So.. Starfield...

[bjornk]

 

Todd has finally returned from his cryostasis. ?

[katrina.balanchuk]

On 6/15/2022 at 12:37 AM, Reigor said:

Huge Potential.

 

First thing, for roleplayers, it offers an adult game in a civilized hightech setting.

Sex in space. Microgravity is a thing so not sure how sex in zero g would work out for animators. 

High tech sex toys, machines, and bondage.

Alternative means of punishment for crimes against society or a faction than imprisonment, fines, or death. 

Aurora made to have sexual effects with some sort of arousal framework.

Erotic cybernetic implants

Sex with various alien life and robots

 

Quest wise there could be a pirate group that specialized in human trafficking.

Sex mod shops on Neon that make illegal modifications and rope people into prostitution.

On the lighter side, what would dating be like 300 years in the future?

 

 

 

 

 

I find a Sci-Fi setting has about the eroticism of a cold shower.

 

IMHO a gritty post apoc like Fallout 4 or a medieval+magic type setting like skyrim had  a lot more to offer there.

BUT not all is lost.

With 1000 planets I am sure one of them could turnout to have medieval level of tech (but w/o the magic since Starfield is hard Sci-Fi)

And another could be stuck in the woes of  a post-apoc...

[KoolHndLuke]

49 minutes ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

but w/o the magic since Starfield is hard Sci-Fi

Not called "spells" in the CK, but they do pretty much the same thing in function so somebody very much could implement a magic system if they wanted. I thought about doing this in FO4 (probably as others have too), but it just wouldn't fit I think. Still, there are some magic/spell mods out there for FO4.

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Varithina]

3 hours ago, bjornk said:

 

Even someone's bathwater makes money, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an awful product, made with minimal effort and a good example of horrendous marketing practices that people throw their money at.

 

True, but the only thing that really matters is that it makes money, and by that criteria it is doing ok, players are still playing and buying things again saying it is doing ok, otherwise there would be more waits to get into servers as they reduced them due to costs, and seasons would be running longer as it took more time to prepare for the next one, etc etc etc.

 

Sure the game could do with a major amount of bug fixes for odd and annoying things and quests that are still bugged to hell even years after they first became bugged, but this is bethesda chances of them doing anything like that are pretty low, they may well sort some bugs out now and then, and then break things they already fixed a few patches back.

 

At the end of the day who is going to say that Starfield is going to be any better?  Sure it looks ok, but until a large number of people start playing and doing things their testers did not even think of, we are not going to know just how buggy this game actually is, and are they going to fix those bugs quickly or not, we simply do not at present know, all we know is the hype they have put out, pretty much the exact thing the did with 76.

[DocClox]

37 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Not called "spells" in the CK, but they do pretty much the same thing in function so somebody very much could implement a magic system if they wanted. I thought about doing this in FO4 (probably as others have too), but it just wouldn't fit I think. Still, there are some magic/spell mods out there for FO4.

 

 

If you look at the end of the Direct, you see the player making a gesture and pushing three attackers back so they hang motionless, suspended in the air. There's definitely going to be some sort of "space magic"

 

Not clear exactly what form yet, all we've seen is literally scene, but there's speculation that it'll work like Skyrim shouts, with artifact sites acting as word walls. it could also be linked to a cybernetic implant (since those would seem to be a thing) or a psi  power developed using a neuroamp (also a thing).

[Reigor]

7 hours ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

 

I find a Sci-Fi setting has about the eroticism of a cold shower.

 

Which is fair, we all have our likes and disliked, especially when it comes to stuff the individual finds attractive/hot. I'm often turned off with post-apocalyptic. Everything is destroyed, dirty, and ugggh.

 

That said, you are right there could be planets in Starfield modded for a low tech civilization, something post apocalyptic (maybe Earth could be used for this), or something more wild like a tentacle or bug planet. 

 

7 hours ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

but w/o the magic since Starfield is hard Sci-F

 

Any sufficiently advanced technology is the equivalent to magic. Like @DocClox said above there is some sort of strange/unusual abilities the character can possess in Starfield. 

 

But what really matters is modding the game to match one's vision of the type of game they want to play.

 

I myself want more transhuman elements, races like cyborgs, genetically modified humans, bioroids, robots, uplifted animals, stuff from GURPS Transhuman Space and Eclipse Phase TTRPGs. I think dating and relationships will evolve with the advent of personal AI assistants. The human Exodus provides an opportunity in the Starfield narrative for isolated ships, stations, and ground settlements to develop that have different societies, and so on.

 

 

 

 

    

[DocClox]

On 7/11/2023 at 5:08 AM, katrina.balanchuk said:

I find a Sci-Fi setting has about the eroticism of a cold shower.

 

I dunno... SF runs the gamut from Barbarella to the mandatory promiscuity of Brave New World, to settings like Torei. You've got tentacle monsters and depraved computers like in Demon Seed and there's decades of pulp SF covers with two fisted adventurers rescuing damsels in scanty spacesuits from a fate worse than death. (Check out some Wally Wood's SF strips some time). Deja Thoris is technically SF, as is Gor.

 

It's possibly you've just not been looking at the right SF

Edited July 12, 2023 by DocClox

[Varithina]

2 hours ago, DocClox said:

 

I dunno... SF runs the gamut from Barbarella to the mandatory promiscuity of brave New World, to settings like Torei. You've got tentacle monsters and depraved computers like in Demon Seed and there's decades of pulp SF covers with two fisted adventurers rescuing damsels in scanty spacesuits from a fate worse than death. (Check out some Wally Wood's SF strips some time). Deja Thoris is technically SF, as is Gor.

 

It's possibly you've just not been looking at the right SF

 

Ack, Gor, some of the earlier books were ok, but later ones, meh, they pretty much devolved to poorly written BDSM porn, with a very very thin plot wrapped around them.

Edited July 11, 2023 by Varithina

[ADM Ntek]

3 hours ago, DocClox said:

 

I dunno... SF runs the gamut from Barbarella to the mandatory promiscuity of brave New World, to settings like Torei. You've got tentacle monsters and depraved computers like in Demon Seed and there's decades of pulp SF covers with two fisted adventurers rescuing damsels in scanty spacesuits from a fate worse than death. (Check out some Wally Wood's SF strips some time). Deja Thoris is technically SF, as is Gor.

 

It's possibly you've just not been looking at the right SF

and lets not forget subverse lol. technically even Wild LIfe is Sci-fi. it's just a setting you can do whatever you want with it. personally i think there are few settings that give you this level of freedom do do whatever you want. one of the most knows things about captain Kirk is him banging alien chicks.

[Wandering_Mania]

13 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Not called "spells" in the CK, but they do pretty much the same thing in function so somebody very much could implement a magic system if they wanted.

Naa, it's the 'Mass Effect'. It's Biological mutations caused by exposure to 'Element Zero'. It's Bionics.

[Varithina]

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Naa, it's the 'Mass Effect'. It's Biological mutations caused by exposure to 'Element Zero'. It's Bionics.

 

Or PSI or what ever you want to call it, but definitely not magic, as that is a fantasy thing and not sci-fi.

[nemocdt]

To start with let me say i am looking forward to Startfield and have been for years BUT

Let's be honest....................... Starfield is gonna suck, Judging by Bethesda's past releases and history of over hyping their product's a month after the hype dies down and the world speedrun record is 8 min's we will all know that it is a large empty linear story built around a settlement builder / space ship distraction.

What we are really looking forward to is taking sexlab into space and beyond, I doubt most of us here really give a flying fuck about SF we just want a newer engine to fuck with.

 

 

[DocClox]

14 hours ago, Varithina said:

Ack, Gor, some of the earlier books were ok, but later ones, meh, they pretty much devolved to poorly written BDSM porn, with a very very thin plot wrapped around them.

 

Oh yeah. The first one was OK in a John Carter Of Mars Fanfic sort of way. The next couple were a bit meh as the author struggled to find the right tone. They only really kicked off with Priest Kings, after which there was a run of around ten books that were generally OK, before the fetish content started crowding out the story.

 

I remember trying to read one of the later ones and getting very frustrated because I was actually interested in the military and political situation around the Siege of Ar and every time something was in danger of happening everything would get put on hold while we got an entire chapter of a mother, naked and in chains, explaining to her equally naked daughter how she was a natural slave and just needed to get used to being the plaything of men. Which might not have been so bad if we hadn't had about four chapters of the same thing already.

 

Suffice it to say, I gave up on the books. Still, some damn good stuff in the earlier ones.

[DocClox]

2 hours ago, nemocdt said:

Let's be honest....................... Starfield is gonna suck

 

How about we revisit this question in fifty-five days or so?

[Kraven12]

I am going to go out on the vine here and say as far as for any new news, we gonna have to wait until after Quakecon. A month from now. Which sucks. 

[bjornk]

I'd wager this game is gonna be sixteen times™ more boring than Skyrim.

[Kraven12]

1 hour ago, bjornk said:

I'd wager this game is gonna be sixteen times™ more boring than Skyrim.

 

 

Well yeah. It is based on exploration. And unless you like to jet around the galaxy discovering planets, there is 50+hrs of quest and side missions that is about it until the expansion "Shattered Universe". That is about it.  Lot less Kirk and whole bunch of Captain Archer. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Kraven12

[Wandering_Mania]

6 hours ago, Kraven12 said:

Lot less Kirk and whole bunch of Captain Archer.

I guess we could forget about the "To boldly do where no one has gone before" part like in TNG; Where they often 'boldly go where someone else already is'.

 

Personally, I'm just wondering if they can recapture the workings/feelings of the old 'trade system' from Freelancer.

[espguy]

 

6 hours ago, Kraven12 said:

 

 

Well yeah. It is based on exploration. And unless you like to jet around the galaxy discovering planets, there is 50+hrs of quest and side missions that is about it until the expansion "Shattered Universe". That is about it.  Lot less Kirk and whole bunch of Captain Archer. 

Honestly, seeing what Bethesda have been saying recently about wanting their games to be more like skyrim in the sense that people still plays after over10 years and loving mods I think they deliberately gave a lot of empty space and planets on purpose. That way they can make dlc use formerly empty systems and have modders create their own factions and civilizations on empty planets, I doubt they ever  planned to fill all the empty space by themselves or leave it empty forever. Also they seem to have been inspired by No mans sky in the exploration front, Planets have a few interesting spots that you visit and then hop off to another planets and it actually works.

 

Lets be honest though Starfield main potential is to what modders can do rather than what bethesda will do, they need to make a fun game with interesting worldbuilding and mechanics to inspire modders to make it truly glorious. Bethesda makes fun games, modders make those games masterpieces.

[Kraven12]

7 hours ago, espguy said:

 

 I think they deliberately gave a lot of empty space and planets on purpose. That way they can make dlc use formerly empty systems and have modders create their own factions and civilizations on empty planets, 

 

I came to that same conclusion. If I had to harbor a guess it is for all the modders who will be changing their games into their favorite sci fi franchise the reason so many planets are blank. But Todd Howard in an interview did say he wanted life on planets to be rare. I think he said there is like out of the 2k planets their is about 100 that can sustain life. Thus enter the modders to bump up those numbers.  Think of the time sink trying to find those 100 planets. 

[ThyraUnn]

It's Bethesda, Exploring Planets is Optional, I probably will be doing more Pirating and running drugs, I didn't like no man's sky, It was really boring to me but I know some people do like it, and it's there if you want.

 

All the Systems and stuff is there, You choose what you want. I feel with a 40 hour Story and Many hours of Side quests both handmade and "Radiant" There will be plenty to do without touching the Lifeless Empty Planets.

[isee]

Bethesda has been making the same style of game for decades now. It isn't ever really about the story or combat. Those are serviceable at best, combat can be hilariously fun to break at times, or subpar at worst. (I'm looking at you Morrowind!)

 

What they really try to give you most times is a world to explore and a lot of dumb things to do in it.

 

Nobody talks about the characters involved in the quest, but everyone remembers the first time they nuked Megaton. Or jumped 200 feet into the sky in Morrowind before dying on impact with the ground. Or the Whodunit quest in Oblivion where you convince an entire manor full of people to kill each other.

 

The scenario writing has always been their strong suit. Give me that, some decent combat mechanics, 'stupid' physics and some mods? I'll be happy. Probably more then I should be when I enter into a space station with xenomorph looking aliens hunting me and the gravity and lighting flickering on and off.

Edited July 14, 2023 by isee

[Wandering_Mania]

3 hours ago, isee said:

Nobody talks about the characters involved in the quest, but everyone remembers the first time they nuked Megaton. Or jumped 200 feet into the sky in Morrowind before dying on impact with the ground. Or the Whodunit quest in Oblivion where you convince an entire manor full of people to kill each other.

Only now did I remember the 'Clue' quest in Oblivion. Up until now it was nothing but the memory of 'Dive Rock' and the "THIS IS SPARTA!!" moment with the adoring fan. Like so:

 

[ThyraUnn]

They say there are going to be less bugs than any other Bethesda title and I kinda have a melancholy feel about it.

 

I think @isee is mostly right. We think of bad characters like Nazeem or followers we liked alot. But not really any main ones.

 

But the glitches? You never forget. In Oblivion I thought I found a unique enemy and after stalking around it and shooting it and nothing happening I finally walked up to it and it was just a Horse butt! Sticking out of the ground!

 

Or in Skyrim I was Sneaking through a manor for the Thieves guild and got Jump scared by a random NPC that started talking to me through a wall.

 

I am all for less Gameplay glitches like Unfinishable quests or broken Items but I do hope to find some silliness out there in the vast coldness of space.

[Wandering_Mania]

8 hours ago, ThyraUnn said:

I am all for less Gameplay glitches like Unfinishable quests or broken Items but I do hope to find some silliness out there in the vast coldness of space.

So what are you saying? You don't want to have a game that is like:

 

"Starfield... The final frontier. Those are the boring empty hours, of everything working properly, and no random 'meme worthy' content. Continuing missions, and exploring new worlds, with nothing out of the ordinary happening. Seeking out new cities, and to boldly find what everyone else has seen before."

 

Well... I guess that's one perspective. But I would rather have a game that "Just works", rather than one that "Just works". I mean even in that 'Starfield Direct' ad, I saw some instances of 'The Red Menace' popping up in that 'base building' part. And some would classify that as a bug as well. And one could just bet, that they will have that 'Settlement/Ship object limitation' again; And if/when removed, their engine struggling to run properly, or completely corrupting the save game, because you have too many objects to load in.

 

Yeah, do keep in mind that this is Bugthesda we're talking about. They make 'sandboxes', then restrict the hell out of what, and how much, can be done in them; While mods set out to remove, and fix, those limitations.