toys Shout Like a Virgin Evolved LE

*VirginMarie* · September 22, 2016

Multi orgasm now applies a bonus to thuum of love's cooldown time

Oh ya... that's what I'm talking about. I think it could be a big benefit, but not permanent (like the waterfall walk on water). Once it wears off, you need to spank another thief. Maybe each time a thief is spanked, if you orgasm, your cooldown is cut in half, for 1hr, and this super potent orgasm will last for 2 game days?

bring your companion back to life

This is intriguing too, but when does a companion ever die? Aren't all followers essential?

As far as I'm aware only Serana is essential. Everyone else CAN die. Some followers you have to complete faction quests in order for them to be able to die, such as Aela and Farkas. Usually you have to be the one that blows them up with a stray fireball and some such because the things that you are fighting switch their attention to you when the companion goes down.

Looked it up in CK. The vanilla followers are "Protected" not essential. This is the definition of protected:

Protected actors are treated as essential to all damage except that delivered by the player. The player is the only one allowed to kill a Protected actor.

Love the idea but I think it getting used would be too rare. I can literally never remember a follower of mine dead, so I'd never get to use the feature.

Not sure because i almost never use a follower anyway, i think i've read that the mercenaries like Jenesta aren't protected, i know one of my followers died once, but... can't remember who or if he/she was vanilla.

But a little first step reward could be: heal your follower via sex. Not necessary or important, but should be easy to do, afaik unique and a nice addon.

I always end up annoyed by my followers once their lack of AI makes them seem stupid, and so then I dismiss them and tell them to take a hike. I'd rather love them to death instead of health

That's why I made Nocturnal have a "I'm not your follower" attitude and she does not stick around. So my favourite follower is Nocturnal... of course.

Now for a new idea....

I think possibly the thing that annoys me the most, is wolves biting at your horse's heels when you are trying to ride along. They piss me off... sooo annoying. So I've been trying to think of an ability that allows you to do something about it. Your horse is orgasmic and stuns them? lol... no that does not sound right

lucieanderson · September 22, 2016

Phew, this thread/mod is alive! Awesome to see ...

The only downside of this rapid release shedule is having no time to even begin describing all the cool features you're putting out there for all of us ^^.

So let's start with the not so latest feature - Death Alternative feature: I really like it, especially the punishing collar after the save, so much fun to struggle around in it. Now the ONLY problem with that collar is ... more different punishing devices, moar ... please?!

Just installing the latest version to see the healing multi-orgasms in action, very intrigued by that feature/idea.

As for the point of having this mods DA feature working with the other mods like Defeat/DAYMOL: It would be great to have them all, I personally like the extra features from Defeat, like being able to interact with sleeping/dead targets (knock them out, have stealth kills, and so forth)
Another neat part about Defeat is the interaction your companion can have inside and outside of DA situations, your companion being able to save you and even interfere with rape scenes ... also letting them even be actors themselves is very interesting.
I only installed DAYMOL for its requirement for SD+, but as having been said it really is more of a framework ...
Right now I will drop all of those for the fun I'm having with this mod for the time being ... let's see how the compatibility will play out later

Oh and for the idea of more devices:

The workout gag: first tought was "This thing is so cool", second thought "I want something similar for the other two openings aswell". No idea how much of a struggle that would be to create ...

Navigating through the fires without getting hit seems okay, just have to tiptoe abit more carefully there

The nightingale guards are indeed quite tough, even without any gameplay mods installed. I did not find them frustratingly too tough though.

Oh and btw the issue with the bodysilde files was a false alarm ... seems after upgrading bodyslide to the latest version, and resliding all the files, everything is fine

Back to more shouting ^^

*VirginMarie* · September 22, 2016

I have a couple of ideas or #3 or #4.

After X amount (no idea what a good number would be) of shrines loved the Gods grant you the ability, through orgasm, to bring your companion back to life.

After retrieving the statue X amount of time (whatever you think appropriate) the Goddess of beauty has decided to give you an incentive to orgasm (the better to trick you into losing your virginity!). Multi orgasm now applies a bonus to thuum of love's cooldown time. Or if you think it a bit better, multi orgasm now provides increased health, magica and stamina regeneration for a short time, probably around 60 seconds.

Multi orgasm now applies a bonus to thuum of love's cooldown time

Oh ya... that's what I'm talking about. I think it could be a big benefit, but not permanent (like the waterfall walk on water). Once it wears off, you need to spank another thief. Maybe each time a thief is spanked, if you orgasm, your cooldown is cut in half, for 1hr, and this super potent orgasm will last for 2 game days?

Darn I think I've found a flaw with this idea.

I was testing the "Delayed Orgasm Interrupt SL Animation, or vice Versa" fix, using the love shout to try and interrupt the delayed orgasm and vice versa. That works great, but what I realized while doing this is I can keep on triggering the different loving without any delay in waiting on a cooldown, other than maybe a few seconds sometimes. Never more than 5 seconds unless I've ended a SL Animation early with the end key. And I have my SL animations on very short stage times setup.

So in other words, the Love Shout cool down would need to first be increased in order to get any real benefit of a decrease. And I'm not sure I'd want to nerf that cool down.

I wonder if we can think of some other improvement in "power" of the love shout?

Greater range? - No this is bad it would "agro" enemies out of range and that's not better
More damage? - I don't think I've left room for that when you consider word 3
Instant death? - Already get that as a virgin if you have word 3. It could be instant death without being a virgin, temporarily. This DOES fit for Thief spanking or shrine love, since Dibella does not want you to keep your virginity
Something else?

*VirginMarie* · September 22, 2016

Phew, this thread/mod is alive! Awesome to see ...

The only downside of this rapid release shedule is having no time to even begin describing all the cool features you're putting out there for all of us ^^.

So let's start with the not so latest feature - Death Alternative feature: I really like it, especially the punishing collar after the save, so much fun to struggle around in it. Now the ONLY problem with that collar is ... more different punishing devices, moar ... please?!

I have plans to put a different punishing collar on you. It will be when you fail to report in.

This will be instead of Nocturnal just showing up and dragging your ass home (and will fix that fact that the act of doing that can break other mods - like if you are in a CD cage).

You will instead need to "submit" to her by voluntarily returning, unless you want to be stuck in the collar forever. The punishing effect will increase overtime so that eventually, not submitting is futile. The collar asset it self looks even nastier than the first one.

Just installing the latest version to see the healing multi-orgasms in action, very intrigued by that feature/idea.

As for the point of having this mods DA feature working with the other mods like Defeat/DAYMOL: It would be great to have them all, I personally like the extra features from Defeat, like being able to interact with sleeping/dead targets (knock them out, have stealth kills, and so forth)

Another neat part about Defeat is the interaction your companion can have inside and outside of DA situations, your companion being able to save you and even interfere with rape scenes ... also letting them even be actors themselves is very interesting.

I only installed DAYMOL for its requirement for SD+, but as having been said it really is more of a framework ... its a bad, unstable, feature lacking, framework, imo. And it even interferes with the job you want to do because it also does it. I will never integrate with DAYMOL... this is the problem. The secondary problem is that I want to keep this feature simple and stay out of the complexities that these others have fallen into that make them unstable

Right now I will drop all of those for the fun I'm having with this mod for the time being ... let's see how the compatibility will play out later keep in mind you can always use those mods, and turn off Virgin's DA. You can do this mid game too with Virgin (not sure if that's ok with the others). Sorry I can't easily offer that you can have your cake and eat it too

Oh and for the idea of more devices:

The workout gag: first tought was "This thing is so cool", second thought "I want something similar for the other two openings aswell". No idea how much of a struggle that would be to create ...

Device assets are all from other mod authors. You can see in my main page Credits. The workout gag is from Zaz. You should go inspire these mod authors to make those devices. I don't have that skill set. Zaz is not active. The most active right now seems to be theFirstHeretic's Heretical Resources

Navigating through the fires without getting hit seems okay, just have to tiptoe abit more carefully there

The nightingale guards are indeed quite tough, even without any gameplay mods installed. I did not find them frustratingly too tough though. I love shout them to death once I get the first word. Before that I just run past them. Well not to death but I can sure soften them up.

Oh and btw the issue with the bodysilde files was a false alarm ... seems after upgrading bodyslide to the latest version, and resliding all the files, everything is fine

Great.. are you UUNP? I'm less confident about UUNP since I test mostly with CBBE, so wanting UUNP feedback.

Back to more shouting ^^

lucieanderson · September 22, 2016

Phew, this thread/mod is alive! Awesome to see ...

The only downside of this rapid release shedule is having no time to even begin describing all the cool features you're putting out there for all of us ^^.

So let's start with the not so latest feature - Death Alternative feature: I really like it, especially the punishing collar after the save, so much fun to struggle around in it. Now the ONLY problem with that collar is ... more different punishing devices, moar ... please?!

I have plans to put a different punishing collar on you. It will be when you fail to report in.

This will be instead of Nocturnal just showing up and dragging your ass home (and will fix that fact that the act of doing that can break other mods - like if you are in a CD cage).

You will instead need to "submit" to her by voluntarily returning, unless you want to be stuck in the collar forever. The punishing effect will increase overtime so that eventually, not submitting is futile. The collar asset it self looks even nastier than the first one.

The new collar sounds great, looking forward to trying it on ...

Just installing the latest version to see the healing multi-orgasms in action, very intrigued by that feature/idea.

As for the point of having this mods DA feature working with the other mods like Defeat/DAYMOL: It would be great to have them all, I personally like the extra features from Defeat, like being able to interact with sleeping/dead targets (knock them out, have stealth kills, and so forth)

Another neat part about Defeat is the interaction your companion can have inside and outside of DA situations, your companion being able to save you and even interfere with rape scenes ... also letting them even be actors themselves is very interesting.

I only installed DAYMOL for its requirement for SD+, but as having been said it really is more of a framework ... its a bad, unstable, feature lacking, framework, imo. And it even interferes with the job you want to do because it also does it. I will never integrate with DAYMOL... this is the problem. The secondary problem is that I want to keep this feature simple and stay out of the complexities that these others have fallen into that make them unstable

I can understand that, only installed DAYMOL for SD+ to be honest, was happy with just Defeat before that.

Right now I will drop all of those for the fun I'm having with this mod for the time being ... let's see how the compatibility will play out later keep in mind you can always use those mods, and turn off Virgin's DA. You can do this mid game too with Virgin (not sure if that's ok with the others). Sorry I can't easily offer that you can have your cake and eat it too

Yes I did see the MCM option for your DA feature, but I want to use right now, so we are fine for now

Oh and for the idea of more devices:

The workout gag: first tought was "This thing is so cool", second thought "I want something similar for the other two openings aswell". No idea how much of a struggle that would be to create ...

Device assets are all from other mod authors. You can see in my main page Credits. The workout gag is from Zaz. You should go inspire these mod authors to make those devices. I don't have that skill set. Zaz is not active. The most active right now seems to be theFirstHeretic's Heretical Resources

Navigating through the fires without getting hit seems okay, just have to tiptoe abit more carefully there

The nightingale guards are indeed quite tough, even without any gameplay mods installed. I did not find them frustratingly too tough though. I love shout them to death once I get the first word. Before that I just run past them. Well not to death but I can sure soften them up.

Now that I think of it, that does seem like the obvious choice for weapons, and I was exchanging loooong ass sniperbow salves with them, haha.

Oh and btw the issue with the bodysilde files was a false alarm ... seems after upgrading bodyslide to the latest version, and resliding all the files, everything is fine

Great.. are you UUNP? I'm less confident about UUNP since I test mostly with CBBE, so wanting UUNP feedback.

Yes, am using the UUNP package and works fine for me. Only thing was the missing slider preset options for the outfits ... I was able to add those with the group manager tool inside bodyslide though.

GroupManager->AddGroup "Unified UNP" ->Use the <<Add-Button on the virgin devices from the right list -> save as "choose a name you like"

Back to more shouting ^^

*VirginMarie* · September 22, 2016

Teasers for next release...

Yes, am using the UUNP package and works fine for me. Only thing was the missing slider preset options for the outfits ... I was able to add those with the group manager tool inside bodyslide though.

GroupManager->AddGroup "Unified UNP" ->Use the <<Add-Button on the virgin devices from the right list -> save as "choose a name you like"

There's a volunteer working on this. Does the lack of the slider thing mess/break things, or more of a extra feature deal? Wondering how critical to get it out there for people.

Have you tried the Nipple Guard? It's slot changed so I was worried about that one. Has always been the most problematic device as its weirdly setup.

lucieanderson · September 22, 2016

Nocturnal means business with that collar, I see

About the UUNP Slider thing, sorry to cause confusion. It is not an important detail for the sliderfiles to actually work. They simply don't have the data included by default (the stuff I added manually with the groupmanager from bodyslide). I could not selet any standard builtin presets (like 7B Natural, UNP, etc.) from the dropdown menu without that addition I wrote. The sliders still work, but w/o a preset you would have to manually move each and every single slider to your liking, so it is just a minor convenience addition to the bodyslide-files. Nothing that breaks functionality.

So TL:DR - the sliders do work, just no preset selection without the data/info tied to the files (as written in my last post), atleast that was the case for me ...

To add another low priority thing to your list: Nocturnal is bald under that hood, any way of giving her some hair? (I know it is probably tied to the outfits and not easy to solve, since so many clothing mods suffer from the same issue ...)

*VirginMarie* · September 23, 2016

To add another low priority thing to your list: Nocturnal is bald under that hood, any way of giving her some hair? (I know it is probably tied to the outfits and not easy to solve, since so many clothing mods suffer from the same issue ...)

Do you mean if she's disrobed and involved in loving, she's bald for you? (that should not be possible)

Or do you mean she's looking bald under there, just when wearing the hood?

That outfit is the vanilla Nocturnal outfit by the way. And she's the vanilla actor too.

Nocturnal means business with that collar, I see

Ya she's not taking any crap from you guys. Not going to report in huh? You WILL submit!

Drek71 · September 23, 2016

Have yet to try the latest version but what I noticed and found annoying is the vibration on the chastity devices, I cant begin to tell you how annoying that is for me and I know for others because I have seen it in forums before, when casting spells being dragged into some sex scene mid battle. End result is I usually have to unequip the item just so my character can function which kinda subtracts from your mods experience. Could you please remove that particular feature or make it optional.

*VirginMarie* · September 23, 2016

Have yet to try the latest version but what I noticed and found annoying is the vibration on the chastity devices, I cant begin to tell you how annoying that is for me and I know for others because I have seen it in forums before, when casting spells being dragged into some sex scene mid battle. End result is I usually have to unequip the item just so my character can function which kinda subtracts from your mods experience. Could you please remove that particular feature or make it optional.

You can already tone down the event or the sound level.

The vibration is from a Virgin Nipple Device, or from a Virgin Anal device, or some device from another mod.

Any effect not already adjustable in this mod's MCM, is controlled entirely by Devious Devices.

In Devious Devices MCM, Event Tab, you can adjust everything. There's an event for Vibrations.

The catch is, you cannot access those options if wearing any devious device. Need to do so before you get equipped.

There's also a Sound Tab in DD MCM. If it's just the sound you want to turn down or off use that feature. It can be used even when already equipped.

EDIT:

when casting spells being dragged into some sex scene mid battle

I'm not sure what this part refers to, but does not sound like it's related to vibrations or DD effects. Are you talking about this mod's Delayed Orgasm? Or some other mod dragging you into sex?

If it's Delayed Orgasm, you can turn that down or off in this mod's MCM.

Nazzzgul666 · September 23, 2016

Now for a new idea....

I think possibly the thing that annoys me the most, is wolves biting at your horse's heels when you are trying to ride along. They piss me off... sooo annoying. So I've been trying to think of an ability that allows you to do something about it. Your horse is orgasmic and stuns them? lol... no that does not sound right

There is somebody who makes creatures on creatures animations... your horse could maybe fuck them to death, but if you're in a hurry, that wouldn't exactly be an improvement.

I can search the thread to see what animations exist, if you're intrested. I'm pretty sure wolf on wolf is there... so maybe just make them horny? Although i have to say, imho sabrecats and bears are much worse than wolves... i can easily ignore the wolves and sprint away, the cats will kill my horse.

And there is a mod which allows you to shout while riding, a shout to conjure local defenders would be another solution with combination of this mod. Maybe different animals for different daedras, starting with a dog from clavicus. But it would be one more requirement...

Stun doesn't sound bad either, though.

Something different: Again, not sure how it happened, but i don't get an option/task to be reborn anymore. I believe it's because i've been able to stay a virgin once, Nocturnal forgave me oral. Since then i got a new counter for reporting in, no matter if i finish a daedra or just report in, i've tried with Molag Bal.

It might be fixed now after finishing Molag Bal, at least when starting Hircine, i didn't get a new counter so far. Maybe i can become a virgin again when i finished that quest, but i think that "what happens when vrginity not lost" needs a second look, maybe anybody else can confirm that something's wrong here? I've upgraded once or even twice in this time... so that might be a reason too and it has nothing to do with virginity. Or a combination. Or maybe it happens only for this daedra?

Drek71 · September 23, 2016

Have yet to try the latest version but what I noticed and found annoying is the vibration on the chastity devices, I cant begin to tell you how annoying that is for me and I know for others because I have seen it in forums before, when casting spells being dragged into some sex scene mid battle. End result is I usually have to unequip the item just so my character can function which kinda subtracts from your mods experience. Could you please remove that particular feature or make it optional.

You can already tone down the event or the sound level.

The vibration is from a Virgin Nipple Device, or from a Virgin Anal device, or some device from another mod.

Any effect not already adjustable in this mod's MCM, is controlled entirely by Devious Devices.

In Devious Devices MCM, Event Tab, you can adjust everything. There's an event for Vibrations.

The catch is, you cannot access those options if wearing any devious device. Need to do so before you get equipped.

There's also a Sound Tab in DD MCM. If it's just the sound you want to turn down or off use that feature. It can be used even when already equipped.

EDIT:

when casting spells being dragged into some sex scene mid battle

I'm not sure what this part refers to, but does not sound like it's related to vibrations or DD effects. Are you talking about this mod's Delayed Orgasm? Or some other mod dragging you into sex?

If it's Delayed Orgasm, you can turn that down or off in this mod's MCM.

The chains piercings and strapon are acting like soul gems plugs so when you cast a spell you get the vibration effect, this usually leads to a prolonged, (depending on the strength of the spell) self grope which can lead to masturbation mid battle. Not lethal to the character as most the time the battle stops and waits for you to finish or npc's will ignore you and continue to fight each other. I only noticed the effect on upgrading to the last version before that the piercings didn't seem to have the effect. I will install the latest version soon and turn down the DD options as you suggested, so ill get back to you if that works.

Meanwhile....

Ok after testing it out and setting every option in DD to 0 its still in effect so I'm guessing its part of the items properties

*VirginMarie* · September 23, 2016

Now for a new idea....

I think possibly the thing that annoys me the most, is wolves biting at your horse's heels when you are trying to ride along. They piss me off... sooo annoying. So I've been trying to think of an ability that allows you to do something about it. Your horse is orgasmic and stuns them? lol... no that does not sound right

There is somebody who makes creatures on creatures animations... your horse could maybe fuck them to death, but if you're in a hurry, that wouldn't exactly be an improvement.

I can search the thread to see what animations exist, if you're intrested. I'm pretty sure wolf on wolf is there... so maybe just make them horny? Although i have to say, imho sabrecats and bears are much worse than wolves... i can easily ignore the wolves and sprint away, the cats will kill my horse.

No way I'm expanding on creature loving stuff. I hope my husband does not read this and try and talk me into it It's his fault Thu'um of Love supports creatures.

And there is a mod which allows you to shout while riding, a shout to conjure local defenders would be another solution with combination of this mod. Maybe different animals for different daedras, starting with a dog from clavicus. But it would be one more requirement...

Stun doesn't sound bad either, though.

Being able to use Thu'um of Love while on your horse would do it, as is. I'd not require the mod that allows shouting on horseback, I'd learn how to do it and build it in. What's the name of this mod?

Something different: Again, not sure how it happened, but i don't get an option/task to be reborn anymore. I believe it's because i've been able to stay a virgin once, Nocturnal forgave me oral. Since then i got a new counter for reporting in, no matter if i finish a daedra or just report in, i've tried with Molag Bal. This is working as intended. You never go directly to rebirth after reporting in. If you were bad you get punished, then start a new cycle with a new Deadric. If still a virgin, no punishment, you get the new Daedric. When you then complete the new Daedric and worship the new shrine, in both cases, that's when you get another rebirth

It might be fixed now after finishing Molag Bal, at least when starting Hircine, i didn't get a new counter so far. Maybe i can become a virgin again when i finished that quest, but i think that "what happens when vrginity not lost" needs a second look, My slave tester and I (mostly I since he's always bad), have tested this lots and lots. Let me know if it's not behaving as above. There could be something wrong but it's not like the scenario was forgotten maybe anybody else can confirm that something's wrong here? I've upgraded once or even twice in this time... so that might be a reason too and it has nothing to do with virginity. Or a combination. Or maybe it happens only for this daedra?

*VirginMarie* · September 23, 2016

Have yet to try the latest version but what I noticed and found annoying is the vibration on the chastity devices, I cant begin to tell you how annoying that is for me and I know for others because I have seen it in forums before, when casting spells being dragged into some sex scene mid battle. End result is I usually have to unequip the item just so my character can function which kinda subtracts from your mods experience. Could you please remove that particular feature or make it optional.

You can already tone down the event or the sound level.

The vibration is from a Virgin Nipple Device, or from a Virgin Anal device, or some device from another mod.

Any effect not already adjustable in this mod's MCM, is controlled entirely by Devious Devices.

In Devious Devices MCM, Event Tab, you can adjust everything. There's an event for Vibrations.

The catch is, you cannot access those options if wearing any devious device. Need to do so before you get equipped.

There's also a Sound Tab in DD MCM. If it's just the sound you want to turn down or off use that feature. It can be used even when already equipped.

EDIT:

when casting spells being dragged into some sex scene mid battle

I'm not sure what this part refers to, but does not sound like it's related to vibrations or DD effects. Are you talking about this mod's Delayed Orgasm? Or some other mod dragging you into sex?

If it's Delayed Orgasm, you can turn that down or off in this mod's MCM.

The chains piercings and strapon are acting like soul gems plugs so when you cast a spell you get the vibration effect, this usually leads to a prolonged, (depending on the strength of the spell) self grope which can lead to masturbation mid battle. Not lethal to the character as most the time the battle stops and waits for you to finish or npc's will ignore you and continue to fight each other. I only noticed the effect on upgrading to the last version before that the piercings didn't seem to have the effect. I will install the latest version soon and turn down the DD options as you suggested, so ill get back to you if that works.

Meanwhile....

Ok after testing it out and setting every option in DD to 0 its still in effect so I'm guessing its part of the items properties

This specific vibration effect comes from any of the 3 Virgin Anal devices. I can see why you are led to believe otherwise read on.

I've tested this in game:

Test 1 - only a chastity device

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Chastity Devices, or a basic Iron Chastity Belt from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

No Vibration effect

Test 2 - only an anal device

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Anal Devices, or a basic Plug (Soulgem) from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

No Vibration effect

Test 3 - both devices

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Anal Devices, or a basic Plug (Soulgem) from DD

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Chastity Devices, or a basic Iron Chastity Belt from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

Vibration effect activates every time

So in order to get the vibration effect, you need an anal device equipped (also vaginal plugs will do it but none from this mod), AND any chastity device must be equipped. The DD mod probably behaves this way because the plugs are not really meant to stay in if you don't have a chastity device on.

All of the above is entirely controlled by DDi.

If you want to ask the DD devs to change things, you would want to tell them this....

All Virgin Anal Devices use the following key words:

zad_EffectVibrateOnSpellCast

Zad_EffectVibratingWeak

Test 4

I tried turning the Vibrations effect off in DD Events Tab. You are correct, this has no effect. I was surprised to find this... this is one new thing I learned today. Perhaps the feature is only intended to turn off vibration from other items like Nipple devices.

So in conclusion, in order to give you want you want...

If not in Virgin Training.... don't wear an anal device
If in Virgin training... nothing you can do

I could include an Anal device that does not have the effects on it. Do you have a favourite anal device you'd like to see used?

Nazzzgul666 · September 23, 2016

Now for a new idea....

I think possibly the thing that annoys me the most, is wolves biting at your horse's heels when you are trying to ride along. They piss me off... sooo annoying. So I've been trying to think of an ability that allows you to do something about it. Your horse is orgasmic and stuns them? lol... no that does not sound right

There is somebody who makes creatures on creatures animations... your horse could maybe fuck them to death, but if you're in a hurry, that wouldn't exactly be an improvement.

I can search the thread to see what animations exist, if you're intrested. I'm pretty sure wolf on wolf is there... so maybe just make them horny? Although i have to say, imho sabrecats and bears are much worse than wolves... i can easily ignore the wolves and sprint away, the cats will kill my horse.

No way I'm expanding on creature loving stuff. I hope my husband does not read this and try and talk me into it It's his fault Thu'um of Love supports creatures.

I thought creatures on creatures without any humans involved might be something different, i'd say wolf on wolf is very natural. Although i admit that werewolf on rabbit looked quite cruel.

And there is a mod which allows you to shout while riding, a shout to conjure local defenders would be another solution with combination of this mod. Maybe different animals for different daedras, starting with a dog from clavicus. But it would be one more requirement...

Stun doesn't sound bad either, though.

Being able to use Thu'um of Love while on your horse would do it, as is. I'd not require the mod that allows shouting on horseback, I'd learn how to do it and build it in. What's the name of this mod?

Uhh.. i can't remember right now. I still know that it was more by "accident" than intended, i'll try to find it again. There is a mod on nexus which allows casting while riding, this should allow shouting as well, if you are in a hurry: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/17703/?

Something different: Again, not sure how it happened, but i don't get an option/task to be reborn anymore. I believe it's because i've been able to stay a virgin once, Nocturnal forgave me oral. Since then i got a new counter for reporting in, no matter if i finish a daedra or just report in, i've tried with Molag Bal. This is working as intended. You never go directly to rebirth after reporting in. If you were bad you get punished, then start a new cycle with a new Deadric. If still a virgin, no punishment, you get the new Daedric. When you then complete the new Daedric and worship the new shrine, in both cases, that's when you get another rebirth

It might be fixed now after finishing Molag Bal, at least when starting Hircine, i didn't get a new counter so far. Maybe i can become a virgin again when i finished that quest, but i think that "what happens when vrginity not lost" needs a second look, My slave tester and I (mostly I since he's always bad), have tested this lots and lots. Let me know if it's not behaving as above. There could be something wrong but it's not like the scenario was forgotten

Molag Bal was already the new daedra and i wasn't reborn after that, but you provided 2 updates while i did only this quest... it worked with the next one, though. If you say that's already properly tested, i guess that was a thing. maybe anybody else can confirm that something's wrong here? I've upgraded once or even twice in this time... so that might be a reason too and it has nothing to do with virginity. Or a combination. Or maybe it happens only for this daedra?

mercplatypus · September 23, 2016

This specific vibration effect comes from any of the 3 Virgin Anal devices. I can see why you are led to believe otherwise read on.

I've tested this in game:

Test 1 - only a chastity device

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Chastity Devices, or a basic Iron Chastity Belt from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

No Vibration effect

Test 2 - only an anal device

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Anal Devices, or a basic Plug (Soulgem) from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

No Vibration effect

Test 3 - both devices

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Anal Devices, or a basic Plug (Soulgem) from DD

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Chastity Devices, or a basic Iron Chastity Belt from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

Vibration effect activates every time

So in order to get the vibration effect, you need an anal device equipped (also vaginal plugs will do it but none from this mod), AND any chastity device must be equipped. The DD mod probably behaves this way because the plugs are not really meant to stay in if you don't have a chastity device on.

All of the above is entirely controlled by DDi.

If you want to ask the DD devs to change things, you would want to tell them this....

All Virgin Anal Devices use the following key words:

zad_EffectVibrateOnSpellCast

Zad_EffectVibratingWeak

Test 4

I tried turning the Vibrations effect off in DD Events Tab. You are correct, this has no effect. I was surprised to find this... this is one new thing I learned today. Perhaps the feature is only intended to turn off vibration from other items like Nipple devices.

So in conclusion, in order to give you want you want...

If not in Virgin Training.... don't wear an anal device

If in Virgin training... nothing you can do

I could include an Anal device that does not have the effects on it. Do you have a favourite anal device you'd like to see used?

I almost exclusively play magic using characters and the vibration thing is one of the primary reasons why I refused to use any DD mods for a very long time. In Virgin it comes specifically from the anal equipment and nipple equipment while in other mods it comes from plugs, both vaginal and anal, and nipple/vaginal piercings.

The sound doesn't bother me enough to have ever looked at it but I did notice a substantial decrease in causing my character to stop and randomly fondle herself when I disabled hardcore effects in DDI's MCM tab. It has also gotten better with each DDI update.

With virgin I do still on rarer occasions have my character stop to fondle herself in the middle of a fight when something weird happens with delayed orgasm but I attribute that to other things causing a conflict and not Virgin itself.

I did see a while back some serious discussion on the DDI page about the vibration effects because of how irksome it is for any magic using character. I don't think I saw any serious discussion of ever doing away with the vibration effect. If it does get removed it probably will have to be from designing a device that does not include the feature in Virgin itself.

*VirginMarie* · September 23, 2016

This specific vibration effect comes from any of the 3 Virgin Anal devices. I can see why you are led to believe otherwise read on.

I've tested this in game:

Test 1 - only a chastity device

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Chastity Devices, or a basic Iron Chastity Belt from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

No Vibration effect

Test 2 - only an anal device

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Anal Devices, or a basic Plug (Soulgem) from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

No Vibration effect

Test 3 - both devices

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Anal Devices, or a basic Plug (Soulgem) from DD

Equip any of the 3 Virgin Chastity Devices, or a basic Iron Chastity Belt from DD

Cast basic fire spell, using up all of mana on level 1 character

Vibration effect activates every time

So in order to get the vibration effect, you need an anal device equipped (also vaginal plugs will do it but none from this mod), AND any chastity device must be equipped. The DD mod probably behaves this way because the plugs are not really meant to stay in if you don't have a chastity device on.

All of the above is entirely controlled by DDi.

If you want to ask the DD devs to change things, you would want to tell them this....

All Virgin Anal Devices use the following key words:

zad_EffectVibrateOnSpellCast

Zad_EffectVibratingWeak

Test 4

I tried turning the Vibrations effect off in DD Events Tab. You are correct, this has no effect. I was surprised to find this... this is one new thing I learned today. Perhaps the feature is only intended to turn off vibration from other items like Nipple devices.

So in conclusion, in order to give you want you want...

If not in Virgin Training.... don't wear an anal device

If in Virgin training... nothing you can do

I could include an Anal device that does not have the effects on it. Do you have a favourite anal device you'd like to see used?

I almost exclusively play magic using characters and the vibration thing is one of the primary reasons why I refused to use any DD mods for a very long time. In Virgin it comes specifically from the anal equipment and nipple equipment while in other mods it comes from plugs, both vaginal and anal, and nipple/vaginal piercings.

The sound doesn't bother me enough to have ever looked at it but I did notice a substantial decrease in causing my character to stop and randomly fondle herself when I disabled hardcore effects in DDI's MCM tab. It has also gotten better with each DDI update.

With virgin I do still on rarer occasions have my character stop to fondle herself in the middle of a fight when something weird happens with delayed orgasm but I attribute that to other things causing a conflict and not Virgin itself.

I did see a while back some serious discussion on the DDI page about the vibration effects because of how irksome it is for any magic using character. I don't think I saw any serious discussion of ever doing away with the vibration effect. If it does get removed it probably will have to be from designing a device that does not include the feature in Virgin itself.

I don't hardly cast magic so I need this kind of feedback to even realize it's a big deal for casters.

One thing already done that came from caster feedback is the MCM option where you can use shouts to reduce arousal, this way making managing arousal sane. And this arousal is mostly a caster thing and coming from the exact same effect I think. Back then when I added that feature, just removing the effect from the anal devices was not discussed/considered.

I wonder if anyone would care if they lost the feature and I just removed the effect from all existing anal devices? Maybe leave it on one of the 3... the Bell Chain since it's most hardcore with the sounds and jiggling around? If I were to remove from existing Anal devices, which would be your first choice?

Nazzzgul666 · September 23, 2016

I did see a while back some serious discussion on the DDI page about the vibration effects because of how irksome it is for any magic using character. I don't think I saw any serious discussion of ever doing away with the vibration effect. If it does get removed it probably will have to be from designing a device that does not include the feature in Virgin itself.

That the change doesn't have any effect is a point i'd mention, though. That's an important point worth to remember them about, even if it's already mentioned. For me, while using some magic too, it's the cost to stay a virgin... and one of the many reasons, i disappoint Nocturnal often.

Actually i even abuse it: my breasts grow from MME and slow me down after sleeping or stuff, but vibrating nipple piercings force milk dribbling.

So i cast something while running to get my speed back.

For the wolves bite horses problem: After some thinking i was sure it was this funny little mod: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19069/?

But sadly, it only allows fighting, not shouting. On the other hand, it solves this problem in his own kind... which might be considered OP, though. I'm still sure i was shouting while riding a broomstick, but i really don't know if it worked with normal horses and if it was an earlier version of this mod, or another (additional) mod, or even a totally unintended "conflict" between this and another mod.

rjn · September 23, 2016

I wonder if anyone would care if they lost the feature and I just removed the effect from all existing anal devices? Maybe leave it on one of the 3... the Bell Chain since it's most hardcore with the sounds and jiggling around? If I were to remove from existing Anal devices, which would be your first choice?

As a caster-type too, I'd like it if the skeleton key was the one to not have this magic/vibration effect. It's still a challenge to earn the key (my character sheathes her bound sword whenever a vibration animation is played), but it's also the best one to wear long-term for it's lock-picking utility.

Edit: While I'm at it. Could you take off the armor rating for the skeleton key? This also acts as a type of debuff for mages, limiting their protection spells.

Nazzzgul666 · September 23, 2016

I wonder if anyone would care if they lost the feature and I just removed the effect from all existing anal devices? Maybe leave it on one of the 3... the Bell Chain since it's most hardcore with the sounds and jiggling around? If I were to remove from existing Anal devices, which would be your first choice?

As a caster-type too, I'd like it if the skeleton key was the one to not have this magic/vibration effect. It's still a challenge to earn the key (my character sheathes her bound sword whenever a vibration animation is played), but it's also the best one to wear long-term for it's lock-picking utility.

Hmmm, actually i like the vibrations and consequences, except the weapons sheathing. Maybe a good solution would be to keep weapons drawn? Not sure if it can be done, though, and probably the DDi team would need to do that. Sexlab stripping isn't really a good solution here, many sexlab animations look terrible with a weapon out.

Since it's a DDi problem in general and not only this mod is affected, i'd like to see a solution there. The best solution would be working sliders to disable vibrations, and it's obvioulsy a bug that they don't.

*VirginMarie* · September 23, 2016

I wonder if anyone would care if they lost the feature and I just removed the effect from all existing anal devices? Maybe leave it on one of the 3... the Bell Chain since it's most hardcore with the sounds and jiggling around? If I were to remove from existing Anal devices, which would be your first choice?

As a caster-type too, I'd like it if the skeleton key was the one to not have this magic/vibration effect. It's still a challenge to earn the key (my character sheathes her bound sword whenever a vibration animation is played), but it's also the best one to wear long-term for it's lock-picking utility.

Edit: While I'm at it. Could you take off the armor rating for the skeleton key? This also acts as a type of debuff for mages, limiting their protection spells.

Armor rating removed for next release. Did so on the Anal Torch too.

Only the enchantment (for lock picking) is a challenge to get for the Skeleton Key. You can otherwise use it anytime. So would you be suggesting that the effect only come off upon enchantment, or all the time?

I'm thinking I will just remove the effect from both Torch and Skel Key (regardless of enchant), and leave it only on the Bell Chain.

EDIT: but after just reading Nazzzgul666's post, I think there's going to be people disappointed if I do lol

Which takes me back to adding a new anal device without the effect instead of messing with the existing. How about a Soul Gem up your ass? Call it Caster's Delight or something. Eventually figure out some "enchant" to earn for it too.

spadgas · September 23, 2016

you gotta keep the vibrations, please. i love them. they are wonderful.

I admit I don't cast much being stealthy and generally only use it to do healing after a battle, and now I like healing after a battle a whole load more than I used to.

One thing I find tricky is that in the spanking a thief (*blush* you have no idea how much I enjoy that) you ended up nakie but he manages to re-armour very quickly which makes things a wee bit difficult. Am I just far too slow with the keyboard or something?

*VirginMarie* · September 23, 2016

you gotta keep the vibrations, please. i love them. they are wonderful.

I admit I don't cast much being stealthy and generally only use it to do healing after a battle, and now I like healing after a battle a whole load more than I used to.

One thing I find tricky is that in the spanking a thief (*blush* you have no idea how much I enjoy that) you ended up nakie but he manages to re-armour very quickly which makes things a wee bit difficult. Am I just far too slow with the keyboard or something?

Ya I don't want to do anything that's a nerf for people. I'm back to original idea of not touching the existing anal devices, but we can have a "Casters Delight" Anal device that's new.

For the thief, I do two things... 1. Don't let Sexlab strip your weapon in MCM settings, 2. Cast the quick word 1 Thu'um of Love immediately after

Nazzzgul666 · September 23, 2016

you gotta keep the vibrations, please. i love them. they are wonderful.

I admit I don't cast much being stealthy and generally only use it to do healing after a battle, and now I like healing after a battle a whole load more than I used to.

One thing I find tricky is that in the spanking a thief (*blush* you have no idea how much I enjoy that) you ended up nakie but he manages to re-armour very quickly which makes things a wee bit difficult. Am I just far too slow with the keyboard or something?

Ya I don't want to do anything that's a nerf for people. I'm back to original idea of not touching the existing anal devices, but we can have a "Casters Delight" Anal device that's new.

For the thief, I do two things... 1. Don't let Sexlab strip your weapon in MCM settings, 2. Cast the quick word 1 Thu'um of Love immediately after

I always found it funny with the buggy DDi 3.1 that i spanked a thief, was beaten by him and defeat triggered. Because of the DDi overwrite he always spanked me then when wearing the virgin devices

But as a solution to this, maybe you could add a 1-2 seconds stun to the thief after spanking? Or playing something like the bleedout animation for the thief? Many animations look bad with weapons equipped, and changing it every time before spanking... i think there are better ways for our perfect virgin.

Thumbs up for adding some mage plugs instead of changing the old.

*edit: spadgas, you know that SkyUI let you save whole groups of armor? You can define them by making the items favorites, press q, and group items. I have one hotkey for my usual equipment like earrings, armor, boots, gloves and piercings, and one for shield + sword.

Drek71 · September 24, 2016

I wonder if anyone would care if they lost the feature and I just removed the effect from all existing anal devices? Maybe leave it on one of the 3... the Bell Chain since it's most hardcore with the sounds and jiggling around? If I were to remove from existing Anal devices, which would be your first choice?

As a caster-type too, I'd like it if the skeleton key was the one to not have this magic/vibration effect. It's still a challenge to earn the key (my character sheathes her bound sword whenever a vibration animation is played), but it's also the best one to wear long-term for it's lock-picking utility.

Edit: While I'm at it. Could you take off the armor rating for the skeleton key? This also acts as a type of debuff for mages, limiting their protection spells.

Armor rating removed for next release. Did so on the Anal Torch too.

Only the enchantment (for lock picking) is a challenge to get for the Skeleton Key. You can otherwise use it anytime. So would you be suggesting that the effect only come off upon enchantment, or all the time?

I'm thinking I will just remove the effect from both Torch and Skel Key (regardless of enchant), and leave it only on the Bell Chain.

EDIT: but after just reading Nazzzgul666's post, I think there's going to be people disappointed if I do lol

Which takes me back to adding a new anal device without the effect instead of messing with the existing. How about a Soul Gem up your ass? Call it Caster's Delight or something. Eventually figure out some "enchant" to earn for it too.

From what Ive seen of the DD items there have been two effects one where the vibrations are set randomly which the MCM does control and the other is the spell cast, its the spell cast that I would like to see removed but if its not optional then I noticed that most the items seem to come from Heretical Resources which would mean you have a Vaginal Bell at your disposal, so if you kept the anal bell with no vibrations but added the vaginal bell with vibration, people could configure their character to have the bell noise one way or the other.

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