WaxenFigure Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 Are you going to make it API compatible or are we going to end up with two Arousal mods because some of the existing mods will probably never get updated. Edit: Same question as asked a minute ago. I must be too slow at the keyboard .
Antono Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 Will you be adopting Redneck's other mods that utilize Aroused then? No, we are not planning to adopt his others mods at this time. Aroused is being adopted because it is very much needed for the APPS framework. Even if Aroused did not exist, we would still be developing Arousal! Also, I am not even sure that "adopting" is an accurate description for our involvement with Aroused, as we will be actually rebuilding the mod from scratch.
DocClox Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 And support for the existing Arousal API? There's a lot of mods will need rewrites if that changes.
iamnuff Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Question, how exactly do you select an NPC to alter with the mod options? (making clothes as naked, for example) Currently, theres a pannel for my on PC, and one for what seems to be a random NPC that i have interacted with in the last hour.
Antono Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 @Quisling, WaxenFigure, DocClox Regarding the old API from Aroused, the plan is to create higher-level wrapper functions that will allow older mods to access the new framework the way they do right now. Also, the basic building blocks (e.g. timerate and exposure) will be preserved in the new version. So, older mods should work they way they used to or, in the worst case, require some (non-drastic) update to make them compatible again or to fine tune their effects.
traveller_phi Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Question, how exactly do you select an NPC to alter with the mod options? (making clothes as naked, for example) Currently, theres a pannel for my on PC, and one for what seems to be a random NPC that i have interacted with in the last hour. Use the aroused check on the NPC you want to alter (I think it is 'N' by default) and after you see their arousal level you can go into the MCM menu and they will be the NPC on the right hand side.
sen4mi Posted July 1, 2014 Posted July 1, 2014 It would be exactly this way if were was no sex regulators like Church, or civil laws, or simply powerful enough friends of potential victims in the real Medieval age Mind you, once in a history you may be put to death, if they had believing you commit such a crime as masturbation? Maybe you need to add some counterparts to arousal, like presence of guards somewhere near ? Also some factions can have higher resistance to arousal. A kind of "keeping thoughts clean" behaviour. In the human history, sexuality always walk "with hand in hand" with a fear of punishment. EDITED: Or sometimes on occasion suppression can give opposite effect, coz here is no pleasure higher then one forbidden A discussion of "structure of society" issues probably belongs in another thread, but my life experiences suggest that the edited addition in this quote contains significantly more truth than the opening sentence of the previous paragraph. But there's a lot going on and words tend to be inadequate... I'll also note that I am thinking about building a plugin for this mod, once it is ready, which implements some arousal mechanics (which will necessarily implement nowhere near the complexity of real life arousal but which will somewhat match what I currently would like to play). I am not promising anything, I do not know what my time and motivation will look like when this mod is ready, but that is my current plan...
tryguy Posted July 1, 2014 Posted July 1, 2014 Has any thought gone into have girls become wet when sufficiently aroused? This could be done the same way cum effects are applied, and perhaps if a girl is raped when she's not wet, she might suffer damage from it for as long as lube isn't there. Would that be possible in the new version?
germanicus Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 There is a major bug in this mod. I have it for a long time, but decided to report it since I read that someone is willing to rebuild this mod. Explanation: Although my PC's arousal is high as his exposure, after having 4-5 consensual sex in a row, his arousal drops to "0" and he often gets a message: "I lost all my desire". It's annoying since I have to rise his arousal again and again.
circ Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 I think that's intentional? I mean having sex is supposed to lower arousal, or how did you think it's lowered?
germanicus Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 No, having sex should increase arousal. That was before. My PC's sexed as maniacs and the arousal was always high, 100%, but since the mod hasn't been updated to 1.50+ version, arousal is rapidly dropping.
DocClox Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 I dunno, the current behavior is about what I'd expect it to be: horny -> have sex -> less horny If it worked the other way around, then no one would ever get to sleep at night. (You know the difference between "light" and "hard?" Well, it turns out you can get to sleep with a light on...)
threeddd33 Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Notice: The APPS team (Heromaster, CG! and myself) are working on SexLab Aroused. As: 1. Redneck2x has disappeared 2. He explicitly gave permission "do what ever you want with the mod" 3. Aroused is a valuable dependency for many mods we therefore decided to adopt this project. The new version, tentatively called Arousal, will be based on a completely different code to provide more functionality and impose less of a burden on the papyrus engine. The mod will be an integral part of the upcoming APPS Slavery Framework but will also be available separately for mods unrelated to slavery that want to make use of Arousal. I am the main developer for Arousal in the team, although this is a collaborative project and Heromaster and CG! offer valuable input. The main reason we are announcing this is to notify our fellow modders in order to avoid having many people/teams all working on Aroused without knowing that others have adopted it as well. So, if another modder or team is already working on this project, please let us know and we could either contribute, collaborate or, indeed, if the other team has progressed enough, halt our development and completely delegate this project to our fellow modders. Last I heard, Ashal was also considering adopting it and moving it into Sexlab Framework. That may have changed though. Edit: It really seems like it should be a standalone or part of the Sex Framework as opposed to one of the many Slavery Frameworks. JMHO.
germanicus Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 I dunno, the current behavior is about what I'd expect it to be: horny -> have sex -> less horny If it worked the other way around, then no one would ever get to sleep at night. (You know the difference between "light" and "hard?" Well, it turns out you can get to sleep with a light on...) In that case, this contradicts with some other mods that requires high arousal such as RP, TDF's prostitution mod, and some others. If I can't keep a high arousal so that I can play other mods, then, for me, thus behaving of arousal is pointless and/or requiring high arousal by the mods, when can't keep it, is pointless too. As I said: it wasn't the case before SL 1.50+ Also, it is very weird that my PC with high arousal having a message: "I need to have a sex", but when he/she does have a sex, the arousal drops to "0". No one can't assure me that it is normal behaving of the mod. The evidence that the mod isn't fully cooperative with SL 1.50+ is this: I doesn't remember setting I set for gender preferences (set to both), but rather always returning to its default setting when being reset to "0"
sen4mi Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 In that case, this contradicts with some other mods that requires high arousal such as RP, TDF's prostitution mod, and some others. If I can't keep a high arousal so that I can play other mods, then, for me, thus behaving of arousal is pointless and/or requiring high arousal by the mods, when can't keep it, is pointless too. As I said: it wasn't the case before SL 1.50+ Do you have Arousal locked in the puppet master setting in MCM? If that does not behave how you like, I imagine you should write a plugin?
germanicus Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Yes, I do, but it still changes. It was set to 78, after one sex scene, it fall to 1. Write a plugin? Not that smart. I want readers to understand this: I'm not criticizing anybody. I would rather uninstall the mod if I were dissatisfied. All I'm saying, that the mod worked well and by the time, since not been upgraded, doesn't work well. That is my point.
DocClox Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 If it falls despite being locked, then that's a bug. I don't think anyone would dispute that And if the level was locked, I'd expect it to behave as you describe. [edit] That's "I'd expect it to behave as you remember it behaving", just to be clear
germanicus Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Glad we came to agreement DocClox. My clumsy English always puts me in trouble. I had to keep up high arousal for my PC since she is a prostitute and she needs high arousal level in few other mods. Therefore, I locked her arousal level. Since it drastically drop from almost 100 to "0" after saying "I need to have sex" and resetting all values and setting to default, I had to conclude that something is wrong.
Budroi Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 There is a major bug in this mod. I have it for a long time, but decided to report it since I read that someone is willing to rebuild this mod. Explanation: Although my PC's arousal is high as his exposure, after having 4-5 consensual sex in a row, his arousal drops to "0" and he often gets a message: "I lost all my desire". It's annoying since I have to rise his arousal again and again. that's not a bug it is supposed to happen. after sex your character becomes satisfied and you stop being aroused until it builds back up again. Like real people in real life. arousal locked being resetting is a bug though. to prove that the arousal going down is functioning as intended get PSQ. and arousal patch. set menu to auto transform when arousal is high. with that setting you wont be able to revert to human until you drop your arousal (by having sex). i have my settings as auto transform after 75 arousal. and auto revert at any number below 5. and if functions exactly as I expected it too. when my succubus is aroused then auto transform when satisfied then auto revert.
mmoblitz Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 That is the way I thought it was supposed to work as well. Arousal builds back up over time and can be influenced by certain settings, but once you have sex, it goes back down. That is the way it's always worked in my game.
germanicus Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 OK, thanks all for explanation. I appreciate that, but, still have persisted on: The mod is reset to "0" even when arousal is locked, There is still "bug" in: "I need to have a sex" and when she had sex, she immediately got "I lost my desire". This can't be right since she didn't have a sex for hours and sometimes almost for a whole day before that line appeared. And I'm talking about consensual sex, not aggressive/raping. It looks like that some animations in consensual sex in SL 1.50+ are interpreted as aggressive/raping which causing her arousal to drop to "0". Please, listen to me, I know what I'm talking about. This was happening to my PC only after frequent raping of NPC's or being frequently raped. But NEVER in consensual sex and especially not after "I need to have a sex" in SL 1.39.
traveller_phi Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 After reading the thread, seems some people are still talking at cross purposes regarding germanicus' issue. Normal arousal behavior: having sex lowers arousal (desire for sex being satisfied). In my experience (SexLab 1.39 days) arousal usually drops to 0, but certain conditions could change that. germanicus situation: Arousal is locked in MCM. This means arousal should not change ever. So if arousal goes up or down in any circumstance, there is a bug. So properly stated, the bug is that a locked arousal value is not staying locked. The rest is just describing the conditions when the arousal level unlocked itself. Open question: Germanicus, something about how you wrote the last post implied that you might have gotten the "I lost my desire" message and lost your arousal at a time when you didn't even have sex. That would point to a whole new bug. Final note: It has been stated that the new aroused will be a complete rewrite of the code. This means all the old bugs will be replaced with shiny new bugs. Still good to be aware that this is something to test for once the new code is written.
germanicus Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Quote"Open question: Germanicus, something about how you wrote the last post implied that you might have gotten the "I lost my desire" message and lost your arousal at a time when you didn't even have sex. That would point to a whole new bug. " "and lost your arousal at a time when you didn't even have sex" - Exactly. Only one sex after many hours and the line " I need to have sex" immediately crushing her arousal to "0" with following line: " I lost my desire". Reading Redneck's first page, this can only happen if PC frequently rape NPC or have been raped in a row several times by NPC.
Budroi Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 OK, thanks all for explanation. I appreciate that, but, still have persisted on: The mod is reset to "0" even when arousal is locked, There is still "bug" in: "I need to have a sex" and when she had sex, she immediately got "I lost my desire". This can't be right since she didn't have a sex for hours and sometimes almost for a whole day before that line appeared. And I'm talking about consensual sex, not aggressive/raping. It looks like that some animations in consensual sex in SL 1.50+ are interpreted as aggressive/raping which causing her arousal to drop to "0". Please, listen to me, I know what I'm talking about. This was happening to my PC only after frequent raping of NPC's or being frequently raped. But NEVER in consensual sex and especially not after "I need to have a sex". "The mod is reset to "0" even when arousal is locked" <-- definitely bug. As for the rest it could be bugging for you but in my game everything functions as I expect it to. Any sex reduces arousal. it seems that consensual reduces it at a lower rate than aggressive. Aggressive = straight drop to 0 Consensual = a few acts are required to completely satisfy my succubus. I'm not trying to say your wrong or that its not a bug, this is just how I expect it to function. If that is not how it is supposed to function then I am fortunate that the bug makes the mod function like I want it too. Plus I have enough mods with arousal hooks that I rarely stay below 50 arousal for longer than 4 in game hours. (hormones libido = 100 + sexlab stories mage standing stone arousal)
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