Devious Devices

[sen4mi]

2 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Version of DD, bra id or name

 

 

Iron Chastity Bra, formid xx015DE6 and xx015DE7 (and DD RC8).

 

But I have not inspected the first person model on the gold chastity bra.

 

(I routinely disable chastity bras in rogg but apparently setting their probability to zero and turning off both gold and iron chastity bras in allowed items is insufficient for the scripted event that was tied to xx29F3E2.)

 

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40 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

It was mentioned in my post) Straitjacket hands will be visible always.

I you use device hider it hide hands - at least for me

 

 

I think you mean that this is a known bug which has not yet been fixed.

 

(I think, also, rather than simply constructing a devious devices mod we should build a "devious devices construction toolkit" which uses a systematic approach and good documentation on that approach, allowing the mod to be rebuilt relatively quickly when new techniques are incorporated. (In this context, I think we need a body nif with the armbinder on it where the "visible hands" are part of the armbinder and thus not subject to normal animation.))

Edited January 1, 2023 by sen4mi

[izzyknows]

43 minutes ago, sen4mi said:

I think you mean that this is a known bug which has not yet been fixed.

It's a new bug caused by trying to allow gloves to be worn with things they shouldn't be allowed to. I mean. why would you have gloves on wearing a straight jacket or armbinder? 

But if Elsidia can pull it off.. kool. The device hider does work...

[sen4mi]

4 minutes ago, izzyknows said:

It's a new bug caused by trying to allow gloves to be worn with things they shouldn't be allowed to. I mean. why would you have gloves on wearing a straight jacket or armbinder? 

But if Elsidia can pull it off.. kool. The device hider does work...

 

Oh... I had not tried it out myself.

 

But, the wikipedia page on armbinders seems to distinguish between monogloves (where the armbinder itself is a "glove") and other mechanisms which allow wearing some other sorts of gloves.

[Elsidia]

45 minutes ago, izzyknows said:

I mean. why would you have gloves on wearing a straight jacket or armbinder? 

Why you can't wear a gloves under straitjacket?

Also this was done because of this bug or feature or just silly item

 

Situation in game: You wear a gloves. Not much restrictive problem for you. But now you are protected from any straitjacket or dress. In short you got full defense from any strict restraint device.

If you have idea how to solve this problem better as i done, will hear it.

 

[Elsidia]

11 hours ago, sen4mi said:

(1) some device (I think either a gag or a bra) prevents seeing pipboy in first person view because the first person model is messed up.

Can't confirm this bug into RC8:

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11 hours ago, sen4mi said:

(2) attempting to unlock the device without a key makes me "tired for 3 hours" but eight hours later I am still too tired to try for three hours. 

This is how it works in DD. Even if you don't have a key. Probably it can be fixed, but if it needed?

eight hour later -  how you spend those hours? if you sleep - this is DD anticheat engine - in sleep not going timer.  You can spend those hours in action and then you can try unlock second time. Or you can wait on chair - for that mechanics anticheat engine not work . I can made it to work. But not sure if players will be happy with that decision.

I just test - after waiting 3 hours on chair all works as expected.  If for you not - you have some mod or old patches conflicts.

All is tested on fresh game, installed only DD, DCW and those mod requirements.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Elsidia

[sen4mi]

On 1/1/2023 at 5:20 PM, Elsidia said:

Can't confirm this bug into RC8:

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This is how it works in DD. Even if you don't have a key. Probably it can be fixed, but if it needed?

eight hour later -  how you spend those hours? if you sleep - this is DD anticheat engine - in sleep not going timer.  You can spend those hours in action and then you can try unlock second time. Or you can wait on chair - for that mechanics anticheat engine not work . I can made it to work. But not sure if players will be happy with that decision.

I just test - after waiting 3 hours on chair all works as expected.  If for you not - you have some mod or old patches conflicts.

All is tested on fresh game, installed only DD, DCW and those mod requirements.

 

It's odd that first person view works for you when it did not work for me. I will see if I can figure anything out that might be relevant here. (It might be that this is not only the bra but also something about how DD items get equipped, for example or maybe it's a mod I have installed, or maybe this only occurs sometimes - I think I can eliminate some possibilities using experiments...)  

 

But, on survival mode, sleeping is not a cheat -- it consumes resources (scarce resources in early game), so that itself is a defect which needs attention. So, the chair vs. bed thing should probably be made consistent and should be put under control of an MCM toggle so that players can tune DD to how they want to play

 

(Also, there's some game balance issues that probably could use some MCM support (for example, rather than relying on Rogg, which doesn't work in some contexts).)

 

Edit: I have run into this first-person obstructed view thing with some non-DD gear. So presumably a part of the problem is some other mod doing something which I must somehow figure out.

Edited January 6, 2023 by sen4mi

[lee3310]

1 hour ago, Elsidia said:

 

this is DD anticheat engine - in sleep not going timer.  You can spend those hours in action and then you can try unlock second time. Or you can wait on chair - for that mechanics anticheat engine not work . I can made it to work. But not sure if players will be happy with that decision.

I just test - after waiting 3 hours on chair all works as expected.

If waiting on a chair is not considered as a cheat, i don't see why sleeping is. Either both wait options are prohibited or neither of them (just my opinion ofc)

Edited January 2, 2023 by lee3310

[vaultbait]

1 hour ago, sen4mi said:

It's odd that first person view works for you when it did not work for me. I will see if I can figure anything out that might be relevant here.

 

It can also be a function of the BodySlide conversion you're using. The included conversion is for CBBE but there are others available separately for different body replacers (two different ones for Fusion Girl, and probably conversions to additional bodies I'm not aware of).

[izzyknows]

4 hours ago, Elsidia said:

But now you are protected from any straitjacket or dress.

Unequip the gloves when putting on straitjackets, armbinders.

Do a check if gloves, mittens, wrist restraints... are equipped... then uneqip them... then equip the straitjacket, armbinder.

Any wrist/hand restraint is far less restrictive than a straitjacket or armbinder. And the "restrictive" gloves are just eye candy anyway.

[sen4mi]

3 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

It can also be a function of the BodySlide conversion you're using. The included conversion is for CBBE but there are others available separately for different body replacers (two different ones for Fusion Girl, and probably conversions to additional bodies I'm not aware of).

 

It's trickier than that.

 

Re-equipping the bra did not bring back the first person artifact.

 

So I don't know if this is an intermittent problem or if it's a repeatable problem which requires a certain sequence of steps.

[Elsidia]

8 hours ago, sen4mi said:

But, on survival mode, sleeping is not a cheat

It's not about survival mode or normal mode. DD suspect waiting time as cheat. You need wait this time in normal way as time goes on. But the same as on Skyrim DD you still can use wait time.  In Skyrim DCL some events not work using wait time so.  I don't know is wait time is specially left untouched or forgot about that FO4 ability, but it made in that way. In my opinion DD and survival is incompatible.

9 hours ago, sen4mi said:

relying on Rogg, w

I think about it. In theory it is easy on practice it can made some complicated script for me. But first i need found time to complete updated DD engine.

[Elsidia]

7 hours ago, lee3310 said:

If waiting on a chair is not considered as a cheat, i don't see why sleeping is.

I answer in previous post why it's work in that way. Add some more info. DD is port from Skyrim, where it works in that same way. Also if you insist, i can add waiting as cheat too. I doo it in my previous version of FO4. But if Skyrim have mod DCL, where you have more chance to free and fight even when tied, in FO4 not those options. So if i do it, your game will look like that - 1) attempt to escape.   2) Stay on place and wait x hours while going FO4 time. 3) trying escape again. As there nothing more to do.  But anticheat for wait time is easy to made. No problem)

[Elsidia]

5 hours ago, izzyknows said:

Unequip the gloves when putting on straitjackets, armbinders.

I mean you are protected from automatically equip skills. Say you have activated DCW traps. So you just voluntary put on glove, manipulate a locks and you can freely explore chests as straitjackets will not equip on you.

So you offer if trigger trap, first unequip gloves then equip a straitjacket. Ok it can be done, but it is necessary?

Also in Skyrim original straitjacket is without arms slot, and gloves can equipped under it, i specially check before made those changes. But in Skyrim Device hider works better (i mean original Bethesda device hider) In Skyrim i very rare times see floating hands on NPC. As in Fallout 4 NPC hands float in 99% cases.

Edited January 2, 2023 by Elsidia
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[Elsidia]

4 hours ago, sen4mi said:

So I don't know if this is an intermittent problem or if it's a repeatable problem which requires a certain sequence of steps.

The bra and most items of DD doesn't have first person mode files. I assume it not need as those items equip over body. So this can be cause some body item armor what is damaged (maybe even from another mod) Or some DD body restraint - we check most and all was good. I mean those files need attach to armor what use biped slot 33 (body)

What version of DD 2.0 you use:

RC8 or catsuit update?

[sen4mi]

I used the RC8 which I downloaded from the link in https://www.loverslab.com/topic/73925-devious-devices/?do=findComment&comment=3572600

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by sen4mi

[DrydenK]

Is it possible to set the timed release period for a specific device? For example, I want that device X, once locked, stays locked for 24 hours. 

[izzyknows]

6 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Ok it can be done, but it is necessary?

Yes it is, IF it's more efficient code wise. Which is less demanding.. even just a tiny amount will make a difference in a script intensive game. (folks running a lot of heavy script mods)

And un-equipping and item will guarantee a 100% of never having floating hands.

My guess is the the simple removal method is far less intrusive, as it fires once and done.

Not to mention, you can't see the gloves, mittens, wrist devices etc while wearing a straitjacket. Sooo... why hide them instead of simply removing them for later use by the player?

[lee3310]

7 hours ago, Elsidia said:

I answer in previous post why it's work in that way. Add some more info. DD is port from Skyrim, where it works in that same way. Also if you insist, i can add waiting as cheat too. I doo it in my previous version of FO4. But if Skyrim have mod DCL, where you have more chance to free and fight even when tied, in FO4 not those options. So if i do it, your game will look like that - 1) attempt to escape.   2) Stay on place and wait x hours while going FO4 time. 3) trying escape again. As there nothing more to do.  But anticheat for wait time is easy to made. No problem)

It can be interpreted as: unable to sleep when wearing uncomfortable devices that cause pain or pleasure ?.

Edited January 2, 2023 by lee3310

[Elsidia]

11 minutes ago, izzyknows said:

Yes it is, IF it's more efficient code wise.

In first thinking about it:

Need add for new

Bool Function IsEquipDeviceConflict(Actor akActor) to be sure that only gloves mess up with jacket

Need change

Bool Function IsEquipRequiredDeviceConflict(Actor akActor) to allow run into silent mode and be sure that jacket can be equipped. (Already in plans as non silent mode mess up with DCW)

Now need change

Bool Function EquipDevice(Actor akActor, Armor InventoryDevice, Armor RenderedDevice = none, Bool CheckDependencies = True, Keyword Pose = None, String Color = "none")

to check if it straitjacket and you wear a gloves and nothing is in way of jacket. Also need check if not wearing a mittens as those is gloves too.

Need run slow mode unequip function

RemoveGenericDeviceByKeyword as we don't know what fornid of gloves is wearing.

Now we can continue equip jacket as planned.

 

There still can be conflict if there in equip process are some other items what can mess up with jacket.

Note: If not do this complicated way of check, so we can end, that gloves is removed, but jacket not equipped as other item don't allow it. Also if some item is already in equip process so jacket can fail equip as new item appears and gloves is removed.

[sen4mi]

I ran into a crash today...

 

Somehow a violate scene had unequipped my pipboy, so I was unable to do anything. I had a DD pipboy in my inventory so I equipped that from the console.

 

Later, I tried to equip the regular pipboy (00021b3b) which was apparently fine, but then opening it for modification in an armor bench crashed the game. (Possibly the DD pipboy does not unequip when I equip the real pipboy??)

[Slykk1]

I'm sorry if this has been asked a lot or is a dumb question, but how do I equip the chastity belt corset addons? whenever I try to equip it it's instantly unequipped, and doesn't even bring up the DD menu. is there supposed to be some sort of process to "apply" it to a belt?

[Elsidia]

13 hours ago, Slykk1 said:

is there supposed to be some sort of process to "apply" it to a belt?

yes it is. It's addon. So first equip corset then belt, as it addon for corset

 

[Slykk1]

16 hours ago, Elsidia said:

yes it is. It's addon. So first equip corset then belt, as it addon for corset

 

when I try to do that, the corset says that "This device cannot be equipped as long as its required items are missing."

[Elsidia]

7 hours ago, Slykk1 said:

t, the corset says tha

try this - latex corset XX02f883 - if this corset not equip - you have damaged DD

 

[Slykk1]

I have a damaged devious devices, it seems, and this has sent me down a rabbit hole of  tech support. after reeinstalling the mod, I am able to run in the restrictive latex corset and the chastity belt clips now. I'm not sure if I should move this to the dedicated tech support forum or keep it in the dedicated DD topic.