Devious Devices - Captured Dreams Shop v4.15 - files removed

[ytitsahCdetleB]

Been having fun with DD and CD but recently hit upon a problem with my game with the CD shop. It has all been working fine up until now, NPC models look fine, did a few courier quests for Master - belt locked, showed, unlocked properly. The punishment belt even worked fine and was taken off once I paid my debt for talking back to Master.

However I recently had a courier show up and deliver the ad for the Free Trial "quest". I came to the shop (which had just expanded), talked to Master and he took the ad, asked the questions etc. and all of the items get placed on my character except for the chastity belt. I don't mean that the model was just missing but the belt itself didn't get given to me and doesn't even show up in the inventory. I went to Master after I was freed and took on a delivery quest on which she pointed out I wasn't wearing a belt and put a belt on which shows up no problem.

I decided an extra check by loading that same save again and adding the CD steel and silver belts to my inv which both show entirely normally on my character.

I've attached my papyrus log and a screenshot showing the devices that got locked on (but before I was released).

EDIT - Had a quick read of the logs, following error shows in the place where the belt gets equipped but thats all I can see.

[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] [Zad]: EquipDevice called for CD Chastity Belt Padded Silver
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] [Zad]: Acquired mutex, equipping CD Chastity Belt Padded Silver
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] warning: Property ZazAPCAO104 on script CDxMastersBelt attached to Item 10 in container  (00000014) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] [Zad]: OnContainerChanged()
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] [Zad]: OnEquipped(Ytitsahc: CD Chastity Belt Padded Silver)
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] [Zad]: No menus are open. Equipping silently.
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] [Zad]: Sending device event DeviceEquippedBelt(Ytitsahc:1)
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:42PM] [Zad]: SyncInventory(): Equipping Belt.
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:43PM] [Zad]: original exposure rate was 2.000000. Setting to 3.000000.
[03/22/2018 - 06:36:43PM] [Zad]: CorsetMagic(): No corset equipped, done.

 

Papyrus.0.log

[Languidfox]

New to the forums and trying to get this working. Is there a way to search a thread? 747 pages is a lot but I imagine my problem isn't new and I can find the answer in here somewhere.

 

The shop is showing up fine and seems to generally work, but when I show the flyer and get fitted out with all of the stuff the master teleports away in short hops (missing animation?) and after a little while the game crashes to desktop.

 

Reading the last few pages using ZAZ 8.0 may be partially to blame (might cause the hops but not the CTD?) but searching the site "zazanimation 7" gets no hits. Is only the latest version available now?

[shadowwolf2k7]

52 minutes ago, Languidfox said:

New to the forums and trying to get this working. Is there a way to search a thread? 747 pages is a lot but I imagine my problem isn't new and I can find the answer in here somewhere.

 

The shop is showing up fine and seems to generally work, but when I show the flyer and get fitted out with all of the stuff the master teleports away in short hops (missing animation?) and after a little while the game crashes to desktop.

 

Reading the last few pages using ZAZ 8.0 may be partially to blame (might cause the hops but not the CTD?) but searching the site "zazanimation 7" gets no hits. Is only the latest version available now?

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/156-zaz-animation-pack-v70-2017-05-16/

there is the link to ZaZ 7.0

[S4WDU5T]

1 hour ago, Languidfox said:

New to the forums and trying to get this working. Is there a way to search a thread? 747 pages is a lot but I imagine my problem isn't new and I can find the answer in here somewhere.

Upper-right corner of every page, drop-down the list to fine-tune the section/area you're looking in 

 

[Onionstarz]

i use zaz 8 and i am about 15 hours into a CD playthrough and have had 0 problems,it's the best it ever worked for me but kidnapped is missing some amins  

[Languidfox]

Thanks for file info and search help Took me a minute to realise the search option didn't appear until you were already typing. I'd not properly understood what it meant to do a FNIS build (I didn't realise it didn't autoupdate when you added new files and I had to do it again) which fixed a lot of issues. I've not gone back to see if the CTD bug is gone yet but hopefully.

 

I can see that I've also had some oddities from not following the instruction to disable the "masturbation on belt removal" option. I can't find that option anywhere though. Presumably it's not in CD itself but one of its dependencies? I've looked through the menus for everything I've got installed (Which is basically CD, Deviously Cursed Loot and anything that's a dependency or a dependency of a dependency)

[shadowwolf2k7]

3 hours ago, Languidfox said:

Thanks for file info and search help Took me a minute to realise the search option didn't appear until you were already typing. I'd not properly understood what it meant to do a FNIS build (I didn't realise it didn't autoupdate when you added new files and I had to do it again) which fixed a lot of issues. I've not gone back to see if the CTD bug is gone yet but hopefully.

 

I can see that I've also had some oddities from not following the instruction to disable the "masturbation on belt removal" option. I can't find that option anywhere though. Presumably it's not in CD itself but one of its dependencies? I've looked through the menus for everything I've got installed (Which is basically CD, Deviously Cursed Loot and anything that's a dependency or a dependency of a dependency)

it was either part of DD or sexlab aroused. if it was part of DD that is no longer an issue with 4.0, though DD 4.0 isnt supported it due to some of the device keyword changes to yokes and armbinders.

[Lupine00]

Returning to the old topic of HDT people disappearing.

It seems that even with the helpfully provided Physics XML, I still get more and more NPCs vanishing as the game goes on.

Eventually so many are invisible the world starts to look empty.

 

I never used to have this problem with my old AMD card, but since I put in new nVidia card, my Skyrim has been much more solid in most respects (stupid run stuttering never happens) but women are vanishing wholesale.

 

I'm trying to swap in (T)BBP in the hope it can rescue the game, but it's hard to remember all the mods that had some special HDT option installed.

But so far, when I put in BBP, my frame-rate drops down from rock-solid 60 to awful (17 .. 25 or so) - but everything looks normal apart from being totally unplayable.

 

Seems removing Dragonfly restores normal frame-rate. I guess I won't be having that, and the intrusive spinning idle always spoiled the rest of it.

Odd, as Dragonfly was fine for me in SE.

[ThePipes123]

When I start the slavery quest and choose the option that puts me in the shop instead of the mines, Master will be stuck reading the note/letter the shop guard gives her. When I choose the mine, the yoke won't be removed and I am not able to equip the pickaxe/clothing given to me. Any ideas what causes this?

[shadowwolf2k7]

7 hours ago, ThePipes123 said:

When I start the slavery quest and choose the option that puts me in the shop instead of the mines, Master will be stuck reading the note/letter the shop guard gives her. When I choose the mine, the yoke won't be removed and I am not able to equip the pickaxe/clothing given to me. Any ideas what causes this?

what version of DDI, DDE are you using? if it is 4.0 the yoke had some of the device keywords changed, and CD uses the old keywords from the older versions of DD.

[valcon767]

7 hours ago, ThePipes123 said:

When I start the slavery quest and choose the option that puts me in the shop instead of the mines, Master will be stuck reading the note/letter the shop guard gives her. When I choose the mine, the yoke won't be removed and I am not able to equip the pickaxe/clothing given to me. Any ideas what causes this?

1 - the yoke not being removed is due to a keyword change on some DD items with version 4.x of DDi and DDx.  there are a few other mods that can remove the yoke,

     but you would have to be careful to not break anything when using one of those (DDI, Cursed Loot, Devious Followers Beta, Devious Device Helpers Beta, and

     possibly some others).

 

2 - there are several things that can cause Master reading the note scene to stall out, but the most common (from what i have seen in the thread) is for Herran to

     not be close enough for the scene to continue. (if Herran is across the room he is to far away, Herran needs to be right beside the Player and Master to do his

     part in that scene).  if it is not due to Herran being in the wrong place, Vel (or someone else more with more knowledge than me) will have to help.

 

hope this does help 

 

[krighaur]

2 hours ago, valcon767 said:

1 - the yoke not being removed is due to a keyword change on some DD items with version 4.x of DDi and DDx.  there are a few other mods that can remove the yoke,

     but you would have to be careful to not break anything when using one of those (DDI, Cursed Loot, Devious Followers Beta, Devious Device Helpers Beta, and

     possibly some others).

 

2 - there are several things that can cause Master reading the note scene to stall out, but the most common (from what i have seen in the thread) is for Herran to

     not be close enough for the scene to continue. (if Herran is across the room he is to far away, Herran needs to be right beside the Player and Master to do his

     part in that scene).  if it is not due to Herran being in the wrong place, Vel (or someone else more with more knowledge than me) will have to help.

 

hope this does help 

 

If herran is too far :

1 - open console

2 - move the cursor upon Herran (you must have his name, ID, and other info) in the lower right of your screen

3 - type in console "moveto player"

 

 

[ThePipes123]

10 hours ago, valcon767 said:

1 - the yoke not being removed is due to a keyword change on some DD items with version 4.x of DDi and DDx.  there are a few other mods that can remove the yoke,

     but you would have to be careful to not break anything when using one of those (DDI, Cursed Loot, Devious Followers Beta, Devious Device Helpers Beta, and

     possibly some others).

 

2 - there are several things that can cause Master reading the note scene to stall out, but the most common (from what i have seen in the thread) is for Herran to

     not be close enough for the scene to continue. (if Herran is across the room he is to far away, Herran needs to be right beside the Player and Master to do his

     part in that scene).  if it is not due to Herran being in the wrong place, Vel (or someone else more with more knowledge than me) will have to help.

 

hope this does help 

 

7 hours ago, krighaur said:

If herran is too far :

1 - open console

2 - move the cursor upon Herran (you must have his name, ID, and other info) in the lower right of your screen

3 - type in console "moveto player"

 

 

 

He stands right next to her. I suspect it's a script error caused by another mod, but I am too inexperienced regarding modding to find the error myself. Also I am using the most recent version of everything.

[AlternateAlexander]

3 hours ago, ThePipes123 said:

 

He stands right next to her. I suspect it's a script error caused by another mod, but I am too inexperienced regarding modding to find the error myself. Also I am using the most recent version of everything.

I have this exact same error. You can solve it by fiddling with the Quest Reset page in the MCM. I don't remember which one did it but I eventually triggered her next dialogue. But I later encountered another similar issue on one of the Embassy missions with the script breaking and being unable to continue. So something isn't playing nice.

[Maddac]

Hi Veladarius, just wondering if its possible to release a dd4 patch for the yoke removal as an interim solution while we patiently for an update to your awesome mod

surely its possible to patch the keywords for yokes?

 

also any idea of eta for update? or are we all waiting for stable DDi 4.1 version to come out

[Guest]

1) Just encountered this but, after moving around or interacting for some time with the npcs in the CD shop and adjoining areas, I start to get random ctds when opening doors to locations.

For example, say I interacted with the master for sometime. After that, if I try to leave the shop and exit back to Skyrim through the door, I get a ctd.

Same goes for entering various locations near the CD shop area.

2) I honestly got no idea what all this vip session and room is supposed to mean. The last time I tried to enter it, I got a ctd.

3) whenever I select the option of working in the mine, that's it, nothing happens. I have to go and talk to this mine overseer who, after locating with great difficulty, has no dialogues regarding working in the mine. What is this, incomplete implementation of mod or some fault on my side?

 

I thought all of these were because of heavy script based mod usage, but the ctds stopped the moment I left the ctd shop area.

 

Sorry for such a long tirade, but these are the ramblings of a man who just spent the past 3 hours trying to make head or tail of the above mentioned problems!

Any help will be greatly appreciated

[shadow866]

On 2018-03-24 at 10:29 AM, Lupine00 said:

Returning to the old topic of HDT people disappearing.

It seems that even with the helpfully provided Physics XML, I still get more and more NPCs vanishing as the game goes on.

Eventually so many are invisible the world starts to look empty.

 

I never used to have this problem with my old AMD card, but since I put in new nVidia card, my Skyrim has been much more solid in most respects (stupid run stuttering never happens) but women are vanishing wholesale.

 

I'm trying to swap in (T)BBP in the hope it can rescue the game, but it's hard to remember all the mods that had some special HDT option installed.

But so far, when I put in BBP, my frame-rate drops down from rock-solid 60 to awful (17 .. 25 or so) - but everything looks normal apart from being totally unplayable.

 

Seems removing Dragonfly restores normal frame-rate. I guess I won't be having that, and the intrusive spinning idle always spoiled the rest of it.

Odd, as Dragonfly was fine for me in SE.

This should solve the issue with invisible npc's and stretching. Pretty easy to do with Notepad++

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/34345-breasts-stretch-really-far-then-said-npc-sometimes-goes-invisible/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-1621615

[bicobus]

18 hours ago, Maddac said:

Hi Veladarius, just wondering if its possible to release a dd4 patch for the yoke removal as an interim solution while we patiently for an update to your awesome mod

surely its possible to patch the keywords for yokes?

 

also any idea of eta for update? or are we all waiting for stable DDi 4.1 version to come out

From what I gathered:

1. next version will be DD4 compatible, but will be the only one
2. DD4 is too painful for Veladarius to work with
3. Assume CD to be DD3 in the distant future.

[Lupine00]

5 hours ago, bicobus said:

From what I gathered:

1. next version will be DD4 compatible, but will be the only one
2. DD4 is too painful for Veladarius to work with
3. Assume CD to be DD3 in the distant future.

That's a bit odd. Why make a DD4 version at all in that case?

[Lupine00]

16 hours ago, shadow866 said:

This should solve the issue with invisible npc's and stretching. Pretty easy to do with Notepad++

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/34345-breasts-stretch-really-far-then-said-npc-sometimes-goes-invisible/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-1621615

No. That is the fix that made no difference for me.

 

Then I got a file from somebody else, who claimed they had no issues, and it had many more changes beyond the max velocities, but it didn't resolve the issue.

But, I had to play for a long time before it started to manifest, but once it did, it got worse and worse, fast, to the point where Riften was getting very empty.

 

In the end, I gave up, removed HDT. That works. I also fixed the frame-rate issue with Dragonfly, but the "sexy run", with broken sprinting, and aggressively spinning idle it was so awful that I took it out, and as I never liked all the wobbly armor, it's better more than its worse by a large amount.

 

Also, the theory that having a solid framerate of 60 fixes it, is mythology, wishful thinking. My framerate (excepting when I had Dragonfly positioned wrong in left pane of MO) is absolutely solid 60.

 

I use ENB with vanilla renderer, and I wonder if the people that got a "fix" used an ENB renderer, so that's a possibility to look into.

Running Hydra's Slave Girls might be another contributor.

[shadowwolf2k7]

36 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

That's a bit odd. Why make a DD4 version at all in that case?

the reason he is making the capatability is people asked for it and he was kind enough to work it in. but currently CD is really only DD 3.0 compatible. as for the yoke used in property slave i have only had CD fail to remove it once while using dd 4.0, and to fix it when it didnt remove it all i did was load the quick save i made just before the FTB.

5 hours ago, bicobus said:

From what I gathered:

1. next version will be DD4 compatible, but will be the only one
2. DD4 is too painful for Veladarius to work with
3. Assume CD to be DD3 in the distant future.

the reason it is painful is due to him not liking a lot of the changes between dd 3 and dd 4. as for the it remaining 3.0, it may change it may not. havent seen vel post here in a good while so he may be taking a brake from modding but i am not sure.

[shadow866]

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

No. That is the fix that made no difference for me.

 

Then I got a file from somebody else, who claimed they had no issues, and it had many more changes beyond the max velocities, but it didn't resolve the issue.

But, I had to play for a long time before it started to manifest, but once it did, it got worse and worse, fast, to the point where Riften was getting very empty.

 

In the end, I gave up, removed HDT. That works. I also fixed the frame-rate issue with Dragonfly, but the "sexy run", with broken sprinting, and aggressively spinning idle it was so awful that I took it out, and as I never liked all the wobbly armor, it's better more than its worse by a large amount.

 

Also, the theory that having a solid framerate of 60 fixes it, is mythology, wishful thinking. My framerate (excepting when I had Dragonfly positioned wrong in left pane of MO) is absolutely solid 60.

 

I use ENB with vanilla renderer, and I wonder if the people that got a "fix" used an ENB renderer, so that's a possibility to look into.

Running Hydra's Slave Girls might be another contributor.

I used to be plagued by invisible npc's as well but went away as soon as i modified all my xmls with those values. Dont forget that you have to change every XML file you got thats connected to an armor/cape/hair and so on...So it could be alot of files to change if you got lot of physics based armors.

I havent gotten any invisible npc's in past year and i have HDT pretty much everywhere.

By the sounds of it you didnt have the issue in start right?

How script heavy is your game?

Have you removed lot of mods during your gameplay? Have you tried cleaning up your save as well with FallrimTools?

Sounds like HDT could only be a part of the problem. Do you run into invisible npc's if you start a new game?

Your setup might just be to heavy.

You could also try installing this to see if it helps in any way. Its an skse plugin.

HDTInvisibilityFix.rar

 

Good luck

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, shadow866 said:

You could also try installing this to see if it helps in any way. Its an skse plugin.

HDTInvisibilityFix.rar

That thing causes me CTD. Not at first, but after the game has plenty of saves clocked up.

It seems once I have vanished people, rather than fixing them, it crashes. Which is not helpful.

Even the author had doubts it was effective, which is why it was abandoned, AFAICS.

 

It happens whether I remove mods or not, whether I have a light setup or a heavy one.

Generally though, I never touch a LO once I start a game. This particular one is an exception, in that I removed several mods, though most of them had uninstall capabilities, they did leave orphan scripts, which I cleaned. But as I say, this game isn't typical.

 

It never happens right away. It's probably triggered by zoning in and out of cells, and there is some chance of it happening for every time I do that and the cell has boobs in it.

 

I don't have any capes or hair with HDT, in fact the only physics I've added is from my UUNP Special body. You can see the issue is the breasts stretching. Mostly. I think some creatures cause an issue too, but I have no XMLs for them, and I'm guessing they use standard configs from the main XML.

I had some hopes that the XMLs were overwritten by some mod in MO, but I checked, and they were all coming from exactly where I expected, and were the edited XMLs.

 

Also, it happens in reverse of what you'd expect, and what I used to get with my old video card - where the problem never caused vanishing of near NPCs, only far away ones, and they'd come back as I got close.

 

As I approach an NPC they start to stretch, and when I get close enough they vanish, never to be seen again. Again, unlike with the old video card.

nVidia is involved in this somehow, but it's tricky to explain how unless they patch Havok.

 

 

Going to non Havok body and dropping the HDT plugin was a sure fix, and I'm not missing the HDT ... much ... now and then you notice.

 

[shadowwolf2k7]

i havent had people vanish on me, and i am using several mods that have hdt as a requirement for them. i also am using an nvidia gt 630. i do get the breast stretching sometimes when my follower loads in, or when an npc loads into the area i am in. but they dont vanish, their breasts go back to normal. i also dont use the any different xmls then what came with the mods.

[Lupine00]

11 hours ago, shadowwolf2k7 said:

i havent had people vanish on me, and i am using several mods that have hdt as a requirement for them. i also am using an nvidia gt 630. i do get the breast stretching sometimes when my follower loads in, or when an npc loads into the area i am in. but they dont vanish, their breasts go back to normal. i also dont use the any different xmls then what came with the mods.

If you can have zero problems with the default XMLs, it partially confirms my personal suspicion that the XML editing solution is at least some percentage placebo. 

 

I've stopped worrying. The up side of life without HDT is that metal armor is solid, like it should be.

 

But I'm going to try again, on another new game and see. I'll admit, I've never had the edited XMLs in a game from the start, except in the case where the game had mods removed and save cleaning. I'm amazed I got away with that on this game, but bar a remaining quirk with MME, I seem to have managed it. But those mods just had to come out, as the game was dead anyway if they didn't.