D7Rock88 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 So what your saying is that Karliah is different because she belongs to Nocturnal? As in because of Nocturnal's influence Karliah's eye color is different? So this is ok then, Nocturnal's influence can change their eye color, but Molag Bal, another daedric prince, his influence can't. No for Molag Bal its a lore violation if his influence causes that right?
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 She is the only Dunmer in the game whose eyes are not red (instead violet) due to her relation with Nocturnal. Her armor is a lighter shade of gray than the Guild Master's Armor Set, and has the same brown-colored straps and satchels of the Thieves Guild Armor. from the wiki... Is different... Karliah is not a ordinary Nocturnal worshipper is in fact a Nightngale and those have a bound for life mark on them with the daedric prince.. Also consider her background... She was trained in the art of thievery by her mother, Dralsi Indoril, and is the granddaughter of Drayven Indoril, who was rumored to be a descendant of the Dunmer saintIndoril Nerevar. She was also involved romantically with Gallus Desidenius, who called her "My Little Nightingale." A former partner in the Thieves Guild with Mercer Frey, Karliah was exiled from the guild for 25 years after he framed her for Gallus' murder. In theory lord nerevar was murdered by the tribunal this imply the azura curse is not effective with him for two reason...first....nerevar was dead...second nerevar died serving azura...Thi of course if she is discendent of Nerevar can justify she have different eyes from red.....
GrimReaper Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 The player characters in TESO are literally a construct made by Molag Bal. I think that beats serving Nocturnal as a special snowflake.
venomg3 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 What's the opposite of fanboyism? I'm beginning to dislike that term a lot. it's overused like the word epic. I guess because your not supposed to defend your own opinion when it gets attacked. sounds PC to me. i will take fanboy and epic over the rampant abuse of the word Lore, especially in a games like elder scrolls, where entire events are subject to player hearsay, and ingame books that are subject to whatever the npc next to the ink and quill wanted to put down. example from mebrilla post above consider, was rumored , In theory and since were playing the lore game mebrilla The Dawnguard DLC has established that the magic to change how you look exists, therefor making lore about looks irrelevant
ElectricSheep Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Not that I'm particularly interested in this exchange, but if it's due to Molag Bal, then shouldn't all the Dark Elves in TESO have the same eye color, be it purple or gold? Why marking some of your servants while others not? It doesn't make much sense to me. There's a saying that the exception proves the rule, and that exception here was Karliah (pretty much like Drizzt Do'Urden in Forgotten Realms). If you want to change something that is well established in lore, at least provide an explanation.
GrimReaper Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Not that I'm particularly interested in this exchange, but if it's due to Molag Bal, then shouldn't all the Dark Elves in TESO have the same eye color, be it purple or gold? Why marking some of your servants while others not? It doesn't make much sense to me. There's a saying that the exception proves the rule, and that exception here was Karliah (pretty much like Drizzt Do'Urden in Forgotten Realms). If you want to change something that is well established in lore, at least provide an explanation. I think it's mostly to give people options to individualize their player character. Lore serves the gameplay and not the other way around, that's why Cyrodiil isn't a jungle anymore etc. From what I have seen, all Dunmer NPCs do have some sort of red eyes, only player characters are an exception to the rule. Because the player characters are more or less made by Molag Bal so he can have fun with them. You're an imperfect copy of who you were before you arrived in Coldharbour and got your soul stolen. Created for the sole purpose of being enslaved and tortured. Or something like that.
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Not that I'm particularly interested in this exchange, but if it's due to Molag Bal, then shouldn't all the Dark Elves in TESO have the same eye color, be it purple or gold? Why marking some of your servants while others not? It doesn't make much sense to me. There's a saying that the exception proves the rule, and that exception here was Karliah (pretty much like Drizzt Do'Urden in Forgotten Realms). If you want to change something that is well established in lore, at least provide an explanation. I think it's mostly to give people options to individualize their player character. Lore serves the gameplay and not the other way around, that's why Cyrodiil isn't a jungle anymore etc. From what I have seen, all Dunmer NPCs do have some sort of red eyes, only player characters are an exception to the rule. Because the player characters are more or less made by Molag Bal so he can have fun with them. You're an imperfect copy of who you were before you arrived in Coldharbour and got your soul stolen. Created for the sole purpose of being enslaved and tortured. Or something like that that is not true...there are a lot of dunmer npc even mechant in teso that have purple or gold sometime even pink eyes.....Karliah have a bound for life with nocturnal that's why her eye color are different..Should not even be considered like a normal dunmer considering the background....
ElectricSheep Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I think it's mostly to give people options to individualize their player character. Lore serves the gameplay and not the other way around, that's why Cyrodiil isn't a jungle anymore etc. Well ok, but you can't just change established rules as you see fit, otherwise any lore serves no purpose. Dunmers always had red eyes and there's a reason for that, so if they decided to make some exceptions they should've provided an explanation (just like they did with Karliah). It's just fucking cheap and lazy to do it like that because "more customization".
GrimReaper Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 that is not true...there are a lot of dunmer npc even mechant in teso that have purple or gold sometime even pink eyes.....Karliah have a bound for life with nocturnal that's why her eye color are different..Should not even be considered like a normal dunmer considering the background.... This may very well be true, but the Dunmer NPCs I have seen in the game all have some kind of red or black-red eyes. If some of them have another eye color it may very well be an oversight from the developers. Well ok, but you can't just change established rules as you see fit, otherwise any lore serves no purpose. Dunmers always had red eyes and there's a reason for that, so if they decided to make some exceptions they should've provided an explanation (just like they did with Karliah). It's just fucking cheap and lazy to do it like that because "more customization". Like I said, the player characters are imperfect copies of their former self created by Molag Bal. If there are Dunmer NPCs that break the established rules (I haven't seen one, tbh) it's most likely an oversight because most Dunmer NPCs do have red eyes.
...0... Posted May 12, 2014 Author Posted May 12, 2014 Majority don't want alien looking characters with red eyes they want human looking. Look at how many humanize khajiit and argonian with mods. I loved how races looked and walk in morrowind but no bethesda feel the need to humanize those beast races Zenimax as so many go for main stream that just don't want weird so khajiit and argonians walk and look alot more human.
GrimReaper Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 http://www.ign.com/blogs/tengu230/2011/08/17/a-visual-history-the-elder-scrolls-series-khajiit
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 http://www.ign.com/blogs/tengu230/2011/08/17/a-visual-history-the-elder-scrolls-series-khajiit Consider also that the lore of tes are actually born with daggerfall... Lore in arena still had to be extabilished.. Also Khajit have nice race variation.. more beast like...other less beast like...
GrimReaper Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Doesn't really matter. The playable Khajiit race went from human -> human with tail -> anthropomorphic animal with weird feet to generic anthropomorphic animal (hello, furries).
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 it matters when the lores was properly done... Arena was not even meant to be an rpg in the beginning but just a dungeon crawling game... the lore started with daggerfall Also lore serves the gameplay... this is the most dumb statement i ever ear... When the lore is broken for the sake of but is better that for gameplay.. you will have shallow game defined rpg but having almost nothing of RPG elements.... ((seek an example? dragon age 2 and TES: Oblivion)) I miss the time well CRPG was build around the lores instead of messing with the lore for a gameplay point of view (also arguable this) This is mostly the reason why the 4th ediction of dungeons and dragons sucked so bad that they felt the need to make a 5th based on the fanbase feedback...and il aslo the reason why the pen and paper Vampire the masquerade is being ported back... Because his newer Vampire requiem countepart again sucked so bad.. Of course when you have an in depth roleplay setting and you see the lores letterally Raped for the sake of gameplay is normal people complain.....But again... only who actually LOVE rpg complain... not the casual gamers...
ElectricSheep Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Like I said, the player characters are imperfect copies of their former self created by Molag Bal. If there are Dunmer NPCs that break the established rules (I haven't seen one, tbh) it's most likely an oversight because most Dunmer NPCs do have red eyes. I dunno if it's an oversight or just laziness, all I'm saying is it shouldn't be there. Some Dunmers having yellow eyes and some not due to being poor copies sounds like a poor explanation for the sake of explanation (is it official, btw?). To me lore is like evolution: it can progress but not backtrack; once established can be developed further but not backward.
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Like I said, the player characters are imperfect copies of their former self created by Molag Bal. If there are Dunmer NPCs that break the established rules (I haven't seen one, tbh) it's most likely an oversight because most Dunmer NPCs do have red eyes. I dunno if it's an oversight or just laziness, all I'm saying is it shouldn't be there. Some Dunmers having yellow eyes and some not due to being poor copies sounds like a poor explanation for the sake of explanation (is it official, btw?). To me lore is like evolution: it can progress but not backtrack; once established can be developed further but not backward. nope is not official at all...This changed eye because of molag bal thingy wast just a bland excuse potrayed by a my friend on defense of TESO
ElectricSheep Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 nope is not official at all...This changed eye because of molag bal thingy wast just a bland excuse potrayed by a my friend on defense of TESO So it's just apologism. Why am I not surprised?
...0... Posted May 12, 2014 Author Posted May 12, 2014 Oh you guys still on the TESO discussion, i almost forgot it even excist Nope still not convinced i am still on the ignore TESO mode. Cya in couple of weeks telling you i'm still not buying this TESO crap
ElectricSheep Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I'm not interested in TESO, never was. This discussion revolves around some wider issues though, like TES franchise in general, which I am interested in.
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 The issue is only one sadly... In past we had more in depth title aimed for people that loves rpg... Morrowind is an example.....then something changed they started to make rpg for people that dislikes rpg..... And in the end now we have a shallow mmo...that have nothing to do with tes
ElectricSheep Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Yeah, AAA gaming is consistently going down the toilet since 2005 and I don't see the trend changing anytime soon. Whoever's claiming it's just "nostalgia" or bitching for the sake of bitching is either stupid or far too deluded to be worth talking to. There's not a whole lot of things you can do aside from not buying shit games or fighting the good fight with your posts. I hope this turd is going to bomb another Yucatán crater.
...0... Posted May 12, 2014 Author Posted May 12, 2014 Well still have hope for The Witcher 3 they are not so poluted with $$$ yet and they also offer it DRM free thats rare these days. Have little more faith in european developers then US or Asia. But future will tell if my faith is not betrayed again hehe At the moment buying some nostalgia on GOG.COM game sin for 2 euro bought 3 games so far today with crazy sales today.
Mebrilia Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Ever you notice how the new rpg trailers work in modern days?.... Scheme: People say epic lines... Fire o Explosion... Shiny things overall... Or ever noticed how the so called roleplayers today mention voice acting like a feature?...(even if with full voice acted game the in depth dialogues lines are less and less due to voice actor costs..so the game will have less contents..) ....I think some are really confusing rpg with... TV series..
ElectricSheep Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Why changing a scheme if it works? After that scripted Skyrim trailer was released every manchild in the world started to beat his cock, the same is true for the new DA3 trailer. EP1C, AKSHUN, WHEN YOU PUSH A BUTTON SOMETHING AWESOME HAS TO HAPPEN, YOU'RE THE ONLY WHO CAN DO IT, DORITOS, MOUNTAIN DEW!!!!1111 I have some faith in my countrymen from CDPR, but I'm much more interested in CP2077 than in TW3. Also, there's Obsidian.
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