SexLab Defeat

[DonQuiWho]

30 minutes ago, AndrewLRG said:

 

Could you manually put DefeatUtil2.pex into Data/Scripts if its not there already? As far as I understand MO2 is unpacking archives somewhere else. I don't understand why can't Defeat find it. You can always delete script it if it does not work.

 

Right.  I've done that.

 

Meantime, Defeat is doing the basic 'cant continue fighting' thing OK, but after the first round is still crashing my game - more of a direct CTD now - that looks like it might be related to the BFW mod, and I'm thinking that I either reinstall it or remove it.  It does't seem worth the trouble if it's at the root of this.  Interestingly DCL shows an on hit message too periodically, so something on BFW might be stuck

 

I've attached the latest log.  Lines 3956/3957 may be where things start to go astray? 

 

On that score, I added DCL into this game at about Save 1500 or so, and I just popped it at the end of the load order so as not to mess up anything else.  Does Load Order matter for the purposes of your script?  And is there anything I might have inadvertently 'switched off' in DCL that you rely on?  I turned off almost everything but its most basic functions ...

 

Last thoughts.  Is making this an esl flagged item for SSE maybe causing grief somehow?  I'm clutching at straws because @Herowynne seems to have it all working fine

 

Not free this evening so this may be the last contribution for today

 

But thanks vm for your persistence

Papyrus.0.log

[Hex Bolt]

56 minutes ago, donkeywho said:

But they die even if I select the 'Set Essential on Death' option

For what it's worth, in my own experience (with the base version of Defeat) the PC was not reliably treated as essential if I used the sub-options, like the "Stun" conditions.  If I ignore those options and only enable "On Bleedout", it works correctly every time.

[DonQuiWho]

Just now, HexBolt8 said:

For what it's worth, in my own experience (with the base version of Defeat) the PC was not reliably treated as essential if I used the sub-options, like the "Stun" conditions.  If I ignore those options and only enable "On Bleedout", it works correctly every time.

 

Thanks.  FWIW, I have done that religiously for years when using bane's version, but I got as desperate as try everything this time in the hope of getting even the basic SSE 5.3.5 to function properly.  Bottom line from all I've done so far seems to confirm that you're spot on  ?

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, donkeywho said:

Is making this an esl flagged item for SSE maybe causing grief somehow?

I don’t think the ESL flag would have any effect on the issues that you are seeing.

[Skrrtboombruh69]

after dialogue with the aggressor he/ they get agroed again and kill me. Also nothing happens when I am the aggressor

[DonQuiWho]

15 hours ago, donkeywho said:

 

Right.  I've done that.

 

Meantime, Defeat is doing the basic 'cant continue fighting' thing OK, but after the first round is still crashing my game - more of a direct CTD now - that looks like it might be related to the BFW mod, and I'm thinking that I either reinstall it or remove it.  It does't seem worth the trouble if it's at the root of this.  Interestingly DCL shows an on hit message too periodically, so something on BFW might be stuck

 

I've attached the latest log.  Lines 3956/3957 may be where things start to go astray? 

 

On that score, I added DCL into this game at about Save 1500 or so, and I just popped it at the end of the load order so as not to mess up anything else.  Does Load Order matter for the purposes of your script?  And is there anything I might have inadvertently 'switched off' in DCL that you rely on?  I turned off almost everything but its most basic functions ...

 

Last thoughts.  Is making this an esl flagged item for SSE maybe causing grief somehow?  I'm clutching at straws because @Herowynne seems to have it all working fine

 

Not free this evening so this may be the last contribution for today

 

But thanks vm for your persistence

Papyrus.0.log 577.66 kB · 1 download

 @AndrewLRG

 

Hi

 

I'm truly sorry but I'm going to have to move on from this one.  I managed to get some more tests done last night - finished at 03.00 ? - but after 4 days of trying to get this to work in my game, I really can get no further. 

 

I don't think for a moment that there is really anything wrong with your patch.  I probably just have one, or more, mods that conflict, or there is something really goes wrong with the load order in place but, despite taking out the ones that looked most obvious contenders for game spoilers, I still cannot get Defeat to function properly, no matter how I fiddle with a range of mod settings.  Whatever I do, it quickly gets to the point where the Defeat event terminates, the PC dies, and the game restarts at last save

 

So I'm going to go back to where I added it to the present game and see if I can reverse the changes!  Hope so, or that's a few weeks gameplay down the tubes ... ?

 

I'll certainly try this again in a later, less mod heavy, game, as others have got it working properly, and the great new functionality seems to work fine for others. 

 

So best wishes with where you take this from here, and if you ever do try to patch the Bane version, , even if that were only to modify the DD additions so that it added DD5.0+ functional devices instead of the non working DD4.3 ones,  I'll be first in to try that out

 

So thanks again and I'm truly sorry that I couldn't get further or provide you with better help

 

Best wishes ....

 

EDIT: I will leave all the tested saves in place just in case you come across something else that might help, and then see if I can do anything about trying this further.  MO2's Profile duplication isn't quite as neat and tidy as MO1's was, but I could always try

Edited November 10, 2021 by donkeywho

[Bane Master]

Hi All,

 

I am working on porting the fixes from the Bane Defeat Version to the original 5.3.5 SE version. Whilst doing this I think I have finally discovered and fixed the root cause of defeated followers dropping out of scenes and starting combat again.

 

My current test version seems to be more reliable and once completed it would only take a few minor changes to Dynamic defeat's overwriting scripts to carry all the fixes over (most of the fixes are not affected by Dynamic Defeat but there are a couple that are).

 

So, anyone interested in Beta testing Defeat SSE Bane 5.3.6? If you are drop me a PM please.

[DonQuiWho]

35 minutes ago, Bane Master said:

Hi All,

 

I am working on porting the fixes from the Bane Defeat Version to the original 5.3.5 SE version. Whilst doing this I think I have finally discovered and fixed the root cause of defeated followers dropping out of scenes and starting combat again.

 

My current test version seems to be more reliable and once completed it would only take a few minor changes to Dynamic defeat's overwriting scripts to carry all the fixes over (most of the fixes are not affected by Dynamic Defeat but there are a couple that are).

 

So, anyone interested in Beta testing Defeat SSE Bane 5.3.6? If you are drop me a PM please.

 

Sounds great.  Subject to personal availability, count me in

[DonQuiWho]

@AndrewLRG

 

I had another go with this while also trying to test Bane's new version.  (don't worry, I;m not trying to use both together!)

 

Can I ask a quick question about your patch pls?  Can you use it and Death Alternative (DAYMOYL) together when handling the Defeat KnockDown event??  Or, if you are using DAYMOYL, will your patch's restraint additions NOT work?   

 

My understanding is that DAYMOYL handles restraints and then deals with the outcomes if Defeat sends to PC to blackout. 

 

So, in terms of understanding what your patch aims to do

 

- does your patch add restraints at the end of Defeat's defeat cycle, when the PC is in a TRAUMA state from which it can recover, with restraints added, for another combat round?  

 

- does having the Knockdown handled by DAYMOYL preclude restraint addition, even if the player is put into TRAUMA by defeat, and recovers to fight again?

 

On another point, what parts of Cursed Loot need to be active for your patch to work?  As you are probably guessing, I still haven't seen any restraints added, but I think my game/setup are probably a bit squiff.

 

Reason for asking is that Bane's new version seems to work fine with DAYMOYL - insofar as I've been able to test it on what is a fairly flaky game otherwise 

 

TIA for any advice you can give

[AndrewLRG]

2 hours ago, donkeywho said:

I had another go with this while also trying to test Bane's new version.  (don't worry, I;m not trying to use both together!)

 

Can I ask a quick question about your patch pls?  Can you use it and Death Alternative (DAYMOYL) together when handling the Defeat KnockDown event??  Or, if you are using DAYMOYL, will your patch's restraint additions NOT work?   

 

My understanding is that DAYMOYL handles restraints and then deals with the outcomes if Defeat sends to PC to blackout.

 

I haven't used DAYMOYL in several years, but I think it should be compatible with my patch and it should be able to run random post-assault event from Defeat. Like you said, DAYMOYL can trigger Defeats KnockDown Event which in return will start one of Defeat post-assault events (Left for Death, Simple Slavery, Cursed Loot Devices, etc.). On the other hand, you can use Dynamic Defeat and make it trigger one of DAYMOYL events. Unfortunately, I don't know whether DAYMOYL equips Devious Devices by itself.

 

2 hours ago, donkeywho said:

- does your patch add restraints at the end of Defeat's defeat cycle, when the PC is in a TRAUMA state from which it can recover, with restraints added, for another combat round? 

 

Patch equips new Devices after all sexual assaults, while player is in trauma state. It's one of so called Post-assault events, like being teleported to an inn or Simple Slavery, but instead player will equip several Devices.

 

2 hours ago, donkeywho said:

- does having the Knockdown handled by DAYMOYL preclude restraint addition, even if the player is put into TRAUMA by defeat, and recovers to fight again?

 

Well, it depends on DAYMOYL. If DAYMOYL successfully calls on Defeat to handle Post-assault events then Defeat might equip Devices.

 

2 hours ago, donkeywho said:

On another point, what parts of Cursed Loot need to be active for your patch to work?  As you are probably guessing, I still haven't seen any restraints added, but I think my game/setup are probably a bit squiff.

 

Patch is using Cursed Loots internal functions, so it does not matter what parts of Cursed Loot are enabled. You can turn off everything Cursed Loot has, but as long as "Deviously Cursed Loot.esp" is enabled in your load order Devices will still be equipped. The issue you are having is not related to Cursed Loot and its settings, or DAYMOYL. LIke I said previously, your game can't locate or use "DefeatUtil2" - script that I added, which is acting like a bridge between Defeat and Devious Devices / Cursed Loot. I'm trying to find some information about what might be causing it, some special restrictions or conditions I'm not aware of.

 

[Zeorik]

1 hour ago, AndrewLRG said:

 

I haven't used DAYMOYL in several years, but I think it should be compatible with my patch and it should be able to run random post-assault event from Defeat. Like you said, DAYMOYL can trigger Defeats KnockDown Event which in return will start one of Defeat post-assault events (Left for Death, Simple Slavery, Cursed Loot Devices, etc.). On the other hand, you can use Dynamic Defeat and make it trigger one of DAYMOYL events. Unfortunately, I don't know whether DAYMOYL equips Devious Devices by itself.

 

 

Patch equips new Devices after all sexual assaults, while player is in trauma state. It's one of so called Post-assault events, like being teleported to an inn or Simple Slavery, but instead player will equip several Devices.

 

 

Well, it depends on DAYMOYL. If DAYMOYL successfully calls on Defeat to handle Post-assault events then Defeat might equip Devices.

 

 

Patch is using Cursed Loots internal functions, so it does not matter what parts of Cursed Loot are enabled. You can turn off everything Cursed Loot has, but as long as "Deviously Cursed Loot.esp" is enabled in your load order Devices will still be equipped. The issue you are having is not related to Cursed Loot and its settings, or DAYMOYL. LIke I said previously, your game can't locate or use "DefeatUtil2" - script that I added, which is acting like a bridge between Defeat and Devious Devices / Cursed Loot. I'm trying to find some information about what might be causing it, some special restrictions or conditions I'm not aware of.

 

I use Death resurrection (It's a 'continuation' of Death Alternative... mainly just a code revamp/ fix) and 'most' of your patch works. I've not experienced any device equipping though, unfortunately. I think Death Alternative bypassed the Trauma state entirely. That said, being downed as a Werewolf seems to be completely broken... that may just be a by-product of Death Alternative though.

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, AndrewLRG said:

 

I haven't used DAYMOYL in several years, but I think it should be compatible with my patch and it should be able to run random post-assault event from Defeat. Like you said, DAYMOYL can trigger Defeats KnockDown Event which in return will start one of Defeat post-assault events (Left for Death, Simple Slavery, Cursed Loot Devices, etc.). On the other hand, you can use Dynamic Defeat and make it trigger one of DAYMOYL events. Unfortunately, I don't know whether DAYMOYL equips Devious Devices by itself.

 

 

Patch equips new Devices after all sexual assaults, while player is in trauma state. It's one of so called Post-assault events, like being teleported to an inn or Simple Slavery, but instead player will equip several Devices.

 

 

Well, it depends on DAYMOYL. If DAYMOYL successfully calls on Defeat to handle Post-assault events then Defeat might equip Devices.

 

 

Patch is using Cursed Loots internal functions, so it does not matter what parts of Cursed Loot are enabled. You can turn off everything Cursed Loot has, but as long as "Deviously Cursed Loot.esp" is enabled in your load order Devices will still be equipped. The issue you are having is not related to Cursed Loot and its settings, or DAYMOYL. LIke I said previously, your game can't locate or use "DefeatUtil2" - script that I added, which is acting like a bridge between Defeat and Devious Devices / Cursed Loot. I'm trying to find some information about what might be causing it, some special restrictions or conditions I'm not aware of.

 

 

Thanks for the prompt reply

 

DAYMOYL does show some of the Items listed under TRAUMA as events with a chance of occurring after the DAYMOYL healt pool reduces to zero and the PC goes into Blackout.  Those do not incluse an 'Add DD Restraints' option, which is probably not too surprising given your comments ?

 

So far, tho, none of the TRAUMA events listed in the patch seem to occur at all, either with or without DAYMOYL handling an 'essential' defeat, in that after recovery, and before/without blackout, the PC just seems to straight back into combat with the bad boys and gals again, with none of the Trauma events taking place

 

Could there maybe be an issue with the number of attackers involved?  I've been testing this in Fort Greymoor, and there are often 6 or 7 bandits lined up to ;have their turn, singly or in multiples.  Does the sheer number of attackers and repeat attacks, up to the limit applicable - 2 x attackers - maybe have some limiting effect? 

 

I'll need to try this out again, without DAYMOYL in the game - although my first set of tests omitted it -  and also with a different group of 'baddies', in case any of my mods increasing bandit numbers are causing this

 

If anyone else using this successfully has any ideas about what, say, I might be doing wrong(!), please let me know

 

 

[AndrewLRG]

1 hour ago, donkeywho said:

 

DAYMOYL does show some of the Items listed under TRAUMA as events with a chance of occurring after the DAYMOYL healt pool reduces to zero and the PC goes into Blackout.  Those do not incluse an 'Add DD Restraints' option, which is probably not too surprising given your comments ?

 

 

I've just checked DAYMOYL. It has BleedOut Event Setting and Defeat in one of two options. Do those BleedOut events work? DAYMOYL should trigger BleedOut Event and it will trigger Defeat Post-assault Trauma events. At least In theory.

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by AndrewLRG

[Bane Master]

8 hours ago, AndrewLRG said:

 

I've just checked DAYMOYL. It has BleedOut Event Setting and Defeat in one of two options. Do those BleedOut events work? DAYMOYL should trigger BleedOut Event and it will trigger Defeat Post-assault Trauma events. At least In theory.

 

The events do work - the only thing to be wary of is having defeat's own events set in such a way that they can trigger at the same time as the DAYMOYL bleedout event - that way chaos awaits!  ?

[AndrewLRG]

4 hours ago, Bane Master said:

The events do work - the only thing to be wary of is having defeat's own events set in such a way that they can trigger at the same time as the DAYMOYL bleedout event - that way chaos awaits!  ?

 

I've tried to trigger DAYMOYL bleedout event and got stuck in a loop. According to DAYMOYL script "daymoyl_MonitorPlayerScript" Player must recover from bleedout (play GetUpEnd animation) and only then DAYMOYL will trigger its bleedout event... Its really confusing.

[Bane Master]

29 minutes ago, AndrewLRG said:

 

I've tried to trigger DAYMOYL bleedout event and got stuck in a loop. According to DAYMOYL script "daymoyl_MonitorPlayerScript" Player must recover from bleedout (play GetUpEnd animation) and only then DAYMOYL will trigger its bleedout event... Its really confusing.

Once the bleedout damage bar reaches 0 the Onblackout event is triggered - during bleedout DAYMOYL checks the player & agressor who sent them into bleedout (+/- other stuff if mods specify) against the trigger condition in each mods daymoyl_QuestTemplate script (which  can be renamed whatever the mod author want as they are called from a formlist via  daymoyl_PlayerValidateQuestAlias.psc).

 

Defeat's DA Bleedout Trigger Script is called defeatdadefeated.psc

Edited November 12, 2021 by Bane Master

[AndrewLRG]

25 minutes ago, Bane Master said:

Once the bleedout damage bar reaches 0 the Onblackout event is triggered - during bleedout DAYMOYL checks the player & agressor who sent them into bleedout (+/- other stuff if mods specify) against the trigger condition in each mods daymoyl_QuestTemplate script (which  can be renamed whatever the mod author want as they are called from a formlist via  daymoyl_PlayerValidateQuestAlias.psc).

 

Defeat's DA Bleedout Trigger Script is called defeatdadefeated.psc

 

I thought that "defeatdadefeated.psc" is DA Blackout Events and "defeatdatrigger.psc" - DA Bleedout Event.

[DonQuiWho]

@AndrewLRG @Bane Master

 

If you two don't mind, I'll defer testing both your mods/patches until this is as clear as I understand it too. 

 

Otherwise, I feel I might just be randomly stabbing at all the Settings, whilst my PC gets all the fun of being 'stabbed' over & over again to the enjoyment of no one else ... ?

 

[Bane Master]

2 hours ago, AndrewLRG said:

 

I thought that "defeatdadefeated.psc" is DA Blackout Events and "defeatdatrigger.psc" - DA Bleedout Event.

Yep - you are absolutely correct, I had them back to front, that'll teach me not to type in haste!

 

The mechanism is as described though - I just transposed the script names,

 

@donkeywho All this shouldn't affect testing of the updated Defeat version. I have used with DAYMOYL and it worked in my test environment so it should work for you too ?

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, Bane Master said:

@donkeywho All this shouldn't affect testing of the updated Defeat version. I have used with DAYMOYL and it worked in my test environment so it should work for you too ?

 

I shall brace myself for some more punishment then, possibly tomorrow ?

 

[DonQuiWho]

@AndrewLRG  I'm still trying out Bane's new version and so far it's looking good

 

Took time out to have a go with your patch, as converted by @Herowynne to SSE, on basic 5.3.5 SSE

 

So far it's looking OK, PC against a gang of baddies - the bandit camp just off the road out of Helgen Cave - and DDs get applied at the end of the Defeat event.  Note that this test has been limited just to addition, and not (removal, add back, + anything else added). 

 

One point is that on defeat by creatures, eg the wolves at Riverwood, they seem to be very talented in that they too will add DD restraints to the PC.  In the case in point, they managed to add Pony Boots, a chastity belt and plugs, no less.  I assume that you can insert some check to avoid that ...? ?

 

As far as going into battle with followers is concerned - tested at the little cave below Dragonsreach - things seem to go a bit squiff at points.  The PC has a habit of dying in the middle of the Sexlab Event set up. 

 

I couldn't work out why the PC and camera both froze - the assailant starting the business OK, but with the animation well askew - until I saw the entries in the log that said that the PC was by that point 'dead'.  Meantime, the Followers would seem get on with business, being jumped on when first down and then recovering to slaughter the bad ppl.  But as the camera was stuffed, I could never quite see what they were really doing, eg were they experiencing repeat knockdowns, assaults, and recoveries? 

 

Attached is a log, covering a number of encounters, (EDIT: All encounters are for Combat WITH Followers), the name of which points to the relevant lines for just one of the death events.  I haven't had time to look at the rest in any detail

 

I think that @Bane Master found some glitch in Defeats follower component, so if he sees anything similar here to that, he might want to chip in

 

Whateever, hope this helps

 

 

 

Papyrus.0 - Copy (6) 2518 knockdown 2578 player dead.log

Edited November 15, 2021 by donkeywho

[Rooker]

On 11/12/2021 at 9:38 AM, AndrewLRG said:

 

I thought that "defeatdadefeated.psc" is DA Blackout Events and "defeatdatrigger.psc" - DA Bleedout Event.

AndrewLRG, I'm having a weird bug after installing your patch that I've never seen before with this mod. I have a follower (Mirai, off Nexus) who keeps disappearing. I finally figured out she's being teleported to the site of where she was defeated earlier. She ran into a mob of Forsworn chasing after me and they knocked her down and I saw the message that she was being assaulted. I'd been stripped of weapons and armor at the time, so I just kept going. She caught up later, but she keeps disappearing back to that spot. I teleport her back to me, she follows fine, but disappears after we start moving again.

 

I've stopped all sexlab scenes, used the "Clean Defeat" option, resurrected her, dismissed and rehired, killed all the forsworn involved, but she keeps teleporting back. It's been hours since that scene ran and I'm halfway across the map now.

/edit This is on Skyrim LE. I don't use Skyrim SE.

Edited November 16, 2021 by Rooker

[AndrewLRG]

3 hours ago, Rooker said:

AndrewLRG, I'm having a weird bug after installing your patch that I've never seen before with this mod. I have a follower (Mirai, off Nexus) who keeps disappearing. I finally figured out she's being teleported to the site of where she was defeated earlier. She ran into a mob of Forsworn chasing after me and they knocked her down and I saw the message that she was being assaulted. I'd been stripped of weapons and armor at the time, so I just kept going. She caught up later, but she keeps disappearing back to that spot. I teleport her back to me, she follows fine, but disappears after we start moving again.

 

My patch does not change anything follower related, so I'm not sure that it's doing it.

[Shrublord26]

I'm using the sse version and can't invite animals in. I can surrender in combat and initiate necrophilia but I can't invite them in. Something is clearly happening because my weapons will shift and the animal will move around weirdly when prompted but it doesn't initiate a scene.

[zevazdeoz]

I have a CTD everytime I click the Toggle animation tag button for any type of animations in this mod, I tried multiple solutions I found with a google search but nothing worked for me.

In some post someone mentioned using a "fixed version" but didn't say especifically wich one, less where to find it. Someone could provide a hint or solution to me? thanks!