Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[Oriloceech]

Honestly, how has this thread not been stickied? This is one of the longest running mods on this site.

[DeepBlueFrog]

4 hours ago, Eddie said:

Good night, fellows

 

I'm a big fan of this mod, but I lost touch with the new versions, I'm still using 3.55 version.

 

I came back to play Skyrim some days ago, and something weird happened. Started a new game and lost a fight to some bandits, me and Lydia. Both got raped by Defeat and than enslaved. After that, I couldn't talk anymore with Lydia. She follows me, but if I press E, nothing appears, not even the SL Dialogues options, and sometimes she answers with "...". And that still happens even after killing my captors and removing all devious devices, she follows me naked, attacks enemies, but I can't talk to her, not even to dismiss her as follower or to give her some gear. The only thing I can do is to keep E pressed to enter that command state where you point at something to her do.

 

Tried some console commands to fix it, resetAI, disable and enable, disable and player.placeatme, removed her devious devices via console, markfordelete and player.placeatme, even recycleactor, but none of them worked.

 

I'm pretty sure this bug is happening when SDPlus is activating, I used some saves and even after the Defeat rape, everything was normal.

 

I got a ton of mods, so I'll list the ones I think can have some kind of interaction, and in their load order

 

SexLabFramework v162 FULL

T3nd0s Skyrim Redone

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul

SexLabAroused V28b

Devious Devices Assets

Devious Devices Integration

EZ2C Dialogue Menu - configurable - better navigation and control

Death Alternative - Your Money or Your Life

Devious Devices Expansion

SL Defeat v5.3.5

SLDialogues27

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul

Hearthfire multiple adoptions - Now with custom home support for kids and spouse

SDPlus355

 

I would appreciate your help, I don't want to stop using this mod

 

 

 

Unfortunately that was one of the unresolved bugs in 3.55

 

I had to remove slavery devices from followers in the latest version to avoid that bug.

 

My only advice would be to install the last version and load an earlier saved game before you got enslaved with Lydia.

[Bane Master]

10 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

Unfortunately that was one of the unresolved bugs in 3.55

 

I had to remove slavery devices from followers in the latest version to avoid that bug.

 

My only advice would be to install the last version and load an earlier saved game before you got enslaved with Lydia.

I have a vague memory of fixing a situation like this by removing s ??Zaz AP Slave Faction that was being applied to followers on SD enslave and was prevented dialogue - mind you this was a while ago so it might not be the same issue.

 

I think the faction was zbfFactionSlave

[DeepBlueFrog]

26 minutes ago, Bane Master said:

I have a vague memory of fixing a situation like this by removing s ??Zaz AP Slave Faction that was being applied to followers on SD enslave and was prevented dialogue - mind you this was a while ago so it might not be the same issue.

 

I think the faction was zbfFactionSlave

That was a lead.but it turned out to not work all that well.

[kapibar]

Something strange is happening and I don't know if it's a bug or rather a feature.

 

After being enslaved by Sanguine the PC is crawling, even after the slavery has ended. When I try to break the crawl by standing, the position resets itself to a crawl.

 

Anyone knows if this is supposed to happen, and if so - is it permanent? The game is quite unplayable in constant crawl.

[keitsoru]

On 9/11/2019 at 6:31 PM, Adviser69 said:

To all players of the mod on SE:
 

I just got back, and I'm working on converting the updates as we speak. Please have a bit of patience for at least a few more days. Thank you.

Hey, I commented previously, but no one seems to have responded.

In the SE version, cage markers seem to be off for me. I always get placed in front of the cage door.

[zonderbunny]

I was able to give Sanguine the mead (though I had to get rid of all other drinks first or he wouldn't accept it). But he won't give me the option to leave. Do I need to stay in the grove a certain amount of time? I know I can coc out but I'd like to get out legit if I can.

 

Oh, also not sure if its intended but he didn't take any of my gear or anything like that either.

[lolic]

On 9/16/2019 at 4:53 AM, Eddie said:

Good night, fellows

 

I'm a big fan of this mod, but I lost touch with the new versions, I'm still using 3.55 version.

 

I came back to play Skyrim some days ago, and something weird happened. Started a new game and lost a fight to some bandits, me and Lydia. Both got raped by Defeat and than enslaved. After that, I couldn't talk anymore with Lydia. She follows me, but if I press E, nothing appears, not even the SL Dialogues options, and sometimes she answers with "...". And that still happens even after killing my captors and removing all devious devices, she follows me naked, attacks enemies, but I can't talk to her, not even to dismiss her as follower or to give her some gear. The only thing I can do is to keep E pressed to enter that command state where you point at something to her do.

 

Tried some console commands to fix it, resetAI, disable and enable, disable and player.placeatme, removed her devious devices via console, markfordelete and player.placeatme, even recycleactor, but none of them worked.

 

I'm pretty sure this bug is happening when SDPlus is activating, I used some saves and even after the Defeat rape, everything was normal.

 

I got a ton of mods, so I'll list the ones I think can have some kind of interaction, and in their load order

 

I would appreciate your help, I don't want to stop using this mod

 

 

 

On 9/16/2019 at 9:31 AM, DeepBlueFrog said:

Unfortunately that was one of the unresolved bugs in 3.55

 

I had to remove slavery devices from followers in the latest version to avoid that bug.

 

My only advice would be to install the last version and load an earlier saved game before you got enslaved with Lydia.

I sometimes encounter this problem, especially the "..." dialogue, when the PC and follower get enslaved via SL Defeat, also in the newer versions of SD+.

 

I noticed that cleaning all actors affected by SL Defeat using the Defeat tools on "0" usually resolves that issue. At least for me.

[Vinnymonster]

When Sanguine places the corset, boots and gloves on my character, the corset is invisible, the boots and gloves make my hands invisible and if I try to wear my normal clothes after managing to remove the corset, my body becomes invisible.

[DeepBlueFrog]

52 minutes ago, Vinnymonster said:

When Sanguine places the corset, boots and gloves on my character, the corset is invisible, the boots and gloves make my hands invisible and if I try to wear my normal clothes after managing to remove the corset, my body becomes invisible.

If your character is make, you will need to install Devious Devices for Him.

 

Are Devious Devices working on your character outside of SD+?

[kapibar]

@DeepBlueFrog not to be a nagger, but I could really use your help with my crawling problem.
 

 

[Adviser69]

8 hours ago, keitsoru said:

Hey, I commented previously, but no one seems to have responded.

In the SE version, cage markers seem to be off for me. I always get placed in front of the cage door.

That is actually a bug that carried over from the LE version. I believe it's on Deep's fix list. But it's also corrected with SD Patches by Inte, which I'm in the middle of converting along with a stable version of Prison Overhaul and the updated version of Devious Devices - Equip. I just need a bit more time with testing, since I just converted the September update.

[Bane Master]

23 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

That was a lead.but it turned out to not work all that well.

Iolic is right - defeat can cause a similar lock out, maybe the unreliability was interaction between the two issues.

[donttouchmethere]

21 hours ago, kapibar said:

Something strange is happening and I don't know if it's a bug or rather a feature.

 

After being enslaved by Sanguine the PC is crawling, even after the slavery has ended. When I try to break the crawl by standing, the position resets itself to a crawl.

 

Anyone knows if this is supposed to happen, and if so - is it permanent? The game is quite unplayable in constant crawl.

More info needed or a screenshot.

Is it a SD crawl animation or does it looks more like a DD petsuit crawl? => SD animations will break with DD cuff front and show a petsuit crawl animation

You have YPS or devious training installed? => crawl if arched feet

register the SD control keys again, maybe something went wrong?

Other mods in LO that can cause crawling?

Lost a limb with SLS?

 

[kapibar]

@mr pickles

 

>Is it a SD crawl animation or does it looks more like a DD petsuit crawl?

 

Normal SD crawl.

 

>You have YPS or devious training installed?

 

Devious Training - yes. I'll check if this is the issue and get back to you.

 

>register the SD control keys again, maybe something went wrong?

 

Doesn't seem so. PC stands as it should, but after few seconds resets to crawl.

 

>Other mods in LO that can cause crawling?

 

Slaverun I think, but it's inactive in game.

 

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I'm quite sure it has something to do with SD, as I have a save from just before going to the Dreamworld for the first time and everything is fine. After being enslaved by Sanguine - bang, crawling.

 

I'll check if it's not the Devious Training that's messing with the animation, thanks for the tip.

[kapibar]

@mr pickles well, shit, it seems you were right on the first try. I unchecked crawl if arched feet (which I even forgot was there) and everything seem fine.

 

Thank, Mr Pickles. You're a good boy ;).

[DeepBlueFrog]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

@mr pickles well, shit, it seems you were right on the first try. I unchecked crawl if arched feet (which I even forgot was there) and everything seem fine.

 

Thank, Mr Pickles. You're a good boy ;).

Fantastic.

 

I was about to reply I had no idea what could be causing the forced crawl.. I didn't know about that function in Devious Training (assuming it was that mod causing it).

[donttouchmethere]

6 hours ago, kapibar said:

@mr pickles well, shit, it seems you were right on the first try. I unchecked crawl if arched feet (which I even forgot was there) and everything seem fine.

 

Thank, Mr Pickles. You're a good boy ;).

I'm surprised that DT2's "crawl if arched feet" activated in MCM doesn't break all SD animations

Are you using the DT"nearly3"dev build?

 

[donttouchmethere]

4 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

Fantastic.

 

I was about to reply I had no idea what could be causing the forced crawl.. I didn't know about that function in Devious Training (assuming it was that mod causing it).

DT2 crawl if arched feet activated in MCM + newer SD+ versions = breaks SD animation

Posted that here a while ago already ?

 

My guess is: DT2 gets the crawl animation from SD+, but can't find it anymore with newer SD+ versions.

DT2 isn't up to date anymore, but the DTdev version might work again.

[Vinnymonster]

10 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

If your character is make, you will need to install Devious Devices for Him.

 

Are Devious Devices working on your character outside of SD+?

My Character is female.  Don't know if it matters but she started male.  I have the sexchange curse installed.  Odd thing is I can see the items sanguine gave me when I drop them but my character's clothes still make her body vanish.

How do I need to configure Devious Devices?

[Eddie]

On 9/16/2019 at 1:34 AM, donttouchmethere said:

don't be scared and post your full load order via export from your modmanager^^

also easier than typing it all ;D

 

reasons why Lydia might got stuck and possible solutions:

> SLdefeat => likes to mess things up => check SLdefeat MCM debug clean options

> follower manager => check for debug options there too, for example NFF "snap out of it" (works only if dialog is possible tho)

> Death alternative => weee that likes to mess things up, check MCM for debug options

> follower dialog "I want you to do something" => might still be activated and got stuck now, try to end it or if not possible change Lydia's equipment by removing or adding a weapon (via any equipment spell from follower/outfit managers, alternative use console)

> follower still in combat mode => trigger SL scene (via SLF debug spells)  or change Lydia equipment

> Alternative => use STA's "slap NPC ass" works sometimes wonders

> change follower manager => UFO is really the oldest of them all

> SD+ might have tried to move the follower to mistwatch after enslavement and had not enough time => see all possible solutions above xD, also remove any zaz/devious devices from her

 

Thanks, Mr Pickles!

I managed to fix it through factions management!

 

Next time I need, I will export the load order! But is a big list, I have 245 active mods, and I don't remember how I dit to keep it running lol

 

On 9/16/2019 at 4:31 AM, DeepBlueFrog said:

Unfortunately that was one of the unresolved bugs in 3.55

 

I had to remove slavery devices from followers in the latest version to avoid that bug.

 

My only advice would be to install the last version and load an earlier saved game before you got enslaved with Lydia.

Thanks Blue Frog! Now that I fixed it, I'm gonna update SD as soon as possible!

 

On 9/16/2019 at 2:44 PM, Bane Master said:

I have a vague memory of fixing a situation like this by removing s ??Zaz AP Slave Faction that was being applied to followers on SD enslave and was prevented dialogue - mind you this was a while ago so it might not be the same issue.

 

I think the faction was zbfFactionSlave

Thanks for the advice! I cleared all her factions and saw that she came back to normal (kind of), so I made some tests and discovered wich faction was causing this trouble to remove it. In the end, was "NT_AggFaction", and I think it's related to Defeat. And by removing it, I could keep my save ?

 

13 hours ago, lolic said:

I sometimes encounter this problem, especially the "..." dialogue, when the PC and follower get enslaved via SL Defeat, also in the newer versions of SD+.

 

I noticed that cleaning all actors affected by SL Defeat using the Defeat tools on "0" usually resolves that issue. At least for me.

That seems easier than what I did, too bad I saw it only after fixing it!

 

Well, can't thank you enough, guys! Now I put some sense back in Lydia's head, she's not wandering naked in the city anymore (what a whore) or beeing bitchy and not talking with me! Only cause I lead here to a cave to be enslaved and raped by some dirty bandits! Very ungrateful...

[donttouchmethere]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Thanks, Mr Pickles!

I managed to fix it through factions management!

 

Next time I need, I will export the load order! But is a big list, I have 245 active mods, and I don't remember how I dit to keep it running lol

Awesome!

Good idea, need to remember that.

What faction did you change?

(just read you removed them all :O)

"In the end, was "NT_AggFaction", and I think it's related to Defeat." => AH-HA! thx for the investigation

 

I just found another way to fix stuck followers (if it is an animation stuck issue for example, or follower gets confused with his own system and follower manager, or even if follower got bugged by DDs) => Dress Up Lover

It works with a spell, so no dialog needed.

If the option "empty inventory" is chosen => the follower will reequip his complete inventory incl weapons (sheaths/draws/sheaths weapon/spell)

not tried in an emergency, but might get interesting for failed quest scenes or something like that.

[Vinnymonster]

21 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

If your character is make, you will need to install Devious Devices for Him.

 

Are Devious Devices working on your character outside of SD+?

Got it sorted.  Hadn't applied bodyslide correctly.

[Bane Master]

14 hours ago, Eddie said:

In the end, was "NT_AggFaction", and I think it's related to Defeat.

That's really interesting as we now have two factions which can cause the no dialogue bug zbfFactionSlave and NT_AggFaction maybe it will be possible to elucidate the issue from here.

[MyNameIsnt]

Any future plans to expand creature enslavement a bit? I'd be nice to be able to earn allowance points with a creature that would allow for the player to continue questing and adventuring with a furry companion in the same way SD+ handles human enslavement.

 

Being able to transition from straight up creature's bitch to more of a relationship where the creature allows the player to use weapons/armor to defend it but can still demand service from the player.