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[ousnius]

 

 

@dorn: The bone weights are not the problem. The skin transformations for the bones are the problem. OS recalculates them every time you save/export an outfit/body. It uses a reference SKELETON (don't mistake it for the reference BODY) for this, and on this skeleton the breasts bones seem to be a little misplaced.

Any chance you can explain what skin transformations are? I thought it was just all vertexs, bone weights, materials, textures, and skin partitions.

I am not really sure myself what skin transformations are for. They seem to be an additional layer of transformations between bones and vertices. You can find them in nifskope under NiTriShapeData->BSDismemberSkinInstance->NiSkinData. Each shape has one global skin transformation (which seems to be ignored by Skyrim) and one skin transformation for each bone. I think they represent something like a "zero" position for the bones (something like, where was the bone when the shape was created).

 

NIF files have tons of translation/offset/scale/rotation values. There's the scene root of the whole NIF file, then there's the values for each shape, the NiSkinData skin transformations for each shape. NiSkinPartitions can also hold translations I think, as well as each bone in the NIF.

 

And all of those can either be applied or not.

 

That's why it's so hard/impossible to make Outfit Studio always work 100% correct for all outfits.

[arthurh3535]

 

 

 

 

It seems I did have the correct understanding of how "zapping" works. I tried it with the CBBE Advanced Reference and that seemed to work, although it also gave me some other alignment issues, but I'll probably be able to fix those on my own.

Actually, take a look at the panties/bra zaps. If you go really slow, you can see them being 'pushed in' and not being visible.

 

You can't delete 'part' of a shape in Outfit Studio, though you can just fully delete shapes if you want, no need for a zap.

[XunAmarox]

Anyone know how to make CB++ and CalienteBodyAdvanced slider presets compatible? If I make a nice preset on one the sliders will be totally off on the other.

[arthurh3535]

Anyone know how to make CB++ and CalienteBodyAdvanced slider presets compatible? If I make a nice preset on one the sliders will be totally off on the other.

They are supposed to be pretty similar, but really, I just made a new preset with the CalienteAdvanced version and I've been using that to make everything.

[XunAmarox]

For some reason it doesn't seem like the presets work at all for the CalienteBodyAdvanced... I made some new ones but the sliders just don't stick, it's like the vast majority of the sliders aren't actually being saved.

[dTd]

Has anyone gotten anywhere on the boot/glove/gauntlet front? I'd really like to know the procedure if there is one for resizing these.

[XunAmarox]

The only grain of sand I was given was the Move Verticles tool, but that's too much of a ridiculous pain in the ass that it isn't even worth attempting it.

[warnecruid]

Has anyone gotten anywhere on the boot/glove/gauntlet front? I'd really like to know the procedure if there is one for resizing these.

The same procedure as the main outfit

[WrythePhokas]

This may have been addressed before, but the thread moves so fast I might have missed it. I've managed to change a few outfits (thanks again for the tool - best Christmas gift ever), but a couple of them are giving me headaches. Young Trap is one of them. 

 

 

 

This is from the preview window in Bodyslide.

 

And this is from Nifscope

 

Everything looks alright, right? But when I put the outfit on in game it looks like this.

 

I'm all for skimpy clothes, but this isn't what I'm looking for for this particular outfit. 

 

 

 

Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong?

[arthurh3535]

That really looks like bone weighting for TBBP or BBP not being set up right for the outfit.

[hafertaler]

I fiddled around with the Kunoichi Armor http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/17876/? but I run into a problem. The .nif that gets created has MAJOR errors, every time I do it.

 

 

 

""device position incorrect after block number 10 (NiSkinInstance) at 0x5fca3 ended at 0x5fccb (expected 0x5fcc7)""

""array Bone List much too large. 1065353216 bytes requested""

""device position incorrect after block number 11 (NiSkinData) at 0x5fcc7 ended at 0x5fd00 (expected 0x6ac14)""

""array Skin Partition Blocks much too large. 1025273588 bytes requested""

""device position incorrect after block number 12 (NiSkinPartition) at 0x6ac14 ended at 0x6ac18 (expected 0x7ab46)""

""array Extra Data List invalid""

""device position incorrect after block number 13 (BSLightingShaderProperty) at 0x7ab46 ended at 0x7ab52 (expected 0x7abaa)""

""array Textures much too large. 1073741824 bytes requested""

""device position incorrect after block number 14 (BSShaderTextureSet) at 0x7abaa ended at 0x7abae (expected 0x7ac3e)""

""device position incorrect after block number 15 (NiTriShape) at 0x7ac3e ended at 0x129631 (expected 0x7ac9f)""

""device position incorrect after block number 16 (NiTriShapeData) at 0x7ac9f ended at 0x7aca3 (expected 0xb9b47)""

""device position incorrect after block number 17 (NiSkinInstance) at 0xb9b47 ended at 0xb9b4b (expected 0xb9b83)""

""device position incorrect after block number 18 (NiSkinData) at 0xb9b83 ended at 0xb9bb3 (expected 0xcb2be)""

""device position incorrect after block number 19 (NiSkinPartition) at 0xcb2be ended at 0xcb2c2 (expected 0xe6324)""

""device position incorrect after block number 20 (BSLightingShaderProperty) at 0xe6324 ended at 0xe6328 (expected 0xe6388)""

""device position incorrect after block number 21 (BSShaderTextureSet) at 0xe6388 ended at 0xe638c (expected 0xe6416)""

""device position incorrect after block number 22 (NiNode) at 0xe6416 ended at 0xe641a (expected 0xe6466)""

""device position incorrect after block number 23 (NiNode) at 0xe6466 ended at 0xe646a (expected 0xe64b6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 24 (NiNode) at 0xe64b6 ended at 0xe64ba (expected 0xe6506)""

""device position incorrect after block number 25 (NiNode) at 0xe6506 ended at 0xe650a (expected 0xe6556)""

""device position incorrect after block number 26 (NiNode) at 0xe6556 ended at 0xe655a (expected 0xe65a6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 27 (NiNode) at 0xe65a6 ended at 0xe65aa (expected 0xe65f6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 28 (NiNode) at 0xe65f6 ended at 0xe65fa (expected 0xe6646)""

""device position incorrect after block number 29 (NiNode) at 0xe6646 ended at 0xe664a (expected 0xe6696)""

""device position incorrect after block number 30 (NiNode) at 0xe6696 ended at 0xe669a (expected 0xe66e6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 31 (NiNode) at 0xe66e6 ended at 0xe66ea (expected 0xe6736)""

""device position incorrect after block number 32 (NiNode) at 0xe6736 ended at 0xe673a (expected 0xe6786)""

""device position incorrect after block number 33 (NiNode) at 0xe6786 ended at 0xe678a (expected 0xe67d6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 34 (NiNode) at 0xe67d6 ended at 0xe67da (expected 0xe6826)""

""device position incorrect after block number 35 (NiNode) at 0xe6826 ended at 0xe682a (expected 0xe6876)""

""device position incorrect after block number 36 (NiNode) at 0xe6876 ended at 0xe687a (expected 0xe68c6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 37 (NiNode) at 0xe68c6 ended at 0xe68ca (expected 0xe6916)""

""device position incorrect after block number 38 (NiNode) at 0xe6916 ended at 0xe691a (expected 0xe6966)""

""device position incorrect after block number 39 (NiNode) at 0xe6966 ended at 0xe696a (expected 0xe69b6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 40 (NiNode) at 0xe69b6 ended at 0xe69ba (expected 0xe6a06)""

""device position incorrect after block number 41 (NiNode) at 0xe6a06 ended at 0xe6a0a (expected 0xe6a56)""

""device position incorrect after block number 42 (NiNode) at 0xe6a56 ended at 0xe6a5a (expected 0xe6aa6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 43 (NiNode) at 0xe6aa6 ended at 0xe6aaa (expected 0xe6af6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 44 (NiNode) at 0xe6af6 ended at 0xe6afa (expected 0xe6b46)""

""device position incorrect after block number 45 (NiNode) at 0xe6b46 ended at 0xe6b4a (expected 0xe6b96)""

""device position incorrect after block number 46 (NiNode) at 0xe6b96 ended at 0xe6b9a (expected 0xe6be6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 47 (NiNode) at 0xe6be6 ended at 0xe6bea (expected 0xe6c36)""

""device position incorrect after block number 48 (NiNode) at 0xe6c36 ended at 0xe6c3a (expected 0xe6c86)""

""device position incorrect after block number 49 (NiTriShape) at 0xe6c86 ended at 0xe6c8a (expected 0xe6ce7)""

""device position incorrect after block number 50 (NiTriShapeData) at 0xe6ce7 ended at 0xe6ceb (expected 0x1014fb)""

""device position incorrect after block number 51 (BSDismemberSkinInstance) at 0x1014fb ended at 0x1014ff (expected 0x10156f)""

""device position incorrect after block number 52 (NiSkinData) at 0x10156f ended at 0x10159f (expected 0x10ceb6)""

""device position incorrect after block number 53 (NiSkinPartition) at 0x10ceb6 ended at 0x10ceba (expected 0x1294c0)""

""device position incorrect after block number 54 (BSLightingShaderProperty) at 0x1294c0 ended at 0x1294c4 (expected 0x129530)""

""device position incorrect after block number 55 (BSShaderTextureSet) at 0x129530 ended at 0x129534 (expected 0x129625)""

"failed to load file footer"

""infinite recursive link construct detected 15 -> 0""

 

 

as you can see... it's bad ^^ 

When I open the armor in OS2, there are actually three body shapes attached to it (original mod), so what I always did was to delete all three.

Then I do the usual routine, fix the initial clipping, conform the sliders, check at different slider values for clipping and in the end I copy the base shape and copy the bone weight to all shapes. 

Now  for other armors that works, but with this one every time I get those errors when I open the nif with nifskope and the game itself doesn't like it too much ; )

When I open the original armor in nifskope there are no errors of course, so I'm assuming it has something to do with deleting those three initial shapes, since that is something I didn't encounter so far, since there's usually just one.

Sooo... does anyone have an idea how to fix that? 

 

Edit: so I tried again and saw, that those three bodies are actually parts of the whole body, there is the main part of the body and the other two parts are the lower parts of the legs and the lower parts of the arms.

[WrythePhokas]

That really looks like bone weighting for TBBP or BBP not being set up right for the outfit.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I followed the "Make everything (T)BBP" tutorial from the Nexus page - i.e. used my tppb body as a reference and copied the bone weights from the body to the outfit. This is obviously not enough. Does this mean I have to weight-paint the outfit?

 

I think Young Trap comes with some kind of jiggle out of the box, so maybe that is screwing with the process?

[h38fh2mf]

The black spots are definitely caused by messed up normals. After selecting "face normals" in nifskope for the converted prisoner outfit, all black spots are gone.

Can I fix this some other way ? Nifskope isn't working for me anymore.

[dorn]

For some reason it doesn't seem like the presets work at all for the CalienteBodyAdvanced... I made some new ones but the sliders just don't stick, it's like the vast majority of the sliders aren't actually being saved.

This usually happens if you save it after setting the base shape. You need to "conform" to the sliders. Then fix clipping on the sliders by clicking the little pencil icon next to them.

[dTd]

 

Has anyone gotten anywhere on the boot/glove/gauntlet front? I'd really like to know the procedure if there is one for resizing these.

The same procedure as the main outfit

 

 

Alright, I gave that a try, no reference feet in the list, or if I do select dream girl high>low there's certainly no feet appearing. I tried loading a reference nif, the actual dream girl feet, but they are a long way above the shoes/boots I want to resize, lets say an offset of more than 20 at least. I quit at this point. If you've done this please consider a more detailed explanation for us idiots

[Guest]

After a first couple of days of mixed but encouraging results converting stuff I've hit a total brick wall with every armor mod I've tried to do these last two days. All of them were unpb andt had quite a number of fiddly parts to them. When I follow the same process of 'everything to everything' as per nexus posted guide, all those parts are so out of whack with the reference body and none of the tools OS comes with seem able to help me put them right, it's like none of those options have enough range of effect or something, if that makes any sense. I also can't find a way to move groups of meshes together, ie linked chains. I did search for a way but nothing I tried seemed to work. 

 

 

here  the neck pieces are way out of alignment with the neckline and the girdle parts are all miles off the waist and virtually every piece is at different depths, the bra area is so far off that I'd have days of nudging and cajoling with move/inflate/deflate ahead and still end up with a mangled, tortured mess of mesh smeared everywhere. And those little chains a;l need to be hand placed too....bleh 

 

 

And even when I have managed to get one of these more complex armors more or less looking right in OS (after 8 hours of hairpulling I might add), when I load them up in game I end up with a leg morph sticking out of my body at a right angle like something out of SIlent Hill. 

 

I think it's mostly me tbh, being too ambitious and having too little knowledge, but I still want to kick a puppy. 

 

As of now I'm reduced to using this brilliant thing to give my armors some bottom jiggle, which is no small thing in itself really. Not a rant btw, just a noob expressing frustration at their own lack of skills. 

[XunAmarox]

 

For some reason it doesn't seem like the presets work at all for the CalienteBodyAdvanced... I made some new ones but the sliders just don't stick, it's like the vast majority of the sliders aren't actually being saved.

This usually happens if you save it after setting the base shape. You need to "conform" to the sliders. Then fix clipping on the sliders by clicking the little pencil icon next to them.

 

I'm not talking about Outfit Studio. I'm talking about Bodyslide 2.

[ousnius]

here  the neck pieces are way out of alignment with the neckline and the girdle parts are all miles off the waist and virtually every piece is at different depths, the bra area is so far off that I'd have days of nudging and cajoling with move/inflate/deflate ahead and still end up with a mangled, tortured mess of mesh smeared everywhere. And those little chains a;l need to be hand placed too....bleh

 

"Shape -> Move Vertices". 

 

Select the shape that has the big offset and do that.

Note: not the body shape

[unicorn]

 

That really looks like bone weighting for TBBP or BBP not being set up right for the outfit.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I followed the "Make everything (T)BBP" tutorial from the Nexus page - i.e. used my tppb body as a reference and copied the bone weights from the body to the outfit. This is obviously not enough. Does this mean I have to weight-paint the outfit?

 

I think Young Trap comes with some kind of jiggle out of the box, so maybe that is screwing with the process?

 

 

You need to add tbbp weight on the body too. Else there is no animation on boobs, and you get that result as the outfit moves but boobs doesnt.

 

Here is what I do, load nif outfit, load tbbp ref. Copy bone weight to everything, manually remove any un-wanted weight on for example the skirts tigh bone weight, so it doesnt stretch along run movement. Remember you still need it fully weighted so it appears in-game, by for example adding weight via spine bone.

 

[Guest]

 

here  the neck pieces are way out of alignment with the neckline and the girdle parts are all miles off the waist and virtually every piece is at different depths, the bra area is so far off that I'd have days of nudging and cajoling with move/inflate/deflate ahead and still end up with a mangled, tortured mess of mesh smeared everywhere. And those little chains a;l need to be hand placed too....bleh

 

"Shape -> Move Vertices". 

 

Select the shape that has the big offset and do that.

Note: not the body shape

 

Yeah I  managed to get some pieces more or less in place by using that, a lot of trial and error getting the right numbers which was why I didn't stick with that before, but it did work in the end so thanks. 

 

I've read that the leg morphing thing might be a bug with the 7b reference body and found a suggested way to resolve it which I'll try. 

[vdha]

 

Did someone figure out what the CHSBHC presets are? Tried to see whether I couldn't simply "import" the chsbhc but that doesn't seem to be the case :< 

Tried fiddling around but I'm just not getting anywhere...

 

CHSBHC will be in the next version. You can expect it to be released in less than a week.

 

Alright, thanks for the quick reply btw  

[Madisonx]

I know others have had this problem, but I can't seem to find a fix that I understand...

 

Started creating some new bodies with Bodyslide 2 and using them in game. Everything seemed fine. Then at some point I started getting those awful ankle gaps. I cannot for the life of me figure out what causes it or how to fix it. I've tried messing with various sliders to include the ankle slider, but it seems to be happening no matter what body I use and what texture I use with it. The ankle gaps always show up when the character is naked, regardless of anything else I use such as the weight slider.

 

Mostly been using CBBE Advanced TBBP as a base and working from there.

 

Any ideas on what I am doing wrong or how to fix it?

 

Thank you!

[Doraleus]

I know others have had this problem, but I can't seem to find a fix that I understand...

 

Started creating some new bodies with Bodyslide 2 and using them in game. Everything seemed fine. Then at some point I started getting those awful ankle gaps. I cannot for the life of me figure out what causes it or how to fix it. I've tried messing with various sliders to include the ankle slider, but it seems to be happening no matter what body I use and what texture I use with it. The ankle gaps always show up when the character is naked, regardless of anything else I use such as the weight slider.

 

Mostly been using CBBE Advanced TBBP as a base and working from there.

 

Any ideas on what I am doing wrong or how to fix it?

 

Thank you!

 

I'm also having the same issue. =/ (I use UNPB, made an advance body with TBBP in bodyslide)

 

I was actually surprised the wrist and neck seams are fine but the ankles have a gap and texture problem. I also tried tweaking the sliders and found no success. 

[Madisonx]

 

I know others have had this problem, but I can't seem to find a fix that I understand...

 

Started creating some new bodies with Bodyslide 2 and using them in game. Everything seemed fine. Then at some point I started getting those awful ankle gaps. I cannot for the life of me figure out what causes it or how to fix it. I've tried messing with various sliders to include the ankle slider, but it seems to be happening no matter what body I use and what texture I use with it. The ankle gaps always show up when the character is naked, regardless of anything else I use such as the weight slider.

 

Mostly been using CBBE Advanced TBBP as a base and working from there.

 

Any ideas on what I am doing wrong or how to fix it?

 

Thank you!

 

I'm also having the same issue. =/ (I use UNPB, made an advance body with TBBP in bodyslide)

 

I was actually surprised the wrist and neck seams are fine but the ankles have a gap and texture problem. I also tried tweaking the sliders and found no success. 

 

 

Yeah seems like lots of people run into this, but I can't find a no kidding solution anywhere. I feel like their is a logical answer to this, and I'm sure someone can explain it.

 

I saw one person talking about the ankle slider and thought that might be impacting it, but I have tried that at 0, 20/40 low/high weight, 100, and it always ends up the same.

 

Really hope someone can help us with this!

 

[h38fh2mf]

I have ankle gap too. I was going to just leave it becacuse I seem to have all the possible problems and usually the only one who has but if you guys have it too I dare speak up now.