SamanthaTraynor Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) It´s only a Question, when i play Cards by the 1st Spot with the Dark Girl, it´s almost too easy to Win Money, i wanted to make some Debts, but instead i won thousands of Gold. Would be nice, if this would be much harder. Thx ? Edited October 5, 2022 by SamanthaTraynor
Miauzi Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 17 hours ago, VirginMarie said: @vjnmrf & @Miauzi Betrachten Sie mich als die Herrin ... Und ich werde 20 Gehorsamspunkte andocken, wenn Sie sich nicht benehmen! vjnmrf hat zu 100% recht, wenn er sagt, dass die Maltexturen vom ursprünglichen Autor technisch falsch implementiert wurden. Das ist eine Selbstverständlichkeit, keine Frage Ich vermute jedoch, dass dies Absicht war. Wenn ich es tun würde, würde ich auch versuchen, das Bild aufzuhellen, und ich würde wetten, dass dies der Grund für die unkonventionelle Verwendung der Texturen ist Wir alle haben völlig unterschiedliche Ansichten darüber, was besser aussieht, für irgendetwas im Leben, und man kann nie alle glücklich machen Sagte Nuff. Hier gibt es nichts mehr zu sehen, also gehen Sie weiter, es sei denn, Sie möchten mir eine Tracht Prügel verpassen. Bitte? Scheint, ich bin ein bisschen ein Schalter. I beg your pardon it wasn't my intention to escalate things problems from my real life had unconsciously "crept" into the discussion that had no place there I am very sorry
Miauzi Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 Vor 1 Stunde sagte SamanthaTraynor: Es ist nur eine Frage, wenn ich mit dem Dark Girl Karten um den 1. Platz spiele, ist es fast zu einfach, Geld zu gewinnen, ich wollte ein paar Schulden machen, aber stattdessen habe ich Tausende von Gold gewonnen. Wäre schön, wenn das viel schwerer wäre. ? Danke when it comes to getting into debt - there is a very simple one -> the penalty account just cast a harmless spell on the guests - there's one from the SexLab family for increasing the arousal of a targeted NPC At the very beginning of my mod use (SL mechanics) I tried to make the NPC hotter - so that it works better for him with the orgasm my debts grew rapidly in the amount 1
VirginMarie Posted October 5, 2022 Author Posted October 5, 2022 3 hours ago, SamanthaTraynor said: It´s only a Question, when i play Cards by the 1st Spot with the Dark Girl, it´s almost too easy to Win Money, i wanted to make some Debts, but instead i won thousands of Gold. Would be nice, if this would be much harder. Thx ? Maybe instead of a 50/50 chance I can give better odds to the house . I'm not sure how its working now, will look into it eventually. My top 3 ways to get debt: Before working for the club, make innocent love with the slaves. Cost of this can be changed in MCM too If working for the club, you can lose lots of $$$ fighting in the arena, if you suck at fighting like me Pay ransom to free a girl (note: it's not the only way to free her though)
VirginMarie Posted October 5, 2022 Author Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Miauzi said: I beg your pardon it wasn't my intention to escalate things problems from my real life had unconsciously "crept" into the discussion that had no place there I am very sorry No need to apologize (but thanks for doing so anyhow )... I was hoping for the spanking
Talesien Posted October 5, 2022 Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, VirginMarie said: Maybe instead of a 50/50 chance I can give better odds to the house . I'm not sure how its working now, will look into it eventually. My top 3 ways to get debt: Before working for the club, make innocent love with the slaves. Cost of this can be changed in MCM too If working for the club, you can lose lots of $$$ fighting in the arena, if you suck at fighting like me Pay ransom to free a girl (note: it's not the only way to free her though) Well, the chances should be (slightly) in favor of the house, just don't go overboard. One of the problems of the Dark Arena mod is that it's games are so totally and obviously rigged against you, only a complete moron would ever play there, both from the role play perspective (really what NPC would not recognize if the odds are 8:2 against him) and from the actual players perspective. For a better example, playing Black Jack in a real world casino, you've around 42something percent chance at winning, around 8.5 % of a push and the remainder are house wins. (That assumes you've a solid strategy, if you just fumble around your chances are much worse.) Edited October 5, 2022 by Talesien 2
SamanthaTraynor Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 19 hours ago, Miauzi said: when it comes to getting into debt - there is a very simple one -> the penalty account just cast a harmless spell on the guests - there's one from the SexLab family for increasing the arousal of a targeted NPC At the very beginning of my mod use (SL mechanics) I tried to make the NPC hotter - so that it works better for him with the orgasm my debts grew rapidly in the amount Thaaanks, hehe you r German, right? Me too
Miauzi Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 Vor 30 Minuten sagte Samantha Traynor: Danke, hehe, du bist Deutscher, oder? Ich auch Jep - aber weil mein eigenes Englisch derart schlecht ist bin ich auf Übersetzungs-Tools angewiesen was die dann aber aus meinen texten machen - oh je darum hänge ich oft den deutschen Original-Text an
ldrifta Posted October 8, 2022 Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) Am I the only person who has an issue where the NPC's have no breast physics? I dont see anyone else complaining about it so I must be doing something wrong, for the most part everything else works fine so I have no complaints but it just kills it when girls are dancing but the boobs are solid.. there are no bodyslide files and not even replaceable meshes within the mod.. aside from this great work, I love the mod!! EDIT: even the mistress clothes have physics but the outfit just jiggles through the solid breasts lol a bit off putting haha Edited October 8, 2022 by ldrifta
VirginMarie Posted October 8, 2022 Author Posted October 8, 2022 48 minutes ago, ldrifta said: Am I the only person who has an issue where the NPC's have no breast physics? I dont see anyone else complaining about it so I must be doing something wrong, for the most part everything else works fine so I have no complaints but it just kills it when girls are dancing but the boobs are solid.. there are no bodyslide files and not even replaceable meshes within the mod.. aside from this great work, I love the mod!! EDIT: even the mistress clothes have physics but the outfit just jiggles through the solid breasts lol a bit off putting haha Dark Desires Club - NPCs have no physics I've not seen, or maybe noticed, the Mistress example you gave. 1
ldrifta Posted October 8, 2022 Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, VirginMarie said: Dark Desires Club - NPCs have no physics I've not seen, or maybe noticed, the Mistress example you gave. well this is unfortunate i'll still use the mod regardless haha but was hoping for some jiggle on the dancers.. I'm one of the few people out there who don't really prefer the HUGE boob presets so my girls are a lil slimmer in the chest, wish they would at least allow us to change the body styles during installation or something but thank you for clearing that up for me. I think the mistress issue i listed may have something to to do with the toys and love bodyslide files i installed, they are using my 3ba preset which i assume is why the outfits and nipple piercing seem to move around while the breasts remain stationary? who knows... but i don't think i had this problem until i included those files for toys and love. EDIT: just realized i was responding to the actual OP of the mod page lmao, so i guess when i said "wish they would at least allow us to change the body styles during installation or something" I was talking about you? hehe i know you kind of inherited this mod but i suppose that would be my 2 cents still love and appreciate the mod and the time you took to respond so thanks again! Edited October 8, 2022 by ldrifta
VirginMarie Posted October 8, 2022 Author Posted October 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, ldrifta said: well this is unfortunate i'll still use the mod regardless haha but was hoping for some jiggle on the dancers.. I'm one of the few people out there who don't really prefer the HUGE boob presets so my girls are a lil slimmer in the chest, wish they would at least allow us to change the body styles during installation or something but thank you for clearing that up for me. I think the mistress issue i listed may have something to to do with the toys and love bodyslide files i installed, they are using my 3ba preset which i assume is why the outfits and nipple piercing seem to move around while the breasts remain stationary? who knows... but i don't think i had this problem until i included those files for toys and love. EDIT: just realized i was responding to the actual OP of the mod page lmao, so i guess when i said "wish they would at least allow us to change the body styles during installation or something" I was talking about you? hehe i know you kind of inherited this mod but i suppose that would be my 2 cents still love and appreciate the mod and the time you took to respond so thanks again! I checked in game with the Mistress... Yes, I can recreate clothing jiggle out of sync with mistress breasts. But only after I turned on SMP, which of course, you would not do for this mod's NPCs. None of the NPCS in this mod use Toys&Love bodyslide files. They use their own fixed meshes that go with their own fixed bodies. which i assume is why the outfits and nipple piercing seem to move around while the breasts remain stationary? No. Only way you could see this is by turning SMP on. Fine to have it on for the player, but don't turn it on for the NPCs. my 2 cents You 2 cents are shared by others. I thought the same until I tried it. This explains why it must be... Dark Desires Club - NPCs have no physics So its not a matter of choice, it's a matter of working at all. The original author made a good compromise here.
ldrifta Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, VirginMarie said: I checked in game with the Mistress... Yes, I can recreate clothing jiggle out of sync with mistress breasts. But only after I turned on SMP, which of course, you would not do for this mod's NPCs. None of the NPCS in this mod use Toys&Love bodyslide files. They use their own fixed meshes that go with their own fixed bodies. which i assume is why the outfits and nipple piercing seem to move around while the breasts remain stationary? No. Only way you could see this is by turning SMP on. Fine to have it on for the player, but don't turn it on for the NPCs. my 2 cents You 2 cents are shared by others. I thought the same until I tried it. This explains why it must be... Dark Desires Club - NPCs have no physics So its not a matter of choice, it's a matter of working at all. The original author made a good compromise here. I completely agree it was a necessary compromise, out of curiosity, how does one turn off SMP for NPC's specifically to this mod? or is that just a general statement that if i want things to look right then keep it off altogether? In no way is this a complaint of any sort and i appreciate your responses to the fullest!! I'm a lil OCD when it comes to things sometimes but I too am willing to compromise when the juice is worth the squeeze.. (Not sure if I used that correctly in this case.. or did I...?) I enjoy the mod enough where I will use it regardless of misaligned nipple piercings or not haha but if I can get them to match up believe me ill try whatever you suggest Would it be possible to replace some of the prepacked bodies with ones more to my personal taste? or does this screw up basically everything from outfits to functionality as a whole? Edited October 9, 2022 by ldrifta
VirginMarie Posted October 9, 2022 Author Posted October 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, ldrifta said: how does one turn off SMP for NPC's specifically to this mod? or is that just a general statement that if i want things to look right then keep it off altogether? I don't use SMP. I don't know how you turn it on for all. I find it makes zero improvement, and in some cases makes things worse imo. Thus, I am very unfamiliar with using it and stick with defaults. I don't touch a thing, and all the DDC NPCs have no issues. Default install of CBBE 3ba = zero issues. When I tested for the Mistress earlier today, I used the 3ba (stuff you can see in CBBE 3ba's MCM) hotkey to turn SMP on for her, while targeting her. I found that the default settings will actually strip some other actors' harnesses (3ba SMP is using up a slot and causing the stripping), so I'm not even sure you have your SMP turned on in the first place... although you may not realize the difference, to realize they were stripped. @Everyone Maybe somebody else reading here can answer re. what's going on for your giggly bits. Then I could learn too 27 minutes ago, ldrifta said: Would it be possible to replace some of the prepacked bodies with ones more to my personal taste? or does this screw up basically everything from outfits to functionality as a whole? No ideas on how you could do that. This setup is very custom.
ldrifta Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, VirginMarie said: I don't use SMP. I don't know how you turn it on for all. I find it makes zero improvement, and in some cases makes things worse imo. Thus, I am very unfamiliar with using it and stick with defaults. I don't touch a thing, and all the DDC NPCs have no issues. Default install of CBBE 3ba = zero issues. When I tested for the Mistress earlier today, I used the 3ba (stuff you can see in CBBE 3ba's MCM) hotkey to turn SMP on for her, while targeting her. I found that the default settings will actually strip some other actors' harnesses (3ba SMP is using up a slot and causing the stripping), so I'm not even sure you have your SMP turned on in the first place... although you may not realize the difference, to realize they were stripped. @Everyone Maybe somebody else reading here can answer re. what's going on for your giggly bits. Then I could learn too No ideas on how you could do that. This setup is very custom. Sadly I didn't even know you could do that with the 3ba MCM menu haha, but I will say this, for scientific purposes only - I extracted the bsa file for DDC and then replaced the body meshes for dancergirls with my current meshes and though it did seem to work, it also looked very wrong due to none of the attire or accessories matching said body mesh LMAO, so that was a bust to say the least.. boobs were jiggling but none of the outfits matched up and i think i broke a few faces in the process haha If only i was smart enough to reference parts from say toys and love to work with the mod rather than having its own independent files than there would be hope for my dream.. haha
VirginMarie Posted October 12, 2022 Author Posted October 12, 2022 Dark Desires Club v2.03 Released What's New See... Change Log
Sinisterme614 Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Is there any possible way for you to implement Separate Orgasms again? Or a version that doesn't depend on Toys for progression. I found that the earlier editions like 1.1.7 and 1.2.0 beta were much more engaging and even challenging. Toys takes that away. Keep it around like it was in the earlier editions but making the scenes/progression dependent on Toys makes this mod no different than any other prostitution mod imo. It had a very unique approach. That or can you just reupload the older versions? Edited October 12, 2022 by Sinisterme614
VirginMarie Posted October 12, 2022 Author Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sinisterme614 said: Is there any possible way for you to implement Separate Orgasms again? Or a version that doesn't depend on Toys for progression. I found that the earlier editions like 1.1.7 and 1.2.0 beta were much more engaging and even challenging. Toys takes that away. Keep it around like it was in the earlier editions but making the scenes/progression dependent on Toys makes this mod no different than any other prostitution mod imo. It had a very unique approach. That or can you just reupload the older versions? If you want to help Step1, give it a fair shot Step2, use MCM settings to make it harder if you want it more challenging Step3, explain what it would need to be better, get specific. Very specific The most common request on this thread, to the original author, was to please get rid of SLSO. I got rid of it. I also got rid of legacy frameworks. Toys&Love has a built-in, similar to SLSO, but alternative, better mini-game, which can be disabled. It's not like we've lost the fucntionality, but you'd have to try it to judge. You'd have to embrace it, and get familiar with it first. Then your feedback will become valuable, but not if your goal is to go back. We are not going back. Edited October 12, 2022 by VirginMarie 1
daveedmee Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 Hey I could need some help here: When I want to work at the club, the first "quest" is to talk to the Mistress, then fulfill tasks for her. When I want to do my first task, it says I need to follow her and she walks between a X cross and some other thing. But after that the quest breaks. The quest doesn't update when I am next to her, I have no new talking options, and nothing else happens. Also when telling her that I want to get dressed, neither of the answer choices work (Chains, Rope, Leather). Just nothing happens. Armor/Clothes don't get equipped, devices don't get equipped, nothing. I double checked if I have all the dependencies installed and I can get and equip toys via AddItemMenu. I'm not sure whether is is an AE problem (from reading through some comments here people seems to get the mod to work just fine), or if having Devious Devices, DCL and all that installed too could be the problem. I'd really want to use both because some other mods depend on it. If any additional info is needed, just tell me how to get it and I will gladly provide. I am looking forward to play the mod. Also, as a suggestion, a Debug option in the Dark Desires Club MCM would be nice.
VirginMarie Posted October 12, 2022 Author Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, 0feed0me0 said: Hey I could need some help here: When I want to work at the club, the first "quest" is to talk to the Mistress, then fulfill tasks for her. When I want to do my first task, it says I need to follow her and she walks between a X cross and some other thing. But after that the quest breaks. The quest doesn't update when I am next to her, I have no new talking options, and nothing else happens. Also when telling her that I want to get dressed, neither of the answer choices work (Chains, Rope, Leather). Just nothing happens. Armor/Clothes don't get equipped, devices don't get equipped, nothing. I double checked if I have all the dependencies installed and I can get and equip toys via AddItemMenu. I'm not sure whether is is an AE problem (from reading through some comments here people seems to get the mod to work just fine), or if having Devious Devices, DCL and all that installed too could be the problem. I'd really want to use both because some other mods depend on it. If any additional info is needed, just tell me how to get it and I will gladly provide. I am looking forward to play the mod. Very likely an installation issue. This is copied from the main page. Can you answer yes to both? IMPORTANT: Once in game... If you can't answer YES to the following, there's an installation mistake... Do you see an MCM menu for Dark Desires & Toys&Love? A mod's MCM is not showing Run the Toys&Love - MCM - Setup tab - Installation Test. Does it pass? Steps to fix if the test in MCM failed If no, use the links. If yes... Need to see your Papyrus Log for a short game session where you a) Run the Toys&Love Installation Test b) Re-create some part of what you described. Please specify the problem you recreate associated with the log How to get a Papyrus Log? 24 minutes ago, 0feed0me0 said: Also, as a suggestion, a Debug option in the Dark Desires Club MCM would be nice. What would the debug option do? Toys&Love has in its MCM, debug tab, the Player Reset option. This is not likely going to help you here, If I'm right that you have an installation issue. Edited October 12, 2022 by VirginMarie
daveedmee Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 58 minutes ago, VirginMarie said: Very likely an installation issue. This is copied from the main page. Can you answer yes to both? IMPORTANT: Once in game... If you can't answer YES to the following, there's an installation mistake... Do you see an MCM menu for Dark Desires & Toys&Love? A mod's MCM is not showing Run the Toys&Love - MCM - Setup tab - Installation Test. Does it pass? Steps to fix if the test in MCM failed If no, use the links. If yes... Need to see your Papyrus Log for a short game session where you a) Run the Toys&Love Installation Test b) Re-create some part of what you described. Please specify the problem you recreate associated with the log How to get a Papyrus Log? What would the debug option do? Toys&Love has in its MCM, debug tab, the Player Reset option. This is not likely going to help you here, If I'm right that you have an installation issue. Never mind, the issue seems to have fixed itself. I didn't change my load order or added/removed any mods but now it seems to be working. My laptop seems to be a bit moody today, I forgive him. Thanks for the help anyways!
Sinisterme614 Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 Anywho, for people to complain about what made it different and actually challenging makes a lot of sense, especially now and days. And i was specific. There's just nothing else to mention. Separate orgasms made the mods approach different and unique as well as "challenging." Of which is something I seem to be on opposite spectrums about with those who complained. And i know, most don't even know how to install SLSO or even want a challenge, let alone use it properly and or have it in their load orders. Kinda like the Furniture Framework mod. Great mod if you know how to use it and or have lots to use it on. Another mod where in huge load orders when every ESP counts, that's one people tend to do away with. I get it. Less requirements is always better. Hence the great work you've already done. And trust, it's appreciated. Just not for me anymore. Toy's makes it way to easy and I'm the grind it out survivalist. I actually like it when things don't go my way at first and enjoy the cold winter winds of Skyrim. I'm the one percent. It's fine though and NOT a big deal. Especially after seeing some of the recent posts you have to deal with (good luck btw). And i had a friend send me the 1.2.0 beta. Still would be nice to see it available if possible. And I know, the site has limits on how big the files can be and 1.2.0 best is almost a gigabyte. But i can still dream. Also, I've been messing with the creation kit myself lately. So don't view this post in a bad light. This, this is encouragement. Kudo's for your efforts and again. Good luck!
Talesien Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Sinisterme614 said: And i was specific. There's just nothing else to mention. Separate orgasms made the mods approach different and unique as well as "challenging." Of which is something I seem to be on opposite spectrums about with those who complained. And i know, most don't even know how to install SLSO or even want a challenge, let alone use it properly and or have it in their load orders. As someone who has problems with SLSO, it is not that it made the DDC challenging (although some people complained about that as well, fair enough). The problem with SLSO is that it makes getting a working load order challenging and for me it does not add enough to be worth all the hassle it adds. By its very nature, SLSO fundamentally reworks some core aspects of Sexlab. As a result every mod that relies on certain functions from sexlab which SLSO reworks (for example checks for orgasms) needs to be patched in order to work with SLSO. Adding to that almost every update from SLSO seems to break those patches and for some older (abandoned) or less popular mods there simply are no patches. In theory SLSO adds some interesting functionality, but in practice it creates (too much of) a mess in the process. As said it's simply not worth it for me, so I won't install it, or any mod depending on it. YMMV. The original solution was to add an option that replaces SLSO with simple RNG. While that made it possible to use the DDC for people like me RNG is always a second class solution, especially given how bad the RNG generator in Skyrim appears to be.
VirginMarie Posted October 13, 2022 Author Posted October 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, Sinisterme614 said: Separate orgasms made the mods approach different and unique as well as "challenging." Toy's makes it way to easy and I'm the grind it out survivalist. Toys&Love's Mini-Game retains the mods approach 100%. It's improved upon it. And it most certainly lets you go hardcore for the grind it out survivalist. It's not like I could use SLSO. SLSO is made only for Sexlab. This mod does not use Sexlab. Instead, a new Mini-Game is built into Toys&Love. I believe you've not tried it enough to get familiar, otherwise you'd have something specific to say about Toys&Love Mini-Game features. Thus far you've given me zero feedback that I can use. I'm not expecting to get anything, but just in case you change your mind, read on. Here's how you make it more challenging in the T&L MCM... Oversexed Max - lower it. Now it will be harder to deny and caress Fondle/Caress Rousing Increase - Lowering it OR raising it significantly makes it harder. I will let you figure out why. I'd suggest start with just Oversexed Bet you have not tried these? I dare you to do so, then give me some real feedback! Here's the tips... How to Achieve Simultaneous Orgasm 1
VirginMarie Posted October 13, 2022 Author Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, 0feed0me0 said: Never mind, the issue seems to have fixed itself. Issues don't fix themselves. My prediction is that you will have more issues, unless this is a case where you've decided to try a new game or something along those lines. When install instructions say start a new game, do I really need to start a new game?
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