Unforgiving Devices

[MysticDaedra]

Is UD compatible with SLO Aroused NG? Or does it really require OSL Aroused still?

[45672]

Posted a peculiar bug I'd found on the github here https://github.com/IHateMyKite/UnforgivingDevices/issues/255. The bug in question causes the magic unequip sfx to repeat indefinitely while your hands are being restricted. My hypothesis is that it has something to do with the zadlib_UDPatch papyrus script using an older iteration of it's source which had a bug that would cause the system to be unable to unequip spells in the characters right hand, instead infinitely looping and unequiping the spell in the left hand from a simple typo. I tried to compile the script myself to test if it was the culprit, but I was unable too as I'm quite inexperienced. Any help on solving this issue is greatly appreciated

[nilead]

 Having an issue where a teasing device appropriately reaises aroussal, but as soon as viberation ends, arousal plummet to way below where it started. So a double plug + belt leaves PC perfectly calm.  To be frank, im reasonably sure its something with the OSL aroused, as interactive arousal pretty much gives the same issue - decreases arousal drasticly when it shouldnt. Will this mod work with SL Aroused NG? Kinda miss things just working, and while sure, its almost certainly something in my build causing incompability, im not sure i have it in me to do another rebuild to find the perpetrator.

 After a few too many hours of experimentation issue seem to stem from Vigor-DT addon. Read somewhere that OSL uses "hits" to adjust arousal, an introducing DT in skyrim can have an unexpected effect, such as "pull" spells becoming push, as there arent supposed to be negative values. Anyway, if any of you run into the same issue - do look for sources of damage treshold as potential sources.

Edited September 11, 2025 by nilead

[Fraying9981]

Is there a clean way to uninstall/deactivate this mod?

 

I've tried it and find it a bit too complex for my taste.

Here are some other mods I have, wondering if just unchecking UD will be fine?

 

Skyrim - Utility Mod 3.23.3 AE (Captured Dreams author)

CD device removal DDv4 update v2 (Captured Dreams author)

Devious Devices NG v0.4.1
Devious Lore SE
Devious Devices for SE-AE-VR

 

Edit: If it's really a bad idea, then can someone suggest instead a way to quickly unlock devices on NPCs that doesn't require going through the MCM?

Edited September 16, 2025 by Fraying9981

[RogerDust]

is there a way to get only the abbadon sword or the enchantment alone. TQ

 

[ihatemykite]

On 8/9/2025 at 4:23 PM, Seph64 said:

Is there a way to reset Unforgiven Devices during a playthrough? UD seems to think there's something equipped that raises the Orgasm progression while my character moves/walks even though there's currently no plugs/piercings equipped, nor is my character wearing a chastity belt/crotch rope.

In MCM debug setting, you can select Generic fix and Reset Orgasm Vars. This will open menu where you will see all effects increasing orgasm/arousal. By clicking on them, you will remove them. Note that this should be only done if you have no device equipped, as otherwise this can cause some other issues

On 8/14/2025 at 2:32 AM, AlyssaAwoo said:

Does someone know what this Lockpicking Menu Object Reference Error means? Could it be an incompatibility with the Skyblivion Lockpicking Menu Mod?

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

If I ask my follower to help me with the lock by lockpicking, it kind of works and I get the chance to do the minigame, then the lockpicking menu pops up, but it does not appear to actually unlock anything.

I don't use Oblivion lockpick rework, so its possible compatibility issue. I used it once when doing the IWWNG, but didn't try it with UD minigame.

 

 

[ihatemykite]

On 8/19/2025 at 5:48 PM, pelle234 said:

Is this error from this mod? Not sure i have another mod that could be abbreviated UD. Im getting lots of these in the papyrus log:[UD,!ERROR!,T=423.709015]: Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp not loaded or SKSE not found.

Forgot to add; I dont have Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp installed.

Should no longer show in 3.1

On 8/20/2025 at 10:35 AM, Nikett7 said:

Am I right in thinking that the mod won't work with other excitation system alternatives besides OSL? I'm using https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/151502 instead and I get a 100% crash after starting a new game, creating a save, and loading that save. The mod log has the following errors:

[2025-08-20 11:27:13.847] [log] [error] [OrgasmManager.cpp:33] OrgasmManager::Setup() - ERROR: Cant find OSLAroused.dll!!
[2025-08-20 11:27:13.847] [log] [error] [UD_Config.cpp:72] Can't get config variable Disabler.iEventGroupFlag - Returning default value

On 8/27/2025 at 9:40 AM, redrootcat said:

I really love this mod, but since version 3.0 it only supports OSL. Is there any chance to make it compatible with SLA as well?

On 8/28/2025 at 11:58 AM, redrootcat said:

Can version 3.0 work with SLA?

Should be fixed with 3.1

On 8/23/2025 at 11:43 PM, crococat said:

Still cannot prevent mod to use hobble dresses and gas masks.

Just dont like them, but tired to remove them every 5 minutes.

Seems MCM restrictions dont work.

The filter in MCM only works for UD effects. Other DD mods still can equip these devices

On 8/27/2025 at 8:54 PM, Nethertale said:

Can someone who made, pls drop a patch for DD (NG) and DCL? I oh and can I just use the patches from UD 2.1.1?

There is already patch for DDNG in UD3.0. You just have to select it while installing the mod in fomod. And, do not ever use 2.1.1 patches with UD3.0. Mainly the DD ones. They are very old and not made for DDNG. It will break everything

Regarding DCL, as said multiple times before, I'm not doing that patch, as there are many custom devices which would need to be patched manually and need new scripts. You can still run the Synthesis to patch some of the devices, but that will be only small part of whole mod.

On 8/31/2025 at 9:10 PM, isaactevess1 said:

Please help me with this situation!

 

This is simply breaking the whole game for me in the worst sense of the word.

 

After orgasm, new limiters are added. Moreover, I have multi-orgasm and in general, in combination with mods, my character orgasms quite often. As a result, I just endlessly receive new items IN ONE act. And the worst thing is that one item overlaps with others. That is, I can have literally an infinite number of new blindfolds or plugs in one place. How can I fix this? I did not find the necessary item in the MCM menu!

Sorry, I dont understand. Can you share the logs/save ?

On 9/2/2025 at 2:46 PM, jareskus said:

Hi, does anyone know how to disable or reduce the XP gain from unlocking a device while using the mod Experience?

In 3.1, there is new MCM option to adjust experience gain when using Experience

On 9/6/2025 at 9:10 AM, ..... said:

Hello everyone.

 

I used the debug menu to get rid of bugged restraints on my follower, but afterwards I found she was still stuck on an invisible device, with no other devices registered. SSEdit says the ID of the invisible equipment corresponds to UD_InvisibleArmbinder. The item itself seems to come back even when removed via commands or debug menu. I have no idea what to do

The invisible armbinder is special armor that is equipped when actor wears arm cuffs which ties them up. This is done only so tied up animation plays. It should not show as device in MCM or device list. Strange that its getting added back, as that armor itself have no script. Will removing it works for some tie, or will it not even shows as getting removed ? Maybe you can try in UD MCM menu the fix option "unequip slot". This will show all currently equipped items in actor and allows you to unequip them.

On 9/9/2025 at 6:39 AM, randomUser2019 said:

Getting a large amount of suspended stacks all of a sudden, pointing to UD_CustomDevices_NPCSlotsManager.getNPCSlotByActor, which is causing my papyrus scripts to delay upwards of 30 seconds.

 

Here's the report for one of the stacks in Resaver:
 

SUSPENDEDSTACK

ActiveScript: ud_modifiermanager_script (00cfafac) 1 frames (SUSPENDED)

Function: ud_customdevices_npcslotsmanager.getNPCSlotByActor

Flag: 01

---

FUNCTIONMESSAGEDATA of ud_customdevices_npcslotsmanager

Script: ud_customdevices_npcslotsmanager
Event: getNPCSlotByActor
Flags: 00000000
Unknown variable: REF : ud_customdevices_npcslotsmanager: *UnforgivingDevices.esp:c714e7eb (0000020049ba2840)
1 function variables.

 

If I'm interpreting the error correctly, I believe it might be trying to pass in an actor ref to getNPCSlotByActor that doesn't exist, perhaps a dynamically spawned/removed NPC?

 

My current reproduction is caused by wandering around the Whiterun plains past the giant camp on the way to Redoran's Retreat. I have the WARZONES mod playing a battle there and I also have Devious Strike which might be spawning strikers in the various bandit camps in the area.

Edit: So I dug a little deeper and found that the actor ref it was attempting to pass in was an instance of a base NPC WZONESvSPAWNSoldierImperial from the WARZONES mod. My debugging knowledge kind of ends there, as I'm unsure if its presence in the save file means the NPC does in fact exist or not.

 

I've also disabled the NPC features for Unforgiving Devices in the MCM, but that hasn't affected the problem.

Can you share whole save so I can check it in resaver ? Are you using Papyrus Tweeks ? Does this happen immediately after new game or after some play time ? Did you start game if updating UD ?

[ihatemykite]

On 9/9/2025 at 8:08 AM, MysticDaedra said:

Is UD compatible with SLO Aroused NG? Or does it really require OSL Aroused still?

Should be fixed in 3.1

On 9/10/2025 at 9:31 PM, 45672 said:

Posted a peculiar bug I'd found on the github here https://github.com/IHateMyKite/UnforgivingDevices/issues/255. The bug in question causes the magic unequip sfx to repeat indefinitely while your hands are being restricted. My hypothesis is that it has something to do with the zadlib_UDPatch papyrus script using an older iteration of it's source which had a bug that would cause the system to be unable to unequip spells in the characters right hand, instead infinitely looping and unequiping the spell in the left hand from a simple typo. I tried to compile the script myself to test if it was the culprit, but I was unable too as I'm quite inexperienced. Any help on solving this issue is greatly appreciated

Thanks, fixed in 3.1

On 9/11/2025 at 12:10 PM, nilead said:

 Having an issue where a teasing device appropriately reaises aroussal, but as soon as viberation ends, arousal plummet to way below where it started. So a double plug + belt leaves PC perfectly calm.  To be frank, im reasonably sure its something with the OSL aroused, as interactive arousal pretty much gives the same issue - decreases arousal drasticly when it shouldnt. Will this mod work with SL Aroused NG? Kinda miss things just working, and while sure, its almost certainly something in my build causing incompability, im not sure i have it in me to do another rebuild to find the perpetrator.

 After a few too many hours of experimentation issue seem to stem from Vigor-DT addon. Read somewhere that OSL uses "hits" to adjust arousal, an introducing DT in skyrim can have an unexpected effect, such as "pull" spells becoming push, as there arent supposed to be negative values. Anyway, if any of you run into the same issue - do look for sources of damage treshold as potential sources.

UD decrease arousal only on orgasm. During teasing, arousal should stay the same. Maybe you can check in UD MCM debug fix menu if there is not some rogue effect left from orgasm which decrease arousal. You can check it with option "Reset orgasm variables"

On 9/16/2025 at 7:08 AM, Fraying9981 said:

Is there a clean way to uninstall/deactivate this mod?

 

I've tried it and find it a bit too complex for my taste.

Here are some other mods I have, wondering if just unchecking UD will be fine?

 

Skyrim - Utility Mod 3.23.3 AE (Captured Dreams author)

CD device removal DDv4 update v2 (Captured Dreams author)

Devious Devices NG v0.4.1
Devious Lore SE
Devious Devices for SE-AE-VR

 

Edit: If it's really a bad idea, then can someone suggest instead a way to quickly unlock devices on NPCs that doesn't require going through the MCM?

Removing only UD can be problematic, as for that to work you also need to temporary remove DD and all mods using DD. That would reset everything DD relevant (quests, NPCs).

In UD MCM, you can select option to remove all devices at once from selected actor. You dont need to remove the devices one at the time

[redrootcat]

1 hour ago, ihatemykite said:

Should no longer show in 3.1

Should be fixed with 3.1

The filter in MCM only works for UD effects. Other DD mods still can equip these devices

There is already patch for DDNG in UD3.0. You just have to select it while installing the mod in fomod. And, do not ever use 2.1.1 patches with UD3.0. Mainly the DD ones. They are very old and not made for DDNG. It will break everything

Regarding DCL, as said multiple times before, I'm not doing that patch, as there are many custom devices which would need to be patched manually and need new scripts. You can still run the Synthesis to patch some of the devices, but that will be only small part of whole mod.

Sorry, I dont understand. Can you share the logs/save ?

In 3.1, there is new MCM option to adjust experience gain when using Experience

The invisible armbinder is special armor that is equipped when actor wears arm cuffs which ties them up. This is done only so tied up animation plays. It should not show as device in MCM or device list. Strange that its getting added back, as that armor itself have no script. Will removing it works for some tie, or will it not even shows as getting removed ? Maybe you can try in UD MCM menu the fix option "unequip slot". This will show all currently equipped items in actor and allows you to unequip them.

Can you share whole save so I can check it in resaver ? Are you using Papyrus Tweeks ? Does this happen immediately after new game or after some play time ? Did you start game if updating UD ?

Can I update directly from version 2.1.1 to 3.1? Can you add this DD equip this clothes outfit to your mod?

[Nethertale]

I am slowly starting to dislike this mod because of a simple factor; The Crit mechanic. Some devices (which are literslly from this mod, abadon restrains) and also some devices from DD NG, crit almost never happens...

 

Ngl, Without crit it is more boring than the base DD struggle method

Edited September 21, 2025 by Nethertale

[Nethertale]

3 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

There is already patch for DDNG in UD3.0. You just have to select it while installing the mod in fomod. And, do not ever use 2.1.1 patches with UD3.0. Mainly the DD ones. They are very old and not made for DDNG. It will break everything.

My FOMOD is saying otherwise, no patch

Edited September 21, 2025 by Nethertale

[crococat]

3 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

On 8/24/2025 at 12:43 AM, crococat said:

Still cannot prevent mod to use hobble dresses and gas masks.

Just dont like them, but tired to remove them every 5 minutes.

Seems MCM restrictions dont work.

The filter in MCM only works for UD effects. Other DD mods still can equip these devices

But i have messages from UD that items are equipped by this mod.

Had tested removing add item effects from all items and then events stops, so UD itself is adding items removed in MCM.

Had also tested without other mods that could add devices, such as DeviousCurses, with same result.

[Fraying9981]

7 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

Removing only UD can be problematic, as for that to work you also need to temporary remove DD and all mods using DD. That would reset everything DD relevant (quests, NPCs).

In UD MCM, you can select option to remove all devices at once from selected actor. You dont need to remove the devices one at the time

 

Thank you. In that case, would the following work?

1. go somewhere secluded
2. Save
3. deactivate UD, ALL DD mods including the ones requiring DD
4. save again
5. reactivate DD and all mods?

[MysticDaedra]

Ah phooey, I'd love to update to 3.1 from 3.01... can't imagine starting a new save at this point. Which parts would not work if I updated without starting a new game? Would it help to scrub certain scripts with resaver? Wishful thinking, perhaps...

[MysticDaedra]

Got a bug that I don't see addressed in the changelog for 3.1, so maybe this is still relevant. I can't struggle or anything, each time I do it says "you are busy" and cancels. Any idea how to fix? My character is in fact not doing anything or "busy".

[DayTri]

[09/22/2025 - 01:00:07PM] Error: Actor value "Archery" does not exist.
stack:
	[ (00000014)].Actor.GetActorValue() - "<native>" Line ?
	[UD_CustomDevice_Quest (2015E73C)].ud_skillmanager_script.GetSkill() - "UD_SkillManager_Script.psc" Line 133
	[UD_CustomDevice_Quest (2015E73C)].ud_skillmanager_script.getActorAgilitySkills() - "UD_SkillManager_Script.psc" Line 31
	[alias NPCSlot_Player on quest UD_NPCSlotsManager_Quest (2014E7EB)].ud_playerslotscript.UpdateSkills() - "UD_CustomDevice_NPCSlot.psc" Line ?
	[alias NPCSlot_Player on quest UD_NPCSlotsManager_Quest (2014E7EB)].ud_playerslotscript.UpdateSlot() - "UD_CustomDevice_NPCSlot.psc" Line ?
	[UD_NPCSlotsManager_Quest (2014E7EB)].ud_customdevices_npcslotsmanager.UpdateSlot() - "UD_CustomDevices_NPCSlotsManager.psc" Line ?
	[UD_NPCSlotsManager_Quest (2014E7EB)].ud_customdevices_npcslotsmanager.UpdateSlots() - "UD_CustomDevices_NPCSlotsManager.psc" Line 228

 

Seems some error in the skill manager, I think the correct actor value is "Marksman" instead of "Archery"

[Vollkornstulle]

10 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

Got a bug that I don't see addressed in the changelog for 3.1, so maybe this is still relevant. I can't struggle or anything, each time I do it says "you are busy" and cancels. Any idea how to fix? My character is in fact not doing anything or "busy".

Usually for me that bug goes away when you press the debug option for the busy character in the mcm.

But recently in the previous version I sometimes got it too and the debug menu didn´t remove it. Probably was something that isn´t caused by this mod but still interferes in some capacity.

[Vollkornstulle]

I get this bug over and over again:

After removing hand restraints the modifyer that tracks if my hand are still tied is often not removed.

I have it active currently on my character wirh the ID xx156EEB.

I am currently using debug -> fixes -> unequip slot [SLOW] -> slot 46    to get rid of it, but it is still annoying.

[redrootcat]

Could you make the notification content in the top-left corner into a JSON file or write it into a PEX file, instead of hardcoding it in the DLL? My English isn't very good, and it's really frustrating when the translations are incomplete.

[flim]

hi, not too sure if this have been reported and most importantly, i am not too sure if it is my problem, set up and all or this is really the bug.

 

here, i will go into trhe detail now.

 

my character was unlucky to encounter vampire thrall, so long story short, i use killall command.

then i wanted to get rid of unwanted stuff onto those thrall.

by chance, i am able to transfer all of my stuffs over. yes, that included the devices my character is eqipped.

and even though the equipped armbinder is transferred over, my character is still in armbinder pose. (this is not important).

 

I don't mean anything. just wanna ask if this is a bug or something. 

because once the devious device is equipped on the character, without the key, there should be no way to remove or transfer and yet i was able to do so.

 

i am certain it is this unforgiving device mod which i had verified by starting new with the UD and still have the same bug as mentioned (i even break the key for collar to make sure) and without UD mod, device stay eqipped firmly.

 

[johnson_joe]

On 9/22/2025 at 7:22 AM, MysticDaedra said:

Got a bug that I don't see addressed in the changelog for 3.1, so maybe this is still relevant. I can't struggle or anything, each time I do it says "you are busy" and cancels. Any idea how to fix? My character is in fact not doing anything or "busy".

This can also come from another mod starting a scene and not ending that scene.  I had the same thing after playing Forbidden Tome, after the initial Urak lock scene.  You can try to revert to a savegame before that.  I personally did not find a solution other than that.

[naan_horh]

Okay, I've tried everything possible in this world, but I still get this error (first screenshot).

Here's what Synthesis writes after creating a patch.

Here's my "empty mod" where Synthesis saves the patch and what's inside that mod.

Here's my load order in LOOT (just in case, this Synthesis script is the very last one).
Oh, and here's the text that was written in the console when I tried to equip the device (this is just an example; similar text was on other devices): [UD, !ERROR! , T=207.945007] : Iron Collar (Short Chain) (character) can't be locked because it's patched incorrectly!!!! Check patch order and try to lock the device again!
I just don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Please, has anyone encountered this and can help me?

[Aggressive_Coast]

13 hours ago, naan_horh said:

Okay, I've tried everything possible in this world, but I still get this error (first screenshot).

Here's what Synthesis writes after creating a patch.

Here's my "empty mod" where Synthesis saves the patch and what's inside that mod.

Here's my load order in LOOT (just in case, this Synthesis script is the very last one).
Oh, and here's the text that was written in the console when I tried to equip the device (this is just an example; similar text was on other devices): [UD, !ERROR! , T=207.945007] : Iron Collar (Short Chain) (character) can't be locked because it's patched incorrectly!!!! Check patch order and try to lock the device again!
I just don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Please, has anyone encountered this and can help me?

 

Do you have the any non synthesis patches active? I had this issue when i had the included patches active on top of synthesis. Turn off the patches and just keep synthesis, since synthesis handles the patching (I believe is how it works, anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

[naan_horh]

2 hours ago, Aggressive_Coast said:

 

Do you have the any non synthesis patches active? I had this issue when i had the included patches active on top of synthesis. Turn off the patches and just keep synthesis, since synthesis handles the patching (I believe is how it works, anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

Okay, thanks for the advice. I reinstalled UD and didn't select any of the sub-patches the mod itself offered, but that didn't change the situation. But thanks for trying anyway.

[Aggressive_Coast]

18 hours ago, naan_horh said:

Okay, thanks for the advice. I reinstalled UD and didn't select any of the sub-patches the mod itself offered, but that didn't change the situation. But thanks for trying anyway.

That's annoying, only other thing I can think of is some other patch is active in your plugin list. Since you reinstalled without the patches I would think they aren't there but double checking just incase wouldn't hurt. Could also be that the patcher doesn't actually cover certain devices from your mods, but I don't actually know how the patcher does the patching. Good luck with figuring it out.