Animal Research: The Insatiable Scholar

[saferian]

This is hands down one of the best Skyrim Mods I've ever played. I haven't had the time to finish it yet, but the whole thing felt like a proper adventure and I really appreciate that.

 

Brilliant work.

Edited November 10, 2024 by saferian

[Donuts4me]

On 11/8/2024 at 8:47 AM, killer905 said:

3 animations instead of 10? The only thing I can think of is that the scene is looking for specific animations e.g. Doggy style meaning e.g. blowjob or foreplay will not be considered.

 

I notice with the Ragnar threesomes there is only one animation even though I have two. I only ever see the Anub animation 'Dog Female Female Tutor' from the Anubs Creature 2 pack.

 

I also have one more animation from Billyy_CreatureBeasts that is FFC with canines. But that one never appears when doing the Ragnar threesomes. I assume it has something to do with the animation tags?

 

Anub's 'Dog Female Female Tutor' animation has the tags: Creature,Dog,Dogs,Bestiality,Dirty,Rough,Vaginal

 

Billyy's '(Canine) FFC 1 DoggyCunn' animation has the tags: Creature,Dog,Canine,Wolf,Bestiality,Threesome,FFC,Dirty,Laying,Handjob,Blowjob,Vaginal,Cunnilingus,Creampie,Knotted,Doggy,Doggystyle,MovingDick,ABC

 

I hope you can see the problem with those tags and make an adjustment to let the Billyy animation work like the Anub animation. It would be nice to have more than one option.

 

 

On a side note, all this talk of threesomes and looking through animations made me notice some other threesome opportunities you could have in this mod. Anubs has a bear FFC threesome in the Creature pack. You could add threesome options with the bear being with either the PC & Tirwin, the PC & Ria, or Tirwin & Ria.

 

There is also a troll FFC animation in this same Anubs pack if you ever decide to revisit trolls. I was thinking you could maybe add an extra round at the end of the troll cave somehow? Like in Double Trouble after round 2 ends one of the trolls is exhausted and wants to take a break. The other is not done so Tirwin and the PC have a threesome with it for round 3. After that round ends, the troll that took a break gets angry and attacks. Just a suggestion.

 

There are a lot of FFC possibilities with these packs:

 

-Anubs Creature (werewolf, bear, riekling, troll)

-Anubs Creature 2 (horse, wolf, dog)

-Billyy_CreatureBeasts (boar, canine, horse, skeever)

-Billyy_CreatureHumanoids (draugr, falmer, riekling)

 

Edited November 11, 2024 by Donuts4me

[killer905]

9 hours ago, saferian said:

This is hands down one of the best Skyrim Mods I've ever played. I haven't had the time to finish it yet, but the whole thing felt like a proper adventure and I really appreciate that.

 

Brilliant work.

❤️

 

2 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

I notice with the Ragnar threesomes there is only one animation even though I have two. I only ever see the Anub animation 'Dog Female Female Tutor' from the Anubs Creature 2 pack.

 

I also have one more animation from Billyy_CreatureBeasts that is FFC with canines. But that one never appears when doing the Ragnar threesomes. I assume it has something to do with the animation tags?

 

Anub's 'Dog Female Female Tutor' animation has the tags: Creature,Dog,Dogs,Bestiality,Dirty,Rough,Vaginal

 

Billyy's '(Canine) FFC 1 DoggyCunn' animation has the tags: Creature,Dog,Canine,Wolf,Bestiality,Threesome,FFC,Dirty,Laying,Handjob,Blowjob,Vaginal,Cunnilingus,Creampie,Knotted,Doggy,Doggystyle,MovingDick,ABC

 

I hope you can see the problem with those tags and make an adjustment to let the Billyy animation work like the Anub animation. It would be nice to have more than one option.

I checked the script and it is looking for an animation called ‘Dogs’ and that one animation is running that you specified. Probably to avoid a Tirwin or PC female in the male position during sex in a threesome with a dog. In my case, I am also triggered by this one particular animation, but I have 6 in general for CFF.

 

I add this as a thing to be fixed.

 

2 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

On a side note, all this talk of threesomes and looking through animations made me notice some other threesome opportunities you could have in this mod. Anubs has a bear FFC threesome in the Creature pack. You could add threesome options with the bear being with either the PC & Tirwin, the PC & Ria, or Tirwin & Ria.

I have added to the to-do list.

 

3 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

There is also a troll FFC animation in this same Anubs pack if you ever decide to revisit trolls. I was thinking you could maybe add an extra round at the end of the troll cave somehow? Like in Double Trouble after round 2 ends one of the trolls is exhausted and wants to take a break. The other is not done so Tirwin and the PC have a threesome with it for round 3. After that round ends, the troll that took a break gets angry and attacks. Just a suggestion.

We do not foresee a ‘re-visit’ to the trolls because we have killed them (Yes I know respawn in a few days). Round 3 would only make sense for Female PC. But the fact can be added especially since there will be no possibility to play with trolls in that cave later. Added as a suggestion.

 

3 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

There are a lot of FFC possibilities with these packs:

 

-Anubs Creature (werewolf, bear, riekling, troll)

-Anubs Creature 2 (horse, wolf, dog)

-Billyy_CreatureBeasts (boar, canine, horse, skeever)

-Billyy_CreatureHumanoids (draugr, falmer, riekling)

 

We will take this into consideration when we designing quests with these creatures.

In the case of the horse, it is Tirwin who loses the mood also there is no possibility (currently) for a CFF horse.

[Donuts4me]

13 minutes ago, killer905 said:

I have added to the to-do list.

 

Thank you!

 

14 minutes ago, killer905 said:

We do not foresee a ‘re-visit’ to the trolls because we have killed them (Yes I know respawn in a few days). Round 3 would only make sense for Female PC. But the fact can be added especially since there will be no possibility to play with trolls in that cave later. Added as a suggestion.

 

Sorry. 'Re-visit' was the wrong word for me to use. What I meant was maybe make a change to the Double Trouble quest you already have. I did not mean go back to the same cave after the quest is complete and see 'new' trolls.

 

I was thinking that maybe after round two ends, the player's troll is done but Tirwin's troll is not and maybe she could use some help? Then after Tirwin and the player finish round three the fight will start and things will go just as they always did with Ria and the bear showing up.

 

Also, by 're-visit trolls' I was implying you might have more interactions with different trolls at a later time during a different quest. Like maybe there could be a quest involving Tirwin and the player adventuring up north in the snow and engaging with a frost troll? That could possibly be the time to have the troll threesome and afterwards the troll might not attack this time because you and Tirwin actually managed to satisfy it together!

 

Again, just suggestions.

[killer905]

20 minutes ago, Donuts4me said:

Sorry. 'Re-visit' was the wrong word for me to use. What I meant was maybe make a change to the Double Trouble quest you already have. I did not mean go back to the same cave after the quest is complete and see 'new' trolls.

 

I was thinking that maybe after round two ends, the player's troll is done but Tirwin's troll is not and maybe she could use some help? Then after Tirwin and the player finish round three the fight will start and things will go just as they always did with Ria and the bear showing up.

We see.

 

20 minutes ago, Donuts4me said:

Also, by 're-visit trolls' I was implying you might have more interactions with different trolls at a later time during a different quest. Like maybe there could be a quest involving Tirwin and the player adventuring up north in the snow and engaging with a frost troll? That could possibly be the time to have the troll threesome and afterwards the troll might not attack this time because you and Tirwin actually managed to satisfy it together!

No plans in this way but who knows.

[eflat01]

On 11/10/2024 at 11:14 PM, Donuts4me said:

 

I notice with the Ragnar threesomes there is only one animation even though I have two. I only ever see the Anub animation 'Dog Female Female Tutor' from the Anubs Creature 2 pack.

 

I also have one more animation from Billyy_CreatureBeasts that is FFC with canines. But that one never appears when doing the Ragnar threesomes. I assume it has something to do with the animation tags?

 

Anub's 'Dog Female Female Tutor' animation has the tags: Creature,Dog,Dogs,Bestiality,Dirty,Rough,Vaginal

 

Billyy's '(Canine) FFC 1 DoggyCunn' animation has the tags: Creature,Dog,Canine,Wolf,Bestiality,Threesome,FFC,Dirty,Laying,Handjob,Blowjob,Vaginal,Cunnilingus,Creampie,Knotted,Doggy,Doggystyle,MovingDick,ABC

 

I hope you can see the problem with those tags and make an adjustment to let the Billyy animation work like the Anub animation. It would be nice to have more than one option.

 

 

 

 

 

I think Grislte is relying on SexLab to find the available animations by race and in most calls omits the type of sex search tags in the call unless looking for the "aggressive" and/or "rough" tags as in the case of the Trolls.  

 

I have not found the dog scene code yet but... 

 

i.e. for the bear scenes they're doing this...

 

sslBaseAnimation[] anims = SexLab.GetCreatureAnimationsByRaceKey (2,"Bears")
SexLab.StartSex(acts, anims, CenterOn = BearSexMarker)

 

that first statement gets the animation to play and the second plays it.

 

My guess is the race tag being passed in is likely "Dogs" Billyy's does not have that tag.

 

So then add the tag Dogs to that animation to see if that solves it.

 

 

EDIT: I think I may had found the issue?

 

in Anubs json file they have both dogs and canines "creature_race": "Dogs", "creature_race": "Canines"

 

but in in Billyy's json they only have "creature_race": "Canines",

 

I have not found the setup for the anims for the dog scenes yet but may pulling them by race as above with the bears?

Edited November 13, 2024 by eflat01

[kamithemoon]

On 11/10/2024 at 1:37 PM, saferian said:

This is hands down one of the best Skyrim Mods I've ever played. I haven't had the time to finish it yet, but the whole thing felt like a proper adventure and I really appreciate that.

 

Brilliant work.

Did you use my voice files? =D.  How were they in game?

[Donuts4me]

1 hour ago, kamithemoon said:

Did you use my voice files? =D.  How were they in game?

 

They were great! Normally I don't go for voice files because they often sound so 'robotic'. But your voice files sound much better than any others I've tried for other mods.

[saferian]

On 11/13/2024 at 6:33 AM, kamithemoon said:

Did you use my voice files? =D.  How were they in game?

 

Haven't had the time to do that as well. But I'm setting up another mod list, I've already acquired your project too!

[tlrd]

Just found the book and it references semen collection will that play a part in this mod or some time in the future?

[killer905]

1 hour ago, tlrd said:

Just found the book and it references semen collection will that play a part in this mod or some time in the future?

To be honest, collecting semen is just to fill the content of the book. Tirwin doesn't collect semen for any purpose, but I think it would be ok if PC could sell vials of semen at any Alchemist. A thing to think about.

[Kanerah]

Sounds like fun and interesting mod. Are animal animations required for quests to proceed? I don't mind them, but I already have metric ton of animations installed so I skip animal animations ( and I play as male character). Maybe a fade to black, as alternative?

I've hit a stop when she's first supposed to have sex with a wolf and player is supposed to peak behind the wagon, but nothing happens.

[killer905]

2 hours ago, Kanerah said:

Sounds like fun and interesting mod. Are animal animations required for quests to proceed? I don't mind them, but I already have metric ton of animations installed so I skip animal animations ( and I play as male character). Maybe a fade to black, as alternative?

I've hit a stop when she's first supposed to have sex with a wolf and player is supposed to peak behind the wagon, but nothing happens.

Being behind the cart should trigger the wolf sex animation with Tirwin also if you don't have one or have creature animations turned off, nothing will happen. Unfortunately these animations are required (currently) for the quest to progress further. Yes, you can play as a Male PC.

[tlrd]

Does Tirwin ever get full follower features like the ability to change her clothes? I saw people talking about her and NFF and wanted to add the NFF Ignore token to her inventory so I wouldn't accidently import her.

[killer905]

4 hours ago, tlrd said:

Does Tirwin ever get full follower features like the ability to change her clothes? I saw people talking about her and NFF and wanted to add the NFF Ignore token to her inventory so I wouldn't accidently import her.

Probably not, but you can use NFF. I just don't know if this won't mess up some quests.

[Gristle]

On 11/12/2024 at 2:24 PM, eflat01 said:

I think Grislte is relying on SexLab to find the available animations by race and in most calls omits the type of sex search tags in the call unless looking for the "aggressive" and/or "rough" tags as in the case of the Trolls.  

Yes. This is correct. Most creature calls in the mod are done only using the "racekey" which is a separate thing from tags.  While I very much appreciate the work of the animators, there is no consistency with tag use, and because of this creature tags are unfortunately a bit of a mess. Take the example above ("Creature,Dog,Dogs,Bestiality,Dirty,Rough,Vaginal"), I can use a "Dogs" or "Canines" racekey, so the Creature, Dog, Dogs, and Beastiality tags don't add anything. Also, Dirty? Isn't all sex with dogs dirty? Rough and Vaginal are helpful, but half the time the "rough" animations have the PC on top of the creature, which is not immersive, for example, if the PC is supposed to be forced or dominated in the scene. The Doggy tags in the Billyy's set are great, but a lot of sets don't use this tag. Also, some sets use Rough, others use Aggressive, some use neither. Fortunately for this mod, Tirwin is typically not being forced, so in most cases pretty much any animation that comes up works.

On 11/12/2024 at 2:24 PM, eflat01 said:

EDIT: I think I may had found the issue?

 

in Anubs json file they have both dogs and canines "creature_race": "Dogs", "creature_race": "Canines"

 

but in in Billyy's json they only have "creature_race": "Canines",

 

I have not found the setup for the anims for the dog scenes yet but may pulling them by race as above with the bears?

Good call. This must be the issue. The current code is using the "Dogs" racekey and not the "Canines" racekey. I will switch to the "Canines" racekey. It's mostly the same set of races but includes the Wolf and Death Hound races in addition to the various dog races. They must all have the same skeleton so it makes sense that an animator would use a Canines racekey.

[eflat01]

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

Yes. This is correct. Most creature calls in the mod are done only using the "racekey" which is a separate thing from tags.  While I very much appreciate the work of the animators, there is no consistency with tag use, and because of this creature tags are unfortunately a bit of a mess. Take the example above ("Creature,Dog,Dogs,Bestiality,Dirty,Rough,Vaginal"), I can use a "Dogs" or "Canines" racekey, so the Creature, Dog, Dogs, and Beastiality tags don't add anything. Also, Dirty? Isn't all sex with dogs dirty? Rough and Vaginal are helpful, but half the time the "rough" animations have the PC on top of the creature, which is not immersive, for example, if the PC is supposed to be forced or dominated in the scene. The Doggy tags in the Billyy's set are great, but a lot of sets don't use this tag. Also, some sets use Rough, others use Aggressive, some use neither. Fortunately for this mod, Tirwin is typically not being forced, so in most cases pretty much any animation that comes up works.

Good call. This must be the issue. The current code is using the "Dogs" racekey and not the "Canines" racekey. I will switch to the "Canines" racekey. It's mostly the same set of races but includes the Wolf and Death Hound races in addition to the various dog races. They must all have the same skeleton so it makes sense that an animator would use a Canines racekey.

 

I know animators and people who package the animations are typically inconsistent when it comes to tags and race, when it comes to sex lab, ostem etc... there is no set standard to be had.  Then again even the base game's definition and use of a race really does not help much either. 

 

I spent a lot of time adjusting keywords in AAF xml files for Fo4, often duplicating the same animation sets just under different sets of tags and positions, i.e. to turn a MF set into a FF etc... 

 

When it comes to Anubs I'm not sure if they're doing a duplicate set thing and I'm really not sure if Dogs, Huskies, Wolves and Death-hounds share the same skeleton? They'd be rather close if not and easily adjusted to position. The people who make the nif models would know though. 

 

btw:  Doggy tag is a sexual position ( F on all fours M behind ).

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by eflat01

[tlrd]

For some reason Tirwin is not initiating dialoug with me after have sex a creature, it happen with the wolf and now the bear. I used setstage to get around the wolf thinking it was due to the AE content placed in the camp but no mod I have touches the cave the bear is in. I do have Sexlab +P if that makes any difference.

[squart2203]

just wanna drop in and say thanks for also catering to depraved turboslut character types. helpless subby females getting exploited down to their essence is such a tired troupe.

[leking]

We need more follower and quest like this. Keep up the amazing work

[killer905]

4 hours ago, leking said:

We need more follower and quest like this. Keep up the amazing work

Fixes are currently being worked on in the current quests. And yes in the near future the creation of tasks for Solstheim will start also there will be new creatures to play with  ❤️ When will there be new content? Not likely this year, but who knows maybe there will be but remember ‘no promises’. 

 

More follower? It's unlikely another follower will be added, but who knows.

[sophiextime]

Thank you so much for a wonderful mod. I am very excited to see the future of it. I was really in need of a fresh story in my play and this filled that need well. thank you again.

[tlrd]

I started a new save with regular Sexlab and not P+ and the wolf scene plays out perfectly she comes to talk to me with her hair down and everything. But somehow I have a new Issue she is only casting oakflesh in combat none of her other spells once she casts it she either runs in and tries to punch everyone or goes and looks for a weapon. Ive tried on a new save, other mod added mage followers, and vanilla mage followers none of them do this. She is also not being manage by NFF.

 

 

*Edit: For some reason at in my game at low levels she doesn't like using her spell? I started a new game and played to about level 10 and everything works!

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by tlrd

[DJShamrock]

Could we have this also pointed at KS Hairdos SMP? (or even better remove the master?) It is stand a lone but includes physics for all the KS Hairdos and would prefer to use it but missing master issues from this mod won't let me.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/31300?tab=description

Edited December 11, 2024 by DJShamrock

[Gristle]

On 12/1/2024 at 12:37 AM, tlrd said:

I started a new save with regular Sexlab and not P+ and the wolf scene plays out perfectly she comes to talk to me with her hair down and everything. But somehow I have a new Issue she is only casting oakflesh in combat none of her other spells once she casts it she either runs in and tries to punch everyone or goes and looks for a weapon. Ive tried on a new save, other mod added mage followers, and vanilla mage followers none of them do this. She is also not being manage by NFF.

 

 

*Edit: For some reason at in my game at low levels she doesn't like using her spell? I started a new game and played to about level 10 and everything works!

 

I think it is just the level. She levels with the PC. She does have novice spells (and perks) though. I'll double check those. We could also cheat a bit and give her a little magicka boost. In my playthroughs I often give her magicka-boosting items.