zippy57 Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 only liberal feminist SJW's complain about video games, as has been established
Guest Mogie56 Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 And not one of the games in her "extensive" library is without ASS, Mortal Kombat among them. Oh I get it, she likes "Finishing" those asses. And this dumb cunt wonders why she keeps getting threats all the time Unfuckingbelievable.
Kendo 2 Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 "What would you do with a brain if you had one?" -- Dorthy
Smithnikov Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 nice strawman Well, what am I supposed to think when so many of our new gatekeepers, when confronted with right wing figures that slag on gaming, say that they're just being in character/kidding?
Smithnikov Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 You know what, forget it. Y'all win. I surrender. I'm backing off and shutting up now. This place was supposed to be one of the sanctuaries away from internet politics for me and I fucked that up. Time for me to unfuck it.
Z0mBieP00Nani Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 What's funny to me is she doesn't really have much of an "ass" to begin with..
Princessity Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 I'm just curious why people are so upset over this whole issue, on both sides of it. Kaplan elaborated after his original response that the art team was unsure about using generic poses like this anyways and wanted to use one more suitable for Tracer. It may be standard damage control speak laced with some truth or it could be entirely true, but I know for a fact that it is highly unlikely for large companies like Blizzard to act on impulse. I doubt they made this decision just because one topic blew up on the forums. Like seriously, have you seen bnet forums? People whine about the silliest stuff all day every day. Most of the time they get rightfully ignored. This most likely wasn't even the first topic on that subject. Adding or removing content requires meetings, coordination between departments and proper scheduling. That's why patches come out on the same day across the whole battlenet service, why changes come in bulk rather than on a weekly basis and why certain content ends up pre-patched but disabled initially. They probably had their own reasons for removing Tracer's butt, however silly it may have been and whether or not it matches Kaplan's explanation. But it doesn't matter. I feel like anyone who makes a fuss about this, one way or the other, has too much free time on their hands. It's silly someone even brought up the issue and it's even sillier that people all over the internet started panicking about it. On the other hand, I bet Blizzard's marketing department is ecstatic ^^ They just got so much fresh publicity across social media, word of mouth and major news outlets that their projected earnings must have shot through the roof and knocked a satellite out of orbit.
Kaz Aanh Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 This is all marketing. Now everyone is talking about the Overwatch, and if someone doesn't know about this game he learns about it right now. Best viral marketing ever created. They just waited patiently for topic like this or person behind original complain post was hired by Blizz. They will probly leave this pose untouched or re-patch silently few days/weeks later.
Kamen Rider Kuuga Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 Yeah, I get that they're basically riding this thing now as free PR. It could even be all staged from the get go... but the fact that people would willingly support removing something because it offends them (and damn what everybody else wants) is something I do not abide. Censorship offends me both as somebody who (poorly and not very often) creates content and as a functional human being with a mind of my own. Not only are there people who will more than happily tell me what I can and cannot make, robbing me of my artistic freedom, but it's also a bunch of people who presume that they know better than me, that they know what is best. They disregard my ability to think for myself, to make choices for myself and act for myself. God help me for invoking what has become a buzz word but, censorship ultimately removes my agency. Censorship is, at the end of the day, all about power. As I said, it's a group thinking that they know better than you; they want to mold your world view to something they can control. They can doll it up all they want about morality, but at the end of the day most of what has been codified as morality is also just another means of control. These people want to ensure that only their concept of the world is allowed to exist, and are doing it one piece at a time. This is not me jumping on some bandwagon. I don't give a flying fuck about all the supposed self appointed defenders of what the fuck ever. This is me being angry about what can happen when censorship takes hold and runs rampant, as it's been doing lately in games. This is me being angry at people who assume they can control any and all means of expression, even if it's created by a company for profit by crying offense.
legendarytoyou Posted April 1, 2016 Posted April 1, 2016 Some people just bitch for the sheer sake of bitching. I've learned to drone them out, kind of like that little rat you can't catch but you learn later on its been neutered so you just ignore it. Easy to understand why most people would, but the issue with that is the problem is not gonna simply go away. That little rat might get the idea of playing the victim and gather up all its little rat friends, who then call up the mice and so on, and before you know it you have a front row seat to the all-time biggest rodent orgy the world has ever seen, and guess who is on clean up duty. Sadly very true. It is getting to the point that these little fucks get so butthurt over the tiniest of things that I even fear that LoversLab will be a target for their stupidity. At least we have mutual understanding when it comes to them; "Oh you're offended by these VERY OPTIONAL MODS that you don't have to download? Does the phrase, 'We don't give a flying fuck what you think,' mean anything to you?" That's why I love this site; radical regressive's ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!
zippy57 Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 I'm just curious why people are so upset over this whole issue, on both sides of it.I can't fathom as to why the OP was concerned because their reasoning is horrendous. As for the rest... Kaplan elaborated after his original response that the art team was unsure about using generic poses like this anyways and wanted to use one more suitable for Tracer.This is actually a huge part of it, because the second post is absolutely not an elaboration of the first. He claimed he wanted to make the original post more clear, but then goes from "we removed this to avoid making someone uncomfortable" to "we were always planning to do this". Those are not remotely similar reasons. Consensus actually seems to be that the pose itself is rather bland and placeholder-y, so if it weren't for the very questionable initial reasoning for its removal, most people would probably not disagree. Were the dev to have started his involvement with a simple "yeah, we're already doing that because it's bland", we'd have very little controversy, if any at all. The original response, however, cannot really be interpreted in any fashion other than a direct decision made as a result of the OP's thread, and while that is, perhaps, unlikely, there is no getting around the entirely explicit listing of that being the reasoning. Given the appperance that the OP's post was the reason for the pose's removal, that post and it's rather absurd reasoning comes into play. Beyond the claims that looking over your shoulder is somehow sexual (if anything here could be interpreted as sexual, ignoring that sexualization happens entirely in the individual mind and very few things are actually inherently sexual, it would be Tracer's design which, due to the particular colors and item placement used, can be looked at in such a way as to "frame" her butt; this is naturally an issue with Tracer's character design as a whole and is not in any way relevant to this specific individual pose) it includes claims that the pose is out-of-character, which might be a legitimate argument were it not backed up in a worryingly sex-negative manner (apologies for the self-quote, but I'm too lazy to re-type some stuff from a few pages back): We've got the position that women can only be defined by their sexuality or be entirely non-sexual, and that there's no in-between. We have that strong women cannot be sexy and that sexy women cannot be strong. We have that showing sexuality immediately completely devalues a female character. That fast people can't be sexy. That silly people can't be sexy. Kind people can't be sexy. Good friends can't be sexy. And, obviously, a woman's butt is obscene and should be kept hidden. All of which are just wonderful messages to send to your young daughter, I'm sure.It's also got that "oh no, not again" quality: The absurdity of the actual complaint probably reminds people of similar past absurdities. Such as "video games cause real-world violence". Or, more recently, "equal-opportunity video game violence causes real-world violence against only women". Resident Evil 5 was accused of being racist for depicting mostly black people in Africa. The Witcher 3 was accused of being racist for depicting mostly white people in what was essentially medieval-era Poland. Recently, DOAX3 was accused of not including enough "persons of color", because asians are white now, apparently. "Butts make me uncomfortable, remove them" is just another addition to the annoyingly long string, and the fact that it was actually listened to makes it worse. I feel like anyone who makes a fuss about this, one way or the other, has too much free time on their hands. It's silly someone even brought up the issue and it's even sillier that people all over the internet started panicking about it.First off, making a fuss actually takes very little time when you're doing it on the internet. Second, making your opinion known is generally the best option. I mean, what really is the alternative? How big does a change need to be before it deserves an objection? Isn't objecting to something you disagree with a natural course of action, especially in a forum (in both senses of the term) meant for such objections? I'm not saying this is an earth-shatteringly important situation here, it's not even remotely close, but precedent can come from the weirdest places and a lack of strong objection here will make it seem that there was, well, no strong objection. The last thing you want to give to your "opponents", and I mean this in not just this situation specifically but in any real debate scenario, is a similar situation in which you did not care. On the other hand, I bet Blizzard's marketing department is ecstatic ^^ They just got so much fresh publicity across social media, word of mouth and major news outlets that their projected earnings must have shot through the roof and knocked a satellite out of orbit.I don't really foresee their target market expanding all that much. People who are interested in that type of game almost certainly already know about it, people who aren't interested are unlikely to purchase a game they don't want to play simply because there's been a controversy, and those on the fence were probably waiting to play it first so this won't matter to them. On the other hand, not all publicity is good publicity and there have been a good deal of threats of users cancelling their pre-orders, so Blizzard has probably lost all of $240. (Until that one guy buys it under a different username a few days later.) It is getting to the point that these little fucks get so butthurt over the tiniest of things that I even fear that LoversLab will be a target for their stupidity. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
Princessity Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 I feel like anyone who makes a fuss about this, one way or the other, has too much free time on their hands. It's silly someone even brought up the issue and it's even sillier that people all over the internet started panicking about it.First off, making a fuss actually takes very little time when you're doing it on the internet. Second, making your opinion known is generally the best option. I mean, what really is the alternative? How big does a change need to be before it deserves an objection? Isn't objecting to something you disagree with a natural course of action, especially in a forum (in both senses of the term) meant for such objections? I'm not saying this is an earth-shatteringly important situation here, it's not even remotely close, but precedent can come from the weirdest places and a lack of strong objection here will make it seem that there was, well, no strong objection. The last thing you want to give to your "opponents", and I mean this in not just this situation specifically but in any real debate scenario, is a similar situation in which you did not care. On the other hand, I bet Blizzard's marketing department is ecstatic ^^ They just got so much fresh publicity across social media, word of mouth and major news outlets that their projected earnings must have shot through the roof and knocked a satellite out of orbit.I don't really foresee their target market expanding all that much. People who are interested in that type of game almost certainly already know about it, people who aren't interested are unlikely to purchase a game they don't want to play simply because there's been a controversy, and those on the fence were probably waiting to play it first so this won't matter to them. On the other hand, not all publicity is good publicity and there have been a good deal of threats of users cancelling their pre-orders, so Blizzard has probably lost all of $240. (Until that one guy buys it under a different username a few days later.) It is getting to the point that these little fucks get so butthurt over the tiniest of things that I even fear that LoversLab will be a target for their stupidity. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. You make valid points, I suppose there are reasons some people may feel strongly about it and it isn't that hard to attract further following from people who just want to be a part of a riot, but I'm concerned for the people who genuinely think that it's some giant portent of doom, that an evil corporation is trying to take butts away from them, that somehow it will shift Blizzard's already well established and paid for with astronomical amounts of investor money art direction and it will lead to wide scale censorship... It's okay to take a side in a debate and voice one's opinion, but it gets silly when people overreact and start to make intercontinental leaps to unlikely conclusions. The thing that makes my eyes roll is that half of them seem to no longer be arguing about just Tracer's butt* but about... I don't even know what. It looks like controversy for the sake of controversy by this point. * - which is a reasonable thing to worry about, I'm a woman of many and varied tastes, I like butts, butts are cute. I'm not interested in Tracer's butt in particular but I understand people who might be, in the end it's just a butt tho, it was never intended to be a symbol of freedom or artistic expression or some tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff #letbuttsbebutts As for marketing, I think you underestimate the power of viral advertising in the gaming industry ^^ Typically, standard game advertising is confined to people who are likely to buy the game anyways, as you said. It's hard to directly market it to people who are not exposed to the same media as dedicated gamers on a regualr basis. But controversies are a whole different puppy! They tend to leak into other media, other demographics. If the average Joe gets up in arms about #buttgate on twitter, it is likely that at least some of their say 100 followers were not necessarily aware of the game previously. Maybe they're co-workers or family or just someone they randomly met on the internet. But those people are now made aware that Overwatch exists and Joe feels strongly about it. They may decide to investigate what the fuss is about, maybe buy the game themselves or even go as far as to pass the news along. And that's how ripples are made. Now multiply this by thousands of people reacting, overreacting, preaching at anyone who would listen, and as they do that, you're getting a significant "signal boost" that goes beyond your original target audience. And it's also important to keep in mind that Blizzard are gods of marketing and devils of PR. Their MMO is still alive and stomping competition after over a decade, Diablo 3 was the fastest and best selling game of all time and these days it even lives up to the hype, Starcraft defined esports as we know it and despite diminished popularity continues to generate moderate interest, Hearthstone is played by everyone and their cat, and recently they managed even to break into the MOBA genre, which is known for its attrition rate, and survived. The little experience I have in PR so far tells me that they're not naive. And I'm pretty sure Kaplan is not allowed to say anything on the forums without the express approval of the PR team. Even if none of it was intended, it very much looks like Blizzard suceeded at turning it into something they can profit from in the end. And that's ultimately a good thing. Overwatch is an amazing game that even people who generally hate shooters (me!) somehow fell in love with. Any bit of awareness that's created around it means more people can discover it, enjoy it and support the company that made it.
Z0mBieP00Nani Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 It is getting to the point that these little fucks get so butthurt over the tiniest of things that I even fear that LoversLab will be a target for their stupidity. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. HAHAHA!... I was laughing my ass off within the first few sentences of reading that first thing you linked to.. good stuff. Honestly attacking a site like L.L. won't get them very far anyway. L.L. doesn't try to hide what it is, it has no "shame", there's no reason for this site to feel threatened by that kind of crap, also the advertisers that support this site are all in the same vein, so they aren't going to care either. Think of this site as a sort of sanctuary for people who like moderate to extreme adult content (or "realism" depending on who you ask) in their games, the kind of content most developers wouldn't even dream of adding because, reasons.
Deso561PL Posted April 3, 2016 Posted April 3, 2016 http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17610892551 I am done with WoW because trial account, but Goldshire inn is infested with public ERP. Also funny that no one complain about Kerrigan model in Heroes Of The Storm. Then leave the Moon Guard server. I leaved AD EU year ago.
gallowLeigh Posted April 4, 2016 Posted April 4, 2016 It's Blizzard's property, and they felt the pose didn't make sense with Tracer's character. The game still has sexy poses from other characters.
Princessity Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Oh Blizzard, never change... you're not the troll we deserve, but you are the one we need.
Smithnikov Posted April 7, 2016 Posted April 7, 2016 *slow clap* Part of me was thinking "Hey, you realize they could just be pulling a Malcolm McClaren and getting extra buzz and cash-traversy for this affair, especially with SJW vs the world being hot, right?" I should have listened to the cynicism. Bravo, Blizz. You played us like a fiddle and got people who didn't care talking.
Myst42 Posted April 7, 2016 Posted April 7, 2016 Oh god... it's this thread again Didn't the internet... you know... do this already? Or is it the GG controversy that still after i-lost-count-how-many-fucking-years continues? SJWs are gona SJW Femnazis are gonna femnazi Butthurt pple will be butthurt Mysoginists will hate women 4/8chan will do what they do Strange nobody cares about games where you can torture, mutilate and kill in the most savage ways but put a little sex in them and everyone looses their minds Because everything "objectifies" women nowadays. Burkas should be the new sexy and they still show too much because eyes... Gosh... I can't believe how butthurt the world has become over the past years. You can't do anything without stepping on someone's toes or hurting their imaginary delusions of morality based on prejudice and butthurtism. Fuck this world. One more thing... I think giving attention to butthurt assholes and their holy crusades against freedom only fuels their agenda. Everytime I see one of these threads I cannot help but feel tired as fuck. Screw them. Screw everyone. I'm done paying attention to them. One post only, to say how much I despise this stupid fight, but without getting emotionally involved, it's my will that these voices are ignored and we return to playing and being as much perverts as anybody wants on their own FANTASY worlds.
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