Mebrilia Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Well then I would suggest ya'll start building your own frigging games because if you are a developer that wants to SELL the bloody game you had best make it so the kiddies can play it too, because there mommies and daddies are footing the bill for these games and there are a hell of a lot more of them then there are of YOU. dumbed down, slo-mo'd whatever you want to call it it has to interest them as well and most of them couldn't give a fuck less about story, lore or anything that doesn't involve killing everything in sight easily or PVP. The only way your going to get a game that YOU want is to build it yourself. or in the event a miracle happens and a dev actually DOESN'T rely on the community to put it's game together for them you might just get what you want or something very close to it. but I would strongly suggest you not hold your breath for that to happen. and in the end it isn't the game developer that has the say so, it is the publisher, of course sometimes they are one in the same. The pool of talent has come down to the "I don't give a fucks" instant gratification give me everything on a platter crowd because like the Nexus they've banned everyone else. And that's basically why we have dumbed down and actiong game called RPG but since times are changed we also have kickstarter and you know what? There is a LOT on going on kickstarter... YOu seem to assume if rpg returns to their roots they wont sell... Then why Obsidian reached Milllions of donations in kickstarter to make pillars of eternity? There are also more example too and try to justify the devs with those statements is pointless... IS too much ask for RPGS that are RPG and not action game with some roleplay elements? No its not... is reasonable...it the same reason why if i order a pizza i expect to get a pizza and not some warmed pasta with tomato trowed inside..... There nothing worst to justify Garbage for blind fanboysm
GrimReaper Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Well, to make it rather short: My point with the movies was not about subtitles. Subtitles are not a part of the movie itself, they are a crutch for people who don't speak the language the movie was made with. It's an artificial extension. I was thinking of a movie that requires you to read a lot without subtitles, i.e. an actor receiving a letter which you have to read yourself. The movie gets paused for 5 minutes and you have to read the letter from the screen of your TV. Or a few pages from a book. My point was that Planescape:Torment felt more like turning the pages of a book at times than playing a game. You don't NEED to write a giant wall of text to tell the player a story, games give you enough tools to tell a story without the written word. If you do it smart, you can let the player exactly know what happened in a location through clever leveldesign. It's more fun to piece the puzzle together in your head than the solution being handed to you on a silver platter. Interactivity doesn't mean explosions everywhere, it also means using your own head and imagination. And kickstarter won't get you anywhere. You'll just get recycled games from 20 years ago, nothing new. Most kickstarter projects are getting funded because the projects appeal to your own nostalgia comfort zone. They don't do anything new, they specifically advertise their projects with "Remember game X and Y from 10-20 years ago? We do and we want to make the same games again!" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8744-Broken-Age
Mebrilia Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Again with the nostalgia things... You know that nostalgia is when you miss beautiful things right?...I am wondering if you ever played torment.....The game have one of the most memorable story of all time...Of course you have to read a lot but this is what gives the game Depth... Most important RPG are not supposed to be Movies...Or interactive Novels... I know today they release games that are labeled rpg but they are just interactives novel with some action elements but that is not what an rpg is... What you call Recycled games... I guess you are referring at pillars of eternity and his old style gameplay... Are true role play games....Where you immerse yourself in a well written world with depth...Like was Morrowind... Like was Baldur's gate...And all RPG GEMS..... Is easy liquidate ciriticism playing the Nostalgia card....But take the older titles...now take a modern rpg.. you will notice a thing... A lot of voice acting a lot of wow cinematics shiny explosion awesome speech but...an HUGE lack of detail....Short titles handled like TV fiction that don't let the player live a roleplay experience instead give an ILLUSION of interactivity... Morrowind maybe is an old game..With outdated cameplay and mechanics...But is 10 times richer than skyrim on contents..The world is filled of detail faction react differently on what you do this gives the world Depth... The game is also filled with massive details...Book...Religion..History..Flora..Fauna...Mistery...Folklore...Culture distinction...Drugs... That is what make that game the best of the TES series... In morrowind when you was searching something you had to work to know where you go... what you do...I remember the vampirism cure quest... was never even a quest.. you have to read books in the argument and figure out if a cure exist or not...But i bet the new generation of gamer the one that call us nostalgic whine if a game have this depth Where are my quest markers?... Why i can't kill a troll at level 3?.... Why ennemy in this zone crush me so easly?...Where is my hand holding?.... And most important: WHy i am supposed to read all this crap i want just complete my quest so i can get some gold?.... Well is obvious those kind of people don't know what a true RPG is.... Yes i miss the old games mostly because they was maded for people with BRAIN
Bewe Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 So far for me its much better than what I expected after hearing so much crap about it.
Mebrilia Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Well then I would suggest ya'll start building your own frigging games because if you are a developer that wants to SELL the bloody game you had best make it so the kiddies can play it too, because there mommies and daddies are footing the bill for these games and there are a hell of a lot more of them then there are of YOU. dumbed down, slo-mo'd whatever you want to call it it has to interest them as well and most of them couldn't give a fuck less about story, lore or anything that doesn't involve killing everything in sight easily or PVP. The only way your going to get a game that YOU want is to build it yourself. or in the event a miracle happens and a dev actually DOESN'T rely on the community to put it's game together for them you might just get what you want or something very close to it. but I would strongly suggest you not hold your breath for that to happen. and in the end it isn't the game developer that has the say so, it is the publisher, of course sometimes they are one in the same. The pool of talent has come down to the "I don't give a fucks" instant gratification give me everything on a platter crowd because like the Nexus they've banned everyone else. And that's basically why we have dumbed down and actiong game called RPG but since times are changed we also have kickstarter and you know what? There is a LOT on going on kickstarter... YOu seem to assume if rpg returns to their roots they wont sell... Then why Obsidian reached Milllions of donations in kickstarter to make pillars of eternity? There are also more example too and try to justify the devs with those statements is pointless... IS too much ask for RPGS that are RPG and not action game with some roleplay elements? No its not... is reasonable...it the same reason why if i order a pizza i expect to get a pizza and not some warmed pasta with tomato trowed inside..... There nothing worst to justify Garbage for blind fanboysm Kickstarter isn't for the kiddies, games on kickstarter aren't being made for the kiddies. I never once said anything about RPGs returning to there roots not selling. I do not assume anything. trying to compare a kickstarter dev to a standard game dev won't work. most if not all kickstarter dev's are EX game company devs and they are EX because they got tired of the BS. I don't know where the hell you come up with fanboyism, seems like your trying to throw crap against the wall to see what sticks. you have your opinions I have mine, lets just leave it at that. this discussion is senseless and getting nowhere fast. That was not reffered at you.... I refer to other kind of fanboysm.. mostly at the people that in order to defend a game are unable to find a valid argument and just repeat what PR of dumbed down games say in order to damage control... And sadly internet is full of people like that....And yes i can see your point of wiew and i kinda agree..
...0... Posted April 29, 2014 Author Posted April 29, 2014 There are no written laws saying games should be like this or that. You eather like it or not some want deep rich games like torment or games like Morrowind RPG'S. Others want simple action games with cinematics like Mass effect or DA2 witch in my opinion are terible games and not even close to a RPG. But my taste is not importend its what you like and thats what matters so argue about whats good or bad is pointless. I just express my opinion on game and then act with my wallet buy it or not. Ive seen enough in many ESO gameplay videos reviews from all kinds and read enough to this game as a abomination simple as that. If others like it be my guest have fun. Its pitty some react so aggresive and think somehow we a attack his child he made himself or think its personal attack, that a shame becouse from my part it has nothing to do with personal or attack your baby hehe. I don't realy care if they rape the whole RPG genre it eather happens or not customers eventually want this or not i have luckly so many games DRM free RPG'S i can play for next 15 years and no need for new games. Luckly i got a game comming next year which prolly will occupied me for next couple of years The Witcher 3 so fuke it with ESO i won't play this kind of crap any way(purely my humble opinion nothing more ) plenty of alternatives. For years my money go to games that i support with a passion(i have only 34 games on steam over 6 years time im there) and many DRM FREE GOG.COM games i love dearly. Have fun with whatever you play, i will
Mebrilia Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 There are no written laws saying games should be like this or that. You eather like it or not some want deep rich games like torment or games like Morrowind RPG'S. Others want simple action games with cinematics like Mass effect or DA2 witch in my opinion are terible games and not even close to a RPG. But my taste is not importend its what you like and thats what matters so argue about whats good or bad is pointless. I just express my opinion on game and then act with my wallet buy it or not. Ive seen enough in many ESO gameplay videos reviews from all kinds and read enough to this game as a abomination simple as that. If others like it be my guest have fun. Its pitty some react so aggresive and think somehow we a attack his child he made himself or think its personal attack, that a shame becouse from my part it has nothing to do with personal or attack your baby hehe. I don't realy care if they rape the whole RPG genre it eather happens or not customers eventually want this or not i have luckly so many games DRM free RPG'S i can play for next 15 years and no need for new games. Luckly i got a game comming next year which prolly will occupied me for next couple of years The Witcher 3 so fuke it with ESO i won't play this kind of crap any way(purely my humble opinion nothing more ) plenty of alternatives. For years my money go to games that i support with a passion(i have only 34 games on steam over 6 years time im there) and many DRM FREE GOG.COM games i love dearly. Have fun with whatever you play, i will That's a nice reading... also i am whaiting the witcher 3
Chezza28 Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 I'm going to start by saying Skyrim and Mass effect series are THE ONLY non mmo games loaded on my rig. Having said that i can honestly say that TESO isnt half bad.. still in its early stages obviously. While it gives some of the basic mmo functions it adds a good bit of its own elements. You'ld have to go into the game looking at it form the standpoint it is its own game....not Morrowind,Oblivion, or Skyrim....sure the elements are there but it is its own game and to compare to any of them is flat rediculous. Whether its Free-to-play or pay-to-play it has its spot in the mmo community of games, whether it can weather the storm or stand the test of time is whole diff matter. Anyone who has an extensive mmo career knows a games longevity it a simple equation (players+content=success). Fall short in either and you will have issues. If you have the game and you like it... good deal... If you dont have or dont want it ...no biggie If your not sure..give a bit let it settle down Either way be your own critic ....make the choice for yourself ...dont always rely on the media
Guest Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Fair points Chezza. All I'd say to that is TESO isn't just any old MMO property, it's an Elder Scrolls game and an awful lot of people are naturally going to judge it on those terms. There's a lot of jaded MMO hacks like me, burned out on a formula that doesn't get our pulse racing anymore, I'm never going to give it much quarter unless it's doing something that significantly pushes MMOs forward from their current stymied spot. It's whether people who aren't will find enough to keep them paying that top end subscription they're charging. I hope it bucks the trend though, it's stupid wanting a big game like this to fail, it doesn't do any of us any favours really - I want a great MMO to play, I'd love it if it was a TES one, but this, so far anyway, ain't it.
Rayblue Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Decided to check up on Massively again, and this time they were posting some news tidbits about the game -- and updates -- despite it being less-than-stellar, hoping for some improvement or because it could soon to be the gaming equivalent of the ET game cartridge or the Ford Edsel.
Jeffrey Lane Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Just un-subbed from the game. as much as i liked the game at first, there are just too many things that could or should be fixed in the game. the big ones tho, is the game is kinda "play your way".. until ya hit the veteran levels, and then ya might get screwed. as a 2 handed dragonknight in medium armor, once i got to VR 2, every fight seemed a hassle and most we're against 2-3 mobs at once. and on top of that, the ability cost is too high, they run out so fast.. and the damage seems low as well. i dont know if i was doing something wrong, but idk. might try the game again in a few months, once htey get a few patches out.
KazigluBey1431 Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 Hopefully this will get them started on the next Elder Scrolls game faster. I played WOW for a couple years and got sick of it to the point I'll never play it again. MMO's are a waste of time IMO. I'm not sure why Bethesda decided to throw their hat in the ring where this format is concerned. WOW is not likely to ever be dethroned so it must have been an ego thing and blind optimism. Stick with making great RPG's and leave the MMO stuff to someone else.
Blackonilord Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 I played the beta for a bit, i have always used a controller for all of the ES games, and not about to stop, what i hated about ESO was i spent about an hour and a half in the prison dungeons, and for some reason i couldnt get out of the prison cell for the half of the hour, the other hour was reseting the game to get whatever bug or bugs there where preventing me from moving forward. once out of the prison cell (45 minutes later) i finally get to move along the story, (still no controller functions found) i get past the part where i gain my first level up, and then get stuck in some room where i have to kill i think it was 2 or 3 wardens or something, killed all 3 and the game wouldnt let me move to the next area, thus completing my time in ESO. Will i go and buy it? NO, i will not, do i count it as TESVI absolutely not, i do so enjoy playing a popular game with other ppl, but i dont want it to be mmo, take like the halo series or the CoD series, i love the multiplayer maps, if they can do something like that but the map is the land of whatever country of Tamriel is to be next then that would be awesome, and if you have another player in your server then you cannot have a NPC follower, total players in one server can be like 4 max or something, you would manage your own server so no need for moderators like with mmo's and server maintenance, just release an update that will contain the new maintenance for the server system. I wouldnt mind playing ESO again, but i am not about to pay for it, ill stick to my one time payment and hours and hours of immersion, like Skyrim and its predecessors.
torlok Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 Look we can all sit around and bitch, moan, and complain about teso's failings until the cows come home. But it boils down to this. Either play it or don't. No one is holding a dwaemer crossbow with an exploding flame bolt to your head forcing you to go either way with it. If you don't like that it isn't an open sandbox game where you can do whatever you want, go play second life instead. Otherwise, suck it up buttercup, and enjoy it for what it ACTUALLY is....a chance to play something in the tes world with a bunch of friends at the same time.
chevyowner Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 I played the beta, and that was bad to the point I won't play the realeased version. TESO just does not seem like an Elder Scrols game to me. And that does not get into the messed up pay scheme.
...0... Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 6 months delay for console i wonder why that is If you wanne play on both machine you have to buy the game twice lol. I dunno about the monthly SUB 2x 15$ are people that (sorry to say) dumb?
Guest Ragna_Rok Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 6 months delay for console i wonder why that is yeah, i also wonder why "the elder bugs online" takes more time for console...
ElectricSheep Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Yeah, imagine porting something that's so bugged and unstable to begin with on a new architecture you have no experience with. This train wreck doesn't want to stop.
Mebrilia Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 I just can't describe the disgust i have for the whole TESO thing... But worst are the blind fanboys ready to defend the game at all costs even envisioning allucination or brainstorming... I was discussing why Dunmer should not have eye different from red by the lores..first the guy stated there are not dunmer with no red eyes in TESO then when another my friend posted the screen of dunmers with silver or gold eyes he claimed... Wow this is interesting i wonder at the plane thing molag bal is causing... Impling that dunmer changed the eye color cause of molag bal influence.... Seriously..... "Stop right there you Zenimax scam! You violated the lore! Pay the real TES games a proper homage or serve your sentence, your TES franchise license is now forfeit."
D7Rock88 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Dunmer are supposed to have red eyes only? Well I guess Karliah, the dunmer chick from thieve's guild quest line in skyrim, never got that message.
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Karliah is probabbly different since belong to Nocturnal... But just read the azura curse on them..
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