Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Veladarius said: Yes, the Helper plugs use the edging option which is meant to keep your arousal high but cut off before orgasm. On the anal plugs try selecting the one below the one you want and see if it works. Currently the device selection system for Quest devices and Standard devices work differently even though they use the same base information, I am looking to get these so they use the same system, the one for the standard items is simpler and works better and is more expansive so it will likely be the quest device system that gets overhauled. If you want maximum frustration use a combination of a shocking piercing and a standard piercing or the exciter plug. Can I start with that combination or would I have to wait until I work off the original belt? Which long term options are best for no relief? Chaste life is actually unappealing because the master will remove the belt for supervised relief, right? What about free trial with a very submissive setting? Or being disobedient with chaste spouse?
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Veladarius said: CD is not compliant with DD v4 and there were changes to the armbinders and yokes that prevents CD from removing them. CD also can't detect any other items that bind the hands as all items that bind the hands (hand cuffs, armbinder, yoke straight jacket and similar items) use the HeavyBondage keyword which was used only as a secondary keyword in v3 of DD and not a primary keyword so CD isn't made to look for it. Ok so the fix is to roll back to DD v3? Can then items be removed any other way (console, mcm?)
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Fenroo said: Can I start with that combination or would I have to wait until I work off the original belt? Which long term options are best for no relief? Chaste life is actually unappealing because the master will remove the belt for supervised relief, right? What about free trial with a very submissive setting? Or being disobedient with chaste spouse? Best options for being belted long term: 1 - Free Trial while being very submissive. If you are as submissive as the setting gets the chances of being released are pretty much 0 2 - Being disobedient with chaste spouse will work BUT you will need to do it constantly as punishments and sex with your spouse will reduce the level. 3 - Being in debt. Go and constantly have items removed, especially if it has been less than 4 days since the last time as the prices are doubled. Edit: The ultimate in frustration would be the following but this is extreme: Buy the Exciter and Spoiler plugs from the shop use the console or the mod that allows you to get items from a mod and get the Gods Cursed items. You will have to get a belt, arm and leg cuffs and collar (there is no bra for the set) but make sure you have the plugs in place first as once you get a full set they will be automatically placed on you. The devices are also very heavy, total of about 110 or so combined. The only way to get them off is to go to the old ruins east of Morthal (semicircle wall with an opening on the north side) and approach at midnight. There you will find the cursed god whom you will have to beg for release. Base chance is 0.5% and increases by that amount each time you go and beg for release. Removal of the items via console won't work as it is set up to monitor them and replace them even if it means removing another device (including quest devices). I plan on expanding this into a full quest at some point.
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Veladarius said: Best options for being belted long term: 1 - Free Trial while being very submissive. If you are as submissive as the setting gets the chances of being released are pretty much 0 2 - Being disobedient with chaste spouse will work BUT you will need to do it constantly as punishments and sex with your spouse will reduce the level. 3 - Being in debt. Go and constantly have items removed, especially if it has been less than 4 days since the last time as the prices are doubled. Awesome. I've got to try these out. When you say "as submissive as the setting gets" do you mean the sliders I selected, or the choices I made in conversation?
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, Veladarius said: Best options for being belted long term: 1 - Free Trial while being very submissive. If you are as submissive as the setting gets the chances of being released are pretty much 0 2 - Being disobedient with chaste spouse will work BUT you will need to do it constantly as punishments and sex with your spouse will reduce the level. 3 - Being in debt. Go and constantly have items removed, especially if it has been less than 4 days since the last time as the prices are doubled. Edit: The ultimate in frustration would be the following but this is extreme: Buy the Exciter and Spoiler plugs from the shop use the console or the mod that allows you to get items from a mod and get the Gods Cursed items. You will have to get a belt, arm and leg cuffs and collar (there is no bra for the set) but make sure you have the plugs in place first as once you get a full set they will be automatically placed on you. The devices are also very heavy, total of about 110 or so combined. The only way to get them off is to go to the old ruins east of Morthal (semicircle wall with an opening on the north side) and approach at midnight. There you will find the cursed god whom you will have to beg for release. Base chance is 0.5% and increases by that amount each time you go and beg for release. Removal of the items via console won't work as it is set up to monitor them and replace them even if it means removing another device (including quest devices). I plan on expanding this into a full quest at some point. Whoa. That is a lot. What's the worst setup I could get from the onset using the standard choices without cheats?
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Fenroo said: Awesome. I've got to try these out. When you say "as submissive as the setting gets" do you mean the sliders I selected, or the choices I made in conversation? The range on the stat (player disposition) goes from 1 - 20 and starts at 10 so with the slider it can only get you to a 5. You can answer the questions and will have to do so 5 times OR there is a wardrobe over by the device displays. In it are several potions and a note, read the note and choose the potion you want to use (one will lower it by 5 so it will go to the minimum of 1). This was originally made for testing purposes but I left it in for players to use if they wanted to. You will have to pick the lock though but it isn't that difficult. I don't believe it will cause issues if you are caught (there is no crime faction set up as of yet) but sneaking while you do it is still recommended.
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fenroo said: Whoa. That is a lot. What's the worst setup I could get from the onset using the standard choices without cheats? #1 with a disposition of 1. Even if you start with a 5 and work your way down it is what the value is at the time of requested release that matters.
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Veladarius said: The range on the stat (player disposition) goes from 1 - 20 and starts at 10 so with the slider it can only get you to a 5. You can answer the questions and will have to do so 5 times OR there is a wardrobe over by the device displays. In it are several potions and a note, read the note and choose the potion you want to use (one will lower it by 5 so it will go to the minimum of 1). This was originally made for testing purposes but I left it in for players to use if they wanted to. You will have to pick the lock though but it isn't that difficult. I don't believe it will cause issues if you are caught (there is no crime faction set up as of yet) but sneaking while you do it is still recommended. I'm totally doing this. And if I ever pay off my debt, I'm doing a free trial, After putting in the recommended plugs. I assume the master says entertaining things when a submissive asks for the trial to end? Obviously loving this mod
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Veladarius said: CD is not compliant with DD v4 and there were changes to the armbinders and yokes that prevents CD from removing them. CD also can't detect any other items that bind the hands as all items that bind the hands (hand cuffs, armbinder, yoke straight jacket and similar items) use the HeavyBondage keyword which was used only as a secondary keyword in v3 of DD and not a primary keyword so CD isn't made to look for it. Anyone else, any advice? Is there a way to remove items in mcm or console? If I want to roll back the DD mod to the right version, which is best and which files do I need to replace? Just the esm or the textures also?
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fenroo said: Anyone else, any advice? Is there a way to remove items in mcm or console? If I want to roll back the DD mod to the right version, which is best and which files do I need to replace? Just the esm or the textures also? Because of the differences in v3 and v4 of DD you will need to start a new game if you change versions. If you want to downgrade DD: Uninstall v4 and install v3 BUT keep the bodyslide files from v4 as there is an issue with corsets in the v3 bodyslide files that can cause CTD. If you need the DDv3 files PM me and I will give them to you.
Psalam Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fenroo said: Anyone else, any advice? Is there a way to remove items in mcm or console? If I want to roll back the DD mod to the right version, which is best and which files do I need to replace? Just the esm or the textures also? I want to begin with my usual caveat that there are plenty of people on LoverLab who know more than I do. That said, whenever I want to get rid of something I use the player.drop xxxxxx command in console. Of course, you have to know what the items ID is in order to do that. That can usually be found by using the help "xxx xxx" where you describe precisely what you want. As far as the files are concerned DD4 is entirely different from DD4 - the only thing shared is DDa. When I play captured dreams I use the DD3 versions of integration and expansion. When I play some of the other mods on Loverslab I switch back to DD4. I don't know what Veladrius' plans for switching may be (with his health issues) but since the Devious beta thread keeps implying that there will be a version 4.1 "soon" I don't know that I would be in too much of a hurry were I in his place.
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Psalam said: I want to begin with my usual caveat that there are plenty of people on LoverLab who know more than I do. That said, whenever I want to get rid of something I use the player.drop xxxxxx command in console. Of course, you have to know what the items ID is in order to do that. That can usually be found by using the help "xxx xxx" where you describe precisely what you want. As far as the files are concerned DD4 is entirely different from DD4 - the only thing shared is DDa. When I play captured dreams I use the DD3 versions of integration and expansion. When I play some of the other mods on Loverslab I switch back to DD4. I don't know what Veladrius' plans for switching may be (with his health issues) but since the Devious beta thread keeps implying that there will be a version 4.1 "soon" I don't know that I would be in too much of a hurry were I in his place. Ok I think the console commands seem straightforward. To get an items number it's, help "item name" then it's a, player.drop whatever the number was. Only a temporary fix until I replace the files. Thank you so much for the help!
Psalam Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Fenroo said: Ok I think the console commands seem straightforward. To get an items number it's, help "item name" then it's a, player.drop whatever the number was. Only a temporary fix until I replace the files. Thank you so much for the help! By George I think he's got it. You're welcome. Pass it on.
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, Psalam said: I don't know what Veladrius' plans for switching may be (with his health issues) but since the Devious beta thread keeps implying that there will be a version 4.1 "soon" I don't know that I would be in too much of a hurry were I in his place. My plans for v4 is this: 1 - CD will check for what version of DD is installed, if v4+ is detected it will adjust what keywords are used for armbinders and like items. 2 - There will be a patch set which will include adjusted scripts and a patch esp for v4 due to the scripting changes to armbinders and the custom one will need rebuilt using v4. It will also have some changes in keyword checks in some of the dialogue. 3 - I do not plan on using any of the v4 devices. 4 - whether or not this patch set gets updated for future versions of CD and/or DD is questionable. I won't do a full update for v4 as to do it properly I would need to rebuild all of the inventory items used on quest devices along with their custom scripts. I really don't want to waste time rebuilding 115 inventory items as just updating for the quest item keywords and commands was enough of a pain in the ass. I am hoping to start working on finishing the current update soon but the time I have each day is limited due to the medications I take and I would rather build new content or fix issues than rebuilding devices over and over.
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Question: is sex possible while belted? I mean, you could still give oral right?
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, Fenroo said: Question: is sex possible while belted? I mean, you could still give oral right? Depends on what sort of mood the DD SexLab filter is in but typically if you have it enabled the answer is 'no'. Instead of making use of your entire library of sex positions and filtering out the ones that are not possible it uses a rather small pool of animations instead. My best example is I was wearing only an open back belt and it defaults to the frustrated idle and no sex and did this much of the time. I disabled it and change the position via SexLab hotkeys to get an appropriate one.
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Veladarius said: Depends on what sort of mood the DD SexLab filter is in but typically if you have it enabled the answer is 'no'. Instead of making use of your entire library of sex positions and filtering out the ones that are not possible it uses a rather small pool of animations instead. My best example is I was wearing only an open back belt and it defaults to the frustrated idle and no sex and did this much of the time. I disabled it and change the position via SexLab hotkeys to get an appropriate one. How do you do that? And do you need a willing partner? How does that work?
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Can you get married while permanently belted like that? Does the spouse expect sex? Inquiring minds want to know!
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Fenroo said: How do you do that? And do you need a willing partner? How does that work? There is an option in DD to disable the filter, I have not used it in quite some time. Basically this happened any time any SexLab mod initiated sex with my character and an npc. 1 hour ago, Fenroo said: Can you get married while permanently belted like that? Does the spouse expect sex? Inquiring minds want to know! Yes, you can get married. If you have disabled the Sexlab filter there are plenty of animations where you are on the giving end of things and while wearing the belt you can't orgasm (or at least if it does show you doing so your arousal will not drop).
Fenroo Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Veladarius said: There is an option in DD to disable the filter, I have not used it in quite some time. Basically this happened any time any SexLab mod initiated sex with my character and an npc. Yes, you can get married. If you have disabled the Sexlab filter there are plenty of animations where you are on the giving end of things and while wearing the belt you can't orgasm (or at least if it does show you doing so your arousal will not drop). What is this sexlab filter that needs disabling?
Mexicola88 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 It work`s fine with DD4 Here a screenshot of my char with DD4 On 4/13/2018 at 6:28 AM, CovertDemon said: Just in case anyone asks what I meant about my problem with the locking corset collar, I uploaded a screenshot.
Veladarius Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Fenroo said: What is this sexlab filter that needs disabling? Basically it is supposed to filter out sex positions that are impossible to do due to the devices you may be wearing. I explained a few posts back how it works and doesn't work. I believe the options are on the animations page of DD's MCM menu.
Fenroo Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Ok, played like a maniac today. Some observations. First of all, chaste marriage overrules free trial. If you are on the free trial and you activate the chaste marriage, your spouse gets the keys and unlocks you. Second, you can orgasm in your belt with the Exciter plug. It's infrequent, about once a week. But I would prefer zero. Anyway... Repeated attempts to replay the free trial scene with different plug preferences didn't change anything, it was always the Exciter plug. It was fun that at the end of the week trial, master said she thought another week was necessary, and I better not complain or it would be longer. So that was fun. Idea: maybe you could give the player the opportunity to complain. "Another week?!" And master would say, "well now it's two weeks!" "Two weeks?!" "Well now it's a month!" Really let the player dig their own grave for serious long term denial. Or maybe even script it so when the player speaks to master at 100 arousal, she complains automatically and gets punished with extended belt time. It would be a feedback circle that submissive characters could never escape. That would be fun. Anyway great mod, I won't be playing vanilla Skyrim ever again.
Fenroo Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 How does one get into a "relationship" with the master?
Veladarius Posted April 19, 2018 Author Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Fenroo said: How does one get into a "relationship" with the master? easy route: Get a high relationship rank with her, get a good record with making deliveries and such and don't owe her any money (that is a negative). At some point she will decide (semi-random) to ask you to become one of her slaves. hard route: work your way up Property Slave. Either start it via MCM menu or screw up enough so you have a very poor ranking with Master, a very poor record with deliveries and owe her a lot of money and she will take you as a property slave.
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