toys Shout Like a Virgin Evolved LE

[lucieanderson]

Hey VM (no pun intended, or maybe ... ;-)),

 

thank you for this wonderful piece of sexy art this mod is. I absolutely love playing around with it, have not seen all of it yet, so I am holding my feedback on all the features for now (will give some later on if you like).

 

One issue I have is with the bodyslide files. I am using UUNP, and did use the according files, but I keep having glitches with those files. I figured out how to add the preset selection to your bodyslide files (those were missing). The real issue is that the naked body textures get glitched out with some of the items equipped. Almost looks like the items have a CBBE? texture attached to them which looks quite odd on an UUNP body. Am I the only one with that issue, maybe I am not bodysliding properly?

 

Anyways more shouting now

[VirginMarie]

Hey VM (no pun intended, or maybe ... ;-)),

 

thank you for this wonderful piece of sexy art this mod is. I absolutely love playing around with it, have not seen all of it yet, so I am holding my feedback on all the features for now (will give some later on if you like).

 

One issue I have is with the bodyslide files. I am using UUNP, and did use the according files, but I keep having glitches with those files. I figured out how to add the preset selection to your bodyslide files (those were missing). The real issue is that the naked body textures get glitched out with some of the items equipped. Almost looks like the items have a CBBE? texture attached to them which looks quite odd on an UUNP body. Am I the only one with that issue, maybe I am not bodysliding properly?

 

Anyways more shouting now

 

Feedback welcome when you are ready. You could enter the contest and get yourself a waterfall with your name on it in the mod.

 

Preset selection was missing... I don't understand what this means. But see FAQ #8 for easy way to build with your preset. Having trouble with your preset does hint that you might be using an outdated version of Bodyslide.

 

naked body textures get glitched... This has not been reported by anyone else so far. There was a similar problem in the previous version, just for the new Full Harness, but that was fixed in the most recent release. Can you be more specific on which items?

 

I'm not the author of the bodyslide files, they all come from various other mods/authors. You can see which in the Thanks and Credits section. So its hard for me to help. But where I'd start is to ask... are you using the latest or close to latest, version of Bodyslide? Many of the items require a recent version because they use the new osd format. Latest version is 3.7+

[VirginMarie]

There's an Incompatibility with Devious Devices Integration 3.2  - If wearing any Virgin Harness, and any armbinder or yoke, the menu to select struggle, etc. may become inaccessible, or the struggle animation may not play. Compatibility will very likely be restored in this mod's next release.

 

 

Has anyone noticed anything else with DDi 3.2?

[hexenhaus]

 

 

• What would you like to see added/improved? - more tats (dunno if there are more then slave), body modifications (change of haircolor during punishements, skin gets darker during roasting, other bodychanges)  Tats are a tough one. This is currently done by Branding Device of Doom so this mod has no control. Requested before and on my maybe future list   Skin already changes color during roasting... are you not seeing it, or just looking for even more variation in color? I could certainly do hair color in the future - I saw it but if i am not wrong it is not a lasting effect?! I meant a gradual darkening of the skin after several visits to the roast (reflecting the fireresistance and beeing a plaything of nocturnal that is hard to see in the dark). When i first thought about it i envisioned an appearance like Storm from X-Men, with white hair and glowing eyes and maybe glowing tribal tats.
• What do you least like? What would you like to see changed to fix what you least like? - No random devices (i prefer random over manual mcm stuff, but for debug it is fine.) By random, do you mean randomly selected by the mod and you can't change them? What if MCM had an option that put it into that mode? Yes randomly selected by the mod (toggle) without the need to open MCM. But for debug purposes or personal tastes it can be locked and stays in the mcm
• Do you like/dislike/have any problems, with priestesses (Erotic Arts), and Cassia's visits? - Too often Have you tried adjusting "chance" setting in MCM? Planning to add variety to these encounters so people want them more often Haven't seen this option and looking forward for more variety =)
• What do you think about the Multi-orgasmic Delayed Orgasm caused by the Nipple Guard? - What for? I dunno the purpose?! Do you mean you don't understand the feature, or you don't conceptually get why you'd have a delayed orgasm? It's because the device is making you multi-orgasmic  I know what it does, but there should be some advantage or disadvantage for that(or some explanation why nocturnal provides you with that). For example full regeneration after multi-orgasm or a buff?!

 

Thanks! Trimmed down to just items I replied to, and put my comments above.

 

Is this to be your contest entry? You now qualify to have your own waterfall, but you need to tell me where you waterfall is going to be?

 

Replies in yellow.

 

Call it a lack of imagination but personal i like real feedback like bodychanges, de-/buffs, quests, attacks, etc. when something occurred in addition to the messages. For example at the moment my characters breast need their own jarl (SGO) but why would i relieve her if i loose the speech buff... I did not test if the nipple shields prevent milking but i did not milk them, while the shields were still attached and so i really missed a debuff This is not your construction site but you get what i mean/miss =)

 

Edited September 20, 2016 by hexenhaus

[GiantTiger]

Fantastic mod! Can't wait for the next update, especially with more chain devices, I love those

 

BTW, I don't know if this is a bug or not, but at the spit roast scene when my char get put on the spit, the device dissappeared, only the fires and the skewer remain, and when the char start to rotate the skewer dissappeared too. Hope someone can help me fix this.

 

PS: Nevermind, I've figured it out, I set the wrong device hinder in Devious Device

[VirginMarie]

 

 

 

• What would you like to see added/improved? - more tats (dunno if there are more then slave), body modifications (change of haircolor during punishements, skin gets darker during roasting, other bodychanges)  Tats are a tough one. This is currently done by Branding Device of Doom so this mod has no control. Requested before and on my maybe future list   Skin already changes color during roasting... are you not seeing it, or just looking for even more variation in color? I could certainly do hair color in the future - I saw it but if i am not wrong it is not a lasting effect?! I meant a gradual darkening of the skin after several visits to the roast (reflecting the fireresistance and beeing a plaything of nocturnal that is hard to see in the dark). When i first thought about it i envisioned an appearance like Storm from X-Men, with white hair and glowing eyes and maybe glowing tribal tats.
• What do you least like? What would you like to see changed to fix what you least like? - No random devices (i prefer random over manual mcm stuff, but for debug it is fine.) By random, do you mean randomly selected by the mod and you can't change them? What if MCM had an option that put it into that mode? Yes randomly selected by the mod (toggle) without the need to open MCM. But for debug purposes or personal tastes it can be locked and stays in the mcm
• Do you like/dislike/have any problems, with priestesses (Erotic Arts), and Cassia's visits? - Too often Have you tried adjusting "chance" setting in MCM? Planning to add variety to these encounters so people want them more often Haven't seen this option and looking forward for more variety =)
• What do you think about the Multi-orgasmic Delayed Orgasm caused by the Nipple Guard? - What for? I dunno the purpose?! Do you mean you don't understand the feature, or you don't conceptually get why you'd have a delayed orgasm? It's because the device is making you multi-orgasmic  I know what it does, but there should be some advantage or disadvantage for that(or some explanation why nocturnal provides you with that). For example full regeneration after multi-orgasm or a buff?!

 

Thanks! Trimmed down to just items I replied to, and put my comments above.

 

Is this to be your contest entry? You now qualify to have your own waterfall, but you need to tell me where you waterfall is going to be?

 

Replies in yellow.

 

Call it a lack of imagination but personal i like real feedback like bodychanges, de-/buffs, quests, attacks, etc. when something occurred in addition to the messages. For example at the moment my characters breast need their own jarl (SGO) but why would i relieve her if i loose the speech buff... I did not test if the nipple shields prevent milking but i did not milk them, while the shields were still attached and so i really missed a debuff This is not your construction site but you get what i mean/miss =)

 

 

1. It's a nice idea. For sure if I did it, it would be significant effort, and it would need to be optional as not everyone would want. I've added to my ideas list
2. Also now on my ideas list. More likely I can do this one sooner than later.
3. If you think of ideas for the variety let me know. Cassia might be getting accustomed to associating pain with pleasure and ask you to whip her instead (for example)
4. Nocturnal does mention the multi-orgasmic thing in the first meeting when she equips the device. When I added the Death Alternative, and made your orgasm heal you back to life, I was actually then thinking orgasm anytime should be healing. So I think I will do this.... delayed orgasm heals you Will do this soon! This could also happen when using the love shout in battle. Now the question is, should the punishing Breast Torture Collar, since pain is pleasure, cause sometimes a delayed orgasm, which then heals you??

[hexenhaus]

4. Heal on multigasm is suitable for me, because when my PC is hungry, thirsty and/or tired from iNeed in combination with gags she almost has no regeneration. And if she then gets the Torture Collar she keeps falling into bleeding state and has to be  revived by either nocturnal DA or wait to get up by DA (which will repeat over and over)

[VirginMarie]

Fantastic mod! Can't wait for the next update, especially with more chain devices, I love those

 

BTW, I don't know if this is a bug or not, but at the spit roast scene when my char get put on the spit, the device dissappeared, only the fires and the skewer remain, and when the char start to rotate the skewer dissappeared too. Hope someone can help me fix this.

 

For the spit to work (this is as supplied by Zaz Animations Pack),  this mod must equip it on you like armor. At that point there are two spits that will never visually align. So this mod must remove the original, and put it back again after. It's all an illusion.

 

But are you saying you are just there floating in mid air with no spit hardware or fire at all? If that's the case it means the "armor" which is the spit, was not working/invisible/something. Could be a Zaz Animations install problem. To ensure Zaz is setup right, you could use the steps in Item B in Troubleshooting.

1. What happens if you load a save before the scene, and run through it again? Same problem?
2. Have you seen it reoccur if you are rebirthed again later in the story?
3. Have you seen it reoccur during the Bedevilled Spits quest?
4. Have you seen any visual problems with other Zaz Animations furniture (these are in the Pain is Pleasure random Nocturnal encounter)?

4. Heal on multigasm is suitable for me, because when my PC is hungry, thirsty and/or tired from iNeed in combination with gags she almost has no regeneration. And if she then gets the Torture Collar she keeps falling into bleeding state and has to be  revived by either nocturnal DA or wait to get up by DA (which will repeat over and over)

 

Ya I like the healing orgasm idea alot.

 

Note that you can turn down the amount of damage that the Breast Torture Colloar does, in MCM.

[GiantTiger]

 

Fantastic mod! Can't wait for the next update, especially with more chain devices, I love those

 

BTW, I don't know if this is a bug or not, but at the spit roast scene when my char get put on the spit, the device dissappeared, only the fires and the skewer remain, and when the char start to rotate the skewer dissappeared too. Hope someone can help me fix this.

 

For the spit to work (this is as supplied by Zaz Animations Pack),  this mod must equip it on you like armor. At that point there are two spits that will never visually align. So this mod must remove the original, and put it back again after. It's all an illusion.

 

But are you saying you are just there floating in mid air with no spit hardware or fire at all? If that's the case it means the "armor" which is the spit, was not working/invisible/something. Could be a Zaz Animations install problem. To ensure Zaz is setup right, you could use the steps in Item B in Troubleshooting.

1. What happens if you load a save before the scene, and run through it again? Same problem?
2. Have you seen it reoccur if you are rebirthed again later in the story?
3. Have you seen it reoccur during the Bedevilled Spits quest?
4. Have you seen any visual problems with other Zaz Animations furniture (these are in the Pain is Pleasure random Nocturnal encounter)?

Thanks for quick reply, I've figured it out, I set the wrong device hinder in Devious Device

[sfeile]

 

 

 

 

• What would you like to see added/improved? - more tats (dunno if there are more then slave), body modifications (change of haircolor during punishements, skin gets darker during roasting, other bodychanges)  Tats are a tough one. This is currently done by Branding Device of Doom so this mod has no control. Requested before and on my maybe future list   Skin already changes color during roasting... are you not seeing it, or just looking for even more variation in color? I could certainly do hair color in the future - I saw it but if i am not wrong it is not a lasting effect?! I meant a gradual darkening of the skin after several visits to the roast (reflecting the fireresistance and beeing a plaything of nocturnal that is hard to see in the dark). When i first thought about it i envisioned an appearance like Storm from X-Men, with white hair and glowing eyes and maybe glowing tribal tats.

 

 

1. It's a nice idea. For sure if I did it, it would be significant effort, and it would need to be optional as not everyone would want. I've added to my ideas list

 

 

Another thought for a toggle-able option is hair loss due to being cooked. Something similar to what Slaverun has. You can choose it, and choose amount of time it takes to grow back with how many stages.

 

[hexenhaus]

I do have a problem now.

 

Not 100% sure that SLAV is the cause but it seems to break the pillory scenes of POP (Prison Overhaul Patches). Getting approached while in the pillory seems to break the AI and for example the timescale modifier does not apply anymore and in the end my pc starts to wander with the pillory and the scene never ends. I disabled the Maiden and the Priestesses but they still are there, when i get moved from jail to marketplace and offer the "help of dibella" (3rd word of the loveshout quest). As i can not read it they will try to hand me the letter over and over again... it does not break the AI immediately but 3 out of 3 during the day.

 

How i ended up in jail:

 

By the way i got into prison in the first place because of nocturnal ripped me of Captured Dreams punishment in the 1st place, punished me with "new training" but left me with gag and yoke from CD. After some running around it got darker and i finally reached Ivarstead and the innkeeper was so kind to remove my gag and fed me. Then i asked around if somebody could help with the yoke. Nobody could or wanted to help me and it was just black. So i could not rest or use fast-travel so in my despair i decided to kick the guards and let them arrest me...

 

[VirginMarie]

I do have a problem now.

 

Not 100% sure that SLAV is the cause but it seems to break the pillory scenes of POP (Prison Overhaul Patches). Getting approached while in the pillory seems to break the AI and for example the timescale modifier does not apply anymore and in the end my pc starts to wander with the pillory and the scene never ends. I disabled the Maiden and the Priestesses but they still are there, when i get moved from jail to marketplace and offer the "help of dibella" (3rd word of the loveshout quest). As i can not read it they will try to hand me the letter over and over again... it does not break the AI immediately but 3 out of 3 during the day.

 

Ya this mod and POP are going to have a rough time playing together. It's luck of the draw, you can go for hours without any problems, but there will be problems. There's no way for this mod to know you are busy with a POP scene, so there's little I can do about it. Turning off Maiden/Priestesses after the fact is too late, they have already started their thing.

 

​The letter giving this mod does is exactly like the courier... so I'd bet the vanilla skyrim courier could break POP too.

 

How i ended up in jail:

By the way i got into prison in the first place because of nocturnal ripped me of Captured Dreams punishment in the 1st place, punished me with "new training" but left me with gag and yoke from CD. After some running around it got darker and i finally reached Ivarstead and the innkeeper was so kind to remove my gag and fed me. Then i asked around if somebody could help with the yoke. Nobody could or wanted to help me and it was just black. So i could not rest or use fast-travel so in my despair i decided to kick the guards and let them arrest me...

 

I would bet you mean that you failed to report in and so Nocturnal came to get you. For this scenario, I do have plans on how to make "fail to report in" work such that it plays nicely in this kind of situation. Coming soon

 

 

 

Another thought for a toggle-able option is hair loss due to being cooked. Something similar to what Slaverun has. You can choose it, and choose amount of time it takes to grow back with how many stages.

 

 

Included it in my idea list. Also a big effort to implement so not going to be soon.

[hexenhaus]

New idea:

 

Add an option to toggle the different virginities.

• For example only vaginal virginity. This would result in less notifications and a way to play with the benefit of more SL interaction.
• Or oral only allowed. I mean how could anybody in RL be tested for anal or oral of "virginity" (If it is not immediately after the loss).

This would allow everyone to tweak the difficulty to his/her liking without breaking the "immersion" (in my oppinion). And there would be "room" for punishements from other mods

 

 

 

 

 

I do have a problem now.

 

Not 100% sure that SLAV is the cause but it seems to break the pillory scenes of POP (Prison Overhaul Patches). Getting approached while in the pillory seems to break the AI and for example the timescale modifier does not apply anymore and in the end my pc starts to wander with the pillory and the scene never ends. I disabled the Maiden and the Priestesses but they still are there, when i get moved from jail to marketplace and offer the "help of dibella" (3rd word of the loveshout quest). As i can not read it they will try to hand me the letter over and over again... it does not break the AI immediately but 3 out of 3 during the day.

 

Ya this mod and POP are going to have a rough time playing together. It's luck of the draw, you can go for hours without any problems, but there will be problems. There's no way for this mod to know you are busy with a POP scene, so there's little I can do about it. Turning off Maiden/Priestesses after the fact is too late, they have already started their thing.

 

​The letter giving this mod does is exactly like the courier... so I'd bet the vanilla skyrim courier could break POP too.

 

How i ended up in jail:

By the way i got into prison in the first place because of nocturnal ripped me of Captured Dreams punishment in the 1st place, punished me with "new training" but left me with gag and yoke from CD. After some running around it got darker and i finally reached Ivarstead and the innkeeper was so kind to remove my gag and fed me. Then i asked around if somebody could help with the yoke. Nobody could or wanted to help me and it was just black. So i could not rest or use fast-travel so in my despair i decided to kick the guards and let them arrest me...

 

I would bet you mean that you failed to report in and so Nocturnal came to get you. For this scenario, I do have plans on how to make "fail to report in" work such that it plays nicely in this kind of situation. Coming soon

 

 

 

Another thought for a toggle-able option is hair loss due to being cooked. Something similar to what Slaverun has. You can choose it, and choose amount of time it takes to grow back with how many stages.

 

 

Included it in my idea list. Also a big effort to implement so not going to be soon.

 

 

 

 

 

Is there a way to let the priestess and maiden only approach you in the wilderness(not cities)? Would be a workaround the POP scenes and there would maybe be less interference with a bunch of mods.

[VirginMarie]

New idea:

 

Add an option to toggle the different virginities.

• For example only vaginal virginity. This would result in less notifications and a way to play with the benefit of more SL interaction. By notifications do you mean pop-up message box? This can already be turned off in MCM
• Or oral only allowed. I mean how could anybody in RL be tested for anal or oral of "virginity" (If it is not immediately after the loss).

This would allow everyone to tweak the difficulty to his/her liking without breaking the "immersion" (in my oppinion). And there would be "room" for punishements from other mods

 

I'm not understanding what "only vaginal" or "only oral" would mean. Do you mean not have a counter for it? Not notify for it? Not count it as "lost virginity"? Currently only vaginal gets counted as "lost virginity" and gets the blood visual, and screams etc. The other 2 are just being counted up for fun. And the message box notifications can be turned off. So what would I change about this?

 

 

Is there a way to let the priestess and maiden only approach you in the wilderness(not cities)? Would be a workaround the POP scenes and there would maybe be less interference with a bunch of mods.

 

Yes but they will still make their way into cities anyhow. What about the skyrim courier? POP will have the same problem but we are not moving him

 

This is as much a POP problem as it is this mod's. For example, many other mods will force greet. What does POP do? I've played POP and other mods interrupt it. I'm already checking for sexlab action, and not interrupting that, but can't know if POP is in dialogue before the loving etc.

 

Also in the inverse... my mod can be interrupted by another mod including POP bounty hunters for example. I do my best to make it resilient to that. It's as much my problem as the mod that's trying to interrupt. POP has the problem of being in such a public, often used area, thus the chances are much higher.

 

Also I think if you play using POP more, you will find this is the exception, not the norm. You had a stroke of bad luck. Others posting here have talked about POP, but none yet have reported your scenario.

 

I will always be looking for solutions to this (very generic..... all mods have it) problem. But there's no easy solution.

 

So where is your waterfall going to be?

[hexenhaus]

 

 

 

I'm not understanding what "only vaginal" or "only oral" would mean. Do you mean not have a counter for it? Not notify for it? Not count it as "lost virginity"? Currently only vaginal gets counted as "lost virginity" and gets the blood visual, and screams etc. The other 2 are just being counted up for fun. And the message box notifications can be turned off. So what would I change about this?

 

 

So where is your waterfall going to be?

 

 

Aaah. I was mislead then by the counter and messages...

 

When i find a suitable waterfall i will tell you

[VirginMarie]

v2.5 now released

 

Change Log

 

Highlights are 3 new devices, and compatibility for DDi 3.2

 

I had planned to take more time and include more features before releasing, but decided to push this out asap, as there was a somewhat nasty compatibility issue with the new Devious Devices 3.2. Fixed in this release.

[nooblet123]

The fires in Nocturnal's place near the cages kill PC real fast on legendary difficulty (with Skyre). Also summoned Nocturnal wasn't able to kill 1 of the nightingales so my char got enslaved by SD+. This was with some old version of SLAV.... Which brings up this: you should rename your mod to Shout Like A Virgin E---------something (eternally?)

[VirginMarie]

The fires in Nocturnal's place near the cages kill PC real fast on legendary difficulty (with Skyre).

stay out of the fires But on a serious note, you can navigate through there without any damage. Or are you finding it not possible?

Also summoned Nocturnal wasn't able to kill 1 of the nightingales so my char got enslaved by SD+.

Are you trying to tell me the enemies in there are too tough? I actually agree but have yet to figure out how to tone them down... an aspect of CK I don't yet understand. Do you know how?

 This was with some old version of SLAV....the 2 items above have not changed

 Which brings up this: you should rename your mod to Shout Like A Virgin E---------something (eternally?)

I think this is meant to be a joke, but since I'm an innocent virgin, it's going over my head... please explain

 

[nooblet123]

 

The fires in Nocturnal's place near the cages kill PC real fast on legendary difficulty (with Skyre).

stay out of the fires But on a serious note, you can navigate through there without any damage. Or are you finding it not possible?

Also summoned Nocturnal wasn't able to kill 1 of the nightingales so my char got enslaved by SD+.

Are you trying to tell me the enemies in there are too tough? I actually agree but have yet to figure out how to tone them down... an aspect of CK I don't yet understand. Do you know how?

 This was with some old version of SLAV....the 2 items above have not changed

 Which brings up this: you should rename your mod to Shout Like A Virgin E---------something (eternally?)

I think this is meant to be a joke, but since I'm an innocent virgin, it's going over my head... please explain

Yeah it's possible to avoid the fire, just sometimes when you die in them it screws up daymoyl and it has to be reset in MCM. But then Skyre is brutal.

 

Shout Like A Virgin with 1 extra word starting with "E" would have an acronym of SLAVE .

 

[VirginMarie]

 

 

The fires in Nocturnal's place near the cages kill PC real fast on legendary difficulty (with Skyre).

stay out of the fires But on a serious note, you can navigate through there without any damage. Or are you finding it not possible?

Also summoned Nocturnal wasn't able to kill 1 of the nightingales so my char got enslaved by SD+.

Are you trying to tell me the enemies in there are too tough? I actually agree but have yet to figure out how to tone them down... an aspect of CK I don't yet understand. Do you know how?

 This was with some old version of SLAV....the 2 items above have not changed

 Which brings up this: you should rename your mod to Shout Like A Virgin E---------something (eternally?)

I think this is meant to be a joke, but since I'm an innocent virgin, it's going over my head... please explain

Yeah it's possible to avoid the fire, just sometimes when you die in them it screws up daymoyl and it has to be reset in MCM. But then Skyre is brutal.

 

Shout Like A Virgin with 1 extra word starting with "E" would have an acronym of SLAVE .

 

 

Ya well the day I thought of Shout Like a Virgin, I liked that SLAV already, in a subtle way, is Slave. That's good enough But I call this mod just "Virgin" myself. The prefix I use everywhere is Virgin, not SLaV. There will be none if this renaming going on! now goooo! behave yourself.

[GiantTiger]

Nice update!

 

BTW, onething really bug me that the ankle chain still in gold when the rest of the chain device are in diffrent color. Are there a way to change the texture of the ankle chain to look like the other?

[VirginMarie]

Nice update!

 

BTW, onething really bug me that the ankle chain still in gold when the rest of the chain device are in diffrent color. Are there a way to change the texture of the ankle chain to look like the other?

 

I knew this would be asked! It bugs me too, but only when I'm in the mood for chains. There's a whole gold theme you can do too, and that needs the gold option. What's needed is both colors. I do have a different, non-gold, secret unique thing coming that fits better, but a month out. Maybe I will in the meantime make a copy version of the current gold that's sooner too.

[GiantTiger]

 

Nice update!

 

BTW, onething really bug me that the ankle chain still in gold when the rest of the chain device are in diffrent color. Are there a way to change the texture of the ankle chain to look like the other?

 

I knew this would be asked! It bugs me too, but only when I'm in the mood for chains. There's a whole gold theme you can do too, and that needs the gold option. What's needed is both colors. I do have a different, non-gold, secret unique thing coming that fits better, but a month out. Maybe I will in the meantime make a copy version of the current gold that's sooner too.

 

 

Ha! All I need to do is remove the alternate textures in TESEdit and the color goes back to original, i'm not too fond of the gold theme, everything is perfect now .

 

 

[Nazzzgul666]

One thought about daymoyl and your own death alternative: daymoyl is at least meant as a framework, it should be easy to add your mod as a possible outcome (the only one without SD+) for deaths. Since they made a lot of fixes recently that might be intresting, at least it would allow to use this feature together with other mods like SD+ and defeat.

[VirginMarie]

One thought about daymoyl and your own death alternative: daymoyl is at least meant as a framework, it should be easy to add your mod as a possible outcome (the only one without SD+) for deaths. Since they made a lot of fixes recently that might be intresting, at least it would allow to use this feature together with other mods like SD+ and defeat.

 

My intent is to have a super light weight very simple, alternative - alternative death. It's working very cleanly.

 

Every time I try to use that other stuff, including very recently with new versions, stuff is so complex it just makes a mess of my game. I can't even begin to look for ways to try and be more compatible with them, as I can't find a stable baseline to even test from, and re-pro things. IMO it does not work cleanly, not even close. 

 

If you want defeat style DA going on. Turn this mod's DA off. If you want Nocturnal saving your ass, turn the other stuff off. It's that simple. There's really little point to integrating them anyhow.

 

EDIT: sorry, that sounds harsh. I'm just getting frustrated lately by the challenges of mods working with other mods. People don't realize how hard it is to actually do.