping gameplay cold), and if that happens unlimited it would

prevent being able to enter inns or taverns.

 

Agreed, this sounds like a good idea but I think I'd prefer it work in a similar way to the current slavery event - where the follower takes away some freedom and won't give it back until you voluntarily go to an inn to earn them some cash.  If it was a forced "right now" event it would be fun at first and then quickly become a reason to avoid inns if I was trying to get other things done in game (unless it was a really short event, like a Cursed Loot rape event).

[DonQuiWho]

Not installed this yet nor read the whole thread etc but, out of curiosity, does the mod provide for potential standard followers encountered by the player to 'forcibly' make themselves followers, ie they get added as followers with the intention of taking advantage of the player character?

 

If not, so be it, but that could be quite funny and add a variation to the general 'enslaving' stuff

 

TIA for any help offered

[Corsayr]

1 hour ago, donkeywho said:

Not installed this yet nor read the whole thread etc but, out of curiosity, does the mod provide for potential standard followers encountered by the player to 'forcibly' make themselves followers, ie they get added as followers with the intention of taking advantage of the player character?

Strangely enough, there used to be a bug were some followers would just start following you without your permission. It got fixed I think. 

 

But ultimately no, this mod is not supposed to do that. Might be an interesting idea for an "addon" mod. "Intrusive Followers for Devious Followers"  

[Higurashika]

if my follower is my husband that change something or not?

 

I set cooldown of debt 24h. Why i dialog always blocked? I pay - i speak with follower.. then i should pay again, several times in a day.. whats wrong?

[DonQuiWho]

21 hours ago, Corsayr said:

Strangely enough, there used to be a bug were some followers would just start following you without your permission. It got fixed I think. 

 

But ultimately no, this mod is not supposed to do that. Might be an interesting idea for an "addon" mod. "Intrusive Followers for Devious Followers"  

Thanks

 

I like that idea  LOL

[valcon767]

On 2/25/2018 at 1:46 PM, Higurashika said:

if my follower is my husband that change something or not?

 

I set cooldown of debt 24h. Why i dialog always blocked? I pay - i speak with follower.. then i should pay again, several times in a day.. whats wrong?

being married does not change anything (that i know of)

 

if you follower is giving you the "nice to meet you honey" line it means that the "quest" that controls followers has restarted (it does this on a idle comment).

i have had this idle fire fast enough, after payoff, to make me pay off my follower 4 times to get to a regular dialogue.

 

the mod does have 3 buttons to help with issues:

button to let custom quest (and possibly regular quest) dialogues work anyway

pause mod button (does not remove debts)

and reset mod button

 

if you want to make it so your follower does not restart the quest (debt and stuff) you could pay off follower (get the regular dialogues back), then just pause the mod.

 

[valcon767]

On 2/25/2018 at 1:46 PM, Higurashika said:

if my follower is my husband that change something or not?

 

I set cooldown of debt 24h. Why i dialog always blocked? I pay - i speak with follower.. then i should pay again, several times in a day.. whats wrong?

being married does not change anything (that i know of)

 

if you follower is giving you the "nice to meet you honey" line it means that the "quest" that controls followers has restarted (it does this on a idle comment).

i have had this idle fire fast enough, after payoff, to make me pay off my follower 4 times to get to a regular dialogue.

 

the mod does have 3 buttons to help with issues:

button to let custom quest (and possibly regular quest) dialogues work anyway

pause mod button (does not remove debts)

and reset mod button

 

if you want to make it so your follower does not restart the quest (debt and stuff) you could pay off follower (get the regular dialogues back), then just pause the mod.

 

[RetroGray]

Loving the mod! I haven't had a ton of time to play around with it yet but what I've seen so far has been a lot of fun. Thanks for the hard work.

 

On 2/20/2018 at 2:50 AM, denkou331 said:

I've found a solution to the crawl and crawling animation bug that many people have been experiencing. This isn't exactly a fix, more of a solution (removing code rather than pointing it to the right direction). It solves the problem of the missing crawl animation and prevents your character from going into a T pose when the town collar is equipped. In order to do this fix, you'll need Tes 5 Edit. I use MO, so I had to install that particular mod a separate way ( There is a video titled "xEdit : TES5Edit , FO4Edit, ect... : Start to Finish : 1.0" on youtube created by a user "GamerPoets." If you skip to 6:04 on that video, he explains how to install TES V Edit for MO.) I didn't link the video directly as I was unsure of LL's policy on linking seemingly random youtube videos.

 

 

Anyways, on to the fix itself:

 

Load up the Tes 5 Edit.exe however you have installed it.

Select only the DeviousFollowers.esp

in the next menu, expand the DeviousFollowers.esp

expand the item "Object Effect." There should be only one item in that expanded selection. Click that.

Near the bottom of the window on the right side of the screen, there should be a line regarding EFID Base Effect.

The default selection for the EFID Base Effect of interest here is zbfxEffectCrawling "Crawling" [MGEF:0A00438D]

Right click the zbfxEffectCrawling text and select edit

Delete it

When you finish deleting it, TES 5 Edit should automatically fill it in with a null value. Save the changes, (I would save a backup, but that's just me)

load up the game, and the town collar should no longer have the effect of forcing a crawl animation. As such, no special idle or moving animations will play when the town collar is equipped.

 

So I was thinking about this. Rather than cleaning the crawling effect from Devious Followers, a more long winded but possibly more satisfactory solution might be to clean Zaz Extension Pack. Overwriting or removing the changes it makes to ZaP 8.0+ and removing any references to Heretical Resources so that can be removed as a master. It's a bit of a job, especially as I don't have a lot of experience with tes5edit, but I tried it and in my limited testing it all seems to work with crawling animation intact. I can't guarantee it doesn't break something else though, especially if you have other mods hooking into ZEP.

 

Not sure what the etiquette is so far as sharing the modified .esm though, so I'll hold off on doing that.

[user9120975435]

On 24. februar 2018 at 10:52 PM, valcon767 said:

a nice idea providing there is an upper limit on times "whored out" (MCM adjustable??),  and it reduces debt slightly.

 

Of course. Endless sex would just break the game and would make further play impossible. Maximum amount of times a char can be whored out by the follower per tavern visit.

 

Also, maybe the follower could loan the character out for other things?

Like manual labor? Work in fields? Picking vegetables? Helping hunt? Act as a bait for a predator to be hunted? Help with smithing? Carry water from a well? Chop firewood? Run errands/deliveries? Basically non-combat and not-necessarily-sex work that servants/slaves would do.

 

With milk mod installed, player used by follower to produce milk (with milking cuirass) which the follower would then sell to make money (and maybe lower debt)?

[Gimlord]

Hello. I want to use this mod but have also zaz 8 plus which says that zep should be installed before zaz, but mod organizer asks to put zep after zap.
So my question is what load order should i use to get the mod working, if possible with no issues. I would clear zep with tes5edit, but have no idea how to clear conflicts between mods and even if i should do that, cause i can find the conflicts but don't know if i should remove them.