Mass Effect Andromeda

[Aria]

Sigh....

 

I don't call this progressive at all https://heatst.com/culture-wars/mass-effect-designer-manveer-heir-hates-white-people-and-wants-the-world-to-know/

 

The guy lectures people at some dev conference on racism then tweets all this shit on a regular basis what a hypocrite. Nothing is really progressing at all it is just liberal BS but it won't fly much longer. I don't care if people want to be gay or not whatever but when it is shoved in my face in just about every dam game it becomes obvious what is going on. Nobody cares about some npc sexual orientation and why would it be relevant in a game anyway? Why would there be a need for a gay shuttle pilot in ME3? Who cares it is just some guy in an fps game what place does that shit have there? Now in some interactive game centered on talking and going places and doing things and little or no combat or no fps yeah a lot of things would be relevant because it would mostly be story and dialogue driven but a shooter game where people are rushing around doing missions and stuff nobody wants that mine field to step through.

 

We know EA is greedy but why didn't they monetize this liberal crap instead of freely shoving it in there? You get the base game with ugly characters then you can get the gay DLC or the lesbo DLC or the whatever the hell lady gaga is DLC etc. oh and attack helicopter DLC lol. Seriously though why not make more money by separating it all into DLCs did it just slip their minds or what?

 

This whole thing is definitely political just look at all the mess going on since trump was elected and look at europe too. A lot of things are political I don't think EA is just brain dead dumb no they have their motivations but we have those rumors years ago about people showing up to work high and drunk too. They totally destroyed a game they were working on set in the command and conquer universe where you could go down on the battlefield from RTS view and be one of the units instead of just playing RTS only. I remember the ads for it but they were short lived. I think even some devs from wing commander games were involved can't remember their names though it has been so long since that happened.

Pretty much this.

 

And that shit isnt just in games, its everywhere, all of the media are full of it.

 

My problem isnt with gay/transgender people, my problem is how they always play the whole gender identity hate/ issues surrounding these people as if they arent able to live any other way.

Take Dorian from DAI for example, wich was pretty much the only character i liked (and im saying that as a hetero male)..proud, confident in himself until he unvieled his daddy problems, that turned him into whiny puppy and that was also where i uninstalled DAI.

 

There is alot of gay/transgender people of whom none talk or make a fuss about their issues...they dont give a fuck about who thinks what of them and live their lives happyly with like-minded people.

 

These people have lots of other stuff going on, then being gay/transgender, thats what makes them interesting just like anybody else.

 

 

 

 

[Zor2k13]

Exactly!

 

I have never met a gay person that was all jumping up and down flaming everyone around them about gay stuff they don't even mention it to anyone unless people start to pry and get into their business. All these morons we see in the media that are so called protesters or fed up people are just paid actors and when that big pile of soros money runs out in a year or so they won't have anything to put on a resume or work record. Even mcdonalds doesn't want to see paid protestor on a work record lol.

[sonia82sarkar]

Thats the problem right there. Good writers, creative directors leaves a game//media when both political correctness and market become unbearable for them to stay and create.

[zzz72w3r]

Simply having homosexual characters and giving good parts to female characters are not SJW.  Context matters.  Calling Scarlett Johansson in Ghost in the Shell whitewashing is SJW but calling out Avatar:The Last Air Bender is not.  Racial casting of Fantastic Four is SJW but not the gender casting of the new Ghostbuster.  Knowing the difference is what separates SJW and the real progressives, as well as conservatives from closet bigots.  Gone Home winning Game of the Year is SJW running amok because it didn't deserve the honor on merit.  However, even with SJW trumpeting it on the game still didn't sell particularly well because it is just a so so game with a small niche appeal.  AAA games are always about mass appeal, or else everyone involved will be without jobs. 

 

So a mouthy mid-level writer at Bioware is the worst kind of SJW but let's look at the big picture.  Bioware games are more Liberal than typical AAA games but it's hardly what those games are about and it's always been there.  That never stopped us from loving those other games.  We wanted DA:I to be good and we want ME:A to be good.  DA:I wasn't and we are worry that ME:A won't be.  There are more obvious reasons than the Liberal content to blame, such as EA forcing Frostbite despite the engine not suitable for character driven games and that quality writers either don't want to work for EA or are not allowed to be creative at EA.  These are more damning than SJW because they are structural and likely mean the inevitable abandonment of both DA and ME franchises by EA. 

 

[sonia82sarkar]

I guess EA will be EA after all...bringing down even the mighty, the pure and the free spirited 

[prinyo]

 

Bioware games have always had socially progressive elements.  Games from KOTOR all have strong female and homosexual characters.  

 

As a gay person myself I have hard times accepting the gay characters in the Bioware's games as a good and positive thing. (I'm talking about the 3 DA and the 3 ME games).

 

Actually Cortez (the pilot in ME3) is the only one I find acceptable. Everybody else is made to simply reinforce some kind of a stereotype.

Dorian (a queeny-queery mage in DAI) is the perfect example. He is an amazingly cliche character, completely in tune with what the straight audience thinks gays talk, think and behave like. Or Kaidan - the most boring and inadequate character possible. As a gay player I found them quite annoying and to a degree offensive.

 

And then there is Anders - the

schizophrenic mass-murderer and terrorist who is misusing you.

I read somewhere that the mages in DA2 are a symbol of the LGBT community fighting for their rights and I was terrified by this idea. The mages are obviously the "bad guys", the "evil faction" in DA2 and I find the idea that they somehow represent the gay community an extremely homophobic one. 

 

 

I don't think about Bioware as friends of the gay community or as progressive influencers. They are simply capitalizing on the current trends in the society but are doing it in the easiest, cheapest and most painless way possible. They see a trend and they misuse it - for PR and sales. It is a failed attempt to be "edgy".

[Kargrin]

Some news: https://www.pcinvasion.com/mass-effect-andromeda-ditches-multiplayer-beta-test

 

BioWare have nonchalantly cancelled the publicised Mass Effect: Andromeda multiplayer ‘tech test’ (beta), which began signing people up in November 2016. That news is slipped casually into the middle of an official news piece talking about PAX 2017.

With the release of the full game coming up on 21 March, and ‘EA Access’ available from 16 March, the studio was already running short of time in which to conduct a beta multiplayer test. Instead, it seems, they’ve just decided not to do one.

“While we will have live multiplayer at PAX East, there will no longer be a multiplayer tech test for players at home,” the article states. “Thank you to everyone who signed up,” it adds, rather forlornly.

No reason for the cancellation is given. The multiplayer in Mass Effect: Andromeda looks like it’s going to be pretty similar to Mass Effect 3’s, but it’s still potentially concerning that the beta has been pulled at such a late stage.

 

And still  releasing videos with the game labeled as pre-release.. they're clearly not ready. Why not just ask for more time like CDprojekt.

 

[Bazinga]

Sigh....

 

I don't call this progressive at all https://heatst.com/culture-wars/mass-effect-designer-manveer-heir-hates-white-people-and-wants-the-world-to-know/

 

The guy lectures people at some dev conference on racism then tweets all this shit on a regular basis what a hypocrite. Nothing is really progressing at all it is just liberal BS but it won't fly much longer. I don't care if people want to be gay or not whatever but when it is shoved in my face in just about every dam game it becomes obvious what is going on. Nobody cares about some npc sexual orientation and why would it be relevant in a game anyway? Why would there be a need for a gay shuttle pilot in ME3? Who cares it is just some guy in an fps game what place does that shit have there? Now in some interactive game centered on talking and going places and doing things and little or no combat or no fps yeah a lot of things would be relevant because it would mostly be story and dialogue driven but a shooter game where people are rushing around doing missions and stuff nobody wants that mine field to step through.

 

 

While I fully agree on that MEA designer being an incredible douchebag I can't help but also wonder what you're expecting from a Mass Effect game. Or from a nu Bioware game in general. Relationship simulators with some tacked on genre typical gameplay, isn't this exactly what they do nowadays? Even the Baldurs Gate saga was pretty heavy on that stuff and since then their games got more and more like soap operas with each new release.

 

And to anyone proclaiming the death of creative game development:

What about indies?

And what about kickstarter? You have to admit that that changed the landscape at least a bit. I believe that there is stuff for everyone out there, you just have to search a little harder. Same like with music. Older people often lament how music declined in the last decades. Nothing could be further from the truth, you just have to find your way beyond all the dance music crap playing in the radio and you'll find tons of good stuff for every genre.

[zzz72w3r]

 

 

Bioware games have always had socially progressive elements.  Games from KOTOR all have strong female and homosexual characters.  

 

As a gay person myself I have hard times accepting the gay characters in the Bioware's games as a good and positive thing. (I'm talking about the 3 DA and the 3 ME games).

 

Actually Cortez (the pilot in ME3) is the only one I find acceptable. Everybody else is made to simply reinforce some kind of a stereotype.

Dorian (a queeny-queery mage in DAI) is the perfect example. He is an amazingly cliche character, completely in tune with what the straight audience thinks gays talk, think and behave like. Or Kaidan - the most boring and inadequate character possible. As a gay player I found them quite annoying and to a degree offensive.

 

And then there is Anders - the

schizophrenic mass-murderer and terrorist who is misusing you.

I read somewhere that the mages in DA2 are a symbol of the LGBT community fighting for their rights and I was terrified by this idea. The mages are obviously the "bad guys", the "evil faction" in DA2 and I find the idea that they somehow represent the gay community an extremely homophobic one. 

 

 

I don't think about Bioware as friends of the gay community or as progressive influencers. They are simply capitalizing on the current trends in the society but are doing it in the easiest, cheapest and most painless way possible. They see a trend and they misuse it - for PR and sales. It is a failed attempt to be "edgy".

 

 

I was trying to point out that the SJW conspiracy just does not compute.  Sure I bought the argument  initially like everyone else on the Internet disappointed by DA:I but things just didn't match up.

 

The quality of Bioware games peaked from 2007-2010 but the company has included LGBT stuff in its games since 2003.  The turning point happened around 2011-12 when EA took over operations from the "old Bioware".  From prinyo's assessment, the LGBT content neither expanded nor improved during Bioware's peak or decline and has stayed mostly as throw-in to the main game during the company's history.  The timeline and actual events such as rushed DA2, ME3 ending, Frostbite and overall lackluster execution of DA:I all point to corporate suits at EA being responsible for the franchises' decline than some unfounded SJW conspiracy. 

 

[Kargrin]

 

 

 

 

When you notice it...

[Captain Cobra]

Ass Effect: Androginia

[sonia82sarkar]

Old BioWare games had always had a dated graphics but at least their characters were proportionate. Romance may have been sub plot but it was never highlighted and argued. 

 

Now...BioWere devs are focusing on 'Space-porn', 'Full Nudity Rating' and political correctness...where combat sucks, story started to suck....sure EA can be blamed but it cannot be the only factor.

[Aria]

 

Some news: https://www.pcinvasion.com/mass-effect-andromeda-ditches-multiplayer-beta-test

 

BioWare have nonchalantly cancelled the publicised Mass Effect: Andromeda multiplayer ‘tech test’ (beta), which began signing people up in November 2016. That news is slipped casually into the middle of an official news piece talking about PAX 2017.

With the release of the full game coming up on 21 March, and ‘EA Access’ available from 16 March, the studio was already running short of time in which to conduct a beta multiplayer test. Instead, it seems, they’ve just decided not to do one.

“While we will have live multiplayer at PAX East, there will no longer be a multiplayer tech test for players at home,” the article states. “Thank you to everyone who signed up,” it adds, rather forlornly.

No reason for the cancellation is given. The multiplayer in Mass Effect: Andromeda looks like it’s going to be pretty similar to Mass Effect 3’s, but it’s still potentially concerning that the beta has been pulled at such a late stage.

 

And still  releasing videos with the game labeled as pre-release.. they're clearly not ready. Why not just ask for more time like CDprojekt.

 

 

Looks like EA is rushing them, would explain alot in that case.

 

 

 

 

When you notice it...

Welp, this is going to be interesting.

 

Old BioWare games had always had a dated graphics but at least their characters were proportionate. Romance may have been sub plot but it was never highlighted and argued. 

 

Now...BioWere devs are focusing on 'Space-porn', 'Full Nudity Rating' and political correctness...where combat sucks, story started to suck....sure EA can be blamed but it cannot be the only factor.

Well Bioware basically doesnt exists anymore, its just EA wearing its skin, like with many other game studios they killed over the time, wich explains the change in their games.

[shadowlord445]

 

 

 

 

When you notice it...

Ass ugly Asari that can't even hold a gun.  This game is going to be a total shitshow on launch.  And as someone who used to love Bioware games, that makes me sad.

[KoolHndLuke]

Bioware was beloved and respected by many in the 20 yrs or so that they had made many games. Games that took us to far- away lands, deep into space, or sometimes into our own dreams. This is to them; 

 

Would that we were able, old friends and yes- lovers- might travel to that far- away land, deep into the farthest reaches of space, or brave that mystical dream plane of our subconscious to find thee.

 Any foe would be vanquished by the hand and foot- whether by Open Palm or Closed Fist- so that we may recover your frail, broken body with the hopes that breath yet lingers.

Tapestries of light and sound woven by sheer will and magical skill would we employ to both heal and soothe the ferocious night in the hopes that your essence might return to our lonely plane.

  With the clash of metal- whether of Dwarven or Elvish origin- let our combined enemies gnashing and snarling be silenced in that one final blow that rings true and mortal in hope that thee might return unimpeded.

To the day- to the moment when brave trumpets do sing, when laden heavens do shine, to herald the return of our wayward brethren spirit home again.

 

Sorry if its kinda sappy. My first attempt at poetry.  

[Kendo 2]

For those saying EA doesn't have an SJW agenda...you're retarded.  Every major title they release forces their view of 'diversity', with a heavy emphasis on queer/trans characters.

 

It isn't only Dragon Age and Mass Effect, but also The Sims.  For Sims 4 there is the now infamous 'transgender patch' where Maxis/EA removed and/or added gender specific flags.  The result was male Sims with female voices and hair styles walking around in dresses, or female Sims with men's voices.  And the way Sims 4 randomly generates Sims to fill the SimBin (where npcs are pulled from), almost every Sim generated was a cross dressing fashion disaster.  The devs at Maxis/EA did this intentionally.  But before that when the Get to Work DLC was released they added aliens...aliens that will impregnate MALE sims with an alien baby.  The aliens won't impregnate female Sims, only the males.  This was also intentional.  Things were so bad players were rage-quitting.  I got so tired of having to constantly redo Sims and using the console to fix things that I quit playing for almost 3 months.

 

As expected the backlash was huge BUT the moderators on the official EA site would delete the posts of anyone who complained, no matter how rude or polite the posts were.  Luckily there is a modding community that has cracked the game wide open and all the EA stupidity can either be countered or removed completely.  And when there is an official Sims 4 'Let's Play' the devs doing it are EA employees, not Maxis ones.

 

So...with the history of EA pulling their SJW bullshit with Dragon Age, Mass Effect AND the Sims there is no denying there is an SJW agenda in place.  That's not a conspiracy, that's fact.

[GrimReaper]

 

So where do you think the true artist that used to make games have gone? Did they die? Did they sell out like you say? Surely some game devs still value making a great game over trying to meet a monetary quota. You portray it as a disease that permeates every corner of the creative industry. While I'm not disagreeing with you- I do not think that all would gladly sell their integrity to meet a sales goal. Maybe I'm naïve in thinking this.

 

Also are people really so stupid as to believe everything they are told. If this is true then we have bigger problems than some stupid fuckin game.

 

 

They're still there, they mostly just go with the current flow of the industry, they're only human, after all. People may start out highly motivated and full of energy but when they are confronted with how the industry works, they either adapt or wither away. Doesn't help that the market reinforces that in general. People tend to buy what they know or think is popular, making it harder for creative minds to do something new. For the most part it is better to pump more money into marketing and graphics than to actually improve the game with better AI or smart and challenging level design.

 

 

 

And to anyone proclaiming the death of creative game development:

What about indies?

And what about kickstarter? You have to admit that that changed the landscape at least a bit. I believe that there is stuff for everyone out there, you just have to search a little harder.

 

 

You have Early Access games and asset flippers running rampart on steam. Even without a publisher, developers realize very soon that they actually need to make some money and good games don't automatically sell well. Especially when low effort shit floods the market. With crowdfunding, many developers have contradicted themselves when blaming publishers for the state of the whole gaming industry. Just look at what Double Fine did with some of their projects. Broken Age wasn't the messiah to save adventure games, while it wasn't bad per say, it was nothing extraordinary, yet it should've been because there was no pressure from a publisher. And then you have the outright scam that was Spacebase DF-9. While there are some companies that make good use of crowdfunding like Larian Studios they still aren't able to offer something that's so above everything else they've ever done under a publisher.

 

[DoctaSax]

For those saying EA doesn't have an SJW agenda...you're retarded.

Now, now, don't do that.

 

But before that when the Get to Work DLC was released they added aliens...aliens that will impregnate MALE sims with an alien baby. The aliens won't impregnate female Sims, only the males. This was also intentional.

Sure, that's because it's a running gag in the sims series, and was there in Sims 2 as well. Far less about any agenda than about the idea of having to push a baby out of your ass.

[Kargrin]

 

 

 

 

Lost it

[sonia82sarkar]

LOL...that was my exact reaction when I saw the trailer...

[DocClox]

So...with the history of EA pulling their SJW bullshit with Dragon Age, Mass Effect AND the Sims there is no denying there is an SJW agenda in place.  That's not a conspiracy, that's fact.

 

They've never been above using their games for social engineering. Even before the EA buyout in ME1, we had a long lecture explaining to Sheppard how, although the ship's replicator could manufacture any weapon, the weapons would not be available until the licence fees for the design had been paid. Because any other course of action would not be ethical.

 

So basically the sub-text here is Hey kids! Command Sheppard sooner die rather than violate Copyright - And So Should You!!!

 

Say what you like about the ethics of software piracy, but I can't help feeling there's something deeply shitty about trying to teach a generation of kids that corporate intellectual property rights are more important than the survival of their species.

[zzz72w3r]

 

So...with the history of EA pulling their SJW bullshit with Dragon Age, Mass Effect AND the Sims there is no denying there is an SJW agenda in place.  That's not a conspiracy, that's fact.

 

They've never been above using their games for social engineering. Even before the EA buyout in ME1, we had a long lecture explaining to Sheppard how, although the ship's replicator could manufacture any weapon, the weapons would not be available until the licence fees for the design had been paid. Because any other course of action would not be ethical.

 

So basically the sub-text here is Hey kids! Command Sheppard sooner rather die before violating Copyright - And So Should You!!!

 

Say what you like about the ethics of software piracy, but I can't help feeling there's something deeply shitty about trying to teach a generation of kids that corporate intellectual property rights are more important than the survival of their species.

 

 

Not sure how serious you were there...

 

Anyway, I seem the recall the explanation was that Bioware didn't want to spend the resources to develop any kind of looting or crafting system so they just placed the weapons into the leveling system.  That copyrighted restriction started as an inside joke but the game designers decided to keep it because anything else they replaced it would just sound stupid.  It didn't get as much mileage as the elevator but most people got the joke.

[azoth1267]

Never really paid that licensing deal any mind honestly... looking back i can sorta get where you are coming from but at the time i just glossed over it as a game mechanic to slow progressing to the good stuff.

 

Often times is see things like this and people talking about the agenda or message that they are really trying to push and more often that not it just goes past me as another stupid game mechanic or a shoehorned topic to get in good with the "in" group and get some credit for being edgy or hip or progressive or whatever.

 

Either their messages are just ineffectual or they are not trying hard enough.

I mean honestly, if you are old enough to play the games, you should be old enough to know if someone is trying to manipulate you or old enough to not give a shit.

Either way, i would rather not have bad story/mechanics/characters shoehorned in to for some shit attempt at diversity.

[bjornk]

social engineering

That's the best definition for what they've been doing.

[DocClox]

Never really paid that licensing deal any mind honestly... looking back i can sorta get where you are coming from but at the time i just glossed over it as a game mechanic to slow progressing to the good stuff.

 

Well, it was also a game mechanic intended to slow progress, admittedly.

 

It just struck me as cynical and self-serving on their part. Not a big deal, but a surprising sleazy move from someone with the reputation that BioWare enjoyed at that point in time.

 

It's not a huge deal, I'm just saying that they're not shy about using their games to push a political agenda.