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Talesien

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5 hours ago, HardRaine said:

I cleaned up lots of face mismatch issues with this small mod, linked below.  Over the years I've gotten into lots of issues with especially sex-oriented vampire NPCs, and other mods which introduce NPCs incorrectly.  Tried lots of different things with mixed results.  After installing this mod, I no longer have any issues with my complex MO2 profiles, as this thing just takes care of it effortlessly.  I load it really late in my load orders, and definitely after any mod which introduces new, or overhauled NPCs.

 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/42441

 

It's works like magic.  Only different...

PS  grats on releasing the streamlined Dark Desires Club!  In compliance with the Golden Rule, am currently working out my profile design, and am expecting to get my toons into 50 shades of trouble at the club, starting in the next day or two.  singing; *Bad girls!  Talkin' 'bout bad girls.  beep beep!*

Yes, Face Discoloration Fix is a nifty mod, but pay close attention to the remarks. It is not magic and indeed is pretty limited in cases like this (actually it did nothing, which is the better of two outcomes, the alternative is that the colors are ok, but the faces are wrong, worst case you get a 'potato face'). That mod serves a purpose, but really it is better to do a proper conflict resolution (if you don't feel confident doing that manually or if it's just to much work, Easy NPC or NPC Plugin Chooser are viable alternatives. Of course there might still be the occasional broken NPC the requires manual fixing, but really that should be done by the mod author, not the user. (Sadly in a few cases it's up to the user anyway.)
A good overview of what Face Discoloration Fix can do and what the price is can be found here: https://github.com/focustense/easymod/wiki/Alternatives#face-discoloration-fix-aka-light-blackface

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VirginMarie

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7 hours ago, HardRaine said:

I cleaned up lots of face mismatch issues with this small mod, linked below.  Over the years I've gotten into lots of issues with especially sex-oriented vampire NPCs, and other mods which introduce NPCs incorrectly.  Tried lots of different things with mixed results.  After installing this mod, I no longer have any issues with my complex MO2 profiles, as this thing just takes care of it effortlessly.  I load it really late in my load orders, and definitely after any mod which introduces new, or overhauled NPCs.

 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/42441

 

It's works like magic.  Only different...

PS  grats on releasing the streamlined Dark Desires Club!  In compliance with the Golden Rule, am currently working out my profile design, and am expecting to get my toons into 50 shades of trouble at the club, starting in the next day or two.  singing; *Bad girls!  Talkin' 'bout bad girls.  beep beep!*

 

I found this mod when researching the problem.

Don't know if it would help, I would expect not, but the problem is solved without help, once I release the update today.

  • DDC is using 6 custom-physics-less bodies for females. Gives variety in bodies you see, and also makes 50+ NPCs in a single cell possible
    • If NPCs have physics, the graphics lag in the club consistently suspends all scripts and they eventually stack dump... death for the mod, &  your save
  • The custom bodies are not known to exist by any texture mod. When you load a texture mod, it changes standard head texture files, but not the custom body textures, so now... different texture on face, but not on the body... poof... mismatch

With the next release, this mod goes back to being immune to Texture Mods, like it was before. Texture mods do not touch the NPCs in DDC. Just like Bodyslide can't touch them. There's "cons" to this, but the "pros" are very clearly needed... no physics so that the club can exist at all, and a very nice variety of body shapes.

 

One thing also, concerning about that Face Discoloration Fix... copied from is author...

preprocessed FaceGen would load in about 0.2ms per NPC, while generating it could take roughly 30-70ms

If you have this mod, it will not be able to improve anything for the club. There will be no problems once I release.

... but also... if its "doing work" on all these 50 NPCs in the single cell, it could slow things down. Don't know if that will happen or not.

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6guigui3

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15 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 

I found this mod when researching the problem.

Don't know if it would help, I would expect not, but the problem is solved without help, once I release the update today.

  • DDC is using 6 custom-physics-less bodies for females. Gives variety in bodies you see, and also makes 50+ NPCs in a single cell possible
    • If NPCs have physics, the graphics lag in the club consistently suspends all scripts and they eventually stack dump... death for the mod, &  your save
  • The custom bodies are not known to exist by any texture mod. When you load a texture mod, it changes standard head texture files, but not the custom body textures, so now... different texture on face, but not on the body... poof... mismatch

With the next release, this mod goes back to being immune to Texture Mods, like it was before. Texture mods do not touch the NPCs in DDC. Just like Bodyslide can't touch them. There's "cons" to this, but the "pros" are very clearly needed... no physics so that the club can exist at all, and a very nice variety of body shapes.

 

One thing also, concerning about that Face Discoloration Fix... copied from is author...

preprocessed FaceGen would load in about 0.2ms per NPC, while generating it could take roughly 30-70ms

If you have this mod, it will not be able to improve anything for the club. There will be no problems once I release.

... but also... if its "doing work" on all these 50 NPCs in the single cell, it could slow things down. Don't know if that will happen or not.

 

I tried messing around with body / head textures like you suggested before but it didn't work out so I'm glad you found the solution, thanks.

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Zenneto

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Where is the dark desires club?

I can't find it anywhere. Is there supposed to be a quest or something that gets me to the location? If yes, then where is that?

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Talesien

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I found this mod when researching the problem.

Don't know if it would help, I would expect not, but the problem is solved without help, once I release the update today.

It didn't work back when DarkDesire had to fix the problem the first time, it also does not work with the couple new NPC's he introduced that again showed that problem, like:

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Note this is from the last version DardDesire put out, I've not yet decided if I want to risk my saves by installing your update. Might still be worth checking her and see if the problem persists. (Unless she is one of the five NPC's you mentioned.)

 

1 hour ago, VirginMarie said:

Just like Bodyslide can't touch them. There's "cons" to this, but the "pros" are very clearly needed... no physics so that the club can exist at all, and a very nice variety of body shapes.

Actually, Autobody (and I supposed OBody) very much can. It's just not a good result, thus I excluded all NPC in a DDC Faction from getting a bodymorph assigned by Autody. I suggest anyone running that mod does the same. Just include the following lines in your morph.ini:
  

ALL|Female|_ddclubClientFaction=- Zeroed Sliders -
ALL|Female|_ddclubSlaveFaction=- Zeroed Sliders -
ALL|Female|_ddclubStaffFaction=- Zeroed Sliders -

 

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VirginMarie

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26 minutes ago, Talesien said:

pic of Anya

 

Really. This is fixed now, when I release. :D 

 

As I've mentioned, 5 NPCs were busted in the last release. 2 Male, so they were easy. 3 female. One of them is Mistress, one of them is Anya.

I've not been able to find one of the damn males (males are unreliable IRL too :P ), to verify, but the other 4 are for sure working with Diamond Textures, used as my test.

 

They don't have the original author's custom face beautification, just my simpler version, but now they don't get screwed by Texture Mods. Its fixed. 

 

 

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Autobody (and I supposed OBody)

 

Install these mods if you want to suspend your scripts and stack dump when in the club :P God I hope they just DON'T work.

If you do get them to work, they will bring physics and kill the club and your save.

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VirginMarie

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50 minutes ago, Zenneto said:

Where is the dark desires club?

I can't find it anywhere. Is there supposed to be a quest or something that gets me to the location? If yes, then where is that?

 

Copy/pasted from main page...

 

Getting Started

  1. Once in game, use step 4 from above
  2. When starting a new game, make a save, & load it. DDC actors will not interact with you, until you've loaded a save
  3. Entrance to the club is in Whiterun's Hall of the Dead... through the front door, to the left
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VirginMarie

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6 minutes ago, shiagwen said:

LE  please

 

copy/pasted from main page...

 

LE Version? LE cannot handle graphics for 50+ NPCs in a single cell. Attempted... tried hard... not going to be an LE version

 

 

copy/pasted from Change Log ....

 

The club's main cell has 50+ NPCs, many of them animating and executing AI packages. We are hitting limits of Skyrim graphics rendering. We are beyond these limits for LE which is why we can't support LE. To manage this, the original author created 6 "fixed" bodies for female NPCs, with no physics. This allows for variety in bodies. Physics is disabled, otherwise, we exceed the limits of Skyrim SE graphics rendering.

 

VirginMarie

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15 minutes ago, lisien said:

when I accept a search the sex scene doesn't jump, what's the problem?

 

Start here. This is copied from the main page. If this does not help you, you will need to explain exactly when the problem occurs.

 

 

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  1. IMPORTANT: Once in game... If you can't answer YES to the following, there's an installation mistake...

 

 

totenemu

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Hello.
In the "Submissive Pet" quest to submit to the Mistress, I am asked to kneel, but I don't know how to do it.
If I stand still, the quest will fail.
What should I do?

VirginMarie

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21 minutes ago, totenemu said:

Hello.
In the "Submissive Pet" quest to submit to the Mistress, I am asked to kneel, but I don't know how to do it.
If I stand still, the quest will fail.
What should I do?

 

Mistress will never ask you to kneel. I think you mean crawl.

 

The crawl is forced by the collar she puts on. You do nothing to make that happen.

  • If you are not crawling this means you wear a toy that is preventing the collar from forcing you to crawl, or maybe you wear another collar that can't come off.  Or maybe you turned off crawl in the MCM.
    • In these cases, you wont crawl, but if you move around in front of her, and she will be happy.
totenemu

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4 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 

愛人はあなたにひざまずくように頼むことは決してありません。クロールのことだと思います。

 

彼女が付けた首輪によってクロールが強制されます。あなたはそれを実現するために何もしません。

  • ハイハイをしていない場合は、首輪がクロールを強制するのを防ぐおもちゃを着用しているか、外れない別の首輪を着用していることを意味します. または、MCM でクロールをオフにした可能性があります。
    • このような場合は這うことはありませんが、彼女の前で動き回ると彼女は幸せになります.

Thanks for your reply.
I see the tip about getting on all fours by the collar, but the animation does not play.
MCM is also enabled.
Does this mean that the animation is missing?

VirginMarie

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18 minutes ago, totenemu said:

Does this mean that the animation is missing?

 

possibly.

Crawl is a Toys&Love feature.

But it can be other things. I'd not worry about it much, if the love scenes are playing fine.

Talesien

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7 hours ago, qq936686999 said:

boobs physics of pole dancer don't work

Look a few posts up, it's mentioned several times. Physics on the girls in the club can't work because it's not there. The girls in the club have physics disabled bodies, otherwise Skyrim could not handle the numbers of NPC's in one cell.

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VirginMarie

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@Everyone - Looking for feedback - Future Plans

 

New Generated Voice & how they are delivered in next release...

  • Currently the existing generated voices are for the main actors only
  • The existing generated voices have been heavily customized by the original author, so a re-gen of all, should not replace what exists. I won't let that happen. The originals will stay, and the gap will be filled in with the new
  • The new generation has been done by Dr. John Zoidberg who's experienced with the tools and has done this for our other mods in the Toys Family.

I'm thinking of delivering this as follows and wondering about opinions on this:

  1. No Voice version - complete mod is packaged, including BSA, but with no voice files - this might be useful if English is not your language, so you have the option for no voice. Or maybe you just don't like voices.
  2. Main Actors Have Voices version - The mod as it delivers now, with voices only for main actors
  3. All Actors Have Voices replacer - This would simply replace the BSA that comes with 1 or 2.  Install either 1 or 2, and add this on top.

Other Option

Instead of the above, get the 3 options done via Fomod (the automated installer doing choices thing). The reason I've never been a fan of Fomod is that it forces you to download everything, even when you are not using it all.... so bigger download, more space consumed.

 

What Should I Prioritize Next?

Since V2.02 was released, no issues have been reported after 2.7k downloads here, and 1.2k on nexus (been on Nexus for less time). So there's no problems? Must be something just not being reported. Let me know please if any. I think it's very stable but not perfect. Here's my own list...

 

Potential Issues

  1. Some types of Heels on NPCS break scene alignment... I need to either nullify their height adjust or remove them temporarily. The reason it's not already doing this automatically is that the original author has done something special here, but not looked into yet. I had thought its rare, but I'm finding its common with the Working Girls out in the towns.
  2. Test and potentially adjust for male player
  3. Test and potentially adjust for those who like to use Toys&Love - MCM - Love Tab - Require Gender Match. This might already work fine, I just don't know
  4. Optimize some code... I don't like that there's an active script on every NPC and would like to use a different method here. The scripts are only active when you are in a cell that contains that NPC, so that's good, but I think this can work without that method

Ideas for New Features - The Low Hanging Fruit First

  1. The Sex Board - these are quests partly completed by the original author. So I'd finish. They are quests for when you finish working in the club... they send you out in the world to take care of some need... example...The Jarl of Whiterun wants to shut down the club.. your mission is to get him to change his mind... you might need to use your mouth or something.
  2. New ways to go see the boss, without being a bad, disobedient girl or boy (so we don't waste this content). Yes we also want new content here, but that's not low hanging fruit... so further out
  3. Travelling Bondage Shop - A feature is likely being made within Toys&Love, where any mod using Toys, can request a visit of the Travelling Bondage Shop. The Shop is a Pony Cart, pulled by a Slave Girl, and comes with a creepy merchant who of course sells toys and other important things like sugar, skooma, and keys. The keys and some other items are constantly out of supply and there's other ways you can "earn" his hard-to-get wares. You might even need to pull his cart for him, or maybe provide demonstrations to customers. The club could request that he randomly make appearances in the club. He'd likely find the club rich with customers!
  4. Other Ideas?
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vjnmrf

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26 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

@Everyone - Looking for feedback - Future Plans

 

New Generated Voice & how they are delivered in next release...

  1. Other Ideas?

 

As one movie hero said * There is no need to hurry, we must return a healthy person to society*
In my opinion, the proposed is more than enough for the next update. But when all this works without failures, you can move on.
Sad examples * more, more, more * are more than enough... Yes, at least the same long-dead RSE.

VirginMarie

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16 minutes ago, vjnmrf said:

As one movie hero said * There is no need to hurry, we must return a healthy person to society*
In my opinion, the proposed is more than enough for the next update. But when all this works without failures, you can move on.
Sad examples * more, more, more * are more than enough... Yes, at least the same long-dead RSE.

 

I take it that you are saying... don't bloat the mod?

If so, I agree that mods do tend to bloat. Bloated mods become worse instead of better. It's important to simplify, fine tune, and make a mod bug free, but these are never as fun for the mod author so you see that less.

 

The next release won't include everything listed and could be a very minor. We are going to continue to simplify and fine tune. I am always weary of bloating a mod.

 

What the heck is RSE?...  Relationships and Sex Education? :P Yes this is what DDC is here for... it's for science & education! Or maybe you mean Requiem Survival Experience.

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