Devious Training

[ksd156]

Would be interested in helping with testing when you feel ready to post files. Looking forward to see what new concepts might be in next version.

[Chroom22]

Any reason wearing a corset would make my character fat instead of skinny? I feel like SLIF has something to do with it but at this point I have so many mods that change the body scale I haven't got a clue.

[hexenhaus]

8 hours ago, Chroom22 said:

Any reason wearing a corset would make my character fat instead of skinny? I feel like SLIF has something to do with it but at this point I have so many mods that change the body scale I haven't got a clue.

You can check the individual changes each mod registered in SLIF makes: Go to Values and Sliders and check DT

[Chroom22]

10 hours ago, hexenhaus said:

You can check the individual changes each mod registered in SLIF makes: Go to Values and Sliders and check DT

Well I know it's DT. It's stating my belly node is inflated. It's also just inflating the characters belly even though I'm not even wearing a corset. Anybody's guess as to why it's doing this?

[donttouchmethere]

On 11/30/2018 at 3:39 AM, Chroom22 said:

Any reason wearing a corset would make my character fat instead of skinny? I feel like SLIF has something to do with it but at this point I have so many mods that change the body scale I haven't got a clue.

If your using the DTdev build => I have the same Issue.

• If you switch off bodyinflation -> seems to ignore that option if you equip a chastity belt or corset
• SLIF patch isnt updated to DTdev
• try hexenhaus idea and unregister DTdev from SLIF

if your using DT2 => should work fine

• if your using SLIF use the newest SLIF + newest patches
• you can switch off body inflation controlled by SILF via DT2 MCM
• if nothing helps try hexenhaus idea

 

I recommend using the DT2 version

[Chroom22]

18 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

If your using the DTdev build => I have the same Issue.

• If you switch off bodyinflation -> seems to ignore that option if you equip a chastity belt or corset
• SLIF patch isnt updated to DTdev
• try hexenhaus idea and unregister DTdev from SLIF

if your using DT2 => should work fine

• if your using SLIF use the newest SLIF + newest patches
• you can switch off body inflation controlled by SILF via DT2 MCM
• if nothing helps try hexenhaus idea

 

I recommend using the DT2 version

I have Devious Training 2.6 installed (I'm assuming anything after 2.0 is DTII) and the latest SLIF files installed (1.2.2) And the patch (2018.12.01) and I made sure they were recent. Now nothing happens when I wear the corset. Even worse I checked SLIF values and there's no belly morph at all in the Devious Training II section. Just neck and head. I made sure to install SLIF and its patch AFTER Devious Training 2.6. I've also ran LOOT to make sure the load order is appropriate.

 

At this point the only thing I can think that's creating these issues is either a corrupt save (I haven't started a new game) or some other mod that's effecting it. I even went out of my way to make sure it wasn't hormones or Beeing female by disabling any inflation settings for debug purposes. I'll start a new game I guess but I'm not looking forward to the hour and a half ordeal of making the character and then editing all the MCM settings. Thank god Cursed Loot allows you to import settings.

[donttouchmethere]

1 hour ago, Chroom22 said:

Devious Training 2.6 installed

thats correct DT v2.6 is DTII, there is a DTdev build in this topic too somewhere

DTdev on my setup will always (even with deactivated bodymodification) for whatever reason change pelvic size to crazy sizes

(PC looks like a pear after fitting a chstity belt or corset)

 

1 hour ago, Chroom22 said:

latest SLIF files installed

DT2 doesnt need SILF, only if you use the DT2 bodymods (size change after sex for example, or often/less often sex) will DT2 register with SILF => there is an option in MCM thats will ask if you want to have changes via SILF

 

about the corset, collar, gag, blindfold, feet => they dont change your body right away, you need to wear them for a while

running around, fighting, casting will train you with those DDs

the higher your rank/training the more effect you will see

so if you want to see what happens if you have high training ranks => speed up training, choose Fast/Fastest for training

now there is a debuff phase too, if you dont move and dont fight the training amount will drop again

to prevent that you could choose the option "debuff only if not master lvl"

(not sure how it all is called correctly, need to make screenshots)

 

in addition:

DT2 doesnt make fat/skinny (doesnt change weight)

it will reduce waist, create a longer neck, keeps mouth open, changes eye opening, stuff like that

if you want to see more effect in the early stages of training you can rise those effects (for example rise collar scale)

 

if you have SILF installed you can check for other mods that modify your belly size

 

if that wasnt realy helpful, you might want to post pics of your DT2 settings or your PC and load order, maybe that helps to find answers

 

yes a save option for DT2 would be great^^

[Chroom22]

4 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

about the corset, collar, gag, blindfold, feet => they dont change your body right away

If that's the case then that explains my issue. It's difficult to accurately describe why I thought that the changes would be instant but I'll just say it's primarily because the bugs I was encountering earlier lead me to think that I would see the changes instantly. But if you're saying putting on a corset won't make my character thin instantly that's basically a load off of my mind since I've been going insane trying to figure out why it wasn't happening instantly.

 

4 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

speed up training, choose Fast/Fastest for training

now there is a debuff phase too, if you dont move and dont fight the training amount will drop again

to prevent that you could choose the option "debuff only if not master lvl"

(not sure how it all is called correctly, need to make screenshots)

Oh ok that explains why I've been having problems with progressing the effects in order to debug/change any issues with the mod I had in the MCM. I figured setting everything to ultra speed was all I could do.

 

Edit: Also after debugging, my character is still getting fat instead of shrinking around the waist. I'll just post my load order since my DTII settings are pretty vanilla. If this doesn't absolve the issue I don't know what will.

 

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[ChewGun]

Can I get to test this too?

[hexenhaus]

dead?

[donttouchmethere]

43 minutes ago, hexenhaus said:

dead?

Cow!

[kioo]

On 12/16/2018 at 7:57 PM, donttouchmethere said:

Cow!

I read this as “Version 3.0 will be released in the next days”!

[Lyreal]

On 12/27/2018 at 5:48 PM, kioo said:

I read this as “Version 3.0 will be released in the next days”!

 

I can't wait ?

[donttouchmethere]

On 12/27/2018 at 5:48 PM, kioo said:

I read this as “Version 3.0 will be released in the next days”!

that would be great : (

but me thinks Cows have a higher priority over .... ehmm... bound cows!

[donttouchmethere]

btw I still use DT2 with everything (new mods/new DD)

some things still work ?

 

I wish skyrimfet would just update the old DT2 ? (instead of making a super duper DT version^^)

 

BTW:

⚠️ SD+ 3.6.2 and DT2's option "crawl if arched feet" is not compatible anymore! ⚠️

If SD+ tries to change pose animation - while wearing a yoke -  to kneel or crawl, it won't be able to do so and you get an error message from SD+: "not able to change animation"

(or something like that)

 

workaround if you encounter that issue:

deactivate "crawl if arched feet" in DT2 MCM

after that, SD+ kneel/crawl works again

 

[skyrimfet]

Just now, donttouchmethere said:

that would be great : (

but me thinks Cows have a higher priority over .... ehmm... bound cows!

not at all! all what block me to update new DT is uninstall procedure.  Yestarday i updated Devious Butt - so in background I still works on all my 4mods (and im planing start with 5th ) - of course not all time
about DT plans ( i dont remember latest DT version (what included))
but i know:
plans for DT are clear for me:

separate visual effects with main engine - done
separate achievements to external plugins - in future but it's important

 

clean up code and make apis more friendly for other persons (for me)  - thats could be good to do it before near update too - i want to publish save version, without cleaning in future etc... thats is a reason of this biiiig delay

 

happy new year, see you soon

 

 

[donttouchmethere]

17 minutes ago, skyrimfet said:

happy new year, see you soon

I knew it!

if I poke a cow you would come out to give feedback ?

makes me think what happens if I knock over a cow while its sleeping ?

 

happy new year! ?

 

and don't forget about all those breathless (but super fast) DDi Ponygirls out there ?

DT2 still rocks!

 

(I would give ya thumb up, but that's racist if you only have hoofs and want to be political correct)

[Rogwar002]

Nice to read. Your mod is an inspiration for me, to drive things further as is the DD team.

Because some things in your mod I don´t like, I try to make them better. Making progress right now. The calculation is working without body distortions. I am able to lengthen my neck like a giraffe without shrinking the head the slightest. I can pinch my waist without having a giant torso afterward. I changed the caculation in your mod, before I decided to make my own (because I still don´t like your way of fragmenting scripts, but thats personal taste).

The effect calculation using steps is scriptheavy as fuck. Changed that almost. You should rethink the counting of every step, jumping, riding, running etc. and consider gametime. Your onEvent functions are a mess and therefore can cause stackdumps backed in a save from you mod ( I wrote can and really mean it, because of personal observation).

 

To all the people who can´t wait: I fully understand Skyrimfet and all the other authors now. You write a part of code and you don´t expect it, but suddenly you can´t compile it. For me it was FNIS Sexy walk mentioned inside the zadboundcombat script or the creature script of FNIS as I implemented an array for convinence. You have to lookup the mistake or if it is a mistake at all. This is time consuming. And the CK... oh dear the CK. I cannot count how often the compliling went bad using the CK, when opening the script in an external programm for convinence.

 

Because right now I´m in the very beginning of my schedule I´m willing to share what I found this far.

Otherwise I will go on and hopefully be able to share it with the LL community in the future.

I cannot imagine a gamesetup using DD without body effects anymore.

Keep on this great work, perhaps with your update mine will be obsolete?

Rogwar

[hadddy]

Hey, I can't seem to get the force crawl working with BAC, the console says something about a certain value that is needed to be above 40.

I might be missing something. Can someone explain how the force crawl effect works and how to get it? (preferably with BAC)

 

Edit: it says DT2Tools::forcetoAllfours - start: [actor < 00000014>], 2, false

etc.

 

[Chroom22]

So the mods working good for me. Only issue now is there's no slavetats functions working (IE: no red sores or numbers bound). I can manually add them in the slave tats mcm but they don't appear after wearing bondage gear for several days.

[chevalierx]

Where the beta version any one have it

[Lupine00]

It's been so long. Can we hope for a new DT soon?

 

You better hurry up or I will steal all your ideas  

[Rogwar002]

8 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

You better hurry up or I will steal all your ideas  

I´m far ahead

It is working. And it is much less instrusive to the overall script performance.

Edit:

To be clear: I got inspiration here. I did a very different approach on the alteration part.?

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, Rogwar002 said:

It is working. And it is much less instrusive to the overall script performance.

I think the main script hog was the footstep detection, but that was just from a cursory reading of the code.

 

So what mod name should I be searching for?

 

I searched your feed and found some references to a "Devious Body Alteration" but can't find a download or forum page that deals with it.

[Rogwar002]

Oh. The name I had in mind was Devious Body Alteration. Just right now I would say it is ....WIP? Beta?... It does change the body already, but there are no other features implented right now....hm. I´ll give it a shot... I´ll make a download. But don´t expect to much for now. I still have to implement the rest. Let´s go.