Baldurs gate 3?

[KoolHndLuke]

3 hours ago, Darkpig said:

AAA games

 

3 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Indie developers (Modders)

Edited August 17, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[bnub345]

4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Just out of interest:

 

Are using Steam or GOG version?

 

Are you using DX11 or Vulkan?

 

Which Hotfix are you on?

 

I'm on GOG, Vulkan (plus reshade) and Hotfix 1 and I haven't had any problems.

 

I'm planning on switching to DX11 tomorrow just to see if there is a difference in performance or graphics. I meant to do before I started using the reshade but forgot.

 

On steam, with the latest patch. I have to use the DX 11 renderer. When I try to use Vulkan, it gives me really bad screen tearing for some reason, despite using v-sync. Which is a shame since the performance on Vulkan seems a lot better. 

[dagobaking]

23 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Fucking LOL to other dev studios hating on this game because it's "too good" and "creates unrealistic expectation for future RPGs"- paraphrasing there. Now I HAVE to buy it! 

 

 

 

Excellent commentary, imo, in that video. Thank you for posting.

 

My only caveat is that he's suggesting that all "game devs" have this "over-delivery" idea based on just two specific devs. I suspect it's more that those two devs have just spent too much time hanging with the executive bros. Plenty of other devs who still align themselves more with the players.

 

As soon as games started making hollywood money, the same self-important, content-ignorant assholes moved in to take the reigns.

 

The idea that there is any such thing as "over-delivering" a game is an embarrassment to an entire society. And it's completely false. For proof, just look at the games made per year only 15-20 years ago. There were at least 10-20 each year that would be considered "over-delivered" by this new standard. The quality and excitement around games then was folds higher than now.

 

Baldur's Gate 3 is great. My only beef with it is that I didn't like the pre-release purchase thing they did. I bought it without understanding fully a long time back. So, I ended up playing light-weight versions of it half-way through once or twice. Now, that takes a lot of fun out of playing the full version all the way through.

 

/rant

Edited August 17, 2023 by dagobaking

[Darkpig]

 

1 hour ago, KoolHndLuke said:

4 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Indie developers (Modders)

I'm pretty sure Modders are more likely to make high definition bukkake. I'm starting to see the irony in my previous statement?

[27X]

3 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

 

 

As soon as games started making hollywood money, the same self-important, content-ignorant assholes moved in to take the reigns.

 

 

 

As usual categorically false.

 

Devs gave up the reigns in the 90s specifically to MAKE hollywood money, and the smart ones jumped ship and started forming their own LLC/private companies.

Edited August 17, 2023 by 27X

[Grey Cloud]

4 hours ago, dagobaking said:

Baldur's Gate 3 is great. My only beef with it is that I didn't like the pre-release purchase thing they did. I bought it without understanding fully a long time back. So, I ended up playing light-weight versions of it half-way through once or twice. Now, that takes a lot of fun out of playing the full version all the way through.

Your beef should be with yourself as by your own admission you didn't fully understand what EA was when you bought the game. And it sounds as if you still don't as EA only covered part of Act 1 and some of that has been changed for the full release.

[Grey Cloud]

5 hours ago, bnub345 said:

 

On steam, with the latest patch. I have to use the DX 11 renderer. When I try to use Vulkan, it gives me really bad screen tearing for some reason, despite using v-sync. Which is a shame since the performance on Vulkan seems a lot better. 

I have V-Synch off as I have and AMD CPU and my monitor supports Freesynch.

 

I tried with DX11 and no reshade last night for a few hours and didn't experience any problems (while doing the Goblin Camp). I'll be setting up the reshade shortly.

[Grey Cloud]

8 hours ago, belegost said:

 

I miss THAC0. Very much.

 

I like Forgotten Realms, but I'm still salty Wizards killed Planescape ...and Dragonlance ...and Ravenloft ...and MOST OF ALL - Dark Sun.

I'm still embarrassed about how long it took me to wrap my head around THAC0. ?

 

DnD rules have gone the way of much else - dumbed down for the masses.

[belegost]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

I'm still embarrassed about how long it took me to wrap my head around THAC0

 But... it's really very simple.

I don't know, maybe there's something in the original English text that makes it convoluted. You're not the first native speaker I've seen say it. The official translation of the rulebook I had (and still have) explained them really well. Yes, the concept is strange, but the rules behind it are kindergarten-grade in complexity.

[Grey Cloud]

36 minutes ago, belegost said:

 But... it's really very simple.

I don't know, maybe there's something in the original English text that makes it convoluted. You're not the first native speaker I've seen say it. The official translation of the rulebook I had (and still have) explained them really well. Yes, the concept is strange, but the rules behind it are kindergarten-grade in complexity.

I didn't have rule book, I just had BG2 or IWD2. It certainly makes it simpler to understand once you know that THAC0 is an acronym. ?

[belegost]

3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

IWD2

Doesn't IWD2 use new rules?

[Grey Cloud]

13 minutes ago, belegost said:

Doesn't IWD2 use new rules?

No idea, I haven't played it for probably more than 10 years. BG2 and IWD2 were my intro to DND  - I can't remember which was first.

[belegost]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

No idea, I haven't played it for probably more than 10 years. BG2 and IWD2 were my intro to DND  - I can't remember which was first.

I had to google it, IWD2 does use 3rd edition rules, which has no THAC0. BG2 on the other hand still operates on AD&D 2nd Ed.

[dagobaking]

10 hours ago, 27X said:

 

As usual categorically false.

 

Devs gave up the reigns in the 90s specifically to MAKE hollywood money, and the smart ones jumped ship and started forming their own LLC/private companies.

 

Haha. Ok. Lets examine this on a very relevant case:

 

Who is Robert A. Altman? Who is Harry E. Sloan? Did he or did he not come from MGM?

 

How about Les Moonves? A big video game guy? Or did he come from CBS?

 

Robert Trump? Terry McAuliffe? George J. Mitchell? Screenwriter Dean Devlin? Jon Feltheimer from Lions Gate?

 

Is the USC School of Cinematic Arts more closely tied to Hollywood money or video games?

 

SBS Broadcasting and Providence Equity Partners. A real brain-trust of game developers?

 

9 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Your beef should be with yourself as by your own admission you didn't fully understand what EA was when you bought the game. And it sounds as if you still don't as EA only covered part of Act 1 and some of that has been changed for the full release.

 

It was reasonable that I didn't understand what they meant by EA because many EA games are WAY further along than they were. There were no obvious warnings saying "the story itself is incomplete in this release." They easily could have had the entire story but with fewer characters or other assets. I'm not a mind reader.

 

The rest of your comment is just nonsensical. But, thank you for your feedback!

Edited August 17, 2023 by dagobaking

[KoolHndLuke]

1 hour ago, User39042 said:

They made all the female faces and bodies ugly as fuck as to "not objectify women"

Give the community a decent editor and them bitches will be cheesecake, fapworthy in no time. Or did you forget how godawful fugly characters in vanilla Beth games were? 

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, User39042 said:

Meh, they went woke. They made all the female faces and bodies ugly as fuck as to "not objectify women". Frankly, I wish they left the clothes option on, as I don't want to see flabby 3's and 4's naked. Believe me, I won't be objectifying any of those 3d polys with a 10 foot pole.

Would you care to tell us what the hell you are talking about?

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

It was reasonable that I didn't understand what they meant by EA because many EA games are WAY further along than they were. There were no obvious warnings saying "the story itself is incomplete in this release." They easily could have had the entire story but with fewer characters or other assets. I'm not a mind reader.

 

The rest of your comment is just nonsensical. But, thank you for your feedback!

I managed to understand what EA involved and didn't involve as did thousands of others. There was a clearly stated explanation of what EA would entail. Even if there wasn't then it is still down to you for signing up for something you weren't clear about.

 

What part of my comment did you find nonsensical? Please highlight it so that I may make it clearer.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Grey Cloud

[dagobaking]

1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said:

I managed to understand what EA involved and didn't involve as did thousands of others. There was a clearly stated explanation of what EA would entail. Even if they didn't then it is still down to you for signing up for something you weren't clear about.

 

What part of my comment did you find nonsensical? Please highlight it so that I may make it clearer.

 

I disagree. As I already pointed out, plenty of EA games are not that incomplete. So, it's not unreasonable to conclude that a release as big as BG3 would at least be in the same ballpark. Also, buying a video game on Steam, for a lot of people, is a casual process. The whole system is designed to make purchases quick and easy. So, I don't really buy the "you should have read the fine print" angle.

 

The nonsensical part of your comment was when you were speculating about my understanding of EA on the basis that... they chose to release with only Act 1 finished? Makes no sense.

[dagobaking]

1 hour ago, User39042 said:

Meh, they went woke. They made all the female faces and bodies ugly as fuck as to "not objectify women". Frankly, I wish they left the clothes option on, as I don't want to see flabby 3's and 4's naked. Believe me, I won't be objectifying any of those 3d polys with a 10 foot pole.

 

Hm. I guess tastes just vary a lot. I found the ladies in the game attractive.

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, dagobaking said:

As I already pointed out, plenty of EA games are not that incomplete

We are not talking about EA in general, we are talking about your comments regarding BG3 EA.

 

2 hours ago, dagobaking said:

The nonsensical part of your comment was when you were speculating about my understanding of EA on the basis that... they chose to release with only Act 1 finished? Makes no sense.

It made sense in the context of your prior comment: "So, I ended up playing light-weight versions of it half-way through once or twice. Now, that takes a lot of fun out of playing the full version all the way through".

EA constituted approximately two-thirds of Act 1 and there are three acts to the full game so saying that takes a lot of the fun out of playing the full game makes no sense. You are complaining that EA wasn't as much of the game as you thought it was going to be and you are complaining that the lesser amount of the full game that EA turned out to be spoiled your enjoyment of the full game. And you only played EA "half-way through once or twice".

[dagobaking]

34 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

We are not talking about EA in general, we are talking about your comments regarding BG3 EA.

 

It made sense in the context of your prior comment: "So, I ended up playing light-weight versions of it half-way through once or twice. Now, that takes a lot of fun out of playing the full version all the way through".

EA constituted approximately two-thirds of Act 1 and there are three acts to the full game so saying that takes a lot of the fun out of playing the full game makes no sense. You are complaining that EA wasn't as much of the game as you thought it was going to be and you are complaining that the lesser amount of the full game that EA turned out to be spoiled your enjoyment of the full game. And you only played EA "half-way through once or twice".

 

Haha. This is turning ridiculous.

 

The general EA experience is relevant to my experience of BG3 EA because it set reasonable expectations.

 

Yes. I am saying that playing part of the game previously makes playing the whole thing through later less enjoyable. What is confusing or even controversial about that?

 

I'm not saying that I should get my money back. Not saying I don't like the game. Not saying that anyone has to agree with me. I just think that if their versions in EA are going to be incomplete spoilers, they should just not do EA at all. You know, like the vast majority of video games released in history.

 

It's a small, innocuous opinion and you're coming at me as if I insulted your family or something.

 

"Take it easy!"

 

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by dagobaking

[Sladen2019]

Do all of the female NPCs in the game have the same body ? Except of course for height and skin tones. Are there body physics ?

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

This is turning ridiculous.

It is because you cannot justify your original comments and are now just waffling.

 

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

The general EA experience is relevant to my experience of BG3 EA because it set reasonable expectations.

To you it may have done but what Larian put out about their EA set the expectations for everyone else. Which takes us back to my original criticism of your original comments.

 

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

Yes. I am saying that playing part of the game previously makes playing the whole thing through later less enjoyable. What is confusing or even controversial about that?

Because you want to have your cake and eat it. One the one hand you complain that EA wasn't as extensive as you thought it would be and on the other hand you complain that playing EA detracted from the pleasure of playing the full game. Would more EA content somehow detracted less from enjoyment of the full game?

Apart from anything else did it not occur to you that playing EA would detract from your enjoyment of the full release however much content was in the EA version?

 

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

I just think that if their versions in EA are going to be incomplete spoilers, they should just not do EA at all.

That statement makes absolutely no sense. How Larian or any other company release an EA version of a game that is not an 'incomplete spoiler'? Again we return to my original point - the mistake is yours. Nobody forced you to buy the EA version. I mean, what the hell did you think you were buying?

 

There are people on the Larian forum who signed up for EA on day 1 and have played through it several dozen times. Many of these people are planning their builds and play-through styles for play-throughs way down the line. EA didn't spoil their enjoyment because they knew what they were getting into.

 

Personally I didn't bother with EA until it had largely passed through the really buggy phase and was on to tweaking gameplay mechanics etc. I played through all of EA once (modded) and part way about three times (some with some without mods). I'm currently on my first full release play and just about at the end of the EA material and I'm playing with mods.

My low opinion of Larian has nothing to do with BG3 EA.

 

Like they say: caveat emptor.

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by Grey Cloud

[belegost]

5 hours ago, User39042 said:

Meh, they went woke. They made all the female faces and bodies ugly as fuck as to "not objectify women". Frankly, I wish they left the clothes option on, as I don't want to see flabby 3's and 4's naked. Believe me, I won't be objectifying any of those 3d polys with a 10 foot pole.

 

[FauxFurry]

15 minutes ago, Sladen2019 said:

Do all of the female NPCs in the game have the same body ? Except of course for height and skin tones. Are there body physics ?

A few races have a standard and a 'strong' variant. Other than that, it is pretty much the usual for games of that sort. It just barely moves a notch above Dragon Age Origins in that regard. 

There is no Fallout 4 style triangle slider or direct pinch and stretch customization like one would find in the Sims 4 in BG3.