Sims Spam - Again ...

[Papp274]

@Sister Asphyxia

 

Perhaps re-read what I wrote... I don't think you understood what I was saying at all...

 

I know when Skyrim was released (have had a copy since day one...) It is irrelevant how MANY mods 

in total Skyrim has... at this particular time... the Skyrim modding scene is NOT all that active... very few are making anything NEW 

for the game and those that do just have a bunch of others do the LOW EFFORT thing and convert them to some stupid big tiddied body...

 

So in reality... Skyrim modding here RIGHT now IS dead...  

 

 

Cheers! 

Edited August 14, 2024 by Papp274

[Pamatronic]

34 minutes ago, Papp274 said:

Skyrim modding RIGHT now Is dead...

It is impressive how stubbornly some people refuse to accept a reality they don't like...

Skyrim SE only (lets just pretend Arca doesn't exist as well...):

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So im not quite sure how your interpretation of "dead" looks...

personally, I would define dead as something like this:

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Interestingly, the percentage of CAS in the sims4 section on Nexus is remarkably low (compared to LL at least).
Guess that's what happens when a more stringent moderation is in effect...

[Papp274]

1 hour ago, Papp274 said:

here RIGHT now IS dead

There fixed it...  

 

17 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

It is impressive how stubbornly some people refuse to accept a reality they don't like...

Skyrim SE only (lets just pretend Arca doesn't exist as well...):

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So im not quite sure how your interpretation of "dead" looks...

personally, I would define dead as something like this:

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Interestingly, the percentage of CAS in the sims4 section on Nexus is remarkably low (compared to LL at least).
Guess that's what happens when a more stringent moderation is in effect...

 Uh just a quick question... what does anything posted on the Nexus have to do with LL? 

 

If all you are going to do is spout off that the NEXUS has some mods going into it... well again I'm going to have to let you know that is irrelevant to what is happening 

HERE on LL... 

 

You are correct... it is impressive how some people refuse to accept a reality they don't like...  

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

Edited August 14, 2024 by Papp274

[Papp274]

 

 

I am just going to back away from this stupid topic... lol 

 

5 minutes ago, Sister Asphyxia said:

At this point; I'm genuinely curious as to where your statistics are coming from? For example; let's take a look at the figures on NexusMods alone for Skyrim, SSE & Sims 4 mod uploads, per year.

NEXUS mentioned again... nothing to back up how active HERE on LL 

 

7 minutes ago, Sister Asphyxia said:

25,654 Skyrim+SSE mods per year vs 529 (just from NexusMods, not including all the other sites which would still leave Skyrim+SSE at a ridiculous number count)

NEXUS mentioned... broken record here lol IRRELEVANT to what is happening HERE. 

 

 

 

lol Have a good day! 

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

[Maglog]

11 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

That is absolutely not how this works - at all.

Ok, why - because you would like it to work like that or because you can see it in your way (otherwise)?

 

I'm pretty sure that it works exactly like that (how i stated). Proofs - if we would ask anybody who uploads here, how many proper legal papers we would get from them in order to prove that they had legal basis before the upload. Something out of your warding about explicity gives me basis to think that you would be only satisfied if "papers with all the seals" would be shown, of course, if they are from from the "appropriate authorities", which also have papers to prove that they are so "appropriate". 

 

Does LL requires something like that (proofs) before the upload - no. This is cald actual practice / execution of rights. Out of this also comes anybodies (who uploads) understanding that "i don't breach", and recognizable as normal behaviour. This is btw also exhibition to that principal in work, that everything goes (considers lawful) if not breaching clearly stated rules forbidening it (as was mentioned) + not any breach of rules constitutes breach of rights principal, hence the dispute basis.

 

+ to that can be added postapproval, waivers of rights and limitation periods. From this, you said: 

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There are plenty of sites out there who upload and even monetize my shit. I could complain or write a DMCA, sure. But something tells me that sites on the .ru or .su domain wont be particularly impressed by this, so I save my sanity and try to ignore it as best as I can.
And even in the smaller scope of this site where you could complain to the mods, you don't wanna waste your time and sanity on looking for people who stole your stuff. so you simply let it slide or stop creating/uploading alltogether...

if you would go to court (since everyone here trying to make court examples) one could tell: 1) you knew that you right probably was breached; 2) you willingly (you weren't under gun point, right?) decided to not to put any kind of action to defend it whatsoever (not even wrote PM or something in order to stop the alleged breach); 3) this happened some time ago, exact date you know under which the limitation period has passed. Hence you waived you rights to brag about it, postapproved it, and anyways - your time has gone. In another wording, your rights doesn't mean nothing (shit) if even you yourself not willing to exercise them on the minimum level (at least), why should when others take care about them (noticed that you might be one of those really offensive types, but i didn't meant too, just trying to put it in simple form).

 

BTW DMCA is not always applicable, and according to Viki it is actually limiting the liability of providers of online services for copyright infringement by their users, and has that "notice" procedure, about which i was speaking earlier as part of the so called "Safe harbor" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act) for providing sites (LL in this case). It also could be interpreted as the creators obligation to address the issue if he sees infringement, and wants some of the consequences to happen. Besides that, in all these centuries which passed by, people haven't learned on how to read others peoples mind, and as far as i know - there is no law implying obligation to that. If you can't even explicitly state (by PM or something) that your rights or feelings or anything was damaged by upload, how one can guess that?(rhetorical question and simple way out).

 

If we are to open LL rules (lower left corner: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/292-rules/?tab=comments#comment-6248) - there is nothing to be found about which method i should (in obligatory sense) use (with CC included or with the list).  As said, i did my research and decided to stay on most used one here which seemed to be not causing any probs with the OG CC creators, and the one yet convenient enough for me. People are indeed lazy, it's in the nature (me included), i'm not making buisness here, why should i rip my ass off trying to chase the moon..

 

If any OG CC creator would contact me and say like: hi, i don't like this and that, can we work this out - my answer would be yes, no probs. Pretty sure that anybody else here would give the same normal/expected reply, because generally it's normal peeps around here on LL and inside that "clownshow which is the sims4 community" (с) quote from you.

 

 

11 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

Just because something is uploaded on LL for free doesn't mean you get any rights to Redistribute it. You can download it for personal use, but thats all you get.

 👆You could call it redistribution if i would gain any actual profit from it, and this would be my main purpose (like it seems to be with those mostly uploading 1 % free and all other goes money related - it's clearly a commercials, as it was mentioned here already). You are the one who has patreon, i understand that this might mess up your buisness plan. But if you check me, or even others who don't make paying mandatory in general, this term is inapplicable. BTW if putted that way (i'm a distributor) - should the OG creator pay me for distribution, or for the promotion of the product, or to give any credit or thanks for that🤔These questions also could be raised.

 

That's why i totally agree with Papp274 here:

14 hours ago, Papp274 said:

we have a relatively inactive sect of the community here upset and spouting off that "it isn't fair all the exposure this other sect is getting!!!" 

and making posts like this to call out a portion of that MUCH more active sect of the community and trying to shut them down... 

Stop trying to punish a sect of this community that is still active... sure there are some low effort mods for the Sims... again there are low effort mods for Skyrim also... 

👆basically it seems like unfair competition methods also from TES moders who are using paying methods (since you have that patreon stuff too). This will cause some consequences, most likely the one's that Pappi mentioned (i already had heard from some simmers about it, they would rather go somewhere else).

 

And about the main thing - at the end. This post here - https://www.loverslab.com/topic/235329-sims-spam-again/?do=findComment&comment=4445525, calling someone's creations low effort, adding proving pic to that (two authors there on the pic). According to the same proving pic, the single pajamas author mentioned to be LE has made something which was usefull to around 300+people (who downloaded). If we go to this other "LE" author page, we can see that his creations have also been usefull for 300+ people, in some cases (more than once) even 1K+ people: 

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👆btw, also not noticed any patreon and other similar links, it means totally free. 

 

And afters If we go to paige of the complaining side we can see a 0 modding (just from first glance):

 

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👆hence, according to the first rule of LL (modders come first) this complaint or voice shouldn't be even taken in consideration?! Besides rules, it would be also a common sense anyways, how can someone who did nothing call others work "LE".

 

If we are to move on to your page, won't be lieing or trying to bring your record down, you have great downloading rates, it is true (i'm not even close). But, you also have some of those same level downloads - which didn't fly, so to say, and didn't exceeded 300+ downloads:

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but your field of expertise or interests is different. Why should we take into account your opinion in our field, which you don't properly understand, as it seems to me being perfectly clear.

 

You said something like people who upload / crank up 5 sims a day, can't be making something good, it's LE - end of story. I did something similar a couple of times (3-5 a day), uploaded multiple sims in one day (mainly i'm trying to make sims, not those recolours and stuff). Story behind it. It takes something like 1 to 3 days for each sim (can be done faster, it depends). 1-2 days for packing them up, testing CC and something like that before the upload. +A day or so, or even more to take those shitty photos and apply shitty filters in the bus, as you said, - and btw you shouldn't took me as example, cause i never was good at this part or mainstream, i'm aware of that. +Almost a day for upload here. Behind any work - there comes the preparations part (generally), and it can be a long range, but what you seeing is only the end result, and it's anyways LE to you. I'm bringing this up in case you (or more probably others) would like to understand it. Making additional CC list, would add time to it, of course.

 

P/s: Asphyxia i have seen your post here: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/235329-sims-spam-again/?do=findComment&comment=4448695, thanks for your reply and for "This. I feel for you.", but i'm afraid i have nothing to add to what i said. For me it seems like differences of opinion case, mainly concentrated on this part: "Am I a trembling creature or whether I have the right", applicably on how should one upload CC. As i understand this, you are a Pro on "show me permission" base while i'm a Pro on "show me prohibition" - two opposite approaches. Not mocking you, but in situation where i would like to go and use bathroom, according to your approach, i would need some sort of paper (other when the toilet one) if i don't wanna be meeting any kind of imaginable infringement or penalties for it. And under approach, which i'm standing by (that anything is lawful / goes), in order to prevent me to do so - you should bring bases to that (some actual rules and etc.). Anything (as basis) goes approach exists / used because it is obviously eases people's life and helps to avoid unreasonable bans, so that people wouldn't feel themselves caged and could live a life. Anyways, i won't be posting here anymore, it feels like i have said enough, this takes too much time, and in the core - now it is up for LL's administration to decide, where to leed or follow.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2024 by Maglog

[Blaze69]

 

6 hours ago, Sister Asphyxia said:

As a Skyrim/Sims 3 player; I have somewhat of a insight into the cultures of both "camps".

Thanks for that, it was a very insightful post indeed, and laid everything out much better than I'd ever hope to.

 

It's funny how it basically boils down to "Skyrim modders mod as a hobby and to enrich the community, Sims modders mod as a hustle and to enrich themselves", however.

 

1 hour ago, Maglog said:

I'm pretty sure that it works exactly like that (how i stated). Proofs - if we would ask anybody who uploads here, how many proper legal papers we would get from them in order to prove that they had legal basis before the upload. Something out of your warding about explicity gives me basis to think that you would be only satisfied if "papers with all the seals" would be shown, of course, if they are from from the "appropriate authorities", which also have papers to prove that they are so "appropriate".

Actually that's very straightforward. Check the original mod(s) whose assets you use. If the permissions info says you can use/modify them freely without giving credit, then you're good to go. If they say credit is mandatory, then you credit them and that's it. If they say you need to get permission from them to do it, then you message them to ask politely (and save a screenshot of the conversation once they reply in case it's ever requested as proof). If there's no information then it defaults to "you have to ask for permission first" or at the very least to "you need to provide credit" if you want to push things as far as it gets without being a thief. The Beth game modding community has been doing this for years now, and it all works out fine. Nexus even has a specific "permissions" section with toggles for each kind of situation and use.

But I guess that's too hard mmkay for you people.

 

If you're a simmer, don't open this! It is the stuff of nightmares! (Trigger Warning: properly credited mod asset use, clear permissions information on a mod). 👻

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From my own mod on Nexus: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/60360

 

[Maglog]

Ok, fxck it.

 

48 minutes ago, Blaze69 said:

Check the original mod(s) whose assets you use...

👆already shared my POV on this, nothing to add to it, really. Just try to understand it, please. You are not obliged to take it, as am i yours.

50 minutes ago, Blaze69 said:

The Beth game modding community has been doing this for years now, and it all works out fine. Nexus even has a specific "permissions" section with toggles for each kind of situation and use.

If you're a simmer, don't open this! It is the stuff of nightmares! (Trigger Warning: properly credited mod asset use, clear permissions information on a mod). 👻

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From my own mod on Nexus: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/60360

 

👆these statements don't have any proving points or grounds since:

 

1) it's a different communities, and (not we, but) you are trying to push us to do something only because you people from TES Com have been doing something for ages here or somewhere else, as it is clear from your statement itself - it is not common practice in TS 4 Com;

 

tbh it's seem like you are offended only because we are taking simple ways, shortcuts while you have to ride on for many hours in a stinky bus, at the same time being forced to listen to those annoying grannies or kids, i don't know.. I'm feeling sorry for you, but it's option chosen by you, not our fault (just don't give me further bullshit, please, like it's not our choice, it's duty - simply blank drop applicable rules here, right in my face).

 

2) i think that i have proven that we are not breaking any rules on LL (or the ones which would be related to it) - if not, i'm wrong, please links to rules broken here (not nexus or other unrelated stuff). No probs, i will comply because i'm not an AH, or personally take down my uploads and leave.

 

🤦‍♂️As already been rightfully pointed out by Pappi:

4 hours ago, Papp274 said:

Uh just a quick question... what does anything posted on the Nexus have to do with LL? 

If all you are going to do is spout off that the NEXUS has some mods going into it... well again I'm going to have to let you know that is irrelevant to what is happening 

HERE on LL... 

You are correct... it is impressive how some people refuse to accept a reality they don't like...  

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3 hours ago, Papp274 said:

NEXUS mentioned again... nothing to back up how active HERE on LL 

NEXUS mentioned... broken record here lol IRRELEVANT to what is happening HERE. 

👆really, nothing to add to what he said. No relevance to our discussion.

 

If i told you now that you should do something (which you don't like btw) only because Grandpa Irving or good old pal Angus does so - would you follow? Don't think so. You know why?! Because instead of giving normal, related answer to us - you decided to use troll tactics again (that trigger warning and speaking about being proper adn etc. and all that crap). But this doesn't change anything, i don't care tbh, if you could - you would put my face down in some rules or their comprehension, common practice (again, related to situation or/and to our side) and so on. You're inability to do so - speaks lauder & tells all what is needed to be known to understand this whole situation.

 

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[Blaze69]

3 hours ago, Maglog said:

Just try to understand it, please.

Oh, I understand laziness and entitlement just fine. I just don't consider it a valid excuse, lmao.

 

3 hours ago, Maglog said:

you are trying to push us to do something only because you people from TES Com have been doing something for ages here or somewhere else, as it is clear from your statement itself - it is not common practice in TS 4 Com;

I am trying to push you to follow the fucking law, genius.

 

I'll just quote what DoctaSax already said:

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I think the copyright/permissions issue is really just a sideshow to this discussion; as a site, we can't deviate from the law which states that unless permission was explicitly granted, it was denied. We can't state anything to the contrary, like 'crediting is enough', without shouldering the liability for other people's transgressions.

 

The fact that 90% of the so-called Sims modding community wipe their asses with intellectual property because it's not convenient for them and they don't directly profit from respecting it doesn't mean it ceases to exist.

 

3 hours ago, Maglog said:

tbh it's seem like you are offended only because we are taking simple ways, shortcuts while you have to ride on for many hours in a stinky bus, at the same time being forced to listen to those annoying grannies or kids, i don't know..

Analogies like these are retarded, but I'll bite. The actual closest example would be me being forced to ride the "stinky bus" because you stole my car, joyrided for a while, and then sold it to a chop shop for $$$. Since, y'know, you're breaking the law for the sake of making a profit here.

 

Not that I consider stealing a car nearly as bad as stealing intellectual property, but they're both against the law so maybe that will get the point across, since it seems so hard to understand for whatever reason.

 

3 hours ago, Maglog said:

2) i think that i have proven that we are not breaking any rules on LL (or the ones which would be related to it) - if not, i'm wrong, please links to rules broken here (not nexus or other unrelated stuff). No probs, i will comply because i'm not an AH, or personally take down my uploads and leave.

That's the point, there's no rules explicitly stating it's forbidden to pull any of those underhanded tricks yet because there didn't need to be, because the community was built around people modding as a hobby and happy to share their content with the world for free, so there was still some honor. Now that the honor is gone and this is just another grift like a scam call center would be, new rules need to be added to curtail that despicable behavior. Which is what we're discussing here, and why Ashal came up with that draft for the new rule(s).

 

3 hours ago, Maglog said:

If i told you now that you should do something (which you don't like btw) only because Grandpa Irving or good old pal Angus does so - would you follow? Don't think so.

Irrelevant since it's not "Grandpa Irving or good old pal Angus", it's intellectual property and copyright law.

Edited August 14, 2024 by Blaze69

[Twycross448]

It is rather interesting (and sad) how fast this has devolved into little more than a pissing match which modding community is superior. 😟

Honestly, folks, would it be hard to try and contribute to the matter at hand (brainstorming for the new rules) without name calling and all that? We're all grown-ups here. (Or at least I hope we are.)

 

To make rule changes/addendums that are fair for everyone is not something you do while watching a saturday morning cartoon swilling shot.

 

I made my first draft suggestion on the first page of this thread. I'd love to see others also post theirs. 🙂

 

@Ashal

Don't take this the wrong way, but I really don't envy your position right now. ^_^"

[Pamatronic]

4 hours ago, Twycross448 said:

To make rule changes/addendums

Honestly, I don't even think this situation we have here is really that much of rule issue. Its more of an enforcement issue of existing rules.

 

We have a rule against pay walling content.
we have rules (and laws) about not redistributing other peoples content.

 

They are just being ignored (yes, by the staff too).
And I´am willing to accept that this simply has something to do with the fact that the moderation staff is primarily at home in the Beth Sphere themselves and therefore simply doesn't pay that much attention.

And I think this Apathy is the main reason the situation became as bad as it is today.

As pointed out by others earlier. when we look at Nexus and the wider internet, interest in Skyrim is by orders of magnitude larger then it is for the sims.
So how do we explain the outsized percentage of sims content here?

 

The impression I got is thusly:
Nexus has more stringent moderation. If you engage in blatant advertising, spamming, content theft, they will ban you. Which means the content that IS hosted in Nexus is mostly fine.
BUT....
As moderation here on on LL isn't as rigorous (or even present at all), All the bad actors who cannot do their thing on Nexus have simply moved here where they can act with impunity.
And I am fully aware that there are many decent folks within the sims4 community and I do not allow myself any judgement on who is superior overall.

But as it stands right now, Loverslab has become the dumping ground where all the parasites gather...

Edited August 15, 2024 by Pamatronic

[porkybork]

38 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

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Honestly, I don't even think this situation we have here is really that much of rule issue. Its more of an enforcement issue of existing rules.

 

We have a rule against pay walling content.
we have rules (and laws) about not redistributing other peoples content.

 

They are just being ignored (yes, by the staff too).
And I´am willing to accept that this simply has something to do with the fact that the moderation staff is primarily at home in the Beth Sphere themselves and therefore simply doesn't pay that much attention.

And I think this Apathy is the main reason the situation became as bad as it is today.

As pointed out by others earlier. when we look at Nexus and the wider internet, interest in Skyrim is by orders of magnitude larger then it is for the sims.
So how do we explain the outsized percentage of sims content here?

 

The impression I got is thusly:
Nexus has more stringent moderation. If you engage in blatant advertising, spamming, content theft, they will ban you. Which means the content that IS hosted in Nexus is mostly fine.
BUT....
As moderation here on on LL isn't as rigorous (or even present at all), All the bad actors who cannot do their thing on Nexus have simply moved here where they can act with impunity.
And I am fully aware that there are many decent folks within the sims4 community and I do not allow myself any judgement on who is superior overall.

But as it stands right now, Loverslab has become the dumping ground where all the parasites gather...

 

This makes me wonder if the Sims 4 section of LL needs its own dedicated moderator. 🤔

[Ashal]

Enough. 

 

This topic has quickly derailed and become unproductive. The aggressive back-and-forth is completely unnecessary. The two communities, in both the "LL v Nexus" and "Bethesda v Sims" senses, are different and operate differently. There is no need to argue about any of this.

 

If the thread continues in this unproductive and argumentative manner, it will be locked.

 

The proposed rule will be tweaked and implemented as necessary using the feedback provided, as will a rule about collections of smaller uploads. Additional issues around Patreon spamming, AI content, and crediting will also be examined and worked into things as we feel appropriate. 

 

[davisev5225]

18 minutes ago, Ashal said:

Additional issues around Patreon spamming, AI content, and crediting will also be examined and worked into things as we feel appropriate.

 

Can the Patreon rule be a more general rule about advertising, and can it please include a prohibition against redirecting people to external download sites/forums/etc. that require registering an account to access?

Edited August 15, 2024 by davisev5225

[Maglog]

2 hours ago, Ashal said:

The two communities, in both the "LL v Nexus" and "Bethesda v Sims" senses, are different and operate differently. 

If the thread continues in this unproductive and argumentative manner, it will be locked.

The proposed rule will be tweaked and implemented as necessary using the feedback provided, as will a rule about collections of smaller uploads. 

 👆Thanks for acknowledging this: "are different and operate differently", but can't agree on the first part of that sentence. Because basically nexus prevailed here (since you decided to make those rules to happen, if they are going to be implemented as proposed under the last show case from nexus), on your site and LL (maybe slowly, maybe this will speed up in some time🤷‍♂️) will be becoming nexus. And of course this whole discussion raised because objectively and essentially there are 2 groups of people here, one of them wants it to be modeled under nexus ways, and second - who came here, and saw LL more fitting for them. Nothing new or nothing what we can't see to be differing from IRL.  

 

One thing i would like to notice, since you mentioned here: "unproductive and argumentative manner". This is not a reply to those who will be quoted, i'm providing this info so you could see the actual credibility level of the complaining side (which you in the end supported):  

 

On 8/13/2024 at 10:30 PM, Neodarkside said:

That right there has always been my biggest complaint and why I would prefer CAS Sims cannot mention Patreon at all. They are paywalling content that isn't theirs and if not 100% of the time NEVER credited the original creator. Its why I've watched many many MANY good CC creators vanish offline, blatant theft. The rule idea is valid for me, because the screenshot on page 1 listing like 6 sims by the same person is literally a gif of the sim and a few outfits and their name. Nothing else.

Under this discussion and proposed rule (as a first end result) we are adding rules on descriptions to the mods, part of which is the "giving credits". This person here, stated that it stands on Pro for this, on the complaining side (in general, i mean). We all can read, don't think that it is needed to somehow decrypt the messages true meaning. Here are the posts made by the same (complaining) person:

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 👆should this be considered then as self-reported criminal🤔 Specifically used this world, but only because this person is considering, as it is apparent now, it's own behavior as "blatant theft", but can't follow the thing which it supports. Yet insists on rules to be applied whith this actual meaning behind it. Basically, it's the same method i use (disclaimer), but in another wording. Difference here is: i don't consider my self a thief or a rule breaking, and don't go yanking on my support of the thing, which i don't follow myself.

 

Let's take another example of active Pro rules position.  This post here: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/235329-sims-spam-again/?do=findComment&comment=4447961, this part: "Bold of you to assume "us Beth game modders" like that stuff either. If all those "beasties XXX photos" mods disappeared I wouldn't shed a single tear. But anyhow, that's irrelevant here.". I said about probable bestiality concerns and us not interfering in order LL would be non hostile place "for all" . As it comes out from reply to that in it's core, the answer to me was: you are wrong, i don't like bestiality too, it's not related to me or us. Here are his posts: 

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 👆what do we see here🤔 lizzard people, horses and etc. i'm not expert on sexual stuff, but those are partly inhuman (animalistic), they are sexually related. What should it tell us? this is yet another example of person who doesn't follow it's own words. For the record, it's not his kink problem, but contradictions, contradictions.  If we follow the course of our discussion, all what was asked for is to give us some of the proof of his position (Pro on rules) being righteous / fair. It is normal, civilized and ordinary way to handle arguments. What was yet another response. This person didn't give essential reply (we asked for links to rules), instead he gave a link to Docta's opinion (it is called link to the authority).

I'm aware that Docta is a moderator, but the post which was quoted actually wasn't his exercise of the administration part (at least didn't seem so), but administration sharing opinion and participating on equal basis to gather the data / feedback. 

 

The person who started this whole topic, one of his points (basically) is small works = "LE" + to that small mods must come together under one downloading post (it is obvious and anyways derives out since you are also announced that "as will a rule about collections of smaller uploads").

 

Here were brought up pics from his page:  https://www.loverslab.com/topic/235329-sims-spam-again/?do=findComment&comment=4448916, if we take closer look, we are also be able to see itself phrases like "this is very small script", and "this is small flavor addon for my (other) mod". Obv. small mods not under one (the one ring to rule them all is missing). Also under the same (last) link was brought up (with evidence) another one who was complaining about "LE" while from its own side seems to be no effort at all.  Hence it is another examples of inconsistent positions of the complaining side.

 

I'm writing you this all because, maybe, you would reconsider (it's only in your powers). If not, got nothing to do with it, but if you are thinking about making the description part in the way as it was case shown here: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/235329-sims-spam-again/?do=findComment&comment=4449017; - when taking and giving examples (with posting them under the administration seal) for people would be really helpful. Otherwise, from wording description, i'm afraid, it will not be as exesable.

 

Nice time of day or night to you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Otaku]

Come on, it's not a proper LL discussion if it doesn't devolve into everyone writing essays about how everyone else is fucking retarded lmao.

 

On a serious note, i don't think there's a one size fits all solution for a problem like this. Not gonna rehash what i already said but being able to toggle games on or off from the list of games and it's content that is visible to users would be kind of a blanket remedy i think. That still leaves the problem of people that do want to see content from said games minus the spam but yk, can't win 'em all. Or you could go with porkybork's idea and have a dedicated sims moderator but that kinda ties back to what i originally said, moderation needs serious improvement here.

 

Alright time to go sleep.

[Ashal]

7 minutes ago, Maglog said:

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You are, in fact, assuming way too much about everything and looking way too deep into things that really aren't that deep or complicated.

 

Chill. There is no need to carry this on, you've said your piece.

[Neodarkside]

9 hours ago, Maglog said:

blah blah blah

 

I'm sorry, but WTF?! Nice personal attack there. Blatant theft? I gave as much credit as I could, I listed I do not own nor intended to use as personal gain. I listed credit to Pyxis for the skins and many of the CC. Also nice job of digging up something from 5 years ago to use against me. Real smooth, asshole.

[Simpossible_xx]

Guys, do you even remember what you were talking about? The sim spam problem on the main page was solved right away, and the rest of your discussion turned into a total mess.

 

If you want to keep debating, it would be better to focus on one issue at a time so everyone can join in. I lost track of your conversation two pages ago, and going on like this isn’t helpful nor productive.

[Guest]

I don't see any spam. It is the nature of modding, you will have heavy numbers of mods in some area or another. 

[Blaze69]

40 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

I don't see any spam.

You don't see any spam because Ashal took swift action after concerns were raised and disabled uploads on the "Sims 4 - Sims" category (the main source of that spam) from showing up on the "New Files" section of the main page.

 

The rest of the discussion concerns other measures being considered to curtail the kind of unethical behavior that's the cause of that spam in the first place, since while it's (thankfully) not as obvious/obnoxious now due to those measures, it still exists and that files section is still full of those files.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Blaze69

[Algene]

Eh might as well just nuke this and wait till the next spam wave, I ain't a mod but seems like this thread already did what it needed to do

[Skömer]

On 8/13/2024 at 8:43 AM, Ashal said:

To help maintain a higher quality standard on submissions, all file submissions must include a detailed description, clear installation instructions, and at least one screenshot or other visual aid showcasing the mod. Submissions should also provide compatibility information when applicable to ensure users can easily use your mod and credit any relevant included assets that are not their own.

 

Uploads with placeholders or lacking any of the aforementioned relevant information may be removed without notice or warning. Please ensure your upload details are complete and informative at the time of upload to contribute positively to our community.

I welcome the first part of the rule as a neat guideline any modpage should follow ideally.

 

The second part could however lead to a massive deletion wave. The average quality of mod pages is extremely poor. Based on my nsfw Rimworld mod compilation I'd say maybe 30% of modpages would even fulfill the bare minimum requirements. Modders usually just make a mod for fun but don't want to bother about presenting it to others so they just upload it somewhere and leave it there without a proper description.

 

I dont think upping the requirements for modpages will do anything but to discurage modders from uploading their work here. They will just put it up on a Discord instead, the issues of which i dont want to get into here.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Skömer

[Neodarkside]

4 minutes ago, Skömer said:

The second part could however lead to a massive deletion wave. The average quality of mod pages is extremely poor. Based on my nsfw Rimworld mod compilation I'd say maybe 30% of modpages would even fulfill the bare minimum requirements. Modders usually just make a mod for fun but don't want to bother about presenting it to others so they just upload it somewhere and leave it there without a proper description.

 

Maybe, from my stand point, you upload something that has zero description and a placeholder pic or just a single picture of something I don't even know what it is. My thoughts are, Virus which I report, or something that isn't worth my time to even look at, If you care about what you are presenting, add something. Even if its a little "Hey, I made this, its (Insert description here), you can find it in (SIms category/Game category)." Thats better than what we've been seeing and what Pamatronic pointed out in the screenshot, 7-8 Sims with no description, just a gif. So low effort, Spam.

[Skömer]

7 minutes ago, Neodarkside said:

 

Maybe, from my stand point, you upload something that has zero description and a placeholder pic or just a single picture of something I don't even know what it is. My thoughts are, Virus which I report, or something that isn't worth my time to even look at, If you care about what you are presenting, add something. Even if its a little "Hey, I made this, its (Insert description here), you can find it in (SIms category/Game category)." Thats better than what we've been seeing and what Pamatronic pointed out in the screenshot, 7-8 Sims with no description, just a gif. So low effort, Spam.

There are more games on this site than the sims and skyrim. I am happy for any file uploaded into the rimworld category

[Neodarkside]

1 minute ago, Skömer said:

There are more games on this site than the sims and skyrim. I am happy for any file uploaded into the rimworld category

 

Yes, I am quite aware of that, Was using them as an example. If you want to get people interested in your creation, a little bit of effort goes a long way, entice them to look at it. Blank image and very little information, chances are you've already lost your target audience. I am also not going to download something to my PC I know absolutely nothing about.