Baldurs gate 3?

[27X]

7 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

Haha. Ok. Lets examine this on a very relevant case:

 

Who is Robert A. Altman? Who is Harry E. Sloan? Did he or did he not come from MGM?

 

How about Les Moonves? A big video game guy? Or did he come from CBS?

 

Robert Trump? Terry McAuliffe? George J. Mitchell? Screenwriter Dean Devlin? Jon Feltheimer from Lions Gate?

 

Is the USC School of Cinematic Arts more closely tied to Hollywood money or video games?

 

SBS Broadcasting and Providence Equity Partners. A real brain-trust of game developers?

 

 

It was reasonable that I didn't understand what they meant by EA because many EA games are WAY further along than they were. There were no obvious warnings saying "the story itself is incomplete in this release." They easily could have had the entire story but with fewer characters or other assets. I'm not a mind reader.

 

The rest of your comment is just nonsensical. But, thank you for your feedback!

 

 

Haha Ok.

 

While you're cherrypicking google:

 

Look up EA and Activision and Axis and Atari and Infogrames.

 

As impossible as it is to accept, life existed before you started paying attention, and people were there when it happened.

 

ya know think I'm just gonna head this one off at the pass:

 

List of people I've conversed with covering this subject:

 

Fred Ford

Paul Reiche III

Erol Otus

Sylv Fekteky

John Dombrowski

The Weekes

Eric Fagnan

Greg Johnson

 

so the part where you're gonna wiki me real good is LITERALLY immafuckingterial. I don't need a wiki to know what happened 15 years later.

Edited August 18, 2023 by 27X

[dagobaking]

1 hour ago, Sladen2019 said:

Do all of the female NPCs in the game have the same body ? Except of course for height and skin tones. Are there body physics ?

 

Same bodies? I don't think so. They might have same meshes and different normals? But, they look pretty different to me.

 

The only physics I see are on hair.

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

It is because you cannot justify your original comments and are now just waffling.

 

I justified my comments clearly and concisely.

 

I'm not waffling. I'm mostly laughing that you still seem to think this is a hill to die on.

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

To you it may have done but what Larian put out about their EA set the expectations for everyone else. Which takes us back to my original criticism of your original comments.

 

Aha! You talked to "everyone else"? Your arguments now rely on magically everyone else agreeing with you and me being an individual outlier. But, I am the one waffling?!

 

My point stands, many EA games are fully playable. For example, Rimworld. That game was in EA for years and was fully playable from beginning to end of games. It even won awards in the years before it was officially released.

 

It could be that the RPG genre doesn't fit as well within the EA model. An interesting point that would fall perfectly within my original comments.

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Because you want to have your cake and eat it. One the one hand you complain that EA wasn't as extensive as you thought it would be and on the other hand you complain that playing EA detracted from the pleasure of playing the full game. Would more EA content somehow detracted less from enjoyment of the full game?

Apart from anything else did it not occur to you that playing EA would detract from your enjoyment of the full release however much content was in the EA version?

 

It's not a matter of more content. It's the type. Had the story and environments been complete but it was without some cut-scenes, class options, spell options, weapons, etc. I could make a better decision about how much I wanted to go through it. As it turned out, the Act 1 in EA was pretty good. So, I intended to just play the whole game through (and probably would not have played it on release at all). But, was surprised when it just cut off mid-story. Now, I have to play through Act 1 again to see the later acts. It's definitely more polished than before. But, not different enough to hold my interest. I'm now rushing through it just to get to the new content.

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

That statement makes absolutely no sense. How Larian or any other company release an EA version of a game that is not an 'incomplete spoiler'? Again we return to my original point - the mistake is yours. Nobody forced you to buy the EA version. I mean, what the hell did you think you were buying?

 

Um. Something that is playable all the way through like Rimworld was.

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

There are people on the Larian forum who signed up for EA on day 1 and have played through it several dozen times. Many of these people are planning their builds and play-through styles for play-throughs way down the line. EA didn't spoil their enjoyment because they knew what they were getting into.

 

I don't doubt this and I'm sure those people would disagree with me on this point. But, I'm the opposite and I've always presented this point as my opinion.

 

If the game isn't dynamic (like Rimworld) I just want to play it once. To me, BG3 is maybe good for 2 play-throughs separated by 5 years. Thats been my pattern with other similar games.

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Like they say: caveat emptor.

 

Sorry. I'm not a Harry Potter kind of guy.

 

1 hour ago, User39042 said:

Yes, and that's cool, but there's a world of difference between those characters and any of the top character mods on Skyrim or FO4. Comparing Baldur's Gate 3's models to something like Vindictus, Black Desert, PSO2, or typical waifus from other games like Miranda from Mass Effect, or Tifa, or Lara Croft, or most of the DOA cast. I mean there is a -WORLD- of difference between BG3's flabby middle-aged women and top-tier fantasy picks. A .... world ..., like different dimension, of difference. Nobody can logically deny it, the sales alone would prove them wrong.

 

Yeah. I mean, if you're looking for the best potential babe variation, you're probably right that there are better options.

[dagobaking]

1 hour ago, 27X said:

 

 

Haha Ok.

 

While you're cherrypicking google:

 

Look up EA and Activision and Axis and Atari and Infogrames.

 

As impossible as it is to accept, life existed before you started paying attention, and people were there when it happened.

 

ya know think I'm just gonna head this one off at the pass:

 

List of people I've conversed with covering this subject:

 

Fred Ford

Paul Reiche III

Erol Otus

Sylv Fekteky

John Dombrowski

The Weekes

Eric Fagnan

Greg Johnson

 

so the part where you're gonna wiki me real good is LITERALLY immafuckingterial. I don't need a wiki to know what happened 15 years later.

 

You dont seem to make any coherent point. Let alone addressing the one I made. Maybe one of the people in your list can stop by and explain what you are even trying to argue?

 

And yes, I did need the internet to remember those names. But, not to remember the type of people they are. I'm not in the habit of remembering the names of people I think don't belong controlling video game companies.

 

I'm going to go ahead and chalk this up to: my point stands.

 

Exactly as I stated before, as soon as video games started making massive dollars a bunch of non-video-game-related dipshits showed up to take control of these "properties". I bet most if not everyone on your list would agree with me on that.

 

I did look up the game companies you listed out. And they have very similar histories to the one I outlined. Often being sold, chopped-up and/or now run by people from hollywood and/or private equity backgrounds, etc. Bobby Kotick being the only possible exception since he was a coder at least at one point. But, even he is on record spouting the same mentality I'm complaining about (milking the IP as a financial strategy instead of just focusing on making great products)... Maybe you need wiki more than you realized?

Edited August 18, 2023 by dagobaking

[Grey Cloud]

On 8/17/2023 at 5:25 AM, dagobaking said:

Baldur's Gate 3 is great. My only beef with it is that I didn't like the pre-release purchase thing they did. I bought it without understanding fully a long time back. So, I ended up playing light-weight versions of it half-way through once or twice. Now, that takes a lot of fun out of playing the full version all the way through.

 

This was your original point. You "bought it without understanding fully". Hence my point that the problem is with you and not Larian.

[Grey Cloud]

9 hours ago, Sladen2019 said:

Do all of the female NPCs in the game have the same body ? Except of course for height and skin tones. Are there body physics ?

There are three body shapes for some races  - slim, regular and beefy. Some races only have two. Physics is restricted to hair and, I think, cloaks - definitely not bodies. Even the number of different heads is small so everyone is "same bloke, different haircut". Hair clips through armour. In fact most things clip.

 

Character creation is nowhere as good as Racemenu. You can't move eyes or ears for example. You can't alter eye, ears, mouth or nose shape. But in true Larian fashion you have novelty and gimmicks - you can choose your pronoun; you can have eye heterochromia; you can have vitiglio; you can have any number of modern hair styles; and you can have coloured horns.

[bjornk]

I would rate this game as 7 out of 10, at best. My overall impression of this game is that it's just an okay game with a lot of woke, female empowerment, forced diversity, LGBT virtue signalling, spread across in a hypocritical way which is sometimes quite obnoxious. It adds nothing new to the genre and is not a good sequel for BG series either, it's essentially a BG/Faerun flavored D:OS game runs on D&D rule set and this literally was the common impression in many EA reviews of this game and there really wasn't much interest in it before the recent hype. All of the recent 90+ Metacritic scores aren't realistic by any means, I'm sure most of those people didn't even finish the game before rating it.

 

Unless you resort to exceptionalism, it's easy to see the obvious plot holes in the seemingly convoluted main story as well as in side stories. I really despise the in-your-face dice rolls which seemingly every single good dialogue option has to go through. Are the NPCs in the game also presented with class/skill based dialogue options and have to go through ridiculous dice rolls to determine what can come out of their smart fucking mouths? Of course not! The tactical combat can be fun in if you omit the so called Tactician mode, which makes the game ridiculously unfair and annoying by literally giving the enemy flat bonuses to their dice rolls, in other words making them more lucky than the player, besides buffing their stats and equipment. Companions (origin chars) are all of the same exact character archetype with just a different background story and are all annoying in different ways, maybe not as annoying as some original BG NPCs were. The game also doesn't support full custom party, the way BG2 did, and custom characters feel bland and boring. I was expecting the game to have an appearance import/export feature on release, which is quite trivial to make, but there isn't one, so you have to select every customization option again if you want to start another playthrough with the same character.

 

Never really was a BG fan, not interested in woke shit or bear sex, although the tactical combat is okay I guess, but definitely not worthy of 60 bucks. If you think you'd enjoy a more woke version of Dragon Age: Origins with turn-based combat and a more extensive C&C, then you might like this game, I'm quite sure the "gender fluid" Bioware fan crowd would. I'd like you to remind you that these are the very same people accusing players for creating "boring" characters, as if players have an obligation to play a fucking role-playing game the way the devs want...

 

https://www.polygon.com/2020/10/9/21509979/baldur-gate-3-character-creator-average-larian-studios

https://screenrant.com/baldurs-gate-3-early-access-boring-character-creator/

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/your-baldurs-gate-3-character-is-probably-boring-larian-say

 

TLDR: Why don't you create gender fluid abominations with a dick, boobs, pink beard and hair and lots of tattoos guys!?

 

The game already has full nudity and sex out of the box and I doubt the adult mods will be more extensive than what's available for games like DA:O or The Witcher series, which isn't much. I wouldn't attempt to mod it this early though, as the game seems to have a lot of bugs and performance issues and is likely to receive numerous patches for quite some time.

 

[Grey Cloud]

14 minutes ago, bjornk said:

I would rate this game as 7 out of 10, at best. My overall impression of this game is that it's just an okay game with a lot of woke, female empowerment, forced diversity, LGBT virtue signalling, spread across in a hypocritical way which is sometimes quite obnoxious. It adds nothing new to the genre and is not a good sequel for BG series either, it's essentially a BG/Faerun flavored D:OS game runs on D&D rule set and this literally was the common impression in many EA reviews of this game and there really wasn't much interest in it before the recent hype. All of the recent 90+ Metacritic scores aren't realistic by any means, I'm sure most of those people didn't even finish the game before rating it.

 

Unless you resort to exceptionalism, it's easy to see the obvious plot holes in the seemingly convoluted main story as well as in side stories. I really despise the in-your-face dice rolls which seemingly every single good dialogue option has to go through. Are the NPCs in the game also presented with class/skill based dialogue options and have to go through ridiculous dice rolls to determine what can come out of their smart fucking mouths? Of course not! The tactical combat can be fun in if you omit the so called Tactician mode, which makes the game ridiculously unfair and annoying by literally giving the enemy flat bonuses to their dice rolls, in other words making them more lucky than the player, besides buffing their stats and equipment. Companions (origin chars) are all of the same exact character archetype with just a different background story and are all annoying in different ways, maybe not as annoying as some original BG NPCs were. The game also doesn't support full custom party, the way BG2 did, and custom characters feel bland and boring. I was expecting the game to have an appearance import/export feature on release, which is quite trivial to make, but there isn't one, so you have to select every customization option again if you want to start another playthrough with the same character.

 

Never really was a BG fan, not interested in woke shit or bear sex, although the tactical combat is okay I guess, but definitely not worthy of 60 bucks. If you think you'd enjoy a more woke version of Dragon Age: Origins with turn-based combat and a more extensive C&C, then you might like this game, I'm quite sure the "gender fluid" Bioware fan crowd would. I'd like you to remind you that these are the very same people accusing players for creating "boring" characters, as if players have an obligation to play a fucking role-playing game the way the devs want...

 

https://www.polygon.com/2020/10/9/21509979/baldur-gate-3-character-creator-average-larian-studios

https://screenrant.com/baldurs-gate-3-early-access-boring-character-creator/

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/your-baldurs-gate-3-character-is-probably-boring-larian-say

 

TLDR: Why don't you create gender fluid abominations with a dick, boobs, pink beard and hair and lots of tattoos guys!?

 

The game already has full nudity and sex out of the box and I doubt the adult mods will be more extensive than what's available for games like DA:O or The Witcher series, which isn't much. I wouldn't attempt to mod it this early though, as the game seems to have a lot of bugs and performance issues and is likely to receive numerous patches for quite some time.

 

Couldn't agree more. I've made many of these same points myself over on the Larian forum.

 

Bear sex? Been there, done that.

 

Sadly the Larian forum software is so antiquated that you can't post images.

[bjornk]

This guy sounds like an alt-right conspiracy theorist, but he does point out a lot of valid points which I completely agree with.

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, bjornk said:

but he does point out a lot of valid points which I completely agree with.

I agree with you about agreeing with him.

[MintBerryCrunch!]

18 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

It was reasonable that I didn't understand what they meant by EA because many EA games are WAY further along than they were. There were no obvious warnings saying "the story itself is incomplete in this release." They easily could have had the entire story but with fewer characters or other assets. I'm not a mind reader.

 

 

 

The Steam page during the early access had the same FAQ section as any EA game, and that section CLEARLY stated that the EA version will only include Act 1. It could not have possibly been any more obvious that you're not getting the full game.

[KoolHndLuke]

Just don't pay for EA? Evar.....

 

Yeah, that works. 

 

In most cases, from what I can tell, it's a money grab for unfinished crap that is subject to change and/or for the dev to get a bunch of whiny feedback that'll negatively influence how they design the game going forward. Just bad either way imo.

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Yami X]

1. Apparently, you can't have a harem if you're a straight male. If you're Woman/Gay, etc... you have poly options.

2. It seems you can't just be bros with the homies, they're going to hit on you at some point and your only options are to oblige or be a complete dickhead.

3. Typical nu-western shit in yet another game.

 

LOL

I'll try to replay this later if the mod scene becomes decent.

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Yami X

[dagobaking]

6 hours ago, bjornk said:

I would rate this game as 7 out of 10, at best. My overall impression of this game is that it's just an okay game with a lot of woke, female empowerment, forced diversity, LGBT virtue signalling, spread across in a hypocritical way which is sometimes quite obnoxious.

 

Hm. I'm about as opposite of woke as it gets and I didn't feel like those options encroached on the experience. It kind of seemed like their (the video review you posted) issues mainly hinged on not liking ShadowHeart.

 

Also, I get the point from the video you linked that it's not realistic that there would be multiple races within races, etc. But, is that what people play fantasy games for? Perfect race simulation? To me, making a product that all real world consumers can feel like they are a part of is a bigger positive. Besides, consider the alternative, we need 10 separate BG series that each focus on one specific race? Something tells me that the reviewer would complain about that too.

 

8 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

This was your original point. You "bought it without understanding fully". Hence my point that the problem is with you and not Larian.

 

I hear you. You didn't have to be rude about it. But, I agree that I didn't understand their particular form of EA. If I did, I wouldn't have bought it then. But, I also don't think the onus for that falls 100% on me. The reason I didn't know more about the EA particulars was that I made the purchase with trust in the brand/series. It didn't cross my mind that a developer would make an EA that incomplete.

 

Lesson learned.

 

4 hours ago, MintBerryCrunch! said:

The Steam page during the early access had the same FAQ section as any EA game, and that section CLEARLY stated that the EA version will only include Act 1. It could not have possibly been any more obvious that you're not getting the full game.

 

OMG.

 

Which is it? The EA section was the same as every game? Or, THIS ONE had something specific about Act 1 in it?

 

Excuse me that I don't always study and research fine print about my game purchases. Let it be known from here on that dagobaking is an inferior game purchaser to MintBerryCrunch! and anyone else who wants to sign up.

 

3 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Just don't pay for EA? Evar.....

 

Yeah, that works. 

 

In most cases, from what I can tell, it's a money grab for unfinished crap that is subject to change and/or for the dev to get a bunch of whiny feedback that'll negatively influence how they design the game going forward. Just bad either way imo.

 

 

This. That's the lesson I took from it. As well as pre-purchases like FO76.

 

The only problem is that there are some EA games that I don't want to miss out on, like Rimworld...

Edited August 18, 2023 by dagobaking

[MintBerryCrunch!]

5 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

Which is it? The EA section was the same as every game? Or, THIS ONE had something specific about Act 1 in it?

 

 

The section is not the same for every game, it just answers the same questions that steam deems mandatory. i.e. how long will EA last, what is the state of the early access, why do you even need early access etc.

 

It's the section you go to to figure out the state of early access if you want to know what content you're going to get with early access. It's not "the fine print". It's specifically there to make it clear it a very bold and hard-to-miss as possible way to let you know the state of current and ongoing early access.

 

You can keep pressing this point, but you didn't do the bare minimum to figure out the state of early access of the game, before buying and being disappointed with the state of early access of the game. This is not on Larian, or even steam.

Edited August 18, 2023 by MintBerryCrunch!

[DDetrix]

10 hours ago, bjornk said:

This guy sounds like an alt-right conspiracy theorist, but he does point out a lot of valid points which I completely agree with.

 

He's a libertarian but everyone who doesn't support 100% of the corporate message is 'alt right' <insert ist>.  I'm sure pointing that out is a big no no so all hail big tech, and such, fellow global citizen; Just have a thing for the truth. I made my own face off of a nexus face.(Faces of Faerun mayrise) I'm not skilled at blender but >personally< I feel like it's better than the base.

 

[bjornk]

9 minutes ago, DDetrix said:

He's a libertarian but everyone who doesn't support 100% of the corporate message is 'alt right' <insert ist>.  I'm sure pointing that out is a big no no so all hail big tech, and such, fellow global citizen; Just have a thing for the truth.

 

Nah, he sounds like just another clueless, misguided American idiot grumbling about the so called "cultural marxism" conspiracy, "leftists this, leftists that".

 

[slizer40000]

Wondering how long it will take until a multi romance mod drops and a female body enhancer with physics is released to keep abreast in the modding scene.

 

I like how in BG2, or rather BGT, commenting out a couple rows in a text file lets you date everyone at once. There, the female adventuring party members became strong in body and mind by surmounting what lay ahead and not because of deus ex machina.

 

I find it really strange in recent media and games that any skilled adventurer could be depicted as less than fit because traveling and fighting with armor and weapons weighing half your body weight is physically very demanding. That leaves little chance for fat to accumulate especially if food is scarce.

 

For me the thrill of Infinity Engine games is that common sense and logic applies to the world to a degree.

 

Haven't played Larian's BG3 yet but it will have a hard time filling in the void left by Black Isle's unfinished Baldur's Gate 3 with the Bhaalspawn.

 

[bjornk]

I wonder if anybody here remembers this guy who lived in the Underdark... of another game...

 

 

 

Spoiler

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It is possible for the Princess to "enjoy" Rual'Thor's company twice... ?

 

 

A modern remake in BG3 would be cool.

[Grey Cloud]

44 minutes ago, bjornk said:

 

Nah, he sounds like just another clueless, misguided American idiot grumbling about the so called "cultural marxism" conspiracy, "leftists this, leftists that".

 

I groaned when the guy mentioned 'cultural marxism and leftists' but there again I don't really agree with the wiki articles take on it either. My understanding is that CM was a result of Marxists trying to understand why the European working class all flocked to the recruiting stations in 1914 rather than being about the German revolution of 1918-19.

I know Americans don't understand irony but there is a certain irony in that global consumer capitalism is destroying cultures at least as much as CM.

 

Personally I have more of a soft spot for the 'Friends of Red Jenny' in DA than anything in BG3.

[Grey Cloud]

5 minutes ago, bjornk said:

I wonder if anybody here remembers this guy who lived in the Underdark... of another game...

 

 

 

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A modern remake in BG3 would be cool.

Wow. I remember that mod. The first part was really good but I didn't bother with the second part as it went all Jeanne D'Arc (by a French guy IIRC). Can't say I recall the mindflayer though.

[bjornk]

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• Reactions the Princess receives from NPCs can differ depending on the type of clothes she wears at the time, if any.
• NPCs are aware of the Princess' body shape and in particular the size of her breasts, both of which are determined by her Constitution score.

 

Imagine, this was just a NWN mod made by one person... "BG3 is an anomaly! GoTY! Best game eva!"... MY ASS! ?

 

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by bjornk

[Darkpig]

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

I know Americans don't understand irony but there is a certain irony in that global consumer capitalism is destroying cultures at least as much as CM.

I much prefer the word customer over the word consumer. A customer is a person meanwhile consumer is either something that eats, someone who wastes or in terms of the word consumption a disease.

Come to think of it consumption would be a good name for certain CEOs.

[belegost]

I am elated that barrelmancy is still a valid strategy/build. 666/10, best game EVAH!

Edited August 19, 2023 by belegost

[espguy]

I liked baldurs gate 3 its a fun game and I like the forgotten realms, Ill probably do multiple runs eventually just finished my first. Honestly? What I really expect from it isnt official but its something I hope for (specially now that they announced modding tools will be released and considering what we had a close feature in divinity OS 2), Is modded custom modules and adventures. Its a good game but It has the potential to be amazing adventuring RPG plataform and as soon as modding tools are released I plan to start on a project I considered for neverwinter but gave up bc the community is dead.

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, belegost said:

I am elated that barrelmancy is still a valid strategy/build. 666/10, best game EVAH!

And don't forget "verticality". It's just a pity that nobody told the camera about it.