Prison Overhaul Patched (LE)

[weixz880422]

hello,there is a problem in POP 5.00, which is that i could not load the non-DD outfits in the custom outfit of DDE , but when i use DDE to load the custom outfit directly it will be fine.

[olokoko]

Has anyone else noticed an issue where male followers don't receive DDE restraints on arrest?

Seems to be okay on female followers on arrest.

Male followers seem to receive DDE restraints ok in the cell etc, just not during arrest.

I've checked that the outfit actually equips on a male follower through DDE.

The setting for using DD restraints on followers is set to 'both'

Edited June 20, 2021 by olokoko

[bcstv]

Hello.

Is it just me or POP is janky and kinda broken as heck, as in playable but so janky it's not enjoyable?

First of all, it doesn't detect my follower (shown in MCM). Not only was the follower not arrested with me, she even ended up became part of the crowd whipping me instead.

Seccond, the punishments are ALWAYS sex even though the % for beatings/whippings far outweigh them in MCM.

Third, parades are just awkward loop of me getting maniacly beaten up constantly for no reason even though I walk (not run or sprint), then I get down to be healed by immersion breaking huge burst of magic, then repeat for hours. In pillory time, literally nothing happens for the whole session as I'm left out in Whiterun where all the pillories and wheel and cross are weirdly placed leaning against Belethor's store in comfortable shade for some reason instead of being exposed for the public to see the humiliation.

VIP calls also take ages to progress for each step, and I have to constanly using SUM to stop/restart AI/scenes all the time.

Are these just the limitations of the mod, or is something wrong with specifically my game?

[Herowynne]

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

Is it just me or POP is janky and kinda broken as heck, as in playable but so janky it's not enjoyable?

 

POP is a very complex, very ambitious mod. Some people have problems with POP, but it works well for other people. Personally, POP works quite well for me.

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

First of all, it doesn't detect my follower (shown in MCM). Not only was the follower not arrested with me, she even ended up became part of the crowd whipping me instead.

 

That is not supposed to happen. POP's follower support works okay for me.

 

POP does not handle multiple followers very well. It is better to have only one follower if you expect to get arrested.

 

I use Nether's Follower Framework (NFF). Before getting arrested, I go into NFF's MCM and put the follower into the Game Slot, instead of leaving the follower in one of NFF's slots. I also turn off Teleport in NFF's MCM.

 

If you are using a mod that "augments" follower behavior, such as Submissive Lola or Devious Followers Continued, you should pause those mods before getting arrested.

 

My main issue with POP's follower support is that POP tends to favor choosing 3-person animations with the player, your follower, and the punisher (Jailer / guard), which limits the possible animations and often un-immersively puts the player or the follower in a dominant position.

 

Maybe @Inte will consider changing the behavior to use 2-person animations and punish the player, then punish the follower, separately in sequence. Or use two punishers and run a pair of 2-person animations in parallel.

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

Seccond, the punishments are ALWAYS sex even though the % for beatings/whippings far outweigh them in MCM.

 

That differs from my experience.

 

There is also a whipping punishment called "Cool Whip Time". In my game, sometimes I get sex punishment only, sometime Cool Whip Time only, sometimes a combo of Cool Whip Time followed by sex.

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

Third, parades are just awkward loop of me getting maniacly beaten up constantly for no reason even though I walk (not run or sprint), then I get down to be healed by immersion breaking huge burst of magic, then repeat for hours.

 

I agree that parades are not fun with the default MCM settings.

 

I use the following settings so that parades are more enjoyable. Or you can turn off parades completely in the MCM.

 

MCM -> Prison Overhaul -> Parade
 [Right side]
  Parade Duration = 1 HOURS
  Trip Duration = 1 SECONDS
 [Left side] Trip Options
  Trip Speed = 250
  Trip Chance = 10%
 [Right side]
  Push Speed = 250
 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

In pillory time, literally nothing happens for the whole session as I'm left out in Whiterun

 

That is not the expected behavior. In my game, there is typically a series of 10 or more punishment sessions by NPCs who ask the Jailer if they can use the player. There is typically less than 30 seconds of real time in between NPC punishment sessions while on the pillory or other bondage furniture. 

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

in Whiterun where all the pillories and wheel and cross are weirdly placed leaning against Belethor's store in comfortable shade for some reason instead of being exposed for the public to see the humiliation.

 

The bondage furniture placement in Whiterun is a bit awkward, but I would not ask @Inte to change it, because of the potential for conflict with numerous city overhaul mods.

 

I use JK's Skyrim, Dawn of Skyrim, and the JK+Dawn patch, so Whiterun is pretty thoroughly overhauled, and yet POP has surprisingly few (minor) conflicts.

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

VIP calls also take ages to progress for each step

 

Yes, there is more waiting between events in a VIP cell than is typical for other kinds of events. Perhaps @Inte can tighten up the schedule for VIP cell events.

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

I have to constanly using SUM to stop/restart AI/scenes all the time.

 

That differs from my experience. I have not had to use SUM for that ever.

 

10 hours ago, bcstv said:

Are these just the limitations of the mod, or is something wrong with specifically my game?

 

POP is not perfect, but it sounds like POP is not working as well in your game as could be expected. The issues you have reported (except for the VIP cell) are not expected and not universal.

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Herowynne

[HermausMoron]

On 6/9/2021 at 4:02 PM, judge007 said:

try Jaxonz MCM Kicker https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/36801

 

or in console "setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1"

Tried both. No dice.

[tieyourshoe]

anyone knows why im getting this message "arrest quest did not start exiting" when a guard tries to arrest pc and nothing happens after that just the controls disabled and the guard standing doing nothing

[Herowynne]

38 minutes ago, tieyourshoe said:

anyone knows why im getting this message "arrest quest did not start exiting" when a guard tries to arrest pc and nothing happens after that just the controls disabled and the guard standing doing nothing

 

I have not seen that problem before. Is the problem reproducible? If so, then please turn on Papyrus logging, reproduce the problem, and post your Papyrus log. That might be helpful for @Inte. Thanks!

[shiagwen]

food and drink :  bread and skooma

earlier versions easy simply choose it. now complicated no idea about lists etc

What must i do to get the two ?

 

The new  cells do not work. two or three times a guard comes, but thats it.  ps stamnds there for the rest of the night in timescale 10. No Jarl, no vip, except vilkas in jorvaskr.

 

Also mcm doesnt work as said. 

i said no hardmode, game goes in hardmode.

i said no iron mask, game puts pc in iron mask

how comes you broke all these years of patching , falling in a result worse than you started with ?

 

Edited June 25, 2021 by shiagwen

[zelurker]

I just noticed a "hidden trap door" in the jarl chambers, riften, room on the right when you enter. Well when entering a part of the room doesn't appear, it's just blue area, when approaching the area, some parts of the room come to existence... this is with the se version, 5.01.

Picture : https://ibb.co/9Yrm4bJ

[Herowynne]

4 hours ago, zelurker said:

I just noticed a "hidden trap door" in the jarl chambers, riften, room on the right when you enter. Well when entering a part of the room doesn't appear, it's just blue area, when approaching the area, some parts of the room come to existence... this is with the se version, 5.01.

 

I just tested that room myself with POP 5.01 for SE.

 

Here is a picture of the hidden trapdoor activator. @Inte will need to comment as to whether that hidden trapdoor activator is supposed to be accessible like that.

Spoiler

 

Inside the room, everything looks okay to me. I do not see any missing walls. I walked all around in that room and I did not see any problems.

 

Here is a picture of what the room looks like in my game.

 

Spoiler

 

That room is using a lot of ZAP furniture. Which version of ZAP are you using?

 

I am using the ZAP 8.0+ conversion to SE by Pfiffy.

 

On that page, I downloaded this file:

 

ZAZ 8.0+ UUNP HDT Rev3 : https://mega.nz/#!7ZQjmABY!5slFVs_5YB7DphHCrd2m1nzDTiIwpFoLyRKq6WUt6ek
 

[zelurker]

17 hours ago, Herowynne said:

 

I just tested that room myself with POP 5.01 for SE.

 

Here is a picture of the hidden trapdoor activator. @Inte will need to comment as to whether that hidden trapdoor activator is supposed to be accessible like that.

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Inside the room, everything looks okay to me. I do not see any missing walls. I walked all around in that room and I did not see any problems.

 

Here is a picture of what the room looks like in my game.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

That room is using a lot of ZAP furniture. Which version of ZAP are you using?

 

I am using the ZAP 8.0+ conversion to SE by Pfiffy.

 

On that page, I downloaded this file:

 

ZAZ 8.0+ UUNP HDT Rev3 : https://mega.nz/#!7ZQjmABY!5slFVs_5YB7DphHCrd2m1nzDTiIwpFoLyRKq6WUt6ek
 

 

I was afraid you wouldn't be able to reproduce. Well it's zaz8 too, not sure it's exactly the same version, it's the cbbe here.

Since it's the only room with this problem afaik, there is probably something somewhere if it's not in pop itself. I'll post if I find something new about that !

[webb71]

Just finished a sentence and everything worked well. Only issue im having is that the guard didn't remove hand restraints after I was freed and I can't seem to find a way to remove them.

Spoiler

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by webb71

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, webb71 said:

Just finished a sentence and everything worked well. Only issue im having is that the guard didn't remove hand restraints after I was freed and I can't seem to find a way to remove them.

 

There is an option in the MCM for the Jailer to leave you with "parting gifts", i.e. restraints after your release from prison.

 

Did you have that option set? Perhaps that is why you were left with restraints?

 

Regarding removal of the restraints - are you looking for a way to escape them through gameplay, or are you looking for a non-gameplay MCM option to remove them?

[webb71]

1 hour ago, Herowynne said:

 

There is an option in the MCM for the Jailer to leave you with "parting gifts", i.e. restraints after your release from prison.

 

Did you have that option set? Perhaps that is why you were left with restraints?

 

Regarding removal of the restraints - are you looking for a way to escape them through gameplay, or are you looking for a non-gameplay MCM option to remove them?

Yeah that was check so I will uncheck it before the next attempt. Although I did notice her arms were like that in the cell instead of in the armbinder so it almost seems like they are overriding everything else. I'm fine using the console to get them off or whatever since I can't open the inventory otherwise lol.

[Dajovve]

Anyone got an idea what might be wrong when just nothings happening after I got brought into the jail? Like my capturer has ran into the jail building with me. But after that happens me and the capturer just stand there with nothing happening.

 

I have tried playing around with skipping stuff in the debug menu but that doesnt change anything either.

[jfraser]

hey Inte (and hero  )! love the changes to the mod. all the new cages are fantastic.

 

i looked back through the last several pages and didn't see anything about this, so figured i'd ask - is there a known issue with no sex scene with the arresting guard? he says "get on the ground" and then nekkedness, then we both just stand there for 65 seconds, then redress and off to jail. sex scenes are working in general, so it doesn't appear to be sexlab related, per se. any ideas?

[Herowynne]

10 hours ago, Dajovve said:

my capturer has ran into the jail building with me. But after that happens me and the capturer just stand there with nothing happening.

 

55 minutes ago, jfraser said:

issue with no sex scene with the arresting guard? he says "get on the ground" and then nekkedness, then we both just stand there for 65 seconds, then redress and off to jail.

 

I think the common thread in both those reports is that items are being equipped and unequipped at those times?

 

I recommend checking on what items are equipped on your character at the time of arrest, especially locked and/or scripted Devious Devices that are hard to remove.

 

Some other troubleshooting tips...

 

More than 2 followers at the time of arrest can cause problems, including CTD. I recommend one follower at most if you expect to be arrested.

 

If you expect to be arrested, and use use Nether's Follower Framework (NFF), I recommend turning off NFF's Follower Teleport feature, and putting the follower into the game slot.

 

I recommend setting POP to always fast forward after being arrested, rather than having the player character follow the guard to jail. So many things can go wrong with AI control of the player character for an extended amount of travel.

[jfraser]

2 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

 

 

I think the common thread in both those reports is that items are being equipped and unequipped at those times?

 

I recommend checking on what items are equipped on your character at the time of arrest, especially locked and/or scripted Devious Devices that are hard to remove.

 

Some other troubleshooting tips...

 

More than 2 followers at the time of arrest can cause problems, including CTD. I recommend one follower at most if you expect to be arrested.

 

If you expect to be arrested, and use use Nether's Follower Framework (NFF), I recommend turning off NFF's Follower Teleport feature, and putting the follower into the game slot.

 

I recommend setting POP to always fast forward after being arrested, rather than having the player character follow the guard to jail. So many things can go wrong with AI control of the player character for an extended amount of travel.

Alas, none of that applied in my situation. I was wearing only boots. No devices at all. I had no followers. I'm using eff.

 

The sex is working in the jail and in the rest of the mod, just not at arrest.

 

But, I take it from your response this is not a common occurrence. So it must just be something in my load order somewhere. Because it was happening previously in a earlier version. But I put in the new version and started a brand new game and it still happens. But since it not affecting everything, something I can deal with I suppose

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, jfraser said:

But, I take it from your response this is not a common occurrence.

 

The "Jailer getting stuck" is a somewhat commonly reported problem.

 

You are reporting that Punishment sex is not occurring properly at the time of arrest. Punishment sex at arrest occurs between player and the arresting guard (not the Jailer). I seem to recall this problem has also been reported, but I don't think it is as common as the "Jailer getting stuck" problem.

 

It is possible to turn off Punishment at arrest in the MCM. That would not fix the problem, of course, but it would avoid the problem.

[jfraser]

12 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

 

The "Jailer getting stuck" is a somewhat commonly reported problem.

 

You are reporting that Punishment sex is not occurring properly at the time of arrest. Punishment sex at arrest occurs between player and the arresting guard (not the Jailer). I seem to recall this problem has also been reported, but I don't think it is as common as the "Jailer getting stuck" problem.

 

It is possible to turn off Punishment at arrest in the MCM. That would not fix the problem, of course, but it would avoid the problem.

yeah, i haven't had any stuck jailer issues so far. i wonder if it's just trying to call an animation that isn't being found. a couple of the punishment scenes had some oddities as well. i dunno.

[Herowynne]

15 hours ago, jfraser said:

i wonder if it's just trying to call an animation that isn't being found.

 

If you can capture a Papyrus log while you reproduce the problem, that might be helpful to @Inte

[jfraser]

1 hour ago, Herowynne said:

 

If you can capture a Papyrus log while you reproduce the problem, that might be helpful to @Inte

Since it's not being reported by others, seems likely to be a "me" problem, nothing for Inte, but checking the log is a good idea. You're a genius.

[DonQuiWho]

On 6/23/2021 at 5:18 PM, Herowynne said:

 

I have not seen that problem before. Is the problem reproducible? If so, then please turn on Papyrus logging, reproduce the problem, and post your Papyrus log. That might be helpful for @Inte. Thanks!

 

Using Latest LE versions of POP, SUM, DDe

 

I get the same problem

 

Using Debug, triggered a Guard Arrest for minor crimes.  An error appears, as shown below, and it appears to be reproducible, as the exact same appears in the 2 logs I have on restarting the same game at about the same place and doing this

 

Full Log also attached

 

FWIW, I was getting the same thing happening, ie the arrest event failing, BEFORE I updated to the current versions

 

=================================

 

[07/07/2021 - 03:57:28PM] [Pop].:Debug:.xpoOnArrestPC()-> Arrest event triggered.
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:28PM] [Pop].:Debug:.xpopPreArrestPC():-> Start.
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:28PM] SEXLAB - Thread[0] Event Hook - StageEnd
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:29PM] Error: Cannot call HasKeyword() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [ (DC66B0F4)].xpop_MoveToPrisoner.Fragment_0() - "xpop_MoveToPrisoner.psc" Line 19
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:29PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp2"
stack:
    [ (DC66B0F4)].xpop_MoveToPrisoner.Fragment_0() - "xpop_MoveToPrisoner.psc" Line 19
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:29PM] [SUM].:Debug:.GoToMarker():-> sActor = [Whiterun Guard].
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:29PM] [SUM].:Debug:.GoToMarker():-> akActor = [[Actor < (0001B743)>]].
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:29PM] [Pop].:Debug:.isPCRestrained()-> Start at idx 0.
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:29PM] [SUM].:Debug:.GoToMarker():-> orMarker = [[Actor < (00000014)>]].
[07/07/2021 - 03:57:29PM] [SUM].:Debug:.GoToMarker():-> [Whiterun Guard] start, travel time [22.803896].

 

Papyrus.0.log

Edited July 7, 2021 by donkeywho

[jfraser]

Oh, it's not just me. I was also having the problem before upgrading. I started a new game after upgrading as well. Interesting. And the sex seems to mostly work after the arrest, although one of the animations is weird because both my character and the guard are bent over exactly the same way with a  gap between us. No idea if that's related to this though

[Herowynne]

3 hours ago, donkeywho said:

An error appears, as shown below, and it appears to be reproducible, as the exact same appears in the 2 logs I have on restarting the same game at about the same place and doing this

Thanks for the report!

 

Let’s hope that this provides some clues to @Inte