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Posted
2 hours ago, Silvist said:

This should concern everyone. 

 

Of course and unless otherwise, the new owners will do anything as they please. In this dystopia, Doctorow is always right.

 

I think the other modding sites cannot just say "we're okay being like this, we're not changing".

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This is all the more reason for modders to not put all of their digital eggs in one metaphorical basket. Spread the love to multiple sites. Besides this very site, there are others like  DEG Mods, Based Mods, Mod Banana, Mod DB and Undertow Club. If things had never gotten to be so centralized, likely no one would have even batted an eye at this sale. 

Posted
40 minutes ago, FauxFurry said:

This is all the more reason for modders to not put all of their digital eggs in one metaphorical basket. Spread the love to multiple sites. Besides this very site, there are others like  DEG Mods, Based Mods, Mod Banana, Mod DB and Undertow Club. If things had never gotten to be so centralized, likely no one would have even batted an eye at this sale. 

Or just back up your hard drive.

Posted
4 hours ago, Rayblue said:

 

Of course and unless otherwise, the new owners will do anything as they please. In this dystopia, Doctorow is always right.

 

I think the other modding sites cannot just say "we're okay being like this, we're not changing".

What do you mean by other mod sites saying "we're OK being like this?" Like what?

Posted
2 hours ago, chocula said:

What do you mean by other mod sites saying "we're OK being like this?" Like what?

 

Instead of just sitting there, this is possibly an opportunity for them to become viable substitutes for Nexus, that site's ownership having failed to communicate trust to its userbase.

Posted
42 minutes ago, Rayblue said:

 

Instead of just sitting there, this is possibly an opportunity for them to become viable substitutes for Nexus, that site's ownership having failed to communicate trust to its userbase.

OK, now I get what you mean. But are you suggesting that Nexusmods owners failed to gain (or lost) users' trust because they sold the site, or rather because they did other things, such as "all your mod are belong to us," Vortex and Collections?

Posted
12 hours ago, Silvist said:

Once again this isn't really hard to find:

 

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Link here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nexus-mods-site-has-been-sold.1219452/page-2#post-141554013

Why do I care?  I'm a mod author, as well as a mod user.  This should concern everyone.  If you want to yolo it and wait for shit to hit the fan that's on you.  

Most of that is pure speculation even if one accepts the source as trustworthy.

Posted
19 hours ago, chocula said:

Nexusmods was always about monetization (it had ads long ago, didn't it?). The guy didn't start it for the purpose of making his electricity bill bigger. And Collections were started to drive more people to pay for premium service since you can one-click install a Collection if you have premium. 

 

People said the same thing (i.e. "The original owners were all about gaming and the gaming community and the new owners are just out for a cash grab") when BioWare got bought by EA and when Turbine got bought by Warner Bros. And no doubt many other examples I don't know about. People start businesses to make money. That's was true of BioWare, true of Turbine and true Nexusmods.

 

As for removing nudie mods, if they bring in revenue, why would the new owners ban them? Particularly if they are about "massive monetization?"

 

19 hours ago, Silvist said:

Yea I'm in total agreement.  Not only ads, but video ads when they first started to rear their ugly heads lol.  Dark0ne from the beginning was always about monetization.  I agree that sex sells, but that would entirely depend on the views of those who now own it.  From the digging I saw some people do this was some of the conclusions they drew.  Only time will tell. 

 

So how should modding sites be funded as expecting the creator to pay out of there own pocket to the end of time doesn't seem very fair

 

The donation system doesn't seem to really work, until the amounts were hidden on patreon i don't think the LL one even approached 10% of what Skyrim together or Ostim were raking in, let alone the ones you see in the sims section. The current LL subscribestar one only shows as 64% towards covering the costs

 

It seems Ads are bad, video ads are bad, paid subscriptions with perks are bad so what is actually good?

Posted
27 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

 

 

So how should modding sites be funded as expecting the creator to pay out of there own pocket to the end of time doesn't seem very fair

 

The donation system doesn't seem to really work, until the amounts were hidden on patreon i don't think the LL one even approached 10% of what Skyrim together or Ostim were raking in, let alone the ones you see in the sims section. The current LL subscribestar one only shows as 64% towards covering the costs

 

It seems Ads are bad, video ads are bad, paid subscriptions with perks are bad so what is actually good?

Why you chose my post and Silvist's post to reply to with your message, I have no idea. You ask "so what is actually good?" as if I or Silvist had said that the way Nexusmods earned money was not good. Neither of us said what Nexusmods did was not good. We just said they did it. 

 

On a personal level, I don't care what Nexuxmods did in the past or what they do in the future in terms of ads. Ad blockers and script blockers exist for a reason. I don't pay for premium service on Nexusmods and I never will. If Nexusmods goes fully pay-to-access, I'll stop using the site.

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Anywhere else than Nexus where You can store 4K/8K texture mods in the excess of several GB's large?

 

I have not seen them, unless we are talking paid sites.

 

 

This is not only a Skyrim issue. Hell Nexus has all our favorite games covered.

 

I hate to think, what this will result in. Because as a principle I will never pay for a mod. Likewise I provide my mods for free.

 

This is, as it should be.

 

 

However having the servers to cover all these mods must cost a bloody fortune. Amazing that we have been able to download free of charge until now.

 

Fortunately I backed up all mods I use on my other drive. Now I am happy, that I did that.

Posted
6 minutes ago, NCK30 said:

However having the servers to cover all these mods must cost a bloody fortune. Amazing that we have been able to download free of charge until now.

Nexusmods is not Facebook, but no one wonders how Facebook makes money. No need to wonder how Nexusmods makes money.

Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Or just back up your hard drive.

 

Pc parts costs quite a bit now.I am running out of space .

 

Not a reply but an observation:

 A list with IRLS of sites other than LL and the Nexus would be nice. If anyone has them.

If the new owners are this  "Chosen" they don't seem to be anything but a group specializing in monetization.

We have to assume they paid the dark one at least a million dollars likely more plus with the cost of operating this site such as server cost and paying employees they will want a return on their investment.

So I expect a mandatory subscription service is likely . They would have to look at the legal ramifications of that since mods do have material from games and the owners of those games /studios/Ips might object to extensive monetization's or want to be paid themselves.

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Posted
1 hour ago, ANGRYWOLVERINE said:

So I expect a mandatory subscription service is likely . They would have to look at the legal ramifications of that since mods do have material from games and the owners of those games /studios/Ips might object to extensive monetization's or want to be paid themselves.

That slipped my mind before, but that is probably a can of worms they do not want to open. Music licensing works as smoothly as it does because a licensee just has to pay a fee to a licensing entity and does not have to negotiate a separate license from each individual rights holder for every song they want to play. Without something like that in place, Nexusmods having to negotiate agreements with the makers of every game they have mods for would be a big task. I'm not an expert, but I'm gonna guess the reason paid mod places get away with it is because they are so small and therefore go unnoticed. But, again, I'm no expert and I'm just guessing.

 

Makes me wonder why game makers tolerate in the first place a site like Nexusmods making advertising revenue driven by content based on their (the game makers') intellectual property.

Posted

My guess is they'll just make the free model a lot more... ungood, let's say- maybe cap # of downloads allowed in a week, cap speed to an absolute crawl, try to force use of whatever their in house mod loader is these days while also making that a subscription service, maybe we see the 'adult' category locked behind a premium account (for verification, of course! /dodgy)... things like that. Maybe not those things specifically, but things like that- in other words, people will still be able to have a free account and download mods, but the premium account is going to be a much, much better experience. 

 

These are guys who are willing to talk a good game and claim "Nothing will change!" but the math on that one ain't mathing- they're not spending money on something like Nexus without expectation of getting money back out of it, and we've seen this sort of thing happen often enough that there's a pretty well established pattern. I fully expect Nexus to get significantly worse in general as a direct result of this. 

Posted

Dr. Malcolm told me: "Mods will find a way".

 

Bethesda already tried slapping it on lunchboxes and sell, sell, sell.

Posted

Might as well consider a distributable decentralized FOSS model to keep and pass around mods just like Bittorrent instead of having one private entity to hold modding hostage.

Posted
3 hours ago, Wolfshrike said:

My guess is they'll just make the free model a lot more... ungood, let's say- maybe cap # of downloads allowed in a week,

That's the kind of thing I was thinking they might do.

Posted

Maybe I wouldn't have a problem paying for something like nexus mods if the site wasn't a political disaster and chock full of the usual current year crowd. Also if it was not run or hosted in the nanny state. I think some asian sites are gonna take off but they like to stay low key by keeping their sites hard to use from what I've experienced. Maybe for a while a lot of the major authors move to discord only but in the long run we might not see something super big like nexus again for some time, once it fails. When the new owners start changing things I expect the big moves to happen fast.

 

I'm trying to put together a complete list of all the big giant adventure quest and lots o stuff mods like olenveld or clockwork or journey to baan malur etc. All the big stuff that will probably be hard to find once things get moving. The small stuff and all the CBBE shit is something I can backup on my own but the absence of fixes and changes for all that small stuff is gonna sting long term. 

 

I expect pandora discussions to centralize somewhere eventually as well as OAR and all the other abbreviation mods. I'm concerned that stuff might just stay on discord at some point.

 

For fallout 4 we have the mod "mind games" still not released yet but it could probably stay on discord and do just fine. Nexus allowed the most number of people to find mods like that and youtubers have been spamming mod videos for quite some time. How are they gonna link to the mod when discord servers just refuse people almost all the dam time? The children on discord call it flooding or taking over their safe spaces:-( This is why I don't think discord can handle anything long term.

 

As others have said nobody would make a big giant site for mod hosting all flashy and everything for free. Some money will be made but people don't seem to be able to work out the money side. I think if the annoying political slants were GONE it would be a different story. Nobody wants to see a gay flag mod ever week or ever and nobody wants to see a burning gay flag mod either. Modding a long time ago had none of this shit going on it was just modding. I think it all went political around 2012? 2013?

Posted

What are the politics re: Nexusmods a few people have been complaining about? I don't see it. I log in, peruse the mods, DL some that looks interesting, maybe see if there's an update for a mod I have installed. I'm just not seeing any of this political stuff.

Posted
3 hours ago, Rayblue said:

Might as well consider a distributable decentralized FOSS model to keep and pass around mods just like Bittorrent instead of having one private entity to hold modding hostage.

Isn't that what DEG mods is supposed to be like?

Posted
36 minutes ago, chocula said:

What are the politics re: Nexusmods a few people have been complaining about? I don't see it. I log in, peruse the mods, DL some that looks interesting, maybe see if there's an update for a mod I have installed. I'm just not seeing any of this political stuff.

They were quite a bit more common in the span from 2015-2020 but they were shut down almost completely after that point. Some of the remnants can be found backed up on DEG Mods or Based Mods. you might be able to find Youtube videos about some of those mods if you enter the correct search terms. 

There will be no such luck concerning the silly marriage mods released for Skyrim mostly to make a point about political biases (those being a mod which blocks straight marriages, another to block gay marriages and one last one which did absolutely nothing at all, if the other two mods were not installed anyway, as it 'enabled marriage' which is obviously a base game feature). Political ad mods are also missing from any back up sites since they are not only horribly out of date now but they are held in contempt by the users of those sites, as they do not want political ads in their games any more than they want inappropriate product ads in games in general. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, FauxFurry said:

They were quite a bit more common in the span from 2015-2020 but they were shut down almost completely after that point. Some of the remnants can be found backed up on DEG Mods or Based Mods. you might be able to find Youtube videos about some of those mods if you enter the correct search terms. 

There will be no such luck concerning the silly marriage mods released for Skyrim mostly to make a point about political biases (those being a mod which blocks straight marriages, another to block gay marriages and one last one which did absolutely nothing at all, if the other two mods were not installed anyway, as it 'enabled marriage' which is obviously a base game feature). Political ad mods are also missing from any back up sites since they are not only horribly out of date now but they are held in contempt by the users of those sites, as they do not want political ads in their games any more than they want inappropriate product ads in games in general. 

Since installing a mod is entirely optional, why would anyone care about a mod that blocks gay or straight marriage? Kind of like the posters who got torqued about the Skyrim mod that converts Argonians to Humans, or the FO4 and NV mods that make Ghouls look Human. I think mods that do things that a player can do for themselves (like disable quick travel or disallow wearing armor) are stupid, so I simply don't install them.

 

Not sure why people being given an option they find objectionable rustles their jimmies. When SWTOR added same gender romance, as an option, some folks blew a gasket over it.

Posted
55 minutes ago, chocula said:

Since installing a mod is entirely optional, why would anyone care about a mod that blocks gay or straight marriage? Kind of like the posters who got torqued about the Skyrim mod that converts Argonians to Humans, or the FO4 and NV mods that make Ghouls look Human. I think mods that do things that a player can do for themselves (like disable quick travel or disallow wearing armor) are stupid, so I simply don't install them.

 

Not sure why people being given an option they find objectionable rustles their jimmies. When SWTOR added same gender romance, as an option, some folks blew a gasket over it.

The Nexus did take a stance relatively recently that any mod that removes 'diversity' from a game will be removed and the poster blocked.  For example, that sometime meant that certain characters were prevented from being gender flipped while all others were fair game or a mod enabling both sexes to romance an NPC would be banned if the character was canonically gay. 

The fact that it was optional was not of their concern. That option is no longer an option.

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